In defense of MCU Hulk

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[@Awesmic1]

This video was longer - way longer - than I anticipated. Had to take a break or two given personal circumstances. I can confidently say after watching this video that it will temper a lot of discourse regarding Hulk's character development, especially early on in the MCU. That connection you made between The Incredible Hulk (2008) and the rest of the non-Universal films even changed my perspective of that movie not being canon. I never looked at it from that angle before.

[@jacobyork7064]

I still prefer the old Norton version of Hulk. Yes, it is MCU cannon but I still think that it is the closest thing we have gotten to the comics. Well in terms of healing factors and the more pissed Hulk gets, the stronger he gets.

[@Lycandros]

I really enjoyed "Incredible Hulk". One of my more re-watched marvel movies.

[@ejmovement1613]

Also wanna point out. Yea a lot of people haven't seen Hulk in his most potential possibly in this Avengers Arc.......but Bruce Banner is one of the most influential characters in the MCU. In Avengers, he was sent to help with the Scepter because it emitted slight Gamma Radiation. In Age of Ultron, he and Stark wanted to help build what Stark said, "A suit of armor around the world" which then led to Ultron. Even so, also helped with creating Vision and making him sentient before Ultron was able to take that body to complete his mission. Now, while I didn't like what they did with Hulk in Infinity War, Bruce still contributed what he could by grabbing the Hulkbuster Armor that actually beat the Hulk in Age of Ultron to attempt to fight off Thanos' crew. And as AF pointed out, Bruce's decision in Endgame to take the Iron Gauntlet due to the Gamma Radiation in it to cause the Blip to bring half of the population back to life. And now in She Hulk, Bruce is now even a teacher for his Cousin for when she in need to fight a big threat as this Merged Professor Hulk. Say what you want, but the MCU def still made sure to enforce Bruce and his intellect to impact the world of the MCU in major ways and while I somewhat see why it's overlooked, it should be pointed out that many things about the MCU are influenced or impacted by Banner. Hulk simply wasn't as explored as much due to Universal's greed to not make more solo movies for the character and I think if we had that, Hulk would've had a bigger impact of the MCU as Banner has had.

[@sadchild9478]

So true! But people won’t accept this because they’re mad that he hasn’t been given more cool fight scenes. Most of these “hulk fans” are just kids wanting action. Although the real hulk fans have good arguments too.

[@pap64]

Hi, came here from the newest video you made and this video made me appreciate MCU's Hulk/Bruce a lot more, especially in Endgame. The way you explained why he needed to make the Snap happen now just makes sense and it creates a full circle moment; what seemed to have cursed him later becomes a blessing that saves everyone. Every OG Avenger in Endgame had a great character arc; Tony finally learned to gained selflessness and overcome his depression, Steve becomes worthy by not being an obedient soldier boy and sometimes going against what you believe in to achieve it, Thor overcomes his very deep trauma and depression having lost his brother, his home, his parents and half of his people and realizes that he is still worthy, Bruce found balance and did the snap, Black Widow finds peace in sacrificing herself for the well being of others after serving a life of constant death, Clint learned to regain his old life, Scott was more than a humorous cast...Seriously every character has an inspiring arc that everyone can gravitate towards to. Me? I see myself in both Thor and Cap; Thor reminded me of my own depression, letting myself go, feeling defeated and angry at the state of the world, but if I try to go out to the world and make a difference, I am still worthy, worthy of love, respect, acceptance and more. As for Cap, it's the belief that I can be a leader and a catalyst of change in a dark work, again making me worthy.

[@ActualFandom]

Really appreciate this comment

[@LeggendaryHobbyist]

Great vid! Honestly I never thought too much of the Hulk's character arc in MCU because it seems he was relegated as side support character. I thought the hour length was going to be too much, but I appreciate the in-depth look on the character as well always sunny clip. Also I thought the removal of the hulk get-up was a metaphor for humanizing the hulk though character arc lol. Overall, I'm grateful to eye opening video essay. Thank you

[@ActualFandom]

Um…yes! Removing the Hulk costume was meant to do that! 😬

[@DayneAW]

