Can Women like Fanservice???

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inakyu

inakyu

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@MyRealeety
@MyRealeety Жыл бұрын
I‘m sorry but you censoring you feet has me giggling a bit
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
cant have them out for FREE
@kamen6009
@kamen6009 Жыл бұрын
​@@inakyui want to pay for it
@lvn4229
@lvn4229 Жыл бұрын
@@inakyu ill pay -$100. now gimme that hundred
@Vin_Venture896
@Vin_Venture896 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the moment I found out there’s literally an archive website of women’s feet out on the internet called ‘Wikifeet’ I immediately realised why this was necessary lmaoooo
@natastrophe.crochet
@natastrophe.crochet Жыл бұрын
I didnt even notice until I saw this comment lol
@tox1cya705
@tox1cya705 Жыл бұрын
I grew up being a "I'm not like other girls" type of girl, even though my first anime was Tokyo Mew Mew and Sailor Moon when I was around 6. I was ashamed of liking pink, sparkles and everything girly when I entered puberty and then teenage years. Now, at 23, I'm trying to heal that little girl in me that loved long transformation scenes full of glitter; shoujos and strong anime girls make me feel so safe, specially when I can relate more than ever with the pain and suffering that come with girlhood
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
yes!! i always felt the “i’m not like other girls” but that’s bc i never found other girls that liked anime but when i did-it made me so happy to be with other girls sharing the same interests
@loune3799
@loune3799 Жыл бұрын
Tokyo Mew Mew… wow I feel seen. I could have written this, though I found it in 8th grade 😅 the healing process has been long, still unpacking stuff, but I do think it gave me a unique perspective on Internet culture and how it’s influenced such over the years
@lordbauer5983
@lordbauer5983 Жыл бұрын
Kobeni pfp fully sells the “not like the other girls” aesthetic.
@tox1cya705
@tox1cya705 Жыл бұрын
@@lordbauer5983 what does that mean
@lordbauer5983
@lordbauer5983 Жыл бұрын
@@tox1cya705 Chainsaw Man fans are definitely the “not like the other girls” of anime fandom.
@selilox
@selilox Жыл бұрын
i love studio ghibli so much. The characters are honestly so relateable and it makes me so happy that these women aren't presented as a damsels in distress. We need more anime like studio ghibli tbh. (also has put my standards way to high LMAO)
@Zejoant
@Zejoant Жыл бұрын
So true lol
@danielantony1882
@danielantony1882 Жыл бұрын
I consider Re:Zero one of ðem. It doesn't have ðe usual cheap fan-service, and is a Character Study ðat basically treats every character as a protagonist, even if ðe main character is a guy. Jujutsu Kaisen and Mushoku Tensei are good as well. I say don't listen to people when ðey say ðe fan service in Mushoku Tensei is too much. Ðey have no idea what ðey're talking about. It is ðe most mature anime wið fan service you will find for ðis generation. Ðe sexually mature þemes are basically 10/10 in terms of spice but ðey are not cheap or indulgent about it. It's relatively mature, and if you feel anyþing like ðat happens, it's because ðe main character is ðat "Creepy perv" archetype but taken much more seriously and to furðer depþs and nuances, meaning he has a lot of oðer personality traits oðer ðan being horny or whatever. And his horniness doesn't even do anyþing for him since he reincarnated as a child and is physiologically a child. All he comes wið is memories. His first scene in ðe new world will immediately show you how þought out it is. I would honestly love to discuss it wið you guys. Re:Zero and Mushoku Tensei are just really cool shows. And ðere's a reason why ðey were ðe Top 2 Best Novels in Japan.
@jakeystarsuper
@jakeystarsuper Жыл бұрын
I mean ghibli girls still have their moments of distress
@henryfleischer404
@henryfleischer404 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, outside of that princess in Castle of Cagliostro. But I think that was his first movie.
@user-uz4wi2jk8z
@user-uz4wi2jk8z 2 ай бұрын
Except Mononoke all those ladies are in distress
@JurassicLion2049
@JurassicLion2049 Жыл бұрын
Girls have always loved anime & arguably carried it stronger than male fans for years. It was girls in highschool who were in anime club, proudly open about liking anime, who got me out of my shell and able to be open about loving anime.
@lilithofthevalley19
@lilithofthevalley19 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention we're mostly the ones keeping the fandoms alive with fanfiction, fanarts, roleplaying, etc.
@malloryshrooms7412
@malloryshrooms7412 Жыл бұрын
@@lilithofthevalley19legit like without us, ur fandoms would be dead dead 💀
@_ikako_
@_ikako_ Жыл бұрын
thanks, JurassicLion2049 (no shade just ur name is kinda funny :p)
@parusastringent7073
@parusastringent7073 Жыл бұрын
In Japan, it could be said that the otaku mostly comes from the women too. Like, the first convention, first cosplays ? Women. Kawaii aesthetic? Women. And then there is the shoujo and yaoi manga that probably got a bigger influence on all the industry than the shounen and nekketsu genre even if we see this everywhere. Otaku culture is in a big part feminine. Kind of tired that we always depict it as being dominated by males.
@kellabdjfoo
@kellabdjfoo Жыл бұрын
@@lilithofthevalley19ikr
@Abshir1it1is
@Abshir1it1is Жыл бұрын
Casually calling Bakugo's "wife beater" a "woman respecter" is top tier content. Subscribed.
@syedarizvi7290
@syedarizvi7290 Жыл бұрын
lol I loved that
@P-P-Panda
@P-P-Panda Жыл бұрын
Imma start calling them that now 😂
@pig3292
@pig3292 Жыл бұрын
I've always had a love hate relationship with fanservice as a woman. I like seeing it (like on a monkey brain level), but it can absolutely be done wrong and taint a show. It all depends on the context
@DemonicRemption
@DemonicRemption Жыл бұрын
@pig3292 Ma'am I ask this as a black man, name me one example of fan service done right? Sure such anime exist, but they're very far few in between.
@kindacalled777
@kindacalled777 Жыл бұрын
​​​@@DemonicRemptionto me if a character being sexy actually affects the plot e.g. a femme fatale, then it's fine. Otherwise I'll be thinking WHY?
@Sage-H26
@Sage-H26 Жыл бұрын
@@DemonicRemption Where it’s usually done right is an actual fanservice anime, because that’s where the fanservice actually makes sense it’s in the ecchi genre and that’s the literally the point of an ecchi Anime hence the name, but anywhere else like Shonen, Isekai and etc I do wonder is it necessary as that’s not the appeal of them I don’t mind it if it makes sense for the character in these genres but does it have to be so prevalent all the time especially when they already got a genre for Anime specifically for fanservice.
@pig3292
@pig3292 Жыл бұрын
@@DemonicRemption it's very subjective, but I agree with the previous reply that if the show is billed as an ecchi then you're watching the show FOR fan service. It can't blindside you or ruin the show when it's actually the whole point of the show. First show that came to mind for me was High School of the Dead. Honestly it was a little too trashy for me, but it went so batshit crazy with its fanservice that I kinda respect it lol. Like it's bad when a show tries to be respectable and takes itself seriously but then throws way too many panty shots at you, but if a show is just there to be a goofy time and knows it, I'm okay with that.
@naraku971
@naraku971 Жыл бұрын
@@Sage-H26done pretty well in Harem too.
@DanielSantosAnalysis
@DanielSantosAnalysis Жыл бұрын
Growing up, I watched a lot of anime with my younger sister, but I was always careful to show her stuff that didn't have a ton of fan service or sexualization. I've honestly felt kind of bad about how I influenced her taste over the years since apparently she got teased for liking nerdy stuff, but she's been appreciative of me showing her anime that have had a strong impact on her. Watching this though, I feel like I gained a deeper understanding on how the anime we watched affected her, for me I just wanted to show her good shows that had depth and substance, but I hadn't considered that they were also positive examples of female empowerment that in turn helped her feel better about herself. I really loved this video, thank you for making it.
@DarkEclipse23
@DarkEclipse23 Жыл бұрын
Clearly you didn’t because even shoujo anime has fanservice.
@DanielSantosAnalysis
@DanielSantosAnalysis Жыл бұрын
@@DarkEclipse23 There hundreds of thousands of anime that exist and many of them have little to no fan service, it's really not that crazy to have watched a bunch of anime without subjecting yourself to it.
@kalopsiawitch9538
@kalopsiawitch9538 Жыл бұрын
That’s so cool 😊my sister is more into blood and guts or psychological stuff. She is starting to watch sailor moon and ghlibli now though so better late then never. I wish I could have started showing her them when she was a baby but I didn’t have any way to at the time 🫤. It’s great you were able to do that for yours❤
@DanielSantosAnalysis
@DanielSantosAnalysis Жыл бұрын
@@kalopsiawitch9538 Berserk is one of my sister's favorite anime, she likes blood and gore too 😁
@kalopsiawitch9538
@kalopsiawitch9538 Жыл бұрын
@@DanielSantosAnalysis Oh dear. Well, I guess if I think about the things I watched and read at her age, her watching habits aren’t so bad. The things I know about anyway 😑
@HaydenTheHistorian
@HaydenTheHistorian Жыл бұрын
Akitaro Daichi never gets enough credit for what he's done to push shoujo anime forward and really embrace that power of femininity. Fruits Basket, Kodocha, and Kamisama Kiss would not be what they are without his direction and faith in a large female staff to make something great.
@emtpmpknhed
@emtpmpknhed Жыл бұрын
This is true, but… he also allegedly pressured an actress for sexual favors in exchange for a leading role in a series.
@HaydenTheHistorian
@HaydenTheHistorian Жыл бұрын
@@emtpmpknhed I've heard nothing about it being an exchange for a role. Daichi is very picky when it comes to his actors, so he either auditions people (usually non-actors) or complies with the requests of the original author, as is the case with Fruits Basket.
@micah459
@micah459 Жыл бұрын
One thing about anime I love is that there's something for everyone so even if you don't like fanservice, there's many anime that don't objectify women (like Fullmetal alchemist, Yona of the Dawn, Kiss him not Me). I also agree that you can love an anime but not like everything in it. I personally love Bleach but do think they need to chill on some of the fanservice. I also agree that a dude having his shirt off isn't the same as a women being half naked. People need to stop acting like it's the same.
@kathycoleman4648
@kathycoleman4648 Жыл бұрын
That last part is a big one. What counts as fan service for men vs. women is very different. Men often make the mistake of thinking that since they tend to like large breasts and plump ass that a woman is going to have the same reaction if a toned guy is shirtless. Meanwhile, while male leads designed for women are often pretty, its usually specific non-sexual, but rather romantic or potentially sensual, interactions that women tend to care about.
