Inclines Bench Presses INSTEAD of Shoulder Presses?

Inclines Bench Presses INSTEAD of Shoulder Presses?
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[@Shagley]

I haven’t shoulder pressed for a long time now. My shoulders didn’t feel right and were grinding all the time. After a few months of just db chest press and rows my shoulders completely healed and now look even fuller. My only direct delt exercise is db side raises and no higher than my nips

[@geraldfriend256]

Another great viewpoint.Your body will tell you what's up if you listen.When I started doing partials I thought "hey this is actually more difficult" instead of cheating, the whole time under tension finally makes more sense.Plus being middle aged I have to save my joints.

[@bengravel8452]

I’ve been doing HIT style training for months and it’s been going great but only lifts I’m not consistently progressing on is shoulder press and incline press, and I’ve been thinking it could be the overlap of hitting the front delts, after seeing this I’m going to probably eliminate shoulder press for a while and see what happens,great video thanks for the info 👍🏻

[@dieandgoaway]

How did it go? I feel doing incline and shoulder press affect my shoulder and it’s not helping me progress in regular bench and incline.

[@KenanTurkiye]

7:23 deep and logical, for example I have the ''experience'' to believe that the more ones chest protrudes (due to growth and/or barrel 'chestedness') the higher the inclination one needs in the bench to properly 'cover' the fibres in upper chest. You get us thinking Jason, dont ever change THAT format. 👍

[@markkennedy2553]

I am 53 been lifting for 35 years will lift till the end day you always have great info

[@manimal9871]

You always give such good advice 💪knowing your body is key

[@Han-nk3io]

OHP works the traps and little bit of side delts. Incline works chest and front delts.

[@autochton-7]

I do assorted pushing exercises in one workout. My favorite is incline barbell bench-press it is just badass especially coupled with 55 degrees incline-bench press. One complements the other in my experience.

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

great stuff

[@maleman6029]

Front squats followed by incline press gives me a huge upper chest and front delt pump. Follow with a few static incline pauses, really makes them quiver. Gets deeeeep!

[@FatHulkRideEbike]

Military press has never felt great on my shoulders. Steep incline feels fine though. I was also thinking a viking press would work well too. I might get a landmine and viking press attachment.

[@jamestonbellajo]

Felt the exact same way about military press. Ended up getting a viking press attachment for landmine work and it’s been great. Cant recommend it enough.

[@FatHulkRideEbike]

@@jamestonbellajo Can you tell me which landmine and which attachment you bought?

[@soonerborn7603]

I’m two years late, but a Swiss bar is great too! I bought one for overhead pressing, but I’ve basically eliminated all overhead pressing and I use it for bench press now! It’s worth the money if you have a home gym!

[@FatHulkRideEbike]

@@soonerborn7603 I did get one too.

[@bernhardmajcen488]

You are a philosopher, that is why I really love to listen to your advices and proposals...

[@mdd1963]

I always do at least 1 or 2 sets of inclines after flat benches, alternating between dumbbells or a barbell.

[@KingRamrod5000]

Squat tips are working for me. Donkey Kong advice noted. Chest and shoulders tomorrow will throw this in. Mountain

[@rotteneggs36]

Great video. It’s so true about the angles and doing the exercises in the way that works for you. I’ve found that when doing pull-ups, if I stop and contact hard when my eyes go above the bar, not my chin, I get much more pump in my back and lats. Thanks for the encouragement to try stuff like that.

[@VallaMC]

Yes but keep in mind that more pump does not mean more muscle fiber recruitment

[@rotteneggs36]

@@VallaMC fair point but while performing a back movement, I’d rather exhaust my back instead of the arm tendons/ muscles becoming the weak point.

[@jondoc7525]

Pretty much inevitable , but delay it my friend

[@paulread7113]

Totally agree. I think not coming up too far to the bar helps with elbow pain

[@user-es4qj5mi6x]

This video is gold for longevity that every lifter should watch, but unfortunately won't because of all the random influencer hyped up to do 10000s of stupid wacky exercises. All my spinal cord issues were from OHP and High-bar Squats. It doesn't matter if form is on point because if you're progressive overloading and placing repeated stress with weight above the head or on your spine it will lead to risk of injury in the cervical area just by accumulating heavier loads overtime. Incline bench and higher rep upright rows with a slight emphasis on external rotation of the rotator cuff are enough for shoulder development, unless you're going for some BB show. Then you need roids.