I love the depth you go into, and the fact that you address the trauma and mental illnesses that Banner deals with is crucial. Those claiming to be huge Hulk fans that are complaining about the MCU Hulk, or saying he's "weak" and "nerfed", don't want a "character arc" or even a coherent storyline that is about Banner, Hulk, and the other potential identities, their relationship, or how they fit in with others. They want a toddler-brained Hulk perpetually rampaging for no justifiable reasons whatsoever, purely because that's what Hulk is supposed to do and be. They want Smashy Smashy, and non stop destruction, in which Hulk gets more angry(not for any reason other than to be angry), and in turn gets super powerful to destroy more shit and beat up "villains". They don't give a fuck about Banner, and automatically conflate the two characters with each other.....like how they call him "Smart Hulk" or "Professor Hulk" despite IT NOT BEING HULK. They can possibly comprehend that there is a universe where Banner takes control of a Hulk body. We haven't seen Hulk since Infinity War, and Banner being in control of Hulk is a HUGE factor in all of this. I'm a Hulk fan. I like Smashy Smashy but I also like Banner and their relationship being addressed. The MCU set up Banner and Hulk for numerous potential storylines, and I can't wait to see when Hulk comes back, and how he's going to feel about being controlled. He will also have more access to Banner's intellect, as Hulk has been developing his cognitive ability over the multiple films. Chuds and incels want 2008 rampaging Hulk back, but ignore that he has a baby brain in it, And that's why it is that basal response of fight or flight. Hulk is confused and scared, doesn't want hurt people, but also doesn't understand his own existence....at that time. Ragnorak allowed two years of growth in cognitive ability where we see essentially an 8-10 year mind, carrying on a conversation with Thor. Then Hulk figured out he can decided to transform, with justifications for why he doesn't want to.... This progression in cognitive ability makes me think they may take a Maestro-like approach to Hulk's progression. He's going to come back, and much smarter than before, with all kinds of grief and rage over how he's been manipulated. We also need to dive into Banner's grief over Natalie.

[@Lycandros]

Marc and Steve helping Hulk and Banner in a couples counseling like session to stop Hulks rampage.

[@DayneAW]

@@Lycandros That would be cool to see. I feel like Marc and Hulk would get along. I envision Steven and Bruce sitting in silence until a topic comes up they both can't shut up about, or Banner gets annoyed by Steven. Then we get a montage of Banner in Hulk's body and Mr. Knight, with old vintage filter, doing investigative crime fighting. Actually, Banner learning how to access the mental construct, like Marc created with the hospital, would be helpful. Banner and Hulk can interact without affecting the outside world.

[@ActualFandom]

@@DayneAW Love all this

[@dgurlie-0273]

Hey, man. We do want a character arc for Hulk. We just want one that makes sense for his character and that doesn’t require us to wait for the directors to explain themselves in why they did what they did to said character. If fans are making up theories because something wasn’t explained well enough, then that story arc failed. We all know Hulk is more than just a rage machine. He has depth and that depth needs to be revealed in layers instead of simply telling us what happened. We need to see and experience it so we can get the satisfaction of the pay off. One of Hulk’s most famous stories is Planet Hulk and World War Hulk. In those stories, we see Hulk go through a lot, and he’s not a fit-throwing-toddler in those stories. He’s a man on a revenge mission. He wasn’t being a rage monster for no reason. In the MCU, as this guy stated in his chapter 4 section (or which ever one where he discusses Thor Ragnarok) he describes Hulk as an impulsive frat boy, and no, we never wanted or needed a butt shot of Hulk. He was praised for being destructive, but in Planet Hulk, he was praised for bringing order through his destruction. His spilled blood helped the planet heal and he used his intelligence to work through the system to become the rightful leader. See the difference? Hulk becoming an impulsive “rock star” doesn’t make sense for his arc. Becoming a respected leader of a kingdom, however, does. (Also, hearing this guy say “Devil’s Anus” is just embarrassing. There is no Devil’s Anus in the Planet Hulk story. That’s just for comedy and it’s stuff like that we hate.) Anyways, I recommend watching a TV show on Disney Plus called Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. That’s the Hulk we Hulk fans want. This guys explaining Hulk’s arc through the MCU is just validating my point. We shouldn’t need to struggle this hard to make sense of sloppy writing for this character. If all Hulk does is reek havoc and we need to read between the lines, then that just shows that it’s the writers and directors who thinks he’s a mindless brute.