@hamdepaf6686
@hamdepaf6686 Жыл бұрын
yea, where the D jiggle physics at?
@herefortheshrimp1469
@herefortheshrimp1469 Жыл бұрын
@@hamdepaf6686 Exactly - until I see some highly detailed animation of a male jojo character dodging a bullet between his balls in slow motion (which I do not want to lol), we are not even close to equal lol
@princemwamba5230
@princemwamba5230 Жыл бұрын
​@@herefortheshrimp1469mam there was an anime were a woman was literally sitting on a dude as he flew and was using his dick as helicopter blades
@resir9807
@resir9807 Жыл бұрын
​@@herefortheshrimp1469 I'm a straight guy but that sounds so stupid I kinda want to see it now lol
@kugrash
@kugrash Жыл бұрын
my first anime was pokemon, but growing up as a girl I always found myself more attached to shonen and the male characters in them; even if the girls weren't hypersexualized, they just weren't given the same depth as their male counterparts (i'm looking at YOU, kishimoto), but also sometimes when they were given depth, they were ultra effeminate and not something i found i could connect with- looking back and being transmasc now, i can really see the sheer disparity of development male characters often are given over female counterparts in shonen, but also how in the shojo i did like, they all primarily featured female leads crossdressing or being gender non-conforming, which played a huge part in why I liked them!
@nitedread2547
@nitedread2547 Жыл бұрын
I relate to this. I’m an afab non-binary person and this is gonna be a bit of a vent. I’ve always like animated tv. I got into anime bc I was a huge Teen Titans fan and wanted something with similar animation. However, anime to me was often disappointing in female representation. I often liked the male characters more bc they had so much depth and strength and the female characters were SO sexualized I couldn’t get through a lot of anime because of it. However my guy friends were often fans of those kinds of animes. I understood that the characters were attractive, but often times the female characters were so sexualized that it became their main attribute and part in the story. I didn’t discover animes like Sailor Moon and Soul Eater until later in life (like last year) and I wonder how much better I would’ve seen myself if I had those kinds of characters. I still think a lot of animes fall flat when it comes to their female characters and I can’t really deal with outright sexualization for the sake of sexualization. I don’t think fan service is a bad thing, but there’s just SO much of it that it’s kinda hard to avoid. However, there are animes coming out with better female characters (right now I really enjoy chainsaw man) so I remain hopeful. It definitely was a contributing factor in my journey to discovering my gender identity. Also if u wouldn’t mind letting me know about the gender non conforming animes I would be very thankful 🙏
@kugrash
@kugrash Жыл бұрын
@nitedread2547 yes this is exactly it!! i loved soul eater back in the day but even that had hypersexualized designs of certain characters that could make it harder to enjoy sometimes! like in the video, it really just became something we had to accept if we wanted to watch shows or read manga. and for the two series, i can't say they've entirely aged well in some cases, but ouran high school host club meant a lot to me growing up, and then a shojo manga called hana-kimi: for you in full blossom! it's about a girl who cross-dresses to get into the all-male school of her track star idol, but it really impacted me growing up and how i started to feel about myself as i got older!!
@nitedread2547
@nitedread2547 Жыл бұрын
@@kugrash YES EXACTLY! Love Soul Eater but there are aspects of it I really don’t enjoy. Same goes for chainsaw man. And I hate having to work around it to just relax and enjoy a show. Thank you for the recommendations! I’ll check them out 💕
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 Жыл бұрын
yah kishimoto had prettygood female characters and sakura gets better, but boy is she underused after sasori. hinata could show more fights too. and anko, wtf fridge tat interesting underused character.
@nikolasscheeks
@nikolasscheeks Жыл бұрын
omg transmasc twin! you and i have had similar experiences hahaha
@dinahb1170
@dinahb1170 Жыл бұрын
One of my very first anime was Princess Tutu, which I am extremely grateful for. It showed me early on that a female character could be the hero (whilst also being extremely silly and flawed in her own way) and that a man could be the “damsel” in distress. In addition, the series actively avoided the “girls are dramatic and petty and can’t be friends” trope by making the female “rival” an extremely kind and complicated person on her own. Oh, now I really wanna rewatch it.
@roxassora2706
@roxassora2706 Жыл бұрын
I need this.
@capdahat2598
@capdahat2598 Жыл бұрын
I rewatched Tutu recently! Such a good show!
@dinahb1170
@dinahb1170 Жыл бұрын
@@capdahat2598 i haven't seen it in years! I'm glad its as good as I remember
@grinko1222
@grinko1222 Жыл бұрын
Kinda lame to write strong female characters at the expense of the male characters
@roxassora2706
@roxassora2706 Жыл бұрын
@@grinko1222 I think it has to deal with the fact that not all men are strong, nor do they want to be.
@greyborg3846
@greyborg3846 Жыл бұрын
I actually really appreciate a video like this. I've been watching anime for nearly 30 years now and I'm very used to a lot of the tropes and idiosyncrasies of the medium. I love anime, but it is not without its flaws. And those flaws are especially noticeable to me when I'm trying to introduce my young children to anime. A lot of the things in anime that I've just gotten used to are very inappropriate in general and especially for my young kids. I've become very aware in recent years that anime has no rating system and so it's really difficult for me to pick shows for my children that they can watch and that I'm not going to have to explain to them why the male characters are having nosebleeds all the time...
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
my dad really tried his best to shield me from it but W parenting
@arlekino0792
@arlekino0792 Жыл бұрын
Kodomo tag: Pokemon, Precure and other stuff
@DemonicRemption
@DemonicRemption Жыл бұрын
@greyborg3846 I'm sorry, but you don't sound very knowledgeable of anime... How on Earth have you been watching anime for 30 years, which is equal to how long I've been watching anime yet you don't know about the numerous anime appropriate for kids?" Anime like Pokemon, Digimon, Astro-Boy, Pre-Cure, Hero Bank, Puzzle Dragon X, Sonic X, Hamtaro, Brave Beats, SD Gundam, and Gundam Build Fighters to name a few. But that question was rhetorical as I just remembered how many anime fans just follow trends instead of exploring the anime landscape like I and very few seem to do.
@greyborg3846
@greyborg3846 Жыл бұрын
@@DemonicRemption They've watched about half of those already. I think the problem is that I never watched a lot of anime that were made for kids. And even things like Pokémon, Digimon, and GBF are all good anime they are all also violent. They're not explicit or gruesome, but they are violent and that's not what I would like my children to be watching.
@cruisethomas3244
@cruisethomas3244 Жыл бұрын
@@greyborg3846poke is good for 5+
@aquatictrotsky1067
@aquatictrotsky1067 Жыл бұрын
Tbh I wish the question of "can women like fanservice?" was tackled more in-depth, because for me the thing I think is worth examining is the way many defenders of fanservice in anime will say "plenty of women like the sexy fanservice too" and point to women who like doing cosplays of sexualized female characters (you do kind of tackle this by addressing how you enjoy many of these characters *in spite* of the fanservice around them), women who enjoy sexualized character designs, and women who are just really horny and for one reason or another simply don't let the implications of fanservice get in the way of them being horny. The common rebuttal to that I most often hear is "Oh those women have internalized misogyny", and while that can often be true I think that jumping to making that conclusion and ending the conversation there denies these women their agency, has really paternalistic overtones, and prevents a meaningful conversation about the myriad ways in which people engage with their sexuality.
@joemusashi7774
@joemusashi7774 Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of the women really horny for them are bisexuals who are in relationships with men, or mostly seek male relationships. They repress the part attracted to women in real life and let it out when it comes to anime girls. Others, like cosplayers probably see themselves represented in the characters, as they'd have huge boobs and proportions not many women have.
@pheonixrises11
@pheonixrises11 Жыл бұрын
I think fanservice can be enjoyable to women for various reasons: 1. Being attracted to women (obviously) 2. Seeing female characters sexualized regularly makes it easier to sexualize women yourself, and even appreciate it(or just overlook it). 3. Enjoying the aesthetics of attractive women 4. Finding these scenes funny and unrealistic 5. Admiration of sexy women (the kinds that dress in more revealing clothing. Not every scantily-clad woman is nuanced or powerful, but they can be interpreted that way, and sometimes they are designed like that. I’m thinking of how bayonetta was designed by a woman)
@MeanieMosey
@MeanieMosey Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with your point at 13:57! One thing I like about anime is the character diversity. In so many mainstream shows that I watched before I started watching anime, in order for a woman to be strong, she needed to be cold and distant also (Katniss Everdeen, Captain Marvel, etc.), and anime throws that rule out the window, not just for women, but for everyone (guys can cry too!). And it’s the fact that we’re able to empathize and get to know these characters so well that allows me to really enjoy this medium.
@renoirrr
@renoirrr Жыл бұрын
i kinda disagree on the katniss one as the movies left out a lot of her real characterisation but yeah it is kinda the gist of it but i excuse it since it was the only way she could survive in that dystopian world. captain marvel tho? cant defend that movie as much as i like the mcu.
