In Search of the Fastest Tire and Wheel Combination 2022 | Tire Rack

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Жыл бұрын

What’s the fastest tire and wheel setup? Narrow tires on a wide wheel? Wide tires on a narrow wheel? Somewhere in between? We performed an extensive test with the Bridgestone Potenza RE-71RS to find the answer.
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@Pawan2013
@Pawan2013 Жыл бұрын
One of the best tire comparisons I've seen. Next you should test different wheel sizes, such as: 255/45R17 255/40R18 255/35R19 255/30R20
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your feedback with us.
@etiennebegin554
@etiennebegin554 Жыл бұрын
What I think would be most interesting is a non-square comparison. I'd wager 225 fronts on 9" and 245 rears on 9" would would outperform all tested here.
@BlackOpsHR
@BlackOpsHR Жыл бұрын
@@etiennebegin554 I think that depends a lot on the car and the weight destribution
@Damoinion
@Damoinion Жыл бұрын
That was exactly my thought as well but make sure the overall diameters are within 3% range
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
@tyrereviews
@tyrereviews Жыл бұрын
Love the longer videos! This is a test I've had on my list for years so thank you for doing it! Though I wasn't planning so many combinations, so even better!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@robbyjai
@robbyjai Жыл бұрын
@@tirerack while this is consistent with my experience on race tracks and im not surprised with the results. Whats poorly explained is your "control tire". For people who arent as experienced in this, the control tire doesnt make sense. WHAT is your control tire?? OEM Factory Tire???? RE71RS in specific tire size and wheel combination ??? What is the baseline you are comparing to ? I cannot figure it out. Anything above the 100% is faster and under is slower.. sure... faster than WHAT? OEM Tires???? The other thing you dont take into consideration nor explain is tire pressures. What tire pressures were you running. These all affect the results.While this is a great and informative video and consistent with my track experience... it could have been better explained for the beginners
@christopherjohnston6343
@christopherjohnston6343 Жыл бұрын
​@@robbyjai looks like OEM rim could be 215/40r18 7.5j But would be nice to have this confirmed
@AK-du4kd
@AK-du4kd Жыл бұрын
@@robbyjai I second this!
@LearningFast
@LearningFast Жыл бұрын
@@robbyjai honestly, this video seems to be geared to beginners more than anything. Yes, absolutely you have valid points about tire pressures and other things affecting the performance. However, explaining those things takes a lot of time. The video already was 16 minutes long. It is hard to hold someone’s attention on KZbin for longer than that. I assume that @Tire Rack is going to have other videos with different variables they test like tire pressure or tire profile but you can’t cram too much into a single video or people simply won’t watch it. This video seemed to have just the right amount of content without being too long. I think their “control” test was more of a benchmark than a true “control group”. A “control group” should isolate and “control” the variable that you are trying to test. They actually vary multiple variables(tire width, wheel width, and tire profile) in this test so they can’t really have a single “control group”. However, I think they ran enough test cases to have a legitimate conclusion. Certainly it could be explained better but not in 16 minutes. That would probably make the video 20 or 25 minutes and you lose so many viewers by that point. Even 16 minutes is hard to keep people’s attention on KZbin. I bet very few people read my entire comment because it is too long.
@BrodeyDoverosx
@BrodeyDoverosx Жыл бұрын
This series is why I buy from tire rack.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words!
@danmurad8080
@danmurad8080 Жыл бұрын
Keep doing this and my windshield will say TIRERACK so big, you'll see it from the back
@CB-bi1be
@CB-bi1be Жыл бұрын
Tire rack is really the only option in the USA . Unless you want to get overcharged by going somewhere else.
@zacharyparis
@zacharyparis Жыл бұрын
@@tirerack but you won’t let me buy what I want. Your website forces me to buy factory sizes only. You don’t even publish specs on the wheels you sell.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@cloudvsephiroth215
@cloudvsephiroth215 Жыл бұрын
I subscribed to a corporate entity... I would take that as a compliment. I like your track and platform choice. Your testing methods are both qualitative (descriptive but maybe subjective) and quantitative (objective and numerical but lacking in reference to human experience). This is THE BEST testing I have EVER seen on KZbin. Truly well done.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words and support! We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
@JackyMo6
@JackyMo6 Жыл бұрын
One of the best tires and wheel sizes combination review I've seen so far. Not only you guy give subjective opinions on how you feel while driving but also the objective datas that show the real world results. I really enjoy the content!!!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@auTHORity0492
@auTHORity0492 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this format, and testing growth. Thanks for the effort!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!
