In Defense of MIKEVICTIM: A FNAF Theory Retrospective

Some theories are ahead of their time... this one was behind its time.

[@nationalpv]

For me, MikeVictim isn’t even that bad. It could’ve worked back then. However, around fnaf 6 and beyond, MikeVictim feels way less satisfying than MikeBro. I feel like Michael would be way more interesting if he killed his brother, and tried to fix his mistake after it. And then it all ends in fnaf 6. I just love that story and arc of him. Its also funny how the theory mostly spurred from a misinterpretation of the logbook. And yes I agree. MikeBot never made sense and I don’t know why it even came to be in the first place

[@zeleeba8774]

It is very strange to tie the film to MikeBully when there is no Afton family at all, there are Schmidts and they have a different story.

[@Sonicmid]

Well there is Vanessa and William

[@Fucking_retard_Snowdrake]

@@Sonicmid Vanessa isn't even an Afton in games

[@Moon-64]

Yk as someone who's honestly a huge fan of Mikevictim when it was popular, I appreciate something giving light to this theory as well as come to its defense even if it's heavily debunked at this point, I see this theory gets heavily criticized, bashed on and even called just"as dumb as Miketrap" which sucks cuz I think this theory is exactly interesting and I literally don't understand all the hatred it gets. (Especially with all the talk of robot children being a part of the recent FNAF lore it feels like this theory isn't as far fetched as people point it out to be

[@chaoticsilver8442]

Actually, as for Michael not being afraid, being apathetic, etc. at sister location. Were we to entertain Mikevictim as a theory... Remember MatPat's Fnaf4 Theory? About how it'd be impossible to have nightmares after missing your frontal lobe? Scott %100 watches, or at least, has watched, Game Theory's fnaf videos. So it's very possible he had that in mind while writing the story going forward. Meaning, were he to have intended Micheal to have been the bite victim, and had that theory in mind... Mike wouldn't need to have been a robot at all, or anything like that, to ultimately come off as apathetic and lacking in the fear, or the self preservation instinct, he once held. The bite itself has done that for him.

[@zeleeba8774]

You completely forgot about motivation in MikeVictim. CC saw MCI (MCI83 confirms the location of the graves in HW2). In Fnaf 4, Plushbear tells CC that someone from the safe room can catch him like THAT TIME. Considering that Cassidy clearly knows CC and was his friend (Logbook), CC feels guilty for not telling anyone that they were kidnapped. Therefore, the grown-up CC goes to Fnaf 1 pizzeria to free the souls of his friends. With MikeBully, Mike has no motivation to save the souls of people he doesn't know, only to free his sister's soul. SL happens after Fnaf 1. What was Mike doing at Fnaf 1 Pizzeria?

[@SCP-469]

Yeahhhhh there’s a fair amount of explanations for the graves without 83

[@Fucking_retard_Snowdrake]

@@SCP-469 And all these explanations don't make any sense

[@Fucking_retard_Snowdrake]

​@@SCP-469And all these explanations don't make any sense

[@Fucking_retard_Snowdrake]

@@SCP-469 MCI83 is the most likely explanation for these graves

[@Fucking_retard_Snowdrake]

@@SCP-469 MCI83 is the most likely explanation for these graves

[@AngelofGrace96]

I'd actually never heard of Mikevictim, but you explained this in a really good way!

[@dwfan91-]

Absolutely brilliant video! Keep it up!

[@thefnafstory]

Good video,well anyways there is one evidence in security breach that Michael is the younger brother,you entered the gate where you first encountered Monty. Yep the same one that he exit out from and you go down that path and what do you find you find a wall that happens to have a room behind it and that room is the sister location room where we go after the May nights,you find a duffel bag message that says I found the key and right by the staircase, where the trash bags are is a decapitated staffbot right outside of Michael’s room. Because of that, I still latch onto it. also if you look at the freddy files with the Page on sister location where it says “the older son, Michael, Afton, a.k.a. you” it did seem on the surface that Michael Afton is the foxy mask brother but if you read it for yourself, you can see that it doesn’t mention that anywhere, but instead it talks about on how Michael is the sister location player,and it’s in the theories and lores session and Michael Afton, being the older brother was a theory when SL custom night released. The five nights at Freddy’s film did had Mike as an older sibling,but it has some connections to the silver eyes in some way. (William going under a fake name,Abby hiding behind the arcade machine while Foxy is looking for her just like what Charlie did in the first book,a sibling getting kidnapped with the other trying to look for them,William getting springlock matches more with the novels. The fun poster in the Easter egg screenshot where lefty is has four characters that represents the Afton family, but many people have pointed out that the brown bear with sharp teeth and claws represents the BiteVictim because of the party hat,but it could also represent molten Freddy because 1 it’s a bear 2 it’s wearing a party hat and molten Freddy‘s first line when we successfully salvage him was “thanks for letting me join the party I will try not to disappoint” and 3 the bear is wearing some sort of leash that the clown is holding and it is a call back to when’s circus baby took over Ennard around that time.The leash symbolizes as control. The dummy represents Michael when William was giving Michael instructions and he listen to them up until after the events of sister location,and after he vomited out Ennard, but it could also represent on how the BiteVictim has connections to the puppet (having a striped shirt,him kneeling down in the end of the final cut seen just like what the puppet did in mangle’s quest,both were security,both were friends with the MCI and lastly in FNaF 4 in the Sixth mini game the BiteVictim is in the puppet’s spot we’re happiest day is a mirror of the FNAF 4 minigame FredBear’s.

