Incapable Dwarves and the WRONG Rings - Rings of Power IN-DEPTH - Season 2, Ep 5, Part 1

[@cryptomomentz]

I'm upset the Númenóreans stopped saying "the sea is always right!"

[@villematiashaukia9633]

They tried the line "The sea is always politically correct!" but it didn't sound good.

[@artimusprime626]

Turns out the sea was fact checked and a number of it's claims were false or misleading.

[@eddielombardo]

They must be using a different AI program to write this season.

[@richardviguurs5488]

I guess the sea gave the show a bad review

[@RonCondon]

The sea will be "right" when the tsunami wipes this travesty off the story......

[@frankvandorp2059]

Bob the Catering Guy must be a DEI hire, any halfway decent Catering Guy wouldn't stand for this level of writing.

[@angryman2406]

I can't wait for the "Proverbs of Power" compilation!

[@TheOneRingcom]

Love that Name!

[@AysarAburrub]

im not a Tolkien lore buff, but i always thought Tolkien kept magic very subtle and subdued in his world, or at the very least in his stories. Meaning the world might have strong magic, but the characters in the stories never showed us extreme forms of magic. Even the best magic users in the world like the wizards kept their magic to a bare minimum in the story. The best example is of course Gandalf since we never see him solve every problem he faced with blasting, flying, or healing magic etc. The RoP on the other hand is using magic to carry almost every single plot.

[@JimmySmith-du7xz]

Completely true. But, even more so, the Istari were forbidden by Eru to use their full power. They were their to wake the power inherent in Eru's creations, and not to force those same creations to do anything they didn't want to do.

[@Skitdora2010]

Magical creatures are the magic and do not need to do anything to prove they are magical. That is the overwhelming rules of fantasy.

[@silasreade]

I’ve said this since before season one premiered, they should show the passage of hundreds of years. It would be easy with dwarves and elves and even Numenorians to keep much of the cast. They could show the slow effect of the rings that way.

[@milutinzivkovic9314]

"I see you found the goat" 😂

[@haleyschreiter9746]

Great job flying solo, Jonathan! 👏

[@shaomike]

Durin's speech reminded me of Immortan Joes. "Do not be a slave to water, my friend!"

[@kilkennyrose7099]

"The dog may bark at the moon, but he cannot bring it down." "There is a tempest in me!" "You have not seen what I have seen." "I’ve seen my share." "You have not seen what I have seen." "I must follow the passage. The other direction." "You don't know what's down there!" "That is the reason I must go." "For centuries, they have swept across Craig and crevice, washing away the last remnants of our enemy like spring rain over the bones of a dead animal." "Our hearts are even bigger than our feet." “You’ve always had sandstone in your granite as far as the elves were concerned.” “I would sooner kneecap a stallion than seek to imprison the mighty commander of the northern army.” “We can return in force. And sweep the enemy from these lands like salt from a table!” "Sauron used me and under his hand, I was played like a harp to a melody, not of my choosing." "Sauron looked inside you, plucked the very song of your soul note by note, lost king who could ride you to victory." There are so many, cringe lines.

[@mrcat3493]

The design of the rings is awful too. There is not one elf who knows how to cut gems? They are big chunky piles of garbage.

[@Chon-c]

They are literally EXACTLY LIKE THEY ARE IN THE BOOK 🙄😂 And apparently from the likes of your comment,they are 12 more that thinks the wrong thing as you ! Lol

[@mrcat3493]

@@Chon-c no they are not described as being chunky pieces of shit. Try harder defending this trash.