@thegenius46m
@thegenius46m Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this! Needed to be said for a long time that proper section widith for the rim width IS the key to a fast setup 💪
@AndiceRupen
@AndiceRupen Күн бұрын
This video is gold, with only one video you give a quality answer to the questions about wide tire and wide rims.
@BPEKSupraInteractive
@BPEKSupraInteractive Жыл бұрын
Yeah, these longer informative videos you all are doing now... keep it up! It's amazing! I love the information and analysis you all provide in these videos. So much great information for us! Thank you!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy you enjoy the video! Thank you for your kind words and support.
@Jakuzziful
@Jakuzziful Жыл бұрын
I settled on 235/40R17 on 8x17 - seems like a pretty good idea. And I dig the flat rim and tire fitting.
@Mike_Martian
@Mike_Martian Жыл бұрын
This video was fantastic! I appreciate all the effort this takes, and I hope there's more to come!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words and support!
@dadhats
@dadhats Жыл бұрын
absolutely loved this, very informational. please do more of these!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed this video!
@kiefershanks4172
@kiefershanks4172 Жыл бұрын
Woah I bought 225/45-R17s from Tire Rack on 17x8 RPF1s for my Corolla SE Manual after doing my own research and it is pretty validating to see I made a good choice. The upgrade was worth it 100%. The car handled noticeably better after just that wheel and tire change and ride seemed to improve too thanks the the RPF1's lightness. Well worth it.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
@mark-kf3md
@mark-kf3md Жыл бұрын
Three points: 1) In my experience if you are after the best performance it's best to take the section width and divide by 25.4. This is the width wheel you should run. Example: 255 / 25.4 = 10. 245/25.4-= 9.65. This has been proven to be true by many racers. Had you run the 245 on a 10 or at least a 9.5 it would have been the fastest. ** The best outcome in your test was the 225 on a 9. Guess what 225 / 25.4 = 8.86 2) The side wall stiffness of the tire will make a significant difference in the results. For your nest test run on different width wheels two different tires of same size but one with a softer side wall and one stiffer. The tire with the softer side wall will perform significantly worse when the tire is not vertical or stretched a bit. 3) The weight of the car makes a difference especially in the wet. It is sometimes pointed out that in some racing classes they will run for instance a 9 in tire on a 7" wheel. If you look at the class rules you will see that the max wheel width allowed is 7". They are using it because they must.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
@ouch1011
@ouch1011 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the info but you could have substantially simplified your post by just saying to run the same wheel width as the tire section width. 25.4mm = 1 inch.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We appreciate your feedback.
@smanzoli
@smanzoli Жыл бұрын
in short, convert from mm to inches and go 😅
@NothingXemnas
@NothingXemnas Жыл бұрын
​@@smanzoli It makes no difference. He already posted it in milimiters, and the tire width is measured in milimiters anyway (which they did to fit into metric). On the other hand, someone who uses imperial would need to convert the tire width to inches so that now tire measurements fit imperial. It isn't easier to "just convert to inches"; it is the exact same thing both ways, turning metric factory spec into imperial to fit YOUR American system, or turning imperial units to metric to fit your American methods to OUR metric standards.
@CarbonFiber23
@CarbonFiber23 Жыл бұрын
So fortunate to have this testing as I'm waiting for my BRZ order to arrive!
@joe_lucid00
@joe_lucid00 Жыл бұрын
Loving these new vids. Great information, feels almost Option-y. Lots of potential for this channel to grow (especially since it seems that fitment industries is in limbo or on its way out). Don't burn yourselves out releasing vids to quick. Thank you for the info!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We appreciate your kind words.
@LearningFast
@LearningFast Жыл бұрын
@Tire Rack it is absolutely amazing that you were able to test so many combinations. That must have been a significant effort. Thank you for taking the time to do such a thorough test.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We are thrilled that you enjoyed the video.