[@DayneAW]

@@dgurlie-0273 "We shouldn't need to struggle this hard" To shove a "Hulk" that exists in YOUR mind as some imaginary "arc" that you literally cannot fit into the EXISTING UNIVERSE. "Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Thats the Hulk we Hulk fans want" I've watched it. Its a good series....for children who can't handle live action adaptations and want child like fairy tales with no realism. Right, exactly as stated. A cartoon version with no existing character arc that leads to him having the cognitive ability to speak and have his own personality. He just magically does already because it relies on assuming the same shit happened from the comics to him before that. 20 minute episodes of action and vague character building....that is never actually done because they are in their already established state. Stories that don't need expounded on because they're shoved into small snippets. All this says is that you don't want depth or have to use your brain at all. You want all your personal assumptions to be true then just enjoy the flashing lights and explosions. We get it. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to having a character exist within a story that has other characters. You want a "Planet Hulk" where he never actually develops cognitive ability but somehow becomes a "respectable King".....in a place where Thor exists and the Red King doesn't exist. He's relaying it through the context of the MCU because its the MCU....not your preferred comic series or cartoon you want to cherry pick. You gave this big shpeel about how he's not a raging toddler brain, while giving absolutely nothing for how he can be no longer a raging toddler brain. Your example is a cartoon that NEVER ADDRESSES HOW HE'S NO LONGER A RAGING TODDLER BRAIN and Planet Hulk, which has a very long story behind it for how Hulk got there in the first place. But please, expound on how this imaginary version of "Hulk" that you alleged true "Hulk fans" want fits into the existing MCU universe Earth 199999? Break it down for us from the beginning, given the characters that exist around him and the events that have happened....not your cherry picked preferred version of "Hulk" that you pieced together in your head. You don't get to pretend that the complaints are that he's not intelligent. Thats complete nonsense. You wouldn't be spewing this if you were actually concerned with having an intelligent Hulk who becomes a respectable King and has children on Sakaar. By the way, this whole "rock star" shpeel applies to his Planet Hulk storyline at the beginning when he first started battling in the arena. The Grand Master is not the Red King. The dynamics are going to be different, so you need to be able to explain how you would shove the Planet Hulk storyline into a universe with different characters and power dynamics. Otherwise, this is just petty whining about the character arc for a character inside an existing universe that isn't the universe you want it to be. Another question about the Planet Hulk storyline..... How long was Hulk on Sakaar? ...or do you care how that plays into it? When you say "struggle", do you mean having to think at all?

[@JinxeBlaq]

In the wake of all the hulk hate, it’s honestly refreshing to see someone actually talk about the, in all honestly, well detailed depth they gave hulk in his moments during the avengers films and his own first MCU film. People seem to have forgotten it all, they’ve forced the hulk into a box of “Savage Monster Force Of Nature” who was demasculated, or de powered. And if they don’t beleive that, they beleive he never had depth at all, he was always a poor character. It’s good to know people remember more.. They remember the development. But sadly, I’m not sure if anyone will ever care again. Seeing all the recent hulk hate videos are being swarmed with likes and views.. Surface level critiques about how he’s no longer cool. Sad.

[@thatjackass1403]

Us Hulk fans just want to see Hulk become the force of nature he has always been in the comics and other media,showcasing incredible feats of strength and power. The mcu barely showed that (not including 2008). Which is why the Mcu left us dissatisfied with the hulk We barely see the Hulk being the Hulk. Only in Avengers 1, we see a portion of what he can do, and that's sadly what we will probably ever see. as for the Bruce Banner character moments the Banner parts never piqued my interest in the Mcu, primarily because Mark Ruffalo doesn't portray the struggling down on his luck Bruce iv'e come to know well, In the movies i've seen i was never convinced that the Hulk was a curse or that Bruce was struggling or in distress. Not to mention, he is treated like a joke in the mcu. The video was well made and I agreed with some of your points, but the MCU Hulk barely taps into his potential as a character and superhero.