@veen-a2092
@veen-a2092 Жыл бұрын
I agree with the statement but I also do have a problem with a lot of the comments and find the video statement a bit contradictory in its understanding of men. She is right about what she said about women and how there are a lot of genres and shows that caterers to their liking and that is good that is what Anime as a franchise should up-hold but at the same time how men and women thinks and view the world aren't the same and whoever says it is are wrong there is not argument in that. Women tends to like details, emotional and impactful quotes something that makes them feel empowered and related. While men are more visual more simple in their wants and needs rather than relatabke they want what they can reach/become, if there is explosions car chase and cheescakes they're happy its the best anime ever for the majority of them men are visual creatures and men as a whole biologically have higher sexual drive so from a marketing stand point give them a big chested women with guns and they're happy best written female protagonist in Anime. The thing I felt like its contradictory is that while there are a great genre for women why are we trying to attack the male gaze genre? this is exactly what Marvel is doing and failed miserably why are we still in 2023 trying to force educate men and shame them for their gaze and likes let them have their bikini boobies girl like who cares I think the statement should be how as that people who consume the genre of more female centric side of Anime how should we improve our products,how should we improve our marketing and how should we expand the market so that these side of genre can get the same respect as Goku flexing and Edging himself for 2 episodes straight, in every male catered genre there is always going to be skimpy girls thats for them and if we wanted to educate men to atleast know that like "hey women are more than just that" then I think concentrating of how the genre of female centered products can expand within the mainstream men have big titted bikini girl so what? Lets stop this concentration of what is in the men's genre and what is in the "male gaze" lets start the topic on how can we improve the market of female catered anime products. Force education will never work schools proved that it done more harm than good in a lot of cases in these day and age,in theory it might be all great to force stop men from gazing but no it will just result in rebellion lets stop worrying about what the men are gazing on and start to widen and improve the product of female centered genres by just concentrate on said genre if market is big enough men will definitely watch it if the writing and production is good enough men will watch it its always as the old saying goes "to educate men make them think that it is their idea" always till to this day proof to be right
@redmoonbloodmoon3161
@redmoonbloodmoon3161 Жыл бұрын
strong, badass, s'xy/beautiful, independent, complex/depth, and etc, female characters in movies 1. ripley (aliens) 2. sarah conner (terminator) 3. jasmine (aladdin) 4. ariel (little mermaid) 5. selene (underworld) 6. alice (resident evil) 7. o'neil (G.I. Jane) 8. lara croft (tomb raider) 9. april o'neil (TMNT) 10. carrie (carrie) 11. the female MCs in many various horror flicks (friday the 13, nightmare on elm street, halloween, hellraiser, etc) 12. charlie (firestarter) 13. aeon flux (aeon flux) 14. princess leia (star wars: 1-6) 15. clarice (silence of the lambs) 16. "the bride"/black-mamba (kill bill) 17. dr. ellie sattler (JP1) 18. ultra violet (ultra violet) 19. adrian (rocky) 20. baby doll and others (sucker punch) 21. rose and cybil and alessa (silent hill) 22. hit girl (kickass 1-2) 23. jessica rabbit (who framed roger rabbit) 24. holly (cool world) 25. diana / wonder woman (wonder woman) 26. blade's mother (blade 1) and the black female hemo-blood scientist partner of blade (blade 1) and the vampire princess (blade 2) 27. trinity (matrix) 28. mia (pulp fiction) 29. cat woman (batman) 30. hermione (harry potter) 31. dorothy (wizard of oz) 32. katnis (hunger games) 33. beatrix/trix (divergent) 34. river tam (serenity) 35. dottie (a league of their own) 36. the girl in riddick 37. rita (edge of tomorrow) 38. alita (battle angel alita) 39. the girl (logan) 40. mystique, storm, jean grey, and etc (x-men) 41. black widow and etc (MCU) 42. Hanna (Hanna) 43. Furiosa (mad max) 44. domino harvey (domino) 45. jess (bend it like beckem) 46. leeloo (the 5th element) 47. mulan (mulan, disney's old/original animated film) 48. Jo (Twister) 49. Guinevere (King Arthur) 50. the female MC in The Ring 51. the female MC in stealth 52. the female MC (morgan/morgana, I think, too lazy to look up, lol) in Cutthroat Island 53. the female MC in million dollar baby 54. elvira (elvira mistress of the dark) 55. evelyn-evie / nefertiti (mummy 1-2) 56. sonya blade (mortal kombat) 57. the female MC in Anaconda 58. the female MC in city of ember 59. the female MC in the mortal instruments: city of bones 60. the female MC in mortal engines 61. the female MC (the nurse) in 28 days later and 28 weeks later 62. the female MC in the Grudge 63. the female MC in Hancock 64. the female MC in Wanted 65. the female MC in V for Vendetta 66. the female MC in the Golden Compass 67. maleficent (maleficent) 68. Elsa (frozen) 69. esmeralda (hunchback of notre dame) 70. the female MC in Annihilation 71. the female kryptonian 2nd in command (man of steel) 72. alice (alice in wonderland) 73. snow white (the huntsman) 74. salt (salt) 75. the psychic rookie (dredd) 76. the girl (actress: keira knightly, but forgot her character name, too lazy to look up) in pirate of caribean 77. lucy (lucy) 78. motoko kusanagi (ghost in the shell, but its uber KRAP hollywood movie of the legendary GiTS, sighs, not deserving of being put here, but it is a strong bad'ss independent female lead, even if they totally got Motoko all wrong, sighs) and many many many more
@enterurnamehere27
@enterurnamehere27 Жыл бұрын
​@@veen-a2092 "it resulted in rebellion" That just mean us men must have more self controls lmao. Like, I myself is a straight man that appreciates some aspects of traditional masculinity, but I also do saw how harmful if us men cannot control ourselves from oozing at women's bodies and frickin rebelled if someone teach us that. Like, are we that utterly stupid to not be able to control ourselves? For me, men not be able to control ourselves is shame, a *big* shame to us really
@veen-a2092
@veen-a2092 Жыл бұрын
@@enterurnamehere27 It is true majority of men are indeed "oozing at women with no self-control" to have a fair playground men are biologically born with higher sexual drive than women and due to us living in a more patriarchal world and society majority of men are not taught self-control and discipline the majority of anime-geek culture is dominated by men more than women I really do think that during the late2000s-2010s that we have great female characters these day and age they took it to another level and force "diversity" and force "strong female character" that are just a toxic musculine trait that is being package in a female skin.I do think that anime have a lot of great female characters that are not just eye-candy and I find videos like these a bit hypocritical when they only bashed the eye-candy characters and doesn't explore the numbers of great female characters and then proceed to complain about it as I have stated it is still dominated by male audiences so mainstream anime shows will usually be more catered to a typical straight male gaze and my argument is that thats ok cause thats just one market rather than complaining about that why not concentrate on female gaze or female market anime side to improve how do we expand our market and if we want to expand how can we get some of those typical anime fans to say "oh! this anime is actually quite good"etc...These days its just complaining and whining and I'am actually kind of sick of this culture of whinning,policing,complaining rather than trying to take an action to improve certain market or contents it is so lazy to me cause it is so easy to complain and force demands rather than working for its improvement. It should never be about male gaze vs female gaze in the first place in my opinion it should be about "How do we improve and widen the field of this market?" Even the video creator herself acknowledge that anime and manga catered to different genres and liking and then proceed to say that women are only sexualised in shounen Ai genre and again Shounen Ai is a male catered genre so the statement of anime catering to different people and genre just make no sense, I truly do understand that a lot of female characters are written like such a waste in some manga but in the end I also understand that that the genre is a male power fantasy and also not acknowledging the fact that there a loads of great written female characters in mainstream anime like Saber from fate stay Night literally all women in fate stay Night tbh,Mikasa,potato girl etc....in AOT badass women characters they don't even show skin or any sort of sexualised they're just badass etc etc etc like there are tons of badass women that are not just eye-candy even in shounen ai is a bit hypocritical statement and lets be fair it is more catered for male target audience it is a male power fantasy show some cleavage or booty if needed for marketing cause in the end of the day the market is a young male and if some women don't like that then there is a Shoujo anime so why are we trying to invade a media that is catered to young men when we already have a media that is catered for women why not just concentrate to better and improve that genre rather than complaining about mens media
@micah459
@micah459 Жыл бұрын
Yall bringing up Akatsuki no Yona makes me realize we still haven't gotten a Season 2 😢. The manga is so good
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
they did it with fruits basket means they can do it with yona 😩😤😤
@beckyginger3432
@beckyginger3432 Жыл бұрын
Yona getting the fruits basket treatment - that's the dream!
@lemon5000-tj6nv
@lemon5000-tj6nv Жыл бұрын
​skip beat also needs the fruits basket treatment
@Oneforus21111
@Oneforus21111 Жыл бұрын
Yes s2 needs to happen
@TheAnimeTea
@TheAnimeTea Жыл бұрын
This collab was destined to happen! Thanks Ina and Colleen for being voices for girls who love and watch anime and manga.
@yannickjohn6930
@yannickjohn6930 Жыл бұрын
The fanservice in shoujo is not based on working out and being cool. They don't want muscles in shoujo, I'm facing it. The dudes have gotta be pretty-pretty, not just "pretty," "pretty-pretty!" Like they're from some K-pop group with aegyo. That much.
@jakeystarsuper
@jakeystarsuper Жыл бұрын
While i agree ghibli has better female characters. I dont agree with labeling Disney princess as damsel in distresses because thats not who they really were. They are just misunderstood
@AnarchicCrow
@AnarchicCrow Жыл бұрын
Honestly I always found it really hard to get into anime, I always wanted to but couldn't get past the needless sexualisation. I've never been interested in romance either so finding a "girl" anime to avoid the male fan service that also had the same energy and action as the "boy" animes has been difficult. I nearly stopped watching chainsaw man but I'm really glad I didn't because it proved to be nuanced but still goofy and I love it. One of the main reasons I enjoy this channel is because I can find good animes that I never would've found otherwise and I'm very grateful for it. It's so nice to feel understood and know that anime isn't just for boys and that it also isn't just romance for girls ❤
@yukiandkanamekuran
@yukiandkanamekuran Жыл бұрын
to be fair, if you hear people talk about a "GREAT ANIME" and it's super popular and everyone's talking about it, feel free to ignore it. I have never watched Naruto, Bleach, Chainsaw Man, Demon Slayer, any of that stuff. I have watched some shounen, mind you, but it's just meh. And while a lot of anime I do like has fan service, a lot doesn't. Such as magical girl anime. I recommend Princess Tutu, Cardcaptor Sakura, Shugo Chara, Mermaid Melody, Little Witch Academia, Pretty Cure (I'd try one of the newer ones, I really like Pretty Cure Delicious Party) and anime that's not magical girl anime. Like Aikatsu!, Acchi Kocchi, Azumanga Daioh, Fruits Basket (watch the newer one), Hibike! Euphonium, Toilet Bound Hanako Kun, Vampire Knight, Lycoris Recoil, Lapis Re:Lights, Red Data Girl, Snow White with the Red Hair, etc etc. And there's more mature anime you can watch, more childlike, in general just don't go off of popular recommendation all the time. Like literally scroll through pirate websites like gogoanime or something. Or myanimelist. A lot of anime is also pretty dated, so watch out for that. In general, get up an anime list together, and try out some yuri anime. And if you do come across fanservice, don't feel bad for being upset. You're allowed to want to feel comfortable.
@veen-a2092
@veen-a2092 Жыл бұрын
Symphogear if you need high-energy action with girl power its like a mix of powerpuff girls,magical girl and Gundam
@omniframe8612
@omniframe8612 Жыл бұрын
To help get over that even further just understand that anime is a medium not a genre. I think people on the outside think anime is just the popular genre that gets attention and not the rest of the iceberg. One guy called it childish before and im like…well we don’t see films as childish because pixar films like Toy story are popular
@AnarchicCrow
@AnarchicCrow Жыл бұрын
@@yukiandkanamekuran Thank you! I appreciate the recommendations! ❤️
@9822703
@9822703 Жыл бұрын
prude
@cyanidejoe6577
@cyanidejoe6577 Жыл бұрын
YOU KNOW ITS A GOOD DAY WHEN INAKYU posts a video!!!
@rosem4891
@rosem4891 Жыл бұрын
finding shoujo anime was such a pivotal part of my life lol, I would not be the same person I am today without Kyoko Mogami and Princess Yona. I really appreciated hearing your thoughts!