@seecarhk
@seecarhk Жыл бұрын
This is a really very good reference but just a reference within 215/225/245 on 7-9j rims, but can’t agreed all What we are talking about how to optimise lateral vehicle dynamics by ideal rim dimensions. The target of optimal tyre performance on target rim width should have to find out the relationship between sidewall stiffness, contact patch vs rim width. There are some unknown factors may affect the result : 1) driving ability 2) tyre type (uhp, semi slick, slick) 3) profile difference of 40/45 on wet as slip angles highly affect the control on wet 4) test track is tight which is good for narrow tyres 5) wet surface is good for narrow tyres as you can see rally car use very narrow tyres on ice 6) no proportional increase of rim width to the 245/40/17 test to know the affect of stretch setup on 245 7) the wear and drop of performance after test laps 8) the affect of offset and tyre width to scrub radius That’s why there are no best setup on track and need to work very hard to find the most suitable setup for your own
@gordonho5986
@gordonho5986 Жыл бұрын
what an amazing test we all knew we wanted sometime in our tyre hunt/research, and now we finally really have something on youtube back by actual data! :D nice.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed it!
@mathisverloove7737
@mathisverloove7737 2 ай бұрын
First video that i see from you guys and i have to say that the quality of the video is really great. Very useful and fun to watch :)
@Better_Car_Control
@Better_Car_Control Жыл бұрын
The results from this test has been well known in the Miata and wheel to wheel community for many years
@shoersa
@shoersa Жыл бұрын
The weight of each different tire/wheel combination would be good to list. I have always thought that a narrow tire on a narrow wheel would be lighter than a bigger setup and if it doesn't loose traction might be faster in straight line acceleration.
@mikebower9255
@mikebower9255 Жыл бұрын
You might notice there is no acceleration measurement in this test. For, say, a Miata @ Road America, a lighter tire wheel combo may yield a better laptime than a tire package with more lateral grip. It would need to be a situation where there are a whole lot of straights, with minimal cornering bias, like Road America, or maybe Road Atlanta. Lime Rock maybe. Something like that.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
@ArchOfficial
@ArchOfficial Жыл бұрын
Given the same compound, and assuming the car is grip limited, wider wheel and tire (in proportion) will accelerate faster. You could get some gains when not grip limited with less rotating inertia, but it's not exactly going to blow your socks off. The % changes are big but the absolute inertia is always very low.
@ArchOfficial
@ArchOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@mikebower9255 It will never yield a better laptime unless the car has so little power it can't reach a high enough speed to be on the limit in the corners, or the track has no corners.
@mikebower9255
@mikebower9255 Жыл бұрын
@@ArchOfficial what part of Miata @ Road America makes you think we disagree? I always run the widest tires I can put on anything, but a heavier wheel ass'y will cost you in braking, a wider tire will slightly affect top speed, it's like more downforce, almost always good, unless the track is mostly high speed oriented, like the ones I mentioned
@cisuris
@cisuris Жыл бұрын
Literally testing my tire setup amazing
@overtorque
@overtorque 11 ай бұрын
Best prices, honest reviews and these guys know their stuff. Been buying from you guy since 2004. Keep up the great work!
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind words and support! We really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to share your experience with us. We look forward to working with you again in the future!
@midnighteightsix6919
@midnighteightsix6919 Жыл бұрын
I suspect tire pressure would play a part in the overall competitiveness of each combo, plus the ambient and track temps across the various test days. They don't say what the 'control' pressure was, but maybe the 245/9" combo needed more/less pressure to gain a greater edge over the 225/9". Very interesting video nonetheless, thank you Tire Rack!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
@thatslegit
@thatslegit Жыл бұрын
same here, 20psi on a 225 is very different for a 245 which would get sloppy and drag the sidewall around
@Peter-ff1tp
@Peter-ff1tp Жыл бұрын
I haven’t even watched the video yet and can tell you that a 225 on a 9” will always be faster than the 245 on 9”. This is common knowledge in the Miata realm. (The most raced car in North America, if you want to know anything about racing you start there) The fastest Miata guys run 205 on 8”, 225 on 9”, and 245 on 10”. Edit- these are generally 15” diameter wheels.
@skvltdmedia
@skvltdmedia Жыл бұрын
@@Peter-ff1tp So coning the wall a little helps kill it's play/flex? That makes some sense.
@Peter-ff1tp
@Peter-ff1tp Жыл бұрын
@@skvltdmedia Yup. Same phenomenon the testers in this video experienced. It’s all about supporting the tire with a proper amount of wheel. The general idea is a 1:1 ratio of wheel width to tire tread width. For example, a 205 tire has a roughly(manufacturers vary)8” tread width, so you put it on an 8” wide wheel. These cars with their 17-18” wheels have an advantage over the Miata guys in tire choice. Earlier Miata’s generally run 14-15” wheels and tires are only available in the widths listed in my previous comment. The bigger tires for modern sports cars tend to be offered in more sizes so you can balance the car to your liking with the “in between” sizes like 215 and 235.