[@ActualFandom]

You should read more comics. He's taken many forms, and not all are "force of nature". Seriously, I suggest you read more comics and stop spouting opinions that any comics-reader can spot as nonsense. It's a bad look for you.

[@osarumenerhunmwunsee]

Go read comics bro. Read immortal hulk. It will break down what the hulk is.

[@rileysgaming6860]

My reasoning behind not liking MCU hulk is his development is inconsistent and not shown hulk is a big character who got the side character treatment his development in endgame is a monologue and not shown that's the problem his arc is not executed properly

[@marshalhammel5065]

The thing with Thor Ragnarock is that Chris Hemsworth, Mark Ruffalo, and Taiko Waititi have admitted in interviews that they chose to break continuity and do some of their own retconning of what was established. They even improvised may of the scenes and character interactions.

[@knackyknack]

The bravery you showed at the end of this video is at a level I hope to achieve one day

[@ActualFandom]

I promise you that if I can get to that point, you can too.

[@Deemo202]

*Cap driving away after stealing a car* *fixes mirror* “I can do this all day”

[@MrMDrewery]

I always liked that the two snaps that brought back the universal population, along with ending the final battle, were carried out by Bruce and Tony. The two characters that kicked off the MCU.

[@ActualFandom]

Didn’t even think of that that way!

[@leoniciolopezgomez7731]

Yo ....Hulk was crippled & cried like a baby while snapping...meanwhile literally every other gauntlet user took it like a champ. MCU Hulk is a joke...the gauntlet oozes gamma, it should have powered him up ofd anything else.

[@MrMDrewery]

Dude, what are you even talking about? Thanos also the lost use of his arm after snapping, and Tony Stark flat-out died. Besides, we all know that MCU Hulk is nerfed down A LOT, compared to his comics counterpart (even if the comics version got injured, his healing factor probably would've patched him back up, almost immediately) but that's not the point I was making. I'm just saying that it seemed like a nice touch, to utilize him, in the end, to call back his role as a founding character of the MCU.

[@leoniciolopezgomez7731]

@@MrMDrewery apparently according to she hulk, a car crash harms The Hulk, keep defending car level MCU Hulk.

[@GT_rising24]

I love how the thunder storm is a reference to Hulk fighting Thor

[@QuestingRefuge]

I think this has to be your new best video. Or at least my new favorite. There's a lot that are just so well done, but I love these deep dive essays and feel like you brought everything to the next level with this one. Also... It's Always Sunny video when? 👀

[@ActualFandom]

A Sunny video has been brewing in my brain lately lol

[@leoniciolopezgomez7731]

Lmao so let's sum it up. The movies literally don't show any of this "personal growth." We as a fanthom have to look at director interviews, deleted scenes, & psychological studies to understand the greatness of the russo brothers(not hulk). Not at the actual movies he is actually in.

[@ActualFandom]

It’s ok if YOU can’t comprehend subtext dude. But I’d recommend trying.

[@David_Scar]

@@ActualFandom No Subtext here bruv Leo is speaking facts..

[@leoniciolopezgomez7731]

@@David_Scardeflection is the way of the MCU shills. Hulk is almost as big as Spider-Man, but these people are doing too much to keep us ignant.

[@fullmetal2455]

@@leoniciolopezgomez7731 so a piece of media literally has to state its meta textual themes and development of character through multiple ensemble films to be good writing 💀. You my friend are cooked

[@leoniciolopezgomez7731]

@@fullmetal2455 Problem is, none of that happened. I dare you to give me any examples of that.

[@spookyartist1166]

As much as would have loved to see more of hulk in endgame it was good that they went with the professor hulk route, it felt like natural progression to his character

[@ActualFandom]

My feelings exactly! Bruce/Hulk are more than just physically strong. That's not a character trait, at least not a very compelling one.

[@spookyartist1166]

Agree and as a hulk fan it was great to see Bruce sort of find peace where he can be treated like a hero rather then a threat

[@osarumenerhunmwunsee]

Thor didn’t give him a run for his money. Hulk was owning his ass though. Rag dolling him. Lol

[@ActualFandom]

Do you mean before or after Thor knocked Hulk across the helicarrier tarmac? I can’t watch the movie for you, dude. You have to pay attention to know what happens.