@behindthemaestrosdesk
@behindthemaestrosdesk Жыл бұрын
I think specially Hayao Miyazaki, I’ve admired as having strong independent women as protagonists… and specially in film, it is seen as if it’s always the man that gets that role, and the women’s only purpose is to just be vulnerable almost, just waiting for the man to save them. Hayao Miyazaki has always done differently, he’s shown that any women can have the strength and confidence just as any ordinary man.
@brianna3275
@brianna3275 Жыл бұрын
As a huge Ghibli fan, I would LOVE to see this topic 17:27 have it's own video. I’ve never thought about why I love the Ghibli movies and protagonists so much growing up, but the points laid out made perfect sense, and I would love to hear more of an analytical viewpoint on this!
@lashaunwhitley9183
@lashaunwhitley9183 Жыл бұрын
Just go watch cinema therapy since she copied them anyway
@brianna3275
@brianna3275 Жыл бұрын
What a goofy notion that two people can’t talk about the same subject without it being labeled as “copying”. I for one, would love to hear Inakyu’s personal thoughts and opinions on this topic because I enjoy her analysis style. Calling it copying is just silly imo. If you prefer cinema therapy’s content, then why not just watch their stuff?
@lashaunwhitley9183
@lashaunwhitley9183 Жыл бұрын
@@brianna3275 no I'm saying like word for word...to the last detail. Anyway not here to argue with a stranger ur insignificant
@randompersononearth6585
@randompersononearth6585 Жыл бұрын
ommgggggg i definatelyy was not expecting this collab like i love both inakyu and colleen m so happyy, thank youu for this
@milliondoller06
@milliondoller06 Жыл бұрын
go to any nerd convention and see how many girls cosplaying love fanservice
@hurrdurr6455
@hurrdurr6455 Жыл бұрын
Bisexual woman here. I love bouncing butts and tiddies, legs and tummies, men and women, and of course I love good fanservise. I've been shamed by people for liking fanservise because "it's wrong for a girl to like it" or 'haha you are dumb for liking fanservice, go and watch rEaL aNiMe" when I was a teen. Unpopular opinion but I think that the real misogyny starts when other people tell a real breathing woman what she should and shouldn't like, no matter how good their initial intentions are.
@selainx
@selainx Жыл бұрын
i guess it bothers me when it distracts from the story.. Plus sexualization often feels objectifying. idk just makes me sad that people are so obsessed with those things.. theres nothing inherently wrong with it.. but like i hate how people focus on those things rather than seeing people for who they are, regardless of their body... idk.. its not just an issue with fanservice in anime i feel, but media in general.. people internally are so much more than how they look..
@zxcvb3772
@zxcvb3772 Жыл бұрын
@@selainx One of the reasons I can't watch anime in front of other people, or in front of my family is because 99% of anime today have some form of fanservice in it, and those scenes will look very very very weird to the normal people who don't usually watch anime. If it's not girls having half their tits out all the time, it's some weird fetishization of a loli/childlike character, or underaged school girls with unrealistic cup size and short skirts looking sus, or they make some weird noises like moaning for no reason. I've actually thought about it, what are anime that I could recommend to a "normie" who wouldn't feel weirded out by it, and the list is not long, especially when it is a recommendation for a family member.
@Jet-ij9zc
@Jet-ij9zc Жыл бұрын
​@@selainxif you feel objectified by a drawing unrelated to you, you should probably do some introspective on that. Do you personally feel objectified when an irl woman show risky pictures on Instagram or other platform? Probably not, because it has nothing to do with you. Why would that suddenly not apply when the risky pictures are of a fictional character?
@flwrsforvaña
@flwrsforvaña Жыл бұрын
​@@selainxhow do you objectify someone that doesn't exist?
@GameFuMaster
@GameFuMaster Жыл бұрын
@@zxcvb3772 tell me this. Why is is absolutely normal to watch someone get mutilated or a execution scene, but wrong if a woman decides to show her tits to her male lover?
@laracunningham7335
@laracunningham7335 Жыл бұрын
I really related to what you mentioned about fanservice. When I first started to get into anime I found it really jarring but over time I guess I've become more accustomed to it.
@gandalainsley6467
@gandalainsley6467 Жыл бұрын
I as a teenager found it weird when I first started watching anime.
@maddmira9888
@maddmira9888 Жыл бұрын
A lot of girls definitely like fanservice. They don't like the straight up sexual assault that's labeled as fanserivce.
@Jet-ij9zc
@Jet-ij9zc Жыл бұрын
And most of the time when that happens the character doing it gets punched into next week
@TheRealLittleBIGhead
@TheRealLittleBIGhead Жыл бұрын
@@Jet-ij9zc which is played for laughs and carries zero weight for the characters or the story, making the "consequence" utterly meaningless. Especially when the character does it on purpose, and you know they're going to be right back at it, again & again. It's just the anime studio's way of "softening" it so they can get away with it, without getting criticized for it (and it's maybe a flimsy way to make _themselves_ feel better about doing it). It's them having their cake & eating it too. It's still super gross, and you could debate that it's worse than _not_ having instant retaliation at all.
@ananana5200
@ananana5200 10 ай бұрын
@@Jet-ij9zc oh no, they got a slap on the wrist!
@BlackieChan7.62
@BlackieChan7.62 9 ай бұрын
​@@TheRealLittleBIGhead You are aware it's a cartoon right
@TheRealLittleBIGhead
@TheRealLittleBIGhead 9 ай бұрын
@@BlackieChan7.62 Ye, but cartoons glorifying and perpetuating something awful is obviously still a bad thing even if no actors were directly subjected to it
@serenecatweather5694
@serenecatweather5694 Жыл бұрын
I’m a female…I like fan service…pls let me live 😂
@ducky19991
@ducky19991 Жыл бұрын
When you said anime doesn’t sexualize men, that’s when I knew we watch different types of anime 💀👨🏻‍❤️‍💋‍👨🏼
@AyAReI00
@AyAReI00 Жыл бұрын
Beside yaois and shonen ai....which anime sexualised men ? Showing a male Upper body while being sexy is different as how shows treatfemales tho ... Their direct close ups to boobs or panties in weird poses while the female do t want that !!!! She felt, she didnt know, she has no agency.... Men, happen to exits and being seen while females ....SEE the difference
@Natalia-mj6ee
@Natalia-mj6ee Жыл бұрын
any recommendations? 👉👈
@danceydoll5
@danceydoll5 Жыл бұрын
@@Natalia-mj6eeYuri on Ice, Ouran High School Host Club and Free off the top of my head
@TheAzureGhost
@TheAzureGhost Жыл бұрын
Me whose first contact to someone who likes anime (outside of dragonball or anime they didn't knew were anime) besides my brother was a BL loving fujoshi i met in an online chat back in last year of elementary school, who sent me her fanfictions to read and recommended her favourite manga/anime... Yeah, i saw my fair share of sexualized men in anime/manga in my lifetime.
@ducky19991
@ducky19991 Жыл бұрын
@@Natalia-mj6ee Hitorijime My Hero is my favorite. However unfortunately there’s a lot more BL manga than actual anime because it’s hard to get that type of thing animated by a studio… 😂
@jorgecabral4591
@jorgecabral4591 Жыл бұрын
I related so bad with the shoujo part haha. I'm just a mexican guy in my mid 20s and have been watching anime since I was like 5. I was always exposed to girl shows (not just anime) because of my sister who is 6 years older than me. Eventually, when I really got into anime, I always found shoujo so comforting to read/watch. Even today I'd say about 80% of my current manga list is filled with shoujo and josei. It's insane the amount of stories people are missing out on just because "they're for girls" as if it was a bad thing. Embrace shoujo fellas, you won't regret it.
@lsavage8686
@lsavage8686 Жыл бұрын
The Promised Neverland is more important of a Shonen but the female characters are important to the story (one is a protag) and are written very well. There is absolutely no sexualization whatsoever. They all have there own goals and have strengths and weakness of their own. I strongly recommend the anime and manga for girls or really anyone that want to see something like that.
@lsavage8686
@lsavage8686 Жыл бұрын
@@whatsyourname9581 I know if may feel tp be the bare minimum, but many people whould still write it in that way. Underage girls are still heavily sexuilaized in anime.
@nawa73
@nawa73 Жыл бұрын
I watch the first season and it was great
@hasmhas
@hasmhas Жыл бұрын
Good video. With that said, this video seems more like "Can Women like Anime in Spite of Fanservicer" rather than "Can Women like Fanservice."
@haniehes
@haniehes Жыл бұрын
ok so I didn't care about characters' genders when I first started watching anime but today I love seeing badass or overall well-written female characters but it's not because I'm a girl myself (it's probably because I've seen enough good male characters and less good female ones). I never truly understood what is femininity. I'm just myself and don't label my or others' personalities based on their gender, so that may be why I don't get femininity. Great video, thanks :>❤
@INFERNO95
@INFERNO95 Жыл бұрын
Characters genders were not a big deal back in the day. But over the past seven years media has made race, genders and sexulity the main focus on Characters in entertainment.
@air-headedaviator1805
@air-headedaviator1805 Жыл бұрын
9:00 its so unexpected to here a Claymore mention today! An underrated anime Gem, dark fantasy epic that just stays intense and interesting, without betraying any sense of audience intelligence
@lalas181
@lalas181 Жыл бұрын
Despite the glaring flaws of the English localization that Funimation did, the anime adaptation of Ouran Highschool Host Club was exactly what I needed to see when I was a tween and early teenager who didn't know he was trans yet. When I still thought I was a girl, Haruhi was exactly who I needed to see say what I was also thinking. She genuinely didn't care what gender people saw her as, and that made me feel more normal. The fact that it also had boy characters who were allowed to be pretty and emotional in both comedic and dramatic ways definitely helped me feel less... _incorrect,_ for lack of any better terms. Specifically Tamaki being a hopeless romantic, and Honey getting to be cute and cheerful in ways that in hindsight read to me as "girly" when I was like 12 are important things for how I conceptualize my own trans masculinity now. I wasn't "less of a girl" for what was in hindsight my egg behavior- since that label really did feel right at that time -and I'm not "less of a man" now for being a hopeless romantic that likes sweets and cute things. The English dub is really bad about the Zuka Club (at least in the first episode they're in, anyway) and _weirdly_ transphobic about Haruhi's crossdressing dad, but I do think I'd be worse off now if I didn't see it when I did. Relentlessly 2000's as it is, it still means a lot to me. This isn't even mentioning how Sailor Moon got me through my second mental hospital stay, or how Pokémon, Black Butler, and Studio Ghibli have helped me find my footing and scrape together enough self-confidence to talk to people over the years. Heck, I could go on for ages about how important the manga Uzumaki is to me as the first actual horror thing that kept me up at night after I first read it and somehow actually protrays a really healthy romantic relationship in a genre you'd least expect to find it. Anime was important to me as a girl, and it's now even more important to me as a boy- _especially_ shoujo. Never underestimate shoujo anime and manga. Tomie ran in a shoujo horror magazine. _Tomie._ There really is something in that pool for everybody if you bother to look.