@erhanufak
@erhanufak Жыл бұрын
Best tire testing video ever! 👍
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed it.
@nissanite
@nissanite Жыл бұрын
Brilliant test. Suspected many of your results. Thank you. Will be sharing many times.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words!
@davesax11
@davesax11 11 ай бұрын
Glad they're running these tests in wet conditions. Hope they extend the test to the snow. From the perspective of everyday driving, safety under wet conditions along with predictability is a strong argument for tire width moderation - along with a properly matched wheel. Final variation - larger wheel sizes in the rears - along with impacts on wear.
@autosenses2960
@autosenses2960 Жыл бұрын
Sweet! I just mounted my 17x8 RPF1's with 225 RT660's that I purchased from Tire Rack. The wheel and tire package looks great.🔥
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Nothing better than that new shoe feelin' 😎 We hope you enjoy your new tires and wheels!
@lucysmith4242
@lucysmith4242 Жыл бұрын
@@tirerack appreciate the video
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support and kind words!
@FragEightyfive
@FragEightyfive Жыл бұрын
This does a pretty good job of showing the difference, and acknowledging varying track conditions, one thing to keep in mind is the weight of larger wheels and larger tires, that can be seen in the larger tires on the wider wheels. It would have been neat to see this on 16 inches since there are usually more tire choices available on 16s, but 17s are probably optimal for this vehicle, having owned one and driving on both 16s and 17s. Sidewall stiffness comes into play with wheel with support. Note: 1:33 I understand what you mean by tank slapper, but this isn’t a motorcycle, and unless you’re familiar with motorcycles, you’re not gonna know what that means
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
@markmartin7384
@markmartin7384 Жыл бұрын
definitely not more tire choices in 16s
@signal_yellow
@signal_yellow 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad I found this video. I just had my 2023 BRZ fitted with 17x8" alloy wheels and 225/45R17 performance tires, and that was money well spent.
@ryankassel5691
@ryankassel5691 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this, I'd love to see more tests like this
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support and kind words.
@nah3193
@nah3193 Жыл бұрын
I went from a 7" to 8" wheel on the same 215 tires and it feels so much tighter. I run about 2-3 psi higher pressure now though with the slight stretch, feels way better.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
@MrPizzaman09
@MrPizzaman09 Жыл бұрын
This is really exciting. I've run a 225 on 7.5" and 235. This year I'm going to try 255's on a 8" and then later step down to a 225 on a 8". Based on this data, the 225 on a 8" would be the best of my 4 combos.
@mrle0719
@mrle0719 Жыл бұрын
It could also depend on car weight, weight distribution and what tyre model you try
@mikebower9255
@mikebower9255 Жыл бұрын
Please use 9" wheels for your 255's. If your car does not take at least 8.5 wheels, you don't get 255's.
@MrPizzaman09
@MrPizzaman09 Жыл бұрын
@@mikebower9255 I bought the rims with the 255's on them already from someone else. I already purchased the 225's, so they will go on after an event or two with the 255's.
@kenne340
@kenne340 Жыл бұрын
Which one did you prefer 225 on the 7.5” or 235 on 7.5”? What was the sidewall ratio? I am looking for combos on a 7.5” wheel width.
@mikebower9255
@mikebower9255 Жыл бұрын
@@MrPizzaman09 ah, ok, fair enough
@ianchmp
@ianchmp Жыл бұрын
Thanks, this is the content we needed!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@Stephen_Ellis
@Stephen_Ellis Жыл бұрын
THIS IS THE CONTENT I WANT. Seriously, great job on this.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed this video!
@willsfrs
@willsfrs Жыл бұрын
I’m running 245/40/17 on a 17x9+38 on my frs with aftermarket suspension and -2° of camber. it feels and corners amazing, even while daily driving.
@mikebower9255
@mikebower9255 Жыл бұрын
Bet you try 32 psi front and 40 psi rear and you love it
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your experience with the community.
@DaftFader
@DaftFader Жыл бұрын
It'd be interesting to see this with staggered wheel widths too. so slightly Skinner on the front vs the rear, and how tire width and wheel width combinations stack up that way.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us.