[@dannylopez5976]

Didn't Mattpat push for MikeVictim early on?

[@alenaswoodlands]

He was the first mainstream theorist to push for it, but it was around as a niche thing for a while before that.

[@morgann2938]

This is a great video. It made me wonder if the games being released so close to each other contributed to why theories that challenged previously held assumptions were so quickly choked out. Fans barely had time to chew on all the new information before the next game came out.

[@chaoticsilver8442]

Honestly, thinking about it. With 'He's too apathetic/unafraid to be the crying child' put aside because of this... Is there anything else in Sister Location that specifically said Micheal can't have been the Crying Child. I mean, sure, there's him being 'unnecessarily punished' that you've also brought up in the video, what with being scooped and everything. But the only inconsistency with that is thematic/narrative. There is no law of reality that says that people can't receive harm they don't deserve, it's just more narratively satisfying if characters in some way 'deserve' the punishments they are receiving. So that pushes us back to... what? Pizza Sim? Is there anything in Pizza Sim that says Micheal couldn't have been the crying child? Actually. Now that I'm really thinking about it. I know Mikevictim is distinctly non-canon and wrong and all of that, and I'm not saying it has any weight, especially since Scott typically does his best to clarify misunderstandings in further games (like settling the bite of '83-'87 debate from 4 with a keypad in sister location), and if Mikevictim was canon, he'd definitely have done something to clarify that in a further game. So I don't seriously believe Mikevictim is at all possible, but... I'm interested in a look through the timeline of what if Mikevictim was canon. Just purely for the sake of entertaining the, albeit impossible, hypothetical. I mean, again, if there's technically nothing in Sister Location that says that the Crying Child couldn't have been Mike~ What people believed to be evidence against it there, being things like the lack of fear and self preservation uncharacteristic of the Crying child, not really being proof that it couldn't be the Crying child, and even proof that the aforementioned lack of fear and self preservation is, at least a non-issue, and at most, evidence specifically for the case that it is the crying child, simply by the existence of the Fnaf 4 Game Theory video, and the fact that Scott watched Game Theory's videos all the time, especially back then... Then is there really anything that completely disproves the possibility? I suppose the biggest thing is it would make it really tough for Crying Mike to be the FNAF 3 nightguard, timeline wise. As the crying child would have to be more like 14 in 1983, to be 18 in 1987 to get the security job. Though I honestly don't see this as impossible... I mean, just on a scale of 'he's too young to possibly be an early teenager'. Late bloomers do exist, and there are definitely, say, 14 year olds who would get bullied by a, say, 18 year old older brother. It's not impossible, just doesn't feel as natural for the dynamic he has, for the Crying Child to be a.. well... Crying Teenager. And that aside, maybe Jeremy Fitzgerald (the fnaf 2 guard)... Just wouldn't be The Crying Child. Hell, Maybe he'd be Foxy Bro in this case instead. His first job, turning out to be as a security guard at Freddy Fazbear's. Hell, I can even see how a sort of Narrative for that kind of thing would work. Perhaps feeling guilt for what he's done to his younger brother a few years before, Foxybro would apply to become a security guard for Freddy Fazbear's Pizza. Both out of guilt and atonement, wanting to prevent what he's done from ever happening again, as well as some passion for the company, still loving the characters. Perhaps he's the victim of the bite of 87. And from there. Crying Michael grows up, emotions of fear, and his self-preservation instinct, numbed from the bite. But... One emotion hasn't been erased from him from the accident. Curiosity. Both him, and his older brother, suffered major injuries from Fazbear Entertainment's animatronics. And more than that, there's been reports of children going missing around the pizzeria. Were the animatronics cursed? Was it fate? He didn't know, but, he wasn't scared of them. Not anymore. It was physically impossible for him to be. But he was oh-so curious. So, when a new Freddy's pizzeria in an older style opened up, he applied for a job. Lacking shame or any real impulse control (Again, I'd recommend you re-watch the game theory and how they say missing a frontal lobe effects a person.), he didn't really hesitate to mess around with the animatronics. Which, combined with a stench he carried on him~ Either from the stench of the rotting suits, and perhaps the corpses within, rubbing off on him... Or simply just a lack of proper showering, again due to a physical lack of the part of the brain that could make him feel any shame ~is what caused him to be fired. Now, that still leaves to question who Fritz Smith is... But if this theory were, hypothetically, to be entertained... This gives a name to both the Crying Child, and Foxy bro. Micheal, and Jeremy. Now this doesn't explain why they have separate last names. Perhaps 'Jeremy' changed his name, to get away from his past- at least a little bit. After all, were an employer to look up his real name, the first thing to come up being a newspaper headline of 'Teenager Severely Injures Younger Brother in Bullying Incident at Local Pizzeria' would not be the best look. But still, it's not at all perfect, nor is it correct- Again, even just from a meta perspective, Scott would've found some way to clear it up in a future game had we actually got it wrong. But... Is there really any hard evidence against Mikevictim? I'm genuinely curious to have this really looked over, if only as a thought experiment.