[@TheHorrorGuru]

This perfectly sums up why I love MCU Hulk and his journey through the MCU. Thank you for this.

[@stevenman013]

This was brilliant mate. I've sent it to all my MCU loving pals, and the Sunny loving ones too. I look forward to more.

[@CarlosHernandez-xo7js]

I wish we could get another Hulk movie and now we will get to see more of him in she hulk and the problems he has dealing with his power that is more a curse than anything else

[@David_Scar]

I'm sorry but i highly disagree. Mcu absolutely failed the Hulk both powerwise and character wise. Character wise: His so called "arcs" are done off screen,his arcs are either ignored or mashed up.. Mcu took one of Hulk's greatest arc(Planet Hulk) and turned it into a Thor sitcom. They took his Warbounds(Korg and meik) and made them associated with Thor instead of the Hulk. Right from Avengers(2012) to Endgame his arcs have been off screen. Sure him not having another solo film to further his arcs affected the character but the Mcu itself was still responsible for the character,Universal didn't put a Gun to Mcu's head,Mcu could have still done a decent job with him but nope they dropped the ball big time. So this excuse of "Oh it's due to Universal" is simply lazy,Mcu simply failed him. Mcu tried to bring in Peter David's Prof.Hulk but all we had was a big green joke,Prof.Hulk from the comics is a mixture of both the Banner persona and the Hulk persona but all we had in Endgame was not that,what we had in Endgame was simply Banner nothing more. Was the snap supposed to be his big pay off?? Too late and too small. He had Zero Proper Action in Endgame,the freaking Hulk had zero proper action. Powerwise: Ever since Ruffalo took over(Avengers 2012),Hulk's core powers have been ignored.. We don't see him get stronger the madder he gets,we don't see him heal on screen we don't see him do things that makes him the freaking Hulk... That would be like Dceu forgetting Superman could fly or Mcu forgetting Thor could summon lightning. His powers have literally been ignored since the very beginning. He's used as a worf effect character,he's used to show how powerful other characters are.. he's virtually lost every fight he's been in and the one's he didn't lose he only won due to the circumstance. I'm sorry but mcu utterly failed the Hulk both powerwise and character wise,he's been turned into an absolute joke. And this isn't about not seeing Savage Hulk(Hulk afterall has various personas,and we've had Savage Hulk for a while Yet mcu did nothing substantial with him) no it's about mcu doing a horrible job with the character..

[@ActualFandom]

Bro use some punctuation if you want me to read all that

[@David_Scar]

@@ActualFandom Yeah i can see you don't have a solid counter point,just as i said Mcu failed the Hulk big time. Your video was a waste and absolutely invalid.

[@thenightmonkey5932]

@@David_Scar no his video was actually insightful I can't say anything about your comment it seems like all you idiots who say Hulk was ruined only care about how hard a character can punch

[@RockTriller]

@@David_Scar my nigga speaking the truth

[@RockTriller]

@@David_Scar all these ppl in the comments are straight CLOWNS

[@moro3475]

Compare to comics, Hulk is weak (even more weak that other characters) and every Hulk fan don't like this because MCU make from Hulk big green punchbag(this big bag whose boxers hit, idk did it is correct word) Second thing is that MCU pg's is 13 And Hulk should have same PG like Wolverine (Logan) or Deadpool if not his character is lame, there is loot of history to ad to movie but because Disney want family friendly Hulk... They will not show as thing like Bruce father, Hulks fight with army, death of saakar/his wife ...

[@moro3475]

Hulk from 2008 was better than 2012-now Thing that Hulk fans hate: 1. Small amount of hulk-bruce relation 2. We don't know did Hulk (2012-now) have his nr1 power - his strength whose increase with anger - we seen only this in incredible hulk when Hulk was got stronger to save bety from helicopter explosion 3. There was lot of fight stark-hulk but hulkbuster never beat the Hulk, there is even comic in whose Hulk said that stark never will build hulkbuster enaughe strong to beat a Hulk, so what MCU do? First version of Hulkbuster beat his ass 4. They ruined relation between hulk-bety. 5. They ruined chance for "planet Hulk" Mieak and Korg are on earth and know him And Hulk was on saakar 6. They make Hulk punchbag for thanos to show how powerfull he is Same with Thor in Thor Ragnarok (in comic he win with silver surfer, in animation he win with beta ray bill, in MCU Hulk win because grandmaster cheat) 7. They don't say why Hulk don't want change and take control above body, so everybody think that Hulk was scared of him 8. Profesor Hulk, for me he was good. only why I think people don't like his, could be that he isn't savage Hulk So Hulk from incredible hulk to avengers 2 was great, without scene with hulkbuster, and romance with Natasha was great- romance was not so great because they don't say what happend with bety