@Tokyo_Views
@Tokyo_Views 11 ай бұрын
A content I have been waiting for thirty years! And Finally!! Thank you Tire Rack for making things happen.
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@boostedmaniac
@boostedmaniac Жыл бұрын
The stock wheels on the 1st gen Venza comes with 245s on 7.5” rims. But I understand why they do this. Forgiving when you accidentally bump the curb. Thanks for posting. This was very informative!
@briangoodner8680
@briangoodner8680 Жыл бұрын
You should mentioned that a wider tire DOESN'T "put more rubber on the ground." Only adding weight onto the tire and/or reducing psi does. Going to a wider or narrower tire does change the shape of the contact patch, as does going to a taller or shorter tire. Great video!
@bradcomis1066
@bradcomis1066 Жыл бұрын
This is true. I wonder what their pressures were set to?
@briangoodner8680
@briangoodner8680 Жыл бұрын
@@bradcomis1066They smartly didn’t want to introduce another variable and set them all to the psi on the door.
@bradcomis1066
@bradcomis1066 Жыл бұрын
@@briangoodner8680 but the door won't have pressures specified for each size they used, so that's not possible.
@gt4lex
@gt4lex Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if the 245 isn't just too much friction for the power of the stock GR86 ? Maybe they're just scrubbing too much / add extra rolling resistance that negates the additional grip provided, while traction was already more than enough on narrower tyres ? Anyway, this shows a good car is about general balance of its components and I think that's the key here.
@justinsugay1149
@justinsugay1149 Жыл бұрын
Wow, what a comprehensive test. Really useful study. Thank you!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
@grahamdowney
@grahamdowney Жыл бұрын
Excellent test & video recap!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support!
@phillyphil1513
@phillyphil1513 Жыл бұрын
2:59 - re: "stretched 215 on the 9..." STANCE FANS HAVE NOW JOINED THE CHAT...!!! 😁
@07coopr29
@07coopr29 Жыл бұрын
Interesting! I’m curious to see how this changes with different drivetrain configs awd, fwd, rwd.
@Peter-ff1tp
@Peter-ff1tp Жыл бұрын
It doesn’t. All principles remain the same.
@sigmamale4147
@sigmamale4147 Жыл бұрын
@@Peter-ff1tp ok know it all
@user-92614
@user-92614 11 ай бұрын
Thx! Great video
@HomeTipsAndTricks
@HomeTipsAndTricks Жыл бұрын
There was "well, of course...", but the "are you kidding me?" parts proved to be a great learning experience. You've got my subscription. Thanks for the great work! --Fink
@prosoccer2115
@prosoccer2115 Жыл бұрын
Love the testing being done! Can you do a shoot out between different wheel diameters on the BRZ/GR86? 16" vs 17" vs 18" vs 19" to show what the pros and cons of wheel diameter have on handling and lap time. Thanks!
@steffenkawa8374
@steffenkawa8374 Жыл бұрын
As small, wide and light as you can get. Just look at an old F1 car.
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo Жыл бұрын
@@steffenkawa8374 Nah, F1 cars already ran 15" wheels all-round in the 1960's and if you check out the 15" fronts from the 1970's F1 cars, they have relatively low profile front tyres which are about the same tyre profile as a modern 2023 F1 car! Rears were limited to 13" diameter wheels by regulation in about 1973, while fronts were limited to 13" diameter by regulation in about 1983. On the other hand, USAC Indycar racing stayed with 15" wheels from the 1960's to the present day. 🙂
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video! We will share your feedback with our tire testing team.
@dobryanskiy
@dobryanskiy Жыл бұрын
Interesting! Have you tried staggered combinations? Also, what about pressure, was it the same in all tests?
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Great questions! We did not stagger the tires for this test and we ran them all at the factory inflation pressure of 35psi.
@RideTheTrack
@RideTheTrack Жыл бұрын
this was a great video and really answered a burning question i had about tyre vs wheel width so thank you!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy you enjoyed the video!
@TheInsatiableAmos
@TheInsatiableAmos Жыл бұрын
Love these empirical and quantitative reviews! Super useful for the next set of tires I buy ;)
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to enjoyed the video.