[@edwardo2436]

keep the videos coming Jason great advice again

[@RoryHolland111]

Great message. Thanks Jason !

[@liefacts3000]

Wow, awesome arcade dude. Thanks for the upload Jason. Mountain

[@newglorydays-yu6bb]

Thank you. This wisdom is gold

[@johngee777]

Thank God you're a natural bodybuilder. I used to wonder why I'm sweating loads, straining, making faces and grunting when I'm lifting my weights, lol. I honestly am surprised when I don't see many others straining, (other than the few obvious serious trainers), plus other women usually just work on their glutes etc

[@JustinK0]

im the opposite, incline bench hurts my right shoulder but standing shoulder press feels fine, even behind the neck shoulder press

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

then you gotta listen to that. :) MOUNTAIN

[@jamescorsey6041]

Same

[@What-he5pr]

I definitely have some impingement and a loose or torn rotator cuff. Injuries from sports besides weight training. Vertical pressing has to be confined to a nose to forehead range of motion. Horizontal pressing feels okay if done rarely.

[@jamescowan3651]

I saw a video a while ago where a guy was doing a t-bar press with a standard Olympic bar with elbows in and hands wrapped around the end of the bar with fingers interlocked. I just started doing it and i feel a big difference in the work being performed by the upper chest. The secret is finding the best way to keep the other end of the bar from walking away from you. Incline presses with a barbell do nothing for me but aggravate my shoulder joints. JS

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

Yeah, i can see how that could work

[@leedowling1448]

only got a flat bench but i've found using a strongman's log for bench works both my upperchest and some bicep work so i alternate between a log and kettlebells on bench in the same set seems to be working

[@mitchblaska5104]

I don't think I get a lot of front delt activation from incline bench press. Haven't tried it in a while. However, I'm getting great long head tricep devolopment from flat bench.

[@aborigine777]

Didn't know flat bench work longhead tricep.

[@user-pj9tk4op4w]

I figure out that up to 60 degree incline bench you actually involving seriously the front soulders

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

You do get quite a bit of shoulder work too.

[@tallys12345]

I’ve found some good upper chest gains lately from high angle flys

[@wakawaka1976]

Shoulder presses are hard for me… steep inclines are a little better. I’m in the process of lowering weight and putting more time under tension and pause reps. Worried about some shoulder pain and longevity

[@foxdogs1st]

I've been leaning backwards more doing cable rows and I think I'm hitting way more upper back (Traps) and rear delts. Compounds can still Highlight an area if you find the right angle.

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

Also depends where you’re pulling the bar. But yeah, generally you’re correct

[@petesnik1282]

Naturalgallant I've actually been doing this exact thing lately.

[@scottplatts5874]

Thank you

[@michelerizzoli4131]

Great as usual Jason! With a very wide shoulder and good delts what's the best for high pec?bench 30°,45° or else?

[@AZ_TONY]

I find that pump.and volume work is great, and has it's place once you've spent some time and years under the bar, for beginners though is terrible to advise an emphasis on volume work, nothing is going to put on slabs of muscle on a beginners frame the way anemphasis on getting stronger on big compound lifts will, get your bench, squat, deadlift and barbell row up and then look into adding volume to help supplement getting to the next tonnage in those lifts, all that pump work will only lead to spinning your wheels

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

Not necessarily. If it's combined with strength workouts, it works great. I've trained plenty of people and using the principles I share, they've broken strength plateaus like crazy. But of course, I'm not JUST advocating for light weight.

[@theflyingguillotine7967]

I've been thinking about this recently

[@soofitnsexy]

hey long time! greetings from nyc..I notice every set you blast all out! do you always lift like this? or sometimes do you leave some reps in the tank? thanks! happy holidys

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

I try to, unless of course I'm using super heavy weight, then I might be a bit more conservative.

[@soofitnsexy]

@@NaturalGallantBodybuilding thanks

[@Angel_Ripoff]

Is that a Goonies game machine? Love the movie, but never played the game.