[@parhwy]

The sea is always right, The sun is always wrong, The rock is always singed, [One minute laterrr] The rocked is always ringed, The dwarves are always dumb - ROP Showrunners

[@DavetheNord]

"Gimme the meat, give it to me raw!" 😂

[@Chon-c]

It’s self feeding isn’t it. Lol. I love how all of these Spielbergs has made movies so much better. Lol. While the production value of the YT CHANNELS THEY WATCH OR PRODUCE THEMSELVES,is like a Saturday morning special filmed on a VHS camera in their bedrooms 😂

[@NudlemanJones]

Jonathan, for my two cents, I thought the "nameless" evil was supposed to be the Balrog. As Disa was chasing the little orb stone, I said to my friend, "watch it go down a little crack, she chases it, then finds the Balrog," and (I think) that's exactly what happened. Terrific writing.

[@ozi618]

I bet all my money that Disa will beat the Balrog by singing.

[@RonCondon]

Nah, she will calm it down, understand it's pain and adopt it as a pet .... precious.....

[@eddielombardo]

I've been enjoying the breakdowns, I usually listen to them at work. I watch Disparu's videos for the comedy, and your videos for the education regarding Tolkien's work that Amazon is butchering.

[@frankiesomeone]

the monster that Disa hears surely is the Balrog, no?

[@poneill65]

Hard for an actor to portray artistry when the rings look like they came out of a gumball machine. (The dedicated artisans behind Jackson's films definitely inspired the actors)

[@Chon-c]

They look like that in the book too 🙄 The “RED MEAT BANDWAGON” brings out everyone who thinks every criticism is a good one . Lol. Just because DOING IT IS POPULAR 🙄 I mean damn.

[@RonCondon]

Yeah , some bloke actually wore his finger prints out weaving actual metal chain mail......

[@frankiesomeone]

when the dwarves poke a hole in a wall and light streams in, it's silly... it means there's just a thin shell separating them from the outside.. how could it be a load bearing wall? they should be digging long shafts instead

[@meganhuggins7494]

I was going to say that Amazon had lost the plot, but, they never had the plot in the first place!! I only watch this through these review vids and, when I saw the Stoors?? The biggest ‘what the flookery are they supposed to be???’😱😱😱

[@marblestrength]

Do you think that we are going to get the stranger name reveal from a title on screen just fading in?

[@Kiirs5]

Great commentary, as always. One of the things that annoyed me in this episode was how OFTEN the dwarves went back and forth to see Celebrimbor, then back to Moria, back to the elves, back to Moria for a one minute council, and back to the elves. As if it's a five minute walk! Meanwhile, Elrond can't even get to the place he was going, and barely manages to get back to "the high king" 🙄

[@richardviguurs5488]

The Rings of Teleportation. Although... they already had the power of teleportation in season 1 of course

[@pwmiles56]

Hi Jonathan. I collected a few examples of horrible dialogue. These are from Season 1, Episode 3 alone: REPULSIVE IMAGERY Pharazon: I would sooner knee-cap a stallion than seek to imprison the mighty commander of the Northern Armies. UNCLEAR METAPHOR Pharazon: We dare not invite your father's cloud back overhead. OVERSTUFFED EXPOSITION Miriel: And yet, though Elves have been unwelcome on our shore since the reign of my grandfather's great grandfather, you chose to break with that precedent. Why? NOT DRIVING HOME THE POINT Elendil: With respect, Queen Regent, given the circumstances, I did only what I believed to be most prudent. Miriel: If, Elendil, that is truly your wish, then I shall have to ask you to perform a service. (WHAT WISH? OH I SEE IT IS TO DO WHAT IS PRUDENT. SHE NEEDS TO NAIL THAT E.G. "IT WILL BE PRUDENT FOR YOU TO PERFORM A SERVICE FOR ME") MORE OVERSTUFFED EXPOSITION Elf 1: They're searching for something. Elf 2: Some sort of weapon, perhaps? (HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT?) Elf 1: I do not know. But they ransack village after village, toiling nightly to find it for their leader. TRYING TO TALK FANCY AND FAILING Galadriel (looking at skiff): I assure you it's an improvement on my prior mode of passage. (WHY NOT DO IT PJ STYLE EG "IT'S BETTER THAN MY LAST RIDE"?) FORGETTING YOUR OWN SCRIPT Galadriel: Who is this mortal who speaks to me as if he has the slightest idea who I am? (YOU JUST TOLD EVERYONE IN THE COURT EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE) ODD PHRASEOLOGY Galadriel: You didn't say the Hall of Lore was assembled by Elros himself. (FROM A FLAT-PACK?) NOT KNOWING WHAT WORDS MEAN Harfoot: We can't carry the cart without you. (YOU PULL IT YOU DON'T CARRY IT) WHO THINKS "PRIOR" IS A COOL WORD? Sadoc: And now, before we begin our next journey, we remember those from prior migrations, who fell behind. SHEER WEIRDNESS Sadoc: Ma Hambley. Was making a sculpture (APPARENTLY A CAPITAL OFFENCE) MORE NOT KNOWING WORDS Elendil: In nine days' time, when the Sea Trial begins and that ship launches, you will be on it. (LAUNCHING IS WHEN YOU BUILD A SHIP. THE SHIP IS SAILING NOT LAUNCHING) Bonus dialogue, from Episode 5: SOUNDING LIKE A TERRIBLE PARTY CONFERENCE SPEECH Bronwyn: But if you choose to stand with me and fight, this tower will no longer be a reminder of our frailty, but a symbol of our strength. (THE TOWER THEY DESTROY IN THE NEXT EPISODE)