@Bones12x2
@Bones12x2 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this series have a follow up with adjustable suspension. I actually expected the 225x9 to win on a stock setup, but I'd really like to see how the 245x9 behaves with suspension and alignment changes specifically for track use.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
@ayowser01
@ayowser01 Жыл бұрын
It's great. Do it 🙂
@07wrxtr1
@07wrxtr1 Жыл бұрын
@@ayowser01 Yeah my factory fronts are 9's and came with 245's... I went to 255's... but I'm guessing I can gain back some more steering response and MPG with a 245.... I wish that meant the tires would be a lot cheaper.... On the rear I have a 10" wheel - factory was 275 - I have a 285 on there now... Thoughts? It's a RWD 370z... I now have a fun 14 miles of curves on the way to work each day ;--)
@1986kojikoji
@1986kojikoji Жыл бұрын
they not test 235/45/17 tyres
@Captn_Slow
@Captn_Slow Жыл бұрын
I think there's one thing missing in the test. Are all these wheels have the offset? If the offset numbers are different, the lap time and feeling might not be solely due to wheel width. A wider track can make a difference as well.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
The wheel offsets are 7x7 ET42, 17x8 ET45, 17x9 ET45 with a 5mm spacer.
@danielgillrup9518
@danielgillrup9518 11 ай бұрын
I run a 235 on 8.5 and I’m pretty happy with it, nice testing!
@matthewjohnvu8104
@matthewjohnvu8104 11 ай бұрын
This is EXACTLY what I wanted to know! Thank you TireRack!
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
We are happy you enjoyed the video!
@JamesCreamerIII
@JamesCreamerIII Жыл бұрын
Do this again, but with staggered wheels. Slap 7/8 with 215/225 and 8/9 with 225/245 on and see what those results look like in comparison in the dry and wet! This video is super helpful for all the BRZ/FRS, Miata and S2000 folks out there, and a lot of them want to know which is better, staggered vs. square setup. 9:00
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
@juancuelloespinosa
@juancuelloespinosa Жыл бұрын
the 225mm tire with 9" wheel is the closest to being the same width. 225mm is 8.96 inches. I'm guessing that's why it was the fastest.
@Decogon16
@Decogon16 Жыл бұрын
this is very useful info amazing results Thanks so much to you all for making this!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy you enjoyed the video!
@hankrs225
@hankrs225 Жыл бұрын
very comprehensive test and analysis, well done!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed the video.
@jaball77
@jaball77 Жыл бұрын
With its smaller diameter the 215 has an acceleration advantage over the 225, so the results of the 225 are even more striking. The 225 had to overcome the acceleration disadvantage and still managed to be much faster overall.
@yveschapdelaine5240
@yveschapdelaine5240 7 ай бұрын
Do for the road only…17 mags wee le . Do you suggest 215 or 225?
@MeltingRubberZ28
@MeltingRubberZ28 Жыл бұрын
Interesting test. I tend to fall more into the drag racing use than circuit use and it would seem based upon your descriptions that corner exit/getting on the power earlier says that the wider tire is beneficial for acceleration.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
@micahgunnell
@micahgunnell Жыл бұрын
Great video! I love these data-based comparisons. Thanks for doing this detailed analysis! It would be interesting to see the differences(if any) on AWD and FWD vehicles.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy you enjoyed the video!
@brandonsmith7159
@brandonsmith7159 11 ай бұрын
Came here to say the same
@LearningFast
@LearningFast Жыл бұрын
Absolutely FANTASTIC video! Keep up the great work @Tire Rack. I always buy my tires from them. Prices are great and they have a great selection of tires.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We appreciate your kind words and support!
@gorrilaunit99
@gorrilaunit99 Жыл бұрын
*Weight, tire width and rim width range affect mechanical grip, and downforce is a multiplier*
@markbrooks8623
@markbrooks8623 Жыл бұрын
Wide wheel. Stretch the tire. Stiffen the sidewall. More lateral grip.
@therocket280z7
@therocket280z7 11 ай бұрын
I love that they did this test, Tire Rack is awesome! I only wish they had used their own data to decide what tires to test with. Most 225/45/17 tires have a tread width of around 7.5in. These are 7.9in, so naturally they worked better on even a 9in wheel. They're really best suited for the 8in overall, like they said, because you want to size your tires so the tread width is around the same wheel width. A tenth or two narrower tread width and it will be more responsive, a tenth or two wider and it will ride better. This is also relative to sidewall stiffness, these 225s are three notches stiffer than the other two, and won't require as much tire pressure to keep the tire flat on the ground, so it will be flatter on the ground than identical tire with a softer sidewall.