[@moro3475]

Btw sorry for language, in my country we use other language

[@scottdrotos8525]

As a huge fan of the hulk, I love the points you make about this video. It brings a whole new light to both Bruce and the hulk. It is not like the comics, but it fits with the mcu narrative. I always felt like Bruce along with spider-man Ironman and cap were always the most interesting characters throughout the infinity saga. Although I wish they showed more of his development, I still believe it’s important growth for Bruce. There is still lots to tell especially about the hulk himself, and if the world war hulk project is true, it may be the definitive hulk experience and up there with no way home.

[@Auckdarren]

GREAT VIDEO! I applaud you for covering Bruce's journey mixed with real knowledge about trauma and mindfulness.

[@IanJAGreen]

Damn man. This is the best video you’ve done. I’ve laughed, I’ve cried, I am always looking forward to were the channel is going 💚💚💚

[@ActualFandom]

Much appreciated!

[@anthonyking6037]

Love you guys

[@ActualFandom]

All of us here at AF Industries love you too

[@electricfire621]

The Incredible Hulk is so underrated.

[@Furore2323]

Thank you. I hope we all can make it.

[@rzerox21xx]

Great job man enjoyed video

[@haroldhernandez1560]

This is great stuff. I really appreciate the last part in the end. Thank you for sharing your story. We live in a very reactionary culture. We live in a fucked up society, and we dont really know how to cope with it. We've had for years. It's much harder to stop and take a look at ourselves, And see things differently. You earned a subscriber in me. "Angry at dumb shit" That pretty much sums it up.

[@ActualFandom]

Thank you! Happy to have you around

[@MykiiMescal]

only about 25 minutes in and this video has given then argument that i’ve ben yelling about for years also weed lol

[@ActualFandom]

Weed!

[@Rosarosa106]

I really enjoyed it!! Can’t wait for the next ep

[@ejmovement1613]

Love your points in this video. I respect it a lot. Hoping the best for the direction of Bruce in She Hulk.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

I feel like, depending on what happens with She-Hulk and the rights to the Hulk next year, the next stage for Hulk is to adapt Dogs of War; revealing Professor Hulk as another, separste personality, introduce other personalities such as Joe Fixit, or Meastro Hulk, bring back Doc Samson or even the Leader; and then use that to set up World War Hulk. Well, maybe not best. It certainly wouldn't be happy. But it would be the most interesting.

[@jaloniwilson]

Thank you for sharing your story! Great video.

[@torritaite2880]

My favorite superhero for all these reasons!

[@joec7217]

100% my thoughts. Thank you for this!

[@coryhartshorn5941]

Dude, seriously thank you for sharing your personal experience. It truly matters in the hearts of those whom are going threw their own shit. It's funny that fantasy entertainment can and does relate to real world issues that can help us with our own issues. Thank you.

[@John93965]

Hulk and Natasha’s relationship deserved better.

[@madeline-7748]

Thank you for this wonderful video.

[@ActualFandom]

Thanks for watching!

[@robertkillingsworth7149]

I wish they would have showed a glimpse of the Hulk's vision in Africa. It would have been nice to fully confirm whatever past traumas Bruce has had.

[@isaiahkayode6526]

I wish they make a New Hulk Game like Ultimate destruction he has a very great story and good Rogues Gallery same goes for Thor in the future.

[@comedianww]

Pranayama is a trip. If you want to try it out, you might freak out, so be prepared.