[@theartfullgolfer3279]

I am confused. Does the sun not move in Middle Earth?

[@majkus]

By the way, light moves very quickly. You do not see it strike a mirror and then, after a perceptible delay, bounce off and illuminate another area.as in 10:25+ But physical plausibility is not one of this show's strong suits.

[@Atanalcar]

Even if it did work that way, the shafts are in new places, but the mirrors aren't. Surely they are no longer situated to most effectively catch the light?

[@TheOneRingcom]

They're just copying Tomb Raider puzzles at this point.

[@majkus]

@@TheOneRingcom There's a puzzle quest in the Moria area of LotRO involving aligning mirrors to bring light to a particular spot.

[@hoseinpiran6633]

Also the point the showrunners messed up if I remember correctly is that Sauron came as Anatar and he made 16 rings for elves and they declined then he decided to share rings to others.... But here they made three rings first which made everything wrong from the beginning 😬

[@Chon-c]

They are context in books that is not needed & fine ,that is needed & can be different when put into a movie That’s what 99% of these idiots don’t understand at all ! Until you have actually tried to make videos and tell a story. Even if it’s just narrated by voice 💁🏼‍♂️. ID LOVE TO SEE HOW THESE OTHERS WOULD “WRITE THEIR VERSION SO AWESOME”. Then read it on KZbin! Adding politics to movie criticism is another thing that’s just fkn stupid. Regardless to what one’s politics is. For 1. People can tell when it’s done. And it’s always done in a way that seems badly contrived for ulterior motives. Which is the opposite feeling one is supposed to get from a movie or book . Unless it’s about those two things. lol. DONE GET ME WRONG . Anyone can see ,like my criticism of the Acolyte . So ASSUMING MY POLITICAL VIEWS MATTERS IN A MOVIE ON HOW GOOD IT IS OR NOT WOULD BE WRONG . But this CRITICISM ECONOMY IS CHEAP AF. and very sad. After a certain point it will do more damage than good when it comes to getting well done movies . Because nobody wants what they expect in a movie! NOBODY! Unless you are a self absorbed fk stick ,that needs EVERYTHING TO BE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR WANTS 💁🏼‍♂️😂 Obvious to whom that fits. And even those who claims to like them knows it’s sour & is not something they think is awesome enough to copy them . lol.