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

It has all the games including Goonies. Haven’t played it yet though

[@Tikus_90]

When can I incorporate these presses if Im still lacking in the regular flat bench Strength? What should I prioritize as a novice?

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

The basics are fine. Flat, incline etc

[@mikemar988]

Hi! Thanks for all the great videos you share. I am a beginner and i d like to ask if the range of motion you use for your presses is intentionally short. I mean i know locking elbows is bad but isn't it still ahort range? Thanks!

[@TheStickyballz]

I think its all about keeping the tension rather than the range of motion here.

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

Depends on what you mean. If you noticed in this lift, it is pretty much full range. I'm only a bit outside of lockout, and I go as low as I can without overstretching the delt or ball and socket joint.

[@mikemar988]

@@NaturalGallantBodybuilding Thank you!

[@stelliumeleven2889]

I know its taboo and eeeeveryone hates him. but mike ohearn is the king of this lift. He's always pushed it as a main movement.

[@erikcaldwell2913]

Hi Jason, what's your opinion on TRT as we age? Would you consider it as you get older? Would you consider it a health risk, even if taken under a doctor's care? ( Or hey, this might be a good video topic, as I'm sure many older guys have considered it) 💪🏼🤓👊 thanks so much for sharing your wisdom sir!

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

I've answered this a million times. NO. I would NEVER take TRT. It's the same as taking PED's. And no, I don't trust doctors. Half of them are giving the shitty advice that is locking us down in this insanity now.

[@erikcaldwell2913]

@@NaturalGallantBodybuilding Thanks for the response. I know more and more people are getting on the TRT, I have thought about myself, but I've not done enough research, so I'm not really sure if it's worth the risks of causing some sort of cardiovascular or other problems over time.

[@thestuff4321]

@@NaturalGallantBodybuilding Well said.

[@goblinsgym]

Opinions from an aging (55) Goblin: TRT is a patch, but does not solve underlying causes for low hormone levels. Most doctors don't have the time or knowledge to peel apart the onion and find the reasons for low T. Writing an Rx is quick, easy and lucrative. Exogenous T will downregulate your own production. Instead, I recommend that you fix your nutrition (healthy fats, minerals such as zinc and magnesium, vitamins such as Vitamin D, liver ...), recovery (vitamin Z = sleep), activity (lift heavy stuff, don't overdo cardio), environment (avoid xenoestrogens) etc.

[@jondoc7525]

Before your hockey injury did you ever do incline presses to the neck or chin ? I feel it more in my upper with your strategic rom theory

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

No. Never felt right

[@jondoc7525]

@@NaturalGallantBodybuilding sorry I meant the “ slow stretch reflex mountain style pauses ” , I can really feel it stretch that area and it feels great . I don’t go very heavy at it . Keep up the good work sir !

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

Nice. Yeah if it feels right then go with it. Sometimes I do stretch like that with light weights. It feels great!

[@jondoc7525]

@@NaturalGallantBodybuilding it really helped me learn how to feel it . And I just press and keep tension on that part real slow. I’m really having trouble activating my lower Lats

[@RazvanSuican]

If you turn palms up That’s all front delt baby. Best exercise for it

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

I don't like doing that, hard on my shoulder joints etc, but I know plenty of people that it works great for.

[@mathewyerry2072]

Incline bench is underrated for overall upper body strength

[@joojotin]

Do you think partials might be better for chest?

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

Depends on the person, I'm guessing.

[@joojotin]

@@NaturalGallantBodybuilding yeah true, different structures and all

[@Mongoose-ct6us]

All I know is the Arnold press is terrible. Don't do it!

[@NaturalGallantBodybuilding]

Yeah, I never liked it

[@chasetaylor777]

Father

[@kendalk08]

Inclines destroy my shoulders. Military press my pr is 185lbs for 3

[@joojotin]

Scapula problem

[@kendalk08]

@@joojotin possibly from loosing tightness unracking. Have 0 issues on machine incline. Still prefer military press/ohp to incline though as my shoulders don't give me issues

[@joojotin]

@@kendalk08 what I mean is too much retracting propably has fucked up you scaplar humeral rythm its very common. With ohp it creates the rigth movement pattern for the scapula.