[@davyfromthenavy4248]

This is a great video.a lot of very well thought out and well made points. I still don't really agree that the Hulk's arc was great, it most certainly wasn't the best in the MCU, but your video helped me think about it a little more. It put in words a lot of what I did like about how Hulk was used in the later films, and helped me see a lot of the good things about how he was adapted for them. However, I still believe that overall Hulk was used poorly and that a lot of things done in Ragnarok and the films after are more damaging to Hulk's character/journey than the things they got right. The fact that Bruce's journey from Infinity War to Professor Hulk in Endgame goes entirely unexplored sucks, it makes his newfound unity in that movie feel too sudden and unearned. In Ragnarok both Banner and Hulk are treated as a joke, there is no serious depth to anything in that movie. I fully and wholeheartedly agree with everything you say up to the point where you get to Thor Ragnarok, I still firmly believe that is where the Hulk goes downhill. You make a lot of great points, and I think if the arc you describe had been more fleshed out, given actual time and attention rather than barely existing even subtextually in the later films, I would have been very happy with how they handled Hulk. But instead he was underdeveloped, underutilized, ideas for him shelved to give more time to other characters, and at several points treated as little better than a joke. I'm not 1 of those people who think he was 'demasculated' or that wish they'd done Worldbreaker Hulk (would've been cooler than what we got, but would also be damaging and ill fitting to Banner's arc), I appreciate a lot of what they did withy favourite Avenger, I just think they missed the mark in a lot of ways and could have done much better.

[@marcstone6114]

@Actual Fandom- great video. I actually like Ed Norton as Bruce Banner more so than Mark Ruffalo, not taking away from Ruffalo's performance. I think Ed Norton really nailed BB character. And I think The Incredible Hulk is a good film, but if I were to have one criticism, is the look of the Hulk. I think the Avengers film totally nailed the Hulk's appearance- That Hulk vs Thor fight was epic- straight from the comics. It's a shame that Ed Norton had creative differences with Marvel or whatever the issue was. And I actually enjoyed And Lee's Hulk, I didn't mind the psychological theme of thfilm. I just wish it had more action. Anyway, I enjoyed the video.

[@ChampxCheeze]

Great vid, especially speaking to the mental health and trauma(I deal with some of that). As a major hulk fan (he is either 1A or 1B) I love the relationship between banner and hulk good and the bad. But I will say I’m not a fan of this arc he feels weak and like comic relief even in the comics I skip prof hulk and Joe fixit because I love the rage, power, destruction and insane battles. I really hope when Disney gets the distribution rights next year they give us a World Breaker Hulk in another universe🤞.

[@skeecats]

What! The misses opportunities the offscreen development. Lots of stuff happened with Hulk that we didn't even see. Disney did Hulk horribly and now he is being replaced. Nooo fam I can't agree with your take. Booo to Disney.

[@JR-mr4gi]

good shit bro

[@raphaelmarquez9650]

Wish I could share this video to someone I use to be friends with until he kicked me off of his podcast series and discord server after an argument we've had. He really wasn't a fan of MCU Hulk because of how nerfed he was compared to his comic counterpart.

[@ActualFandom]

I don't see how he was nerfed unless comparing him to Worldbreaker Hulk

[@raphaelmarquez9650]

@@ActualFandom If I remember correctly, it's because he didn't like how he doesn't get stronger the angrier he gets (he's a huge Hulk fan).

[@ActualFandom]

@@raphaelmarquez9650 That’s not always been the case though. Different writers and different eras have caused there to be a lot of versions of Hulk and his powers.

[@lillies2301]

Great video man, I feel like everyone now thinks that the hulk character has regressed in the mcu all because the mcu has nerfed the hulk and demands to see the savage hulk return while in my opinion I like the balance of bruce banner and the hulk and their conflicting relationship. I hope the mcu explores more of banner and the hulk's more personal life which Mark Ruffalo has teased for the hulk's future and will give the character more dimensions and depth.

[@chalkymalky]

why do you look like morbius (complimentary)

[@ActualFandom]

Bc I be morbin nonstop all day and night

[@MyNamesComics]

Gotta throw this all away since episode 2 debunked almost all your points of shii not being canon LMAO

[@angrygorilla2212]

he is an inconsistent character that's all

[@ak0097]

Sorry but 2003 hulk is best hulk

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

This was a great video! Awesome job

[@ActualFandom]

Thanks!