@BearlyAiden
@BearlyAiden Жыл бұрын
Ouran High School Host Club was the first medium of cross dressing I could stand. It did not make me uncomfortable, or embarrassed. It is something I have not come across before or since Ps I'm a trans guy
@SubwaySandwichBossIngo
@SubwaySandwichBossIngo Жыл бұрын
I love these types of videos, I'm a woman myself so seeing other girls and women who I relate to makes me very happy. I for sure need to get into more shoujo, I have seen many, but I still think the majority of stuff I watch is clearly meant for boys, and while I do like plenty of these anime, I am sure I am missing out on so many stories that were created by other women.
@elkeyes
@elkeyes Жыл бұрын
Any video that mentions Fushigi Yugi gets an automatic thumbs up for me. Love that anime, it also one of my core favorites that shaped my anime experience as a teen.
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
Tasuki is my first love
@outakuchan1222
@outakuchan1222 Жыл бұрын
Am planing on watching it but am a bit unsure should I give it a chance 😊
@kathycoleman4648
@kathycoleman4648 Жыл бұрын
Fushigi Yugi fans assemble. XD
@elkeyes
@elkeyes Жыл бұрын
@@outakuchan1222 I believe yes. It has a lot of great characters, serious topics but with some comic relief built in, and one of the rare times a shoujo series got a full anime adaptation to complete the story. The OAVs aren't as solid but still good.
@lordtraxroy
@lordtraxroy Жыл бұрын
The magical girl genre was so groundbreaking of how anime is designed for the modern day
@ontheriseav
@ontheriseav Жыл бұрын
The collab we never knew we needed.
@NuttachaiTipprasert
@NuttachaiTipprasert Жыл бұрын
Can't believe you mentioned Shoujo Isekai without mentioning Magicknight Rayearth. That's still one of my favorite Isekais of all time. And totally agree with you about Ghibli's heroines. They are what people should strive for when writing about a Strong Heroine. They are strong and independent but they EARNED all of those traits and not because someone else handed down the power to them. That's why they are so powerful and relatable. BTW, I'm a guy but I like reading Shoujo manga and I know there are lots of male fans like me out there.
@benevans7564
@benevans7564 Жыл бұрын
Its definitely a series due for a revival.
@MDonuT-of7px
@MDonuT-of7px Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah dawg "The Rose of Versailles" is my Number one GOAT for a reason Shoujo slaps
@nelsama0881
@nelsama0881 11 ай бұрын
There are also two lesser known Shojo-esque anime that came into my mind. Escaflowne and The 12 Kingdoms. Both feature a young female character who learn over time more about themselves and their surroundings. Escaflowne is more romance and mecha fight oriented (every genre is included in the anime, drama, comedy, horror etc.) Twelve Kingdoms focuses more on politics and social norms (more critical)
@modalisk
@modalisk Жыл бұрын
Great video. Don't get caught in the trap of trying to justify yourself to the sexism-deniers. They will just throw a never-ending slew of garbage arguments at you with no intention of ever accepting anything you have to say. There are a lot of toxic anime fans who freak out when you critique their favorite shows, and absolutely nothing you can do to calm them down. Just keep making these videos, keep saying your piece, and don't worry about trying to defend against the thousand different garbage arguments anime fans come up with to pretend anime isn't sexist ("the boys are sexualized too" "it's just not for you" "just watch other shows" "you can't objectify a fictional character" etc. etc. etc. etc.)
@Drstrange3000
@Drstrange3000 Жыл бұрын
They are exhausting.
@cuu9350
@cuu9350 Жыл бұрын
​@@Drstrange3000critiquing is fine, but alot of sexism arguments are stupid and nonsensical!
@Nini-kc5ss
@Nini-kc5ss Жыл бұрын
@@cuu9350what?
@lordtette
@lordtette Жыл бұрын
Where was this comment when I fell into the trap of arguing with them😅
@yukiandkanamekuran
@yukiandkanamekuran Жыл бұрын
@@cuu9350 eh. maybe ppl can mind their own business then? like if u see something thats stupid, you can just ignore it.
@miimamwez
@miimamwez Жыл бұрын
omg I saw a really good video about why boys like anime so I'm excited to see this !!!
@ripleyevil9135
@ripleyevil9135 Жыл бұрын
I love that Anime has something for everyone. The women are beautiful and the men are strong but in anime their characterization and story is what really draws one in.
@SmallpoxQueenOfficial
@SmallpoxQueenOfficial 11 ай бұрын
Your diagnosis: mental retardation By the way, strong males are trash
@redmangoose182
@redmangoose182 Жыл бұрын
The censor blur over the feet is PEAK content creator genius.
@CasualTakeswithArchie
@CasualTakeswithArchie Жыл бұрын
The censored feet got me dying laughing 🤣🤣🤣
@C4six-two-one
@C4six-two-one Жыл бұрын
I'm just a guy and don't feel like I should comment here, but I haven't seen one of my favorite "shojou type" anime mentioned. "Land of the Lustrous" It's similar to Claymore as in the cast is primarily women. All the characters are distinctive and beautifully written and they all help each other grow and learn. I'm genuinely upset more people haven't heard about it.
@kazmori6981
@kazmori6981 Жыл бұрын
Land of the Lustrous is technically a seinen (adult male demographic), though it's kind of a funny case where it feels like it slides more into "seinen as a default, any-gender demographic" than "seinen for men." I'd also put Hourou Musuko/Wandering Son in this camp. These kinds of series are drawn and written by women and have a very tangible shoujo/josei feel, as you noted, but because they are technically categorized as "male demographic" it's hard to figure out where to fit them in this conversation. The shoujo/josei label in and of itself does often lead people to write series off, while those same people may give more leeway to series like Land of the Lustrous because it's 'seinen.' When you look at the discussion around the dearth of shoujo/josei anime or how low quality they are, for example, it's not a coincidence that Land of the Lustrous and Wandering Son were actually given well-produced, high budget anime adaptations, in contrast to shoujo or josei manga getting lower budget or non-existent anime adaptations. (Though Land of the Lustrous got hit with the 'no second season' bat, so maybe it's a real josei after all 🥲) It's a complicated subject! But Land of the Lustrous is a beautiful series and I agree with your recommendation. (Though I dunno if I'd consider the cast to be female character representation, since they're kinda genderless, but they do definitely read as more feminine to a western audience.)
@Anime_relateablex
@Anime_relateablex Жыл бұрын
This video was great! Really appreciate sharing your experience and perspective!
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Impalassy
@Impalassy Жыл бұрын
I really liked this video! I am a straight guy, and wanted to make sure anime the medium that i love to interact with wasn't just misogyny for misogyny's sake. I like your disection of the surface level perception of anime and how it truly is more than that. There are tons and tons of anime and manga for women, written by women and have strong female leads. Its a shame that some bad characters can indeed be female and written by females but the same can be said for men too. I just want competent writers making competent characters and stories. You made me realize that... Shirtless, strong dudes aren't really for women at all. Their for young boys to try and insert themselves into the power fantasy of being strong and able to tear apart a city block with a single punch. Like in the last season of demon slayer there is a shirtless enemy with stone dragons. I remember going "This guy is so fucking cool and imposing." He looks cool cause he is strong and shirtless. I want you Inakyu to continue to make whatever videos you want! I am glad this one exists cause many girls are sure to go through the same worries about how fanservicey and horny anime can be. And become unable to relate to anything this medium can offer.
@kandii888
@kandii888 Жыл бұрын
As someone who has been watching anime since i was a child, i took a very long break watching it in my teen years due to the exact issues you discussed. I have recently rediscovered my love for anime and i realized that there is sooooo much other anime other than the popular ones (which i do enjoy lol). Im even reading mangas now 😊
@andyzuleta5344
@andyzuleta5344 Жыл бұрын
Dude , same here !!! I’ve been reading a lot of manga lately I discovered lately. I finally broke off my break from anime because of some the fan services, I didn’t mind but at some point it was insane , before you’ll get laughed at or scare the normal girls . Personally I like mangas more because I feel like it’s less cringe, depending on what series I’m reading or watching
@georgiprenatt8270
@georgiprenatt8270 Жыл бұрын
I’m bisexual so I enjoy fanservice just as much as guys do (except for certain series).
@Snugboy
@Snugboy Жыл бұрын
I am one of the boys but I have always waaaaaay preferred shoujo for all the reasons you said! They feel more like real people with actual thoughts that I a regular person would have. Big ups to Sailor Moon, Inuyasha, Little Witch Academia, Yona of the Dawn, every Ghibli movie ever, and to the goat of all time The Girl Who Leapt Through Time. Really great video!!
@user-SaputroYono
@user-SaputroYono Жыл бұрын
​@phantomxero1x447 Very low
@AkutagawaSan
@AkutagawaSan Жыл бұрын
Also if you want a show that has well written female characters then watch Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood. Every character is important and the story is made by an amazing female mangaka. She only had one moment if fanservice and that was with the one character for a one time gag. Never happens again. The best female character in the series in my opinion is Mrs. Izumi Curtis. She is powerful and the mentor of the main protagonist, also having no over sexualization of her and her character is not just one thing. She is a character that will steal your heart.
@britt6184
@britt6184 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Not to mention that Izumi and her husband are my favorite couple in that series. They have such sweet interactions and I love how their relationship is still going strong even after the terrible loss of their child and not being able to have any more.
@AkutagawaSan
@AkutagawaSan Жыл бұрын
@@britt6184 I love the relationship and I think it is the best as well. Ed and Rin are the second. But I love how he is always there to catch her when she is not okay and how she is someone you can rely on when you need help. Also my favorite scene of her are when she met both homunculus and attacked them. Then introduced herself.
@Lookabovethis
@Lookabovethis Ай бұрын
This title seems a bit misleading. It says that girls can like it, however; the entire video merely speaks about accepting it and not liking it. I do not really care for it, as a man, but I'm sure it as some reason existing, or else it wouldn't exist so widely in beloved animes. Also, the time in gurren lagaan is odd. In the cave place, she's underaged, but in the real world, her age is 18. The author stated that time worked differently down there, and they got confused, so she was always an adult! Guys can get the same treatment as girls. Period.