[@MaroLitraTV]

Oh poor you. Its wrong eh? i love how most of you have no idea and cannot even understand what is in front of you and you claim to be tolkien experts,lol. The difference between what is essentially a draft outline of a story and a full developed story is often substantial. Once you begin writing a story, things which you do not demand a great deal of in the outline phase need to be relooked at. Take for example the order of the rings creation...The people designing the show not only have to avoid the march to the inevitable ( kind of book of the film in reverse) but they have to reveal more of the dilemmas and doubts of the races of middle earth, and in doing so, deal thematically with the same issues that Mr. Tolkien did. Sure there are very substantial changes to the way the story is told but it is still the same story.The reason that Mr Tolkien made the 3 elver rings unsullied and separate is because of course it fits with what he did with them in the story and granted their keepers a FABULOUS MYSTERY.But where is the drama in that?Cluttering up the story with making rings, with no particular reason, for Elves in general just has no drama. It sounds like a thesis rather than a taut and well constructed narrative.In the series the Elven Rings arrest decline, the Dwarven Rings are central to acquisitiveness,hybris and greed, and men are just weak and seduced(we will see about men in the next season). What i am trying to say is that seeing the races of Middle Earth slowly falling under Sauron's schemes make a perfect drama and you will find that out in Episode 5 of season 2. The movies had tremendous changes even if they had a crystal clear narrative of 1200 pages but i love them. I find that series a very good endeavour, i have my issues, there are flaws but it is still very intriguing and doesnt deserve some of the hate it gathers. Have a good day

[@Chon-c]

@@MaroLitraTV . 💯💯💯 These “Spielburgs” think if they CAN FIND A DIFFERENCE FROM THE BOOK that they are “JUST PEOPLE WHO LOVES THE LORE AND WANTS IT DONE RIGHT🙄. All while getting on the hate bandwagon for clicks 🙄 When they have no idea what is impossible to do in a different medium lol Such as a book adaptation. Especially one this HUGE AND LOADED with stuff. And they act as if Tolkien didn’t RETCON OR REVISE 🙄😂😂. This is the very clue that tells me this dude became a fan when he started a channel & needed a nich that wasn’t over saturated,or he became one when Jackson did his trilogy and now EVERYTHING IS COMPARED TO THAT 💁🏼‍♂️🙄😂 But you wrote a lot that I wanted to but just wouldn’t take the time. Lol. You’ll see a couple of previous comments of mine in this video that sorta echoes what you said for a very large part. 👍 THANK YOU FOR THE SANITY 👍

[@andesean1]

Call ‘em Chippengals!”

[@joshhooker5873]

Nameless are not Balrogs.. we know about them LOL, so does Sauron, he fought along side them with Melkor. Nameless are a way more interesting topic if you think about it. This show had so much they could have done without even touching the rings.

[@errorsapiens5633]

I wish the whole making of the rings situation was more gritty, darker, seething with some risk, fatigue, heat and fire. I get it that the elves are Posh, but some times it seems even they did some hard and messy work. The production design alone destroys the world for me. Just feels like some scifi channel series early 2000s.

[@willlloyd9480]

I want the podcast with both of you! My favourite pod currently

[@kariverson1]

Disa probably heard Durin's Bane.

[@hoseinpiran6633]

Honestly, you guys always give the Number One videos on review and Tolkien👏I enjoy every single video of you ❤️

[@TheOneRingcom]

Wow, thanks! 🙏

[@JackChurchill101]

I would like to know - for part two. How an elf is turned invisible by a ring of power? I know what the show thinks it's doing, but what does this mean for how elves are meant to differ from men? - not to mention that it took a thousand years of constant use for men to fall to the shadow world.

[@TheOneRingcom]

Had the same thought. Completely diminishes the rings AND the elves by simply making it how much mithril is in the Ring that causes it to have invisi-powers.

[@JackChurchill101]

4oz of mythrill - makes you see through mountains. 8oz of mythrill - makes you teleport to the shadow realm. 4lb of mythrill - makes you a sweet shirt of chainmail with no abilities at all.