@dennisvanderben2719
@dennisvanderben2719 11 ай бұрын
super good info and well made, well edited
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for your support and kind words!
@billshoe22191
@billshoe22191 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Very informative. Hope there is a group summer performance tire test coming up on the BRZ
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@hypnotik174
@hypnotik174 11 ай бұрын
this was a great video, easy to watch multiple times
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@johnbehneman1546
@johnbehneman1546 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I learned a lot. Please continue to share your truth.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy you enjoyed the video!
@stevenfarrington2361
@stevenfarrington2361 11 ай бұрын
Fascinating! A very good question answered extremely well 👏👏
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@skimboards4life
@skimboards4life Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate this content! Very informative.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We appreciate your kind words and support! We are happy you enjoyed the video.
@lyzek01
@lyzek01 Жыл бұрын
This is great info guys. I don't track my evo and get the tire size based on looks but it's time to autocross it and this is perfect!!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!
@NarendZORCE
@NarendZORCE Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this test!!! MORE!!!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed this video!
@karl5428
@karl5428 2 ай бұрын
This was THE perfect video for what I was looking for. I have a square set of 18/8.5's on the way for my BMW and I'm trying to figure out the right tire setup.
@toddc2788
@toddc2788 Жыл бұрын
Tire rack really nailed this! Great job!!!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video! Thank you.
@that3ggt
@that3ggt 11 ай бұрын
I loved this video, its exactly the wheels size I have and the factory comparison so it's very interesting to see the relationship with tire size and wheel width.
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed it!
@luv4life1
@luv4life1 Жыл бұрын
This was very interesting and awesome knowledge dropped!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words and support.
@dion_aldi
@dion_aldi Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this content, thank you!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy you enjoyed it!
@rd2die1
@rd2die1 Жыл бұрын
This is a great test! Good job Tire Rack!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@p.8410
@p.8410 Жыл бұрын
the best video ever thank you so much i wait for this years
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
@HandsomeAlex25
@HandsomeAlex25 Жыл бұрын
This was fantastically informative. I love that the results broke some conventional wisdom!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy you enjoyed the video!
@silvenshadow
@silvenshadow Жыл бұрын
Epic concept and choices for tires. Big cheers!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words and support!
@theshazman
@theshazman Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video to finally put an end to this crazy debate
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy you enjoyed the video!
@EvolutionEight
@EvolutionEight Жыл бұрын
Super useful video, would love to see more like this
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
@notaboutit3565
@notaboutit3565 11 ай бұрын
Best advertisement I’ve ever seen. Excellent use of funds, cheers!
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
@FireManiac58
@FireManiac58 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing content, thank you so much
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We appreciate your kind words and support!
@bpweber
@bpweber Жыл бұрын
really nice video, been running 225 rt660s on 8s on my first gen BRZ and I really like it, was looking at changing sizes but I think I'll stick with what I have for a little longer!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
@JCYoo
@JCYoo Жыл бұрын
As a NC Miata driver, the wheel and tire selection is very relevant to me. Thanks for sharing this video. It was eye-opening.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support!
@WERT2025
@WERT2025 Жыл бұрын
Great content and narrator. Underrated video
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@shaxxlxx
@shaxxlxx Жыл бұрын
Awesome, this test is a dream come true.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your support!
@Adhoc25
@Adhoc25 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful information to have. Thank you.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy you enjoyed it.
@stevofoo
@stevofoo Жыл бұрын
Ultimate tests, thanks man!!!!!!!!!!
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are happy you are a fan!
@rmp5s
@rmp5s Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing video. Bravo.
@tirerack
@tirerack Жыл бұрын
We are so happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
@jefferys9593
@jefferys9593 Жыл бұрын
Very thorough , thanks
@mitchellsteindler
@mitchellsteindler 10 күн бұрын
Wow... this is legit thorough
@jwagner1993
@jwagner1993 10 ай бұрын
Hands up! Best professional test in the market!
@tirerack
@tirerack 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@TheBucketOfTruth
@TheBucketOfTruth 11 ай бұрын
So here the 225 on the 8" is the best combination for a road car. Thanks for doing this. I know google looked at my search query last night in order to feed this to me but I'm glad they did. I literally was just looking this up.
@tirerack
@tirerack 11 ай бұрын
We are happy to hear you enjoyed the video!
@kenkozawa9810
@kenkozawa9810 11 ай бұрын
Loved seeing the twins being used for testing
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