@Tenchinu
@Tenchinu Жыл бұрын
Definitely missed Revolutionary Girl Utena there. most badass girl in anime, while addressing directly what it means to be the prince, and a woman in a story
@carloskingdomh
@carloskingdomh 5 ай бұрын
yes many women can like fanservice, many women love characters wether male or woman being sexualized if you dont thats ok but dont act like you are in the moral highground above others cause that makes you look bad, japan know who the target audience of most animes are and thats men and most men like the sexualized aspect of anime wchis is normal and they cater to them something that the west is failing so at least i can say i respect them for doing what they love and giving the audience what they want hope they keep providing fanservice and ecchi for many years to come. and if you like fanservice or at least tolerate it i respect that
@NoaWarrior
@NoaWarrior Жыл бұрын
I truly appreciate this kind of videos. When I try to talk about how women are portrayed in anime there's always a kind of tired response that goes "Well, it's just part of the medium" Which I guess, fair enough, but it's still important to talk about it and try to understand it.
@skilledredwinggaming1585
@skilledredwinggaming1585 Жыл бұрын
The editing was great. Also I liked that I got more shoujo recommendations. It was also great how you sounded naturally enthusiastic and encouraging when discussing this topic. I really like this video as someone who is getting used to shoujo and expanding my taste
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
ahh thanks Q!
@mikejfile9070
@mikejfile9070 Жыл бұрын
It’s always sad when I get to the end of your videos. They’re great!
@Channel-23s
@Channel-23s Жыл бұрын
7:18 hard disagreement on the dudes aren’t made to be looked at as sexy seeing as how dudes got shirts and pants off and you’re acting as if men and women don’t think muscle isn’t sexy that’s cap dudes btw do it because it gets you stronger healthy and sexy as for fan service it’s a gray area same with gore and can be it’s own genre a pillar of anime better to stay then not makes it unique
@furihreunsicherheit3624
@furihreunsicherheit3624 Жыл бұрын
What an outstanding cross over!! Love everything about this. Stan both y'all's channels ✨💖
@scarletrhapsodyconventiontea
@scarletrhapsodyconventiontea Жыл бұрын
I had to reflect on this question as I'm working on my book on navigating fandom in the Y2K. As a kid of the 90's, I'm glad that my intro to anime was Sailor Moon. It was unapologetically girly. It wasn't afraid to showcase different types of girls coming together for a common cause. It didn't talk down on the audience and I appreciated the all female ensemble. I couldn't wait to check out a new episode after school because I had to time my VCR to record each episode because I'm at school. I honestly think it really depends on the genre. Shoujo aimed towards girls has been my haven when I was tween.
@shimiarts
@shimiarts Жыл бұрын
I always loved fanservice moments as a kid as long as they were between whoever I was shipping in the series. 😂 All the other moments I was desensitised to. I watched my anime on youtube and back in the day, people posted the most crazy, uncensored shows there. I was so small and stupid. I remember my favourite anime at 10 was Panty & Stocking. Before that I had watched ranma, Please Teacher, Ikki Tousen. These shows were not for my age group AT ALL but they did introduce me to sexuality, they also made me more open to same sex relationships and taught me not to judge girls by what they wear because they have the ability to be badass, no matter how they dress (be this in a skimpy uniform, full on armour or an adorable dress). I love all facets of anime honestly. So yes I like fan-service, not for the same reasons that guys like it, but because it represents how anime is free to do whatever the hell it wants. (Which I love but is both good and bad 😅)
@evers33n
@evers33n Жыл бұрын
I watched Ranma when I was 11-12 with my mom and we both found nothing majorly wrong with it! From what I remember, the “fanservice” consisted of bathing scenes and some bikini outfits. My mom had no problem with either because she knew women wearing bikinis at the beach and taking baths were regular behavior. Plus, Akane stuck up for herself and didn’t take any crap from Ranma, so she was a positive role model in that regard. I’m 16 now and Ranma kind of helped with undoing the aversion to the slightest bit of nudity that my heavily Christian father instilled in me, so I’ll always thank it for that!
@MissElora
@MissElora Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your KZbin videos! As a fan, I find them incredibly entertaining,insightful,educational. Keep up the fantastic work.
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@MissElora
@MissElora Жыл бұрын
@@inakyuthank you for your reply 😊 it's my pleasure.Your video was really amazing! I'm seriously in love of your talent and the effort you put into creating such engaging content. Keep up the fantastic work, I'm definitely a fan 🥰
@onewe6284
@onewe6284 Жыл бұрын
Omgggg you and Colleen are two of my favourite youtubeers for anime commentary videos ...dammm i am too happy 😭
@LpsAngel031
@LpsAngel031 10 ай бұрын
how is this video so long and yet so surface level 😭
@Dorodere89
@Dorodere89 Жыл бұрын
Card Captor Sakura, I will never forget this sunday morning, when I was about 15 years old and I thought I woke up so early I could watch some TV. so I sneeked into the living room, trying to not wake up anyone just to find my father watching a strange show I didn't knew. he looked at me, shocked, embarrased, than explained the plot to me. it was the 6th episode and up until than he watched it every sunday morning by himself while having his first cup of coffee to relax. he said he thought it was a movie he could play in the background while reading newspaper (like, you know, for having some noise around you), but he realized it was a show and he needed to know the ending, because he was not able to life without knowing the ending of stories he begun. it was quite hilarious. since than we would watch it together, it became out little secret. at the end, he thought it was quite a nice series he would want his granddaughter to watch (if he got one someday), because he thought it would be inspiring for little girls.
@PoetryAndTofu
@PoetryAndTofu Жыл бұрын
I'm a guy who grew up on shounen anime because, like your upbringing, that's all that was featured around me. But with some help from GA pals around me, I found so many wonderful shoujos that were so refreshing. Despite what some people think, I simultaneously love a lot of content for boys/men but get absolutely tired of it as the default. I want to see romance, emale action and whatever else these mediums can provide. I'm so thankful the superhero genre is dying off and that we're getting movies like Barbie to hopefully set up trends in Hollywood. Beautiful points all around and I'll be subscribing for more!
@crediblesalamander8056
@crediblesalamander8056 Жыл бұрын
I feel like there's an untapped gold mine of Shojou anime murder mysteries/thrillers. Anything relating to serial killers or (true) crime seems to have an overwhelmingly female demographic but there's not much anime or manga that caters to that for some reason.
@PoetryAndTofu
@PoetryAndTofu Жыл бұрын
@@crediblesalamander8056 I'm feelin it. Let's call up some professionals to get on it
@bloodyrose1995
@bloodyrose1995 Жыл бұрын
Oh I was happy seeing Colleen! Great video all around 🥰 I just really love when creators I like work together!
@jcwt_pdx
@jcwt_pdx Жыл бұрын
I can, and I’m a woman. 💜
@vee4771
@vee4771 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god a crossover episode with one of my favorite Women-Centric Anime/Manga Channels?! I had already subbed pretty early into the video, but wow this makes me want a podcast with all of the prominent women ani-tubers!
@missstranger7697
@missstranger7697 Жыл бұрын
"Can women like fanservice?". That is a gem question to ask these days...
@Jet-ij9zc
@Jet-ij9zc Жыл бұрын
I mean, you just have to look at cosplay/convention to see that the answer is a resounding yes.
@Hepheat75
@Hepheat75 Жыл бұрын
You made a lot of good points. Good video 👍
@assiuq
@assiuq Жыл бұрын
While I have enjoyed the video quite a lot, and I do feel like it provided me with new insight, I can't help but feel it failed to be about fanservice. It's more of a, "yes, fanservice sucks, but here's what doesn't have it and is fun!" Hell, going by the timestamps, the fanservice portion of the video is shorter than the ad read (although the section "anime is more than shounen" did also touch on the topic). The video seems to paint all type of fanservice as bad, and while it is the case most of the time, I do believe it can be done in a tasteful way. There's a difference between, "haha, isn't SA funny?" in show like Fire Force, and something out of Chainsaw Man. Seeing it on your shelf, I had expected it to come up at some point and was quite surprised to see it never did.
@noahdor3142
@noahdor3142 Жыл бұрын
Unexpected Colleen cameo. I only found your channel after the algorithm sent me here after I watched all of Colleen’s videos. Glad y’all are connected.
@alphakowaclips
@alphakowaclips Жыл бұрын
Another good mention is Skip beat, about a girl driven by revenge/betrayal by becoming an actor but found passion in it. There's an old anime but it's only 24 episodes while the manga is 280+ chapters and art got so much better now
@dash-balder
@dash-balder Жыл бұрын
The shojo isekai bit dragged me back to watching Inu Yasha and Escaflowne and getting bootlegs of Fushigi Yugi from my bowling buddy. Bless.
@zigzag8392
@zigzag8392 Жыл бұрын
Great video! It’s close to impossible for perfect media to exist. Every show is likely going to have things you dislike, and the things you dislike might not be the same thing they dislike or I dislike. Or the things you dislike change from age 15 to age 30. Being a fan of anime means needing to be critical of what is depicted. So many shows have poor examples of sex, or violence, or nihilistic death. You’re constantly making judgements about what’s acceptable or disturbing, and choosing when you can ignore the problems or need to drop a series. One of the strengths of good shows is not being so heavy handed or moralistic, but in being grey or ambiguous in the characters’ flaws. It requires a critical eye that not all viewers are willing to provide.
@INFERNO95
@INFERNO95 Жыл бұрын
Like Evangelion?
@dandelion_fritters
@dandelion_fritters Жыл бұрын
I’ve loved anime because it helped to see the girls with big boobs like me unashamedly bouncing around with my body image. Even though they meant it as a joke, it was up front for all to see without the threat of another person getting on them to put them away because the men don’t understand that they just can’t deflate them like how men in churches think they function.
@gandalainsley6467
@gandalainsley6467 Жыл бұрын
And feminists say that anime has unrealistic female body standards.
@ladynoluck
@ladynoluck Жыл бұрын
​@@gandalainsley6467It does, and it's not just about breasts. As a woman with big breasts myself, there is a difference between larger breasts and breasts that fully have a mind of their own/breasts that are impossibly large and/or placed on children (e.g., Dragon Maid).
@gandalainsley6467
@gandalainsley6467 Жыл бұрын
@@ladynoluck Dragon maid is not a child, just a tiny lady. There are a lot of those in real life. Also yes I know that some anime have interesting sizes of booba.
@ladynoluck
@ladynoluck Жыл бұрын
@@gandalainsley6467 I'm talking about the child-coded teen with breasts the size of 4 heads each. Not the main Dragon Maid character.
@gandalainsley6467
@gandalainsley6467 Жыл бұрын
@@ladynoluck I don't know who that is. The show wasn't for me so i did not get far.