[@MaroLitraTV]

@@TheOneRingcom The same thought eh? And you claim to be an expert? How difficult was to understand that she was wearing a proto-attempt at a ring of power that had something of the One Ring's invisibility benefits, and she saw Sauron's true form without quite realizing it. Sauron managed to distract her before she could realize.She was grabbing tools and trying to fend off what she saw to be Sauron’s true form which she described so well.Sauron then convinces her that in fact she saw Celebrimbor’s inner form.

[@crappymccrappen4897]

2:40 "Two people tolkin' "... i see what you did there

[@veronicadavanzo2064]

The worst tortured metaphor was “Give me the meat.” I still can’t believe they left that in there. Narvi’s been sold short in this, too. There’s no friendship with Celebrimbor. Later he just reveals the Doors of Durin like, here they are! They exist now! This show has removed the stuff we wanted to see and replaced it with a bunch of meaningless tripe.

[@saar144]

No, that title definitely belongs to “boat (ship?) floaty, stone (rock?) sinky”

[@mobster5626]

I honestly don't think ChatGPT could write metaphors as bad as those in ROP, it has to be done by incompetent humans for that. :)

[@williamporter5009]

As stupid and poorly done as this show is, the idea that the dwarven rings give them a sense of the mountain is not lore-breaking to some extent. However it should just help them find ore, encouraging their greed and driving them to delve deeper. This also makes sense because the Elven smiths made ALL of the rings for THEMSELVES, not for the dwarves, they would want the rings to help them. This would also explain why Thorin, and Thrain wanted Thror's ring, as it would help them regain their wealth.

[@666flic]

They have the money in this episode because he reconciled with his father.

[@TheOneRingcom]

That happened after they went to the market.

[@hammerofscience534]

Longer!

[@TheOneRingcom]

If Michael were around, this episode would've been 2 hours long! :)

[@knarftahw]

At least we got content, harkening back to when you did individual shorter videos of season one between the group reviews.

[@Usapyon_0719]

don't apologize and keep going back to the lore.... the show runners sure didn't! I just know the movies and some from the main books, mostly cause reading is hard for me ( my husband is the book worm and more knowledgeable of Tolkien and the lore. I come (mostly only ) to your channel but also few others to learn, but yours is my favorite to learn all things Tolkine and all things middle earth. from the ages of the trees, to the unfinished 4th age . so yeah keep going back to the lore, oh and by the way awesome t-shirt!

[@Atanalcar]

One of my friends (who is also working on a list of all the dumb metaphors) is adamant the Bear McCreary is copying, or at least taking "heavy inspiration" from other soundtracks. Makes sense, given the number of projects he takes on at once.

[@TheOneRingcom]

I still have a soft spot in my heart for Battlestar Galactica's soundtrack... now, he's got a whole team of people helping him write music, just like Hans Zimmer. I think he's there just for the primary themes and editing. Though I've still enjoyed much of his music of the years.

[@mavericks2k811]

The Rings of Power: It's just so dumb

[@kevintheneck]

Thought you were going to say the El Ron without the Hubbard 😅

[@feanorkun7077]

The Dwarves should be making saying and poetry about Space for all the Rings of Power writers know. I think they have written themselves into a hole. And don't know how else to write to get themselves out. 😂😂😅😅

[@SB-yp8vp]

How do we know it’s the watcher and not the Balrog?

[@mikeyyoon]

I'm happy to say I have not watched episode 5 yet... could anyone tell me if it's worth watching and finishing this season? Every time I turn this show on I fall asleep 😅

[@bundlewade]

I’ve heard it’s the major decent episode of the entire show. That is, it’s not as terrible as most of the episodes (there are some accurate references) and it does not have the Stranger or the dirty little sociopaths, which is a relief. 😅

[@mikeyyoon]

@@bundlewadeThanks! I guess I'll continue to drag myself through this season. I've never watched a show to see if it's gotten worse

[@playermartin286]

Why is anybody still watching this insult??