[@lermuer7105]

good vid!

[@greyideasthetheliopurodon4640]

Did anyone notice how the older brothers text color is similar to the box text color?

[@WhiteGW-fq8pn]

It truly is MikeVictimover ☠️

[@elliotsturtplus340]

To be fair I didn’t like the idea of Mike Victim mainly because of how people did it and how it was set up Mainly because the main character just becomes a robot version of themselves which isn’t the same character at that point which I’m not a fan of honestly for a few reasons first off if William made or was capable of making robot adult versions of his kids why did he stop at one and secondly how come the robot version of Mikevic became a rotten purple corpse and thirdly who’s the older brother then? Like there’s so many unanswered questions like maybe if the bite of 83 was actually 87 then I could probably see a possibility of Mikevic being someone who survived and tragic accident but that can’t happen cus Scott changed it Now I wish there was a game continuity or new book series were Mikevictim was canon

[@zeleeba8774]

MikeVictim ≠ MikeBot. In MikeVictim, Mike was reanimated by Plushbear.

[@_MaryamTheSnek_]

Actually I have to say that the nightmare are not Mikevictim faceing his fears, it's William making the nightmares using sound illusion disks to keep him away from the pizzeria so he wouldn't face the same thing that happened to his sister Elizabeth, which is why the nightmares have stomach mouths.

[@jmaucro_456-0]

Is fake.

[@_MaryamTheSnek_]

@@jmaucro_456-0 no its not. The Nightmares say "this time there is more than an illusion to fear" and "I am remade but not by you, by the one you should not have killed" meaning that the Nightmares were illusions and created by William to scare Mikevictim away from the Pizzaria

[@tg0r]

love this vid but why does your voice sound that way? not hating !

[@alenaswoodlands]

Sound what way?

[@tg0r]

@@alenaswoodlands it slightly sounds like your talking through a fan, again not hating !

[@alenaswoodlands]

@@tg0r Oh, right. That's because I slightly pitch my voice up in videos, because listening to it at its real pitch pains me. It's a necessary sacrifice imo.

[@tg0r]

@@alenaswoodlands ohhhhh okay!! i was just wondering, it adds character !

[@Fracc6578]

imo,If Scott wanted to make crying child-Michael ,then why bother adding his older brother which Scott wanted to show us that,HE had a big impact in the story.Doesnt make sense for Scott to add a character and then forget about his existence.

[@Fracc6578]

Talbert Files confirmed Scott's mind about Michael identity back in 2016-2017 💀 heck maybe even 2015 cuz fnaf4 points lot of stuff that implies Michael it's foxybro.

[@calamitygodsend2173]

It was confirmed to be fake

[@zeleeba8774]

Scott said it was fake

[@CloudMouth27]

the talbert files is fake

[@MagnusMorris-wp4it]

I can tell you are using a AI voice.

[@alenaswoodlands]

I'm not. It's my voice but slightly pitched up.

[@Unknowncameraman15]

Nope still the one of worst fnaf theory I ever heard

[@dannylopez5976]

What makes it bad? I prefer Mike being the older brother but, other then timing and the fact it would've kicked off FNAF'S weird Sci-Fi stuff early, what makes it bad?

[@Unknowncameraman15]

@@dannylopez5976 just me

[@BlackRifleCrono]

I'd say dream theory is worse, just maybe not too bad at the time, but definitely was pretty bad in retrospect with new knowledge

[@Unknowncameraman15]

@@BlackRifleCrono I agree

[@chaoticsilver8442]

@@BlackRifleCrono If we're talking about bad theories RN. I'd say Miketrap was definitely way worse- If not just, the worst of them all.