@farnregen
@farnregen Жыл бұрын
It's so weird to me to hear "woman can be ninjas too". I never had that while watching anything - not that I recall atleast. And I can't really connect to shojou manga, school romance stuff with the typical girl… Okay I really liked Maid-Sama. Don't know why, but yeah, was good. I loved Gaara and L, Gaara because I felt it. I connected to him. And L because he loved sweets like me and he is cool. One Piece I loved because of the story, fights and powers… and chracters.. but it is to long for me. Okay tbh, I connect more to BoysLove than Romance, weird thing Ik But I never thought abot gender or my identity as a girl/woman or had that experince, so it sounds weird to me to hear that.
@Rex13013
@Rex13013 Жыл бұрын
It sounded weird to me and I'm a guy lol, I never really see it as a "power fantasy" but more like watching cool characters do cool things, I mean it's entertainment after all. Yeah you would want to be cool like them, but not "yeah! I'm ready power lift and be misogynist today" nor "why is this woman being a hero" when everyone loved Mulan growing up , same with shows like PPG, My life as a teenage robot, and Kim Possible, same with movies like terminator or alien. No one that I knew thinks of their gender 24/7 if at all, and nobody used to question women in main roles either.
@symbioticmango
@symbioticmango Жыл бұрын
I LOVE this conversation. I'm 28 and found anime likely when I was 4-5 too, my sisters liked Sailor Moon and I would catch Dragon Ball on at night. Then I found Mew Mew Cute, then Magical Witch Do Re Mi, before I knew it I was ripping Vocaloid songs from Nico Nico onto my iPod shuffle. Chobits, Host Club, and Lucky Star in particular were hugely influential to me (for better or worse).
@joeben2241
@joeben2241 Жыл бұрын
I got sold on claymore when my friend said "okay imagine Berserk But...….females".
@redmoonbloodmoon3161
@redmoonbloodmoon3161 Жыл бұрын
Clare truly is Guts' Long Lost Sister of the Sword, grins :D
@marvelbattlesandmore8592
@marvelbattlesandmore8592 Жыл бұрын
As a guy claymore is a really great manga. Made it to chapter 266, but it was great. Berserk is also amazing.
@princemannic
@princemannic Жыл бұрын
the setup in the sponsor setup LOOKS FIRE i need to step my game up
@ready2
@ready2 11 ай бұрын
It is pretty annoying that shounen anime has to be criticized from a female standpoint while it is FOR BOYS originally and should not need to care for what girls think while shoujo anime can keep only catering to girls exclusively. The usual crap of only the "male gaze" being problematic but the "female gaze" is a-okay.
@anotherrandomguy8871
@anotherrandomguy8871 8 ай бұрын
It’s just the same “ew that’s for boys, this thing for girls is superior” stuff from elementary school. I see this happen for any hobby or media that seems to be mostly partaken in by men, or directed at men (comics, sports, games, novels, etc), from women who don’t necessarly even like it, but still watch or partake in the media despite accusing that hobby or media sexist. You’ll see some women critsize Shounen or any media as “male gaze” as a bad thing, acting as if the target audience literally wasn’t male or if their own targeted media doesn’t do the same things that can be deemed “objectfying”.
@ivanpedro9151
@ivanpedro9151 Жыл бұрын
8:14 "the men make the tittie mouse pads, the girls make the fan edits" literally the best summary of the anime fanbase ive ever seen
@oscardasilva468
@oscardasilva468 Жыл бұрын
Also women definitely enjoy fanservice shounen ai expressions in works like "Free!".
@AraumC
@AraumC Жыл бұрын
I love F. D. Signifier's video so much, I'm so glad it inspired you to make this!
@Asummersdaydreamer14
@Asummersdaydreamer14 Жыл бұрын
Talking about Ghibli female characters, Shizuku from Whisper of the Heart needs more attention and the reveal of When Marnie was There totally fooled me-if you know you know
@KennethSaul
@KennethSaul Жыл бұрын
🤔 demonslayer is misogynistic? I mean there is definitely fanservice but there seems to be quite a few powerful women in the series overall 🤷🏻‍♂️
@Exsulator2
@Exsulator2 10 ай бұрын
When everything is misogynistic... nothing is....
@hopalongjens
@hopalongjens Жыл бұрын
As a guy I started to enjoy anime more when I opened myself up to watching genres outside of shonen action, especially when I discovered how much I get sucked into romance anime particularly lol. That being said, I felt uncomfortable since so many of them would lewd the women who were usually high schoolers. Discovering shojo romance specifically has been great because for me it feels like a relaxing change of pace for an anime that’s more calming and fun, while also giving two lead characters that actually feel like equals, compared to a few nameless shonen romance I’ve encountered. Great video!!
@wolfranger5526
@wolfranger5526 Жыл бұрын
same found myself slowly drift away into shojo and slice of life romance.
@EC-qz2kw
@EC-qz2kw 4 ай бұрын
the "uncomfortable" part is always bullshit.
@kyurei4478
@kyurei4478 Жыл бұрын
I would argue some animes such as Fairy Tail do sexualize men for a female audience. It's clearly presented in a suggestive way sometimes, but for sure there is only a few in comparison.
@SmallpoxQueenOfficial
@SmallpoxQueenOfficial 11 ай бұрын
how did you get it, muscular males are not sexual objectification, muscular males are disgusting, and only the males themselves and short-sighted females like them, but muscular females are cool, of course if anime makes muscular females, it is of course just as pathetic as everyone else in anime
@Exsulator2
@Exsulator2 10 ай бұрын
Now do some math, consider the statistics for ratios of how many male vs female viewers there are of anime - you'd probably find that in a world where 50 % of audience were female, you could forsee a huge increase in sexualization of males. Also we could count all the shirtless guys as being sexualized.... because unlike the statements in this video, "shirtless men" does absolutely nothing for normal males, and is not part of any "bro-fantasy". Come on now, lets count what you'd count in a gender bended scenario... at least do that... Also lets factor in how attraction works differently in general for the two genders. For males it's frankly too easy to be attracted, and super-duper easy to cater to it for the writers of anime, anytime, anywhere. When writers have the same intention to arouse female audience, it'd be done less blatantly and it'd seem more like a "romantic" storyline, which I bet the feminists are going to ignore, "since it's so nice with romance" - must go nicely with those double standards, it's still about arousing the audience. But yes, even despite all this, I'd say females are obviously more sexualized than males. The point is just... it's not really an extreme difference.
@kyurei4478
@kyurei4478 10 ай бұрын
No need for the maths here. I mean, you probably SHOULD be able to forsee a huge increase in sexualization of males in a perfect world. But can you realistically forsee it in our modern era despite the 50% female audience? I really doubt it for now. I don't think she's entirely wrong with the shirtless men being a part of a bro-fantasy and being made for a male audience. I think there is a difference to make when it's sexualized and when it isn't. When it's presented in a not particularly sexualized but still suggestive way, I think it's indeed made for the bro-fantasy life, like it would be for girls' make up, haircut to make them look pretty and so on. The difference is quite subtle though I'll admit. I agree that man sexualization definitely exists in animes though. It's just really rare in comparison to female sexualization. There is fundamentally no difference regarding how attraction works between the two genders. It's just general social differences deeply rooted in society writers clinge to and reproduce as if it was a biological truth because they've always been told it is this way. And the audience does as well, just like she said with female writers who reproduce these tropes of differences in attraction like men are easier to attract and things like that. Trying to attract women with romance is also one of these old tropes, like only girls read shojos. The reality is vastly different. Not going for the tropes means explicit sexualization should also be presented to girls. I think the problem is just it's never presented to girls the same way in the first place so as a woman you can even start to believe you have to love romance because you're a girl. As she says in the video, the first anime audience is still men so the difference in sexualization between both genders is still huge. Even in a gender bended scenario, woman sexualization is still way more present on average.
@Exsulator2
@Exsulator2 10 ай бұрын
Can agree with some points here, but attraction do really work differently for the genders generally speaking. The research that supported your views that I found, was quite jarringly reductive of how attraction works (and often super politically charged and biased, btw). For instance a big part of the research was tests where they show sexualized pictures and measure brain activity to compare differences between genders, in order to conclude there's no difference between them when the brain activity seems to "flare up similarly" in similar areas. So the whole premise for the test, is a reductive understanding of attraction based on... images and flaring brain activity? What about actions, words, gradually getting to know somebody, what about the real world, the real experience of feeling attraction. What about romance? Does the test measure that? It's not a reliable method. There's so much more to attraction than what the biased excuse for "science" by liberal agenda on the topic makes it out to be. And when I looked at people's answers about their own attraction, there seems to be much more difference in the way females vs males answer. I suggest doing this, really go and google and find forum posts with people sharing how they believe they are attracted. But anyway, this is just a typical case of "statistics and numbers are easy to manipulate to mean anything". The biased agenda you're talking about is trying to make it seem like there are no differences between males and females, in order to achieve some notion of equality... but it's just another case of spreading misinformation for sake of politics.@@kyurei4478
@kyurei4478
@kyurei4478 10 ай бұрын
@Exsulator2 I sadly have to disagree here though. Attraction doesn't work differently for the genders in general. The differences rather reveal in isolated cases, not a generality. I didn't pick a particular test to say this and point at an invalid research right away. Your own claim seems reductive in the first place. The studies that support a difference between male and female attraction are already heavily influenced by the internalization of the patriarcal tropes which biases thiese results and provoke these differences. It's well known that all of this starts from infancy. Beside that, it's actually a less biased way to measure it by looking at the brain activity directly. Words are also much more left to interpretation and don't necessarely produce the same effect from one individual to another. It's a reductive understanding of attraction solely based on your own opinion on attraction. All the points you're mentioning: action, getting to know somebody and so on are already common to both. But all of these aspects themselves are heavily influenced and shaped by our social context. Even brain activity despite being the most detached aspect to measure isn't totally unbiased cause it's also used to it. It's specifically by detaching it from the real world that you can measure it as fairly as possible cause the world isn't supposed to have any sort of influence if these differences are fundamental and excluded from any context. Doing it another way would be heavily biased. Maybe there is more to attraction, I don't deny that. But the origin of it is only cultural and social constructions and has nothing to do with biological origin. No need to try to validate someone's own profound beliefs through Science to try to legitimate it more by creating clans between men and women. Modern society is already doing its work even without such claims. No need to try to discredit any scientific research by bringing politic either. Of course there is differences in many people's responses because of the influence of their social context that shapes their habits. We prefer directly hiding or ostracize the different responses as if they were insignificant and out of normality and don't actually exist whitout even questioning why many answers are identical and why these different answers exist. Exactly, it *seems* to be. But when you don't listen to people but actually observe their daily behavior, you'll realize that these differences are actually more superficial. An answer needs to be formulated, instinctive actions and behaviors don't. Dishonesty is very common too. I suggest reading actual scientific research instead of asking people things they've always been used to mimic and receive the same way since childhood. If you search on forums and Google you'll probably find very standard and genderless answers and comments, as well as the exact opposite with feminist or macho opinions. But I guess these extremes ones obviously aren't real because they could never be acceptable right? This double standard is just an excuse for saving prehistoric tropes about human biology. The only differences are the ones humans create for themselves by giving some sort of meaning to simple biological and functional differences like color, origin and so on. At least other animals aren't dumb enough to fight against the other gender of their own species which is nonsensical and simply suicidal. Statistics and numbers don't mean anything from the moment you guide it a certain way from the origin (which isn't a fatality but it's at least better to be conscious of it). The biased agenda is the one desperately trying to make you believe there is fundamental differences between men and women when it comes to attraction to conserve any form of patriarcal influence caused by the fear of redefining the view on reality and losing points of reference installed since millenias of historical biased opinions and laws on gender. Everything humanity has been doing through History is slowly making it disappear through Science and wisdom anyway. Equality isn't something to achieve but something that has always naturally existed and would simply be in peace if humans could stop assuming differences that have no actual biological basis, only to validate their subjective view. They've been doing this since the dawns of time because of their judgemental nature. All of this caused by the ego of wanting to keep a form of edge over women by a fear of feeling inferior and the taboo of admitting things women do that aren't socially accepted for their gender. You'll notice that every man or woman who doesn't care about these two notions whatsoever behaves in a much more similar way. And these two notions are inherited from our social context but it's slowly disappearing thankfully. That's why you can see more and more exotic behaviors for men and women cause people stop giving any form of meaning to genders and dare to free from it. The laws of attraction don't have to exist.