[@kariverson1]

27 minutes?? NOT. LONG. ENOUGH

[@goodputin4324]

I AM SO DONE WITH ROP.

[@johnwiks2597]

This whole endeavor by Amazon is tedius, one-note, and lacks creative thinking. Much like the Wheel of Time adaptation. Infinite money seems to attract the lazy and uncreative, who knew?

[@Ozolz]

The main thing Rings of Power was meant to do is show us how the rings were forged. They havent shown jack shit so far, just few boring scenes with molten material being poured...NOT ONE scene showing how the rings are actually made in full.

[@agnieszkaadamkiewicz4747]

c is always right

[@samyboynton6129]

A show where nothing happens

[@Kaitonel]

Frodo without Sam! Merry without Pippin! Legolas without Gimli!

[@faustoutloud]

Great music? It's just not lord of the rings music the music doesn't fit with the scenes you watch this then go and listen to the music to either the lord of the rings or the hobbit movies and that music is lord of the rings. but Mccreary isn't bad it's just not lord of the rings music lol

[@eugene8498]

I wouldn't believe if I didn't witness the fans of Amazon defend Durin's stupid speech, saying it's biblical, it shows the hubris of the Dwarves. Apparently total nonsense equals hubris, perfect for a parody show.

[@Kelconk]

First, the quote that you read was already used nearly verbatim by Arondir in episode 4 to talk about the giant leech. Second, I rather enjoy that this show is largely apolitical, so the joke about "leftists" was not very funny to me, except for the fact that it's Trump who's recently been talking about tariffs... As for the worst quote, to me it's Elrond in the very first episode: "It is said that the wine of victory is sweetest for those in whose bitter trials it has fermented."

[@christianpoulsen4164]

I could not agree more, at this point the writing seems really like its pulled out of a AI generator. I could not believe the speech durin gave, cause it just made no sense, and combine that with every other idiotic speech or live from the show, it really seems like a bad AI being asked to make shit up

[@upschutt4842]

Did you get my EAU email? :)

[@TheOneRingcom]

Not sure if you're the one I got one from... but I did respond to the emails I received so far! If you didn't get my response, shoot me another email ([e-mail])

[@JimmySmith-du7xz]

"Showing us" things costs money. Talk (exposition) is cheap. One wonders where the hundreds of million$ went???? Or is this show a massive money-laundering exercise like the Acolyte????

[@youokaybuddyfitness]

I think this is the worst show ever

[@markgamber1365]

I would but I just can not bring myself to watch this dumpster fire of the woke. This is so far from Tolkien it is despicable. The dwarf story still pisses me off that there are two 'Durin's.

[@Bayard1503]

Alright but the Dwarf rings had to have some good powers, otherwise why would they keep using them and passing them on?? Greediness was a side effect, but what was the good?? Honestly it makes sense that they helped them with their mining... that's what they care about. Basically try to play a little devil's advocate with this show...

[@MrCrisisZ]

I think people are a little hard on this show. It's not as bad as people say it is, that being said I love the angry discourse and people mocking this show. I'm all about listening to the content lol, but this isn't the worst show on tv I look forward to watching episodes every week.

[@troffle]

Every time all the key points are said in the first twelve seconds and I can't help but hit the Like just for them... ... "the Galadriel without the Halbrand" just calls to the better versions and would be a *rightness* eh it's okay we love Michael too. ... yeah no I was with you until the leftie-bashing, really?

[@MaroLitraTV]

The only one that butchered the Dwarves was Peter Jackson with the atrocious portrayal of Gimli in LOTR and the majority of the Dwarves in Hobbit.ROP has actually made the Dwarves a living race instead of caricatures or bunch of buffoons. But keep up the good work. The more you hate the series undeseverdly so, the more millions will watch it. Over 40 million viewers in the first 11 days and counting... Keep up :)

[@roon-sy8fz]

bro 99% of lotr runtime is talking wtf are you talking about