@rawlenyanzi6686
@rawlenyanzi6686 Жыл бұрын
A few thoughts: - I remember that one of the things people noticed about manga in the 2000s was how much of it was aimed at a female audience *and* how much of it was drawn by women. - I do think that women like the shirtless men because…they draw and share horny fan art of their favorite male characters. Power fantasies and horny fantasies are not necessarily exclusive. - Inuyasha was the high water mark for isekai; nothing has topped it since. - Although I liked my action series, I sometimes read the girly stuff and enjoyed it, and I don’t consider myself that progressive (side note: my fave character in Gundam Wing was…Lucrezia Noin, followed by Relena Peacecraft.) - I watched Sailor Moon in my middle school years, but I never told anyone at school at the time. - The male gaze is 100% legitimate when the content is aimed at a male audience. It’s a tool like any other storytelling device.
@ultimatejager4058
@ultimatejager4058 Жыл бұрын
And let's remember lots of the animes we criticize for having a big amount of female sexualization and male gaze moments are SHONEN, which literally means "anime made for an audience of adolecent boys"
@rawlenyanzi6686
@rawlenyanzi6686 Жыл бұрын
@@ultimatejager4058 That’s true. Not all anime - or media, for that matter - is for everyone.
@kazmori6981
@kazmori6981 Жыл бұрын
YEAHHH a fellow GW women liker!! Some 15 years ago I swear literally couldn't walk down the internet street without running into a Relena hater. It was so frustrating when she was such a great character with so much depth and growth. Noin was great too, and Sally Po was super underrated. (I love Une too, but that's more of a guilty pleasure. I just was so wildly entertained by how off the wall she was in so many directions.) GW's cast of female characters had so much dynamism and variety. Super underappreciated. I can't attest to the quality of the anime since I've only read the novels, but if you liked Inuyasha and you're looking for another good isekai, I recommend The Twelve Kingdoms. The one thing I'll say about the shirtless men is, it's not that women don't like it, it's that it's not made for the purpose of appealing to women. Otherwise there'd be a lot more slash fanart of DBZ 😂 That's not hot to girls, it's just cool to guys. Most later stuff is drawn 'prettier' so the muscles become more appealing to women into dudes, but that's incidental. That's why it's not equivalent to cheesecake fanservice of women, which IS made and intended for dudes into women (even though women also enjoy it!) But since the 2000s it's been more and more the case that shounen is aware of its female demographic and /does/ increasingly play into it on purpose. (Stuff like Kuroshitsuji is technically published in a shounen magazine, lol.) But if you look into it, it's not shirtless muscular men that women really get into, it's the emotional bonds, charisma, and good-looking faces. That's why shoujo and josei doesn't really have a lot of artists who are good at drawing muscular men 😂 Shirtless men in shoujo look borderline anemic
@rawlenyanzi6686
@rawlenyanzi6686 Жыл бұрын
@@kazmori6981 Yup, I never understood the hate for Relena. Maybe it was because her parts weren’t as action-heavy, or maybe her involvement took away from the “toughness” of the show? I don’t know. I have heard of Twelve Kingdoms, but I never got around to it. If I do try it, it’ll likely be through its anime. Regarding muscular men, I think the rough female equivalent is pretty dresses. The dresses *can* look good to men depending on the length, shape, and cut, but scenes of ladies in lovely dresses are generally not aimed at men; they’re aimed at women, since they embody the female power fantasy of being the best-looking (and thus the most powerful socially.) So I recognize what you - and Inakyu - are driving at now.
@kazmori6981
@kazmori6981 Жыл бұрын
@@rawlenyanzi6686 yeah exactly! I think that's a large part of why some women enjoy cheesecake/fanservice, too (along with just being attracted to other women obv). Being hot=higher social value, not just in the eyes of men. It feels good to look good! I think it's a more complicated subject than just "fanservice good" or "fanservice bad," or for that matter "power fantasy good" or "power fantasy bad." I think these kinds of depictions can be super fun and inspiring and fulfilling, but on the other hand the more kids compare themselves to these images the more they can have a toxic impact on girls and boys both tbh. Between media depictions and everyone posting themselves on social media, it feels like standards for appearances keep going up, and eating disorders and stuff like that go up right along with it. There's stories about like teenage boys dying from steroid overuse and stuff these days. I worry for kids man.
@chuckhaynes9166
@chuckhaynes9166 Жыл бұрын
This crossed my feed, and I really enjoyed it. Im a much older male fan starting in the mid 80's (that old), and I can say that originally Shonen wasnt a big part of anime brought to the west at the time. However what was brought over was generally very positive as far as women go. You mention some Rumic work here, for example. However even the science fiction low brow stuff was really good. I was such a fan of "Bubblegum Crisis" and Priss that I named my truck after her and put custom graphics on it (highly recommended by the way...in fact, I think you need to take a time machine into the past and see how much excellent, female oriented anime there was back in the late 80s to 90s time period) Im more of seinan fan, and im actually only now watching shonen, and that mostly because modern shonen is blurring the lines with more adult type content. I think there is a childish, playful element to the fan service that western audiences have trouble appreciating, even red blooded guy like myself get impatient with constant bombardment. Im context however, I dont think anime/manga as a general rule is sexist, in fact its open enough to argue with itself in that regard and I appreciate it. Anyway, thank you for this video.
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your thoughts and watching!! I also never considered that it was mostly Seinen anime when it first started appearing in the west-neat to think about
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 Жыл бұрын
@@inakyu Wished you went away< from fanservice-heavy stuff and Chainsaw-Man and such and towards Classics
@ilovemycats9150
@ilovemycats9150 Жыл бұрын
when i was younger i used to like fanservice (cuz i was queer) but at the same time it made me compare my body to other girls a lot. i was 11 but it made me think how if i had no boobs i was unnatractive and no guy would ever like me. that stopped after watching other type of animes other than the ones filled with fanservice. though it let me feel attracted towards women, even if I didn't put it into words at that time, it also had those counterpoints and made me feel bad about myself and other women
@roxassora2706
@roxassora2706 Жыл бұрын
I was in a similar situation.
@ultimatejager4058
@ultimatejager4058 Жыл бұрын
So you missed all the fanservice involving flat-chested girls, and there's A LOT
@sesquipedalian6278
@sesquipedalian6278 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video a lot, thank you. You gave voice to some things I've felt but not really understood. I'm an old fart that is starting to get back into anime, because of my younger family members' growing interest. They've been gracious enough to let me tagalong as they experience Miyazaki and it's been really fun to hear and share our perspectives on aesthetics and themes. However, as we near the end of the collection and they've grown keen to find new animanga, I've had some apprehensions with engaging further because of the issues you've raised here along with a few other common motifs of which I've grown wary. By no means would I infringe on them finding stories on their own or intrude on what they want to see independently. I want them to have the same freedom that once brought me into animanga, because the medium has so many riveting stories and ideas not reflected elsewhere. But when they asked me to provide recommendations and help find them new animes, I've been somewhat at a loss and until now, confused as to why I've been so reticent. Not only did your video clarify this dissonance, it's given me some new genres to explore and, if they want, watch together. Thanks!
@dollhousie
@dollhousie Жыл бұрын
I've always loved anime ever since I was 5 and saw Sailor Moon on TV. I usually watch the more popular animes airing every season (mostly shonen) but this past year, I've had to hop off the shonen train just because of how tired I am of seeing the same tropes, fan service and female characters written poorly. I found you and Colleen's YT channels and I've been watching/reading so much shojo and josei this past year and I'm truly happy. So many gems I've slept on because I was too busy watching the popular shonen shows. I'm having to play catch up! I'm so glad more and more people are appreciating shojo/josei and it's thanks to the youtubers who make videos and recommend them. Thank you!
@inakyu
@inakyu Жыл бұрын
shounen burn out can be real but yesss the shoujo train is happy to have you! you are too sweet!! thank you!!
@gibs7320
@gibs7320 Жыл бұрын
such a great vid!!
@Koenma2
@Koenma2 Жыл бұрын
Growing up as the younger brother, most of what I read was shoujo that I stole from my older sister. 😅 As a high anxiety Middle Schooler (we kinda all were, right?) I found them to be so relatable despite gender. Super Saiyans & Ninjas are cool, but a story where complex feelings are handled with more than just beating the hell outta somebody. And I absolutely LOVED Fushigi Yuugi! That may have been my first Non-Cartoon Network anime. Sheeeit, I'm about to go buy a dvd player just to watch it.
@Luna-pk7gz
@Luna-pk7gz Жыл бұрын
IK a lot of shonens are like that but Naruto is not a good example to use.
@Chris-th5fl
@Chris-th5fl Жыл бұрын
growing up, i knew some girls that like the fanservice and sometimes messed with the boys in class about it. They thought it was funny, especially when male fanservice comes on.
@magiclover9346
@magiclover9346 Жыл бұрын
The twelve kingdoms is a gem. By far one of the best adventure anime. One of the best examples of the heroes journey and world building out there
@abim0pect0re
@abim0pect0re Жыл бұрын
HELLO COLLEEN edit: i finished the video and it was a wonderful one, thank you!!💚
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