House Tyrell history and lore - livestream

[@naomibousson]

It's funny that Sansa, a girl who was taught to repeat courtesies, did not realise that Loras Tyrell was doing the exact same thing.

[@lindenshepherd6085]

I mean, she was obsessed with old stories of knights and ladies falling in love. When Loras came up to her in bejeweled armor, with his flowing hair and beautiful flowers, she felt like he was a fairy tale come to life. As a fairy tale knight giving her a special red rose, she as a young lady has every reason to expect he’d meant something more by singling her out in such a way.

[@ThommyofThenn]

​@@lindenshepherd6085right. Any impressionable young person would do that. That's just part of being a young person like that 😂. I guess some of us had forgotten what it's like

[@wyzasukitan]

I cannot lie, the TV show hurt me deeper than any other failed relationship in my life, BUT ... it was almost, ALMOST worth it all to witness the greatness that was the live-action incarnation of Olenna Tyrell. Dragon queen of sass RIP, I close my eyes and I can still feel the secondhand heat from your savage roasts 😭😭

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

I've watched her scenes more than any others

[@jackliddle4302]

I know your comment is 3 years old, but I'm curious to know why you feel disappointed by the show (if you still feel that way), as I've yet to read the books. From my perspective, the early series (probably up to and including season 5) were spectacular, and it went downhill from there. Is that what you're talking about, just the last few seasons, or the series as a whole? If the latter, how come?

[@NeurosenkavalierEmilSinclair]

Dude, I'm also not over it. I've watched the show first, enjoyed the 6th season (because it was the first one releasing since I started to watch the show and I was hyped) although I already hated a lot of things happening there but back then, just to get totally disappointed by season 7 and my heart broken at season 8. I've listened to the audiobooks of ISOIAF after and I have to say: Season 1-5 were fantastic, both as a standalone but as well as an adaptation of the books. While our grandfathers might have seen the horrors of war, the later GoT seasons are the trauma of our generation lol

[@leejohnson179]

Rest in peace, Diana Rigg.

[@EPYHDA1]

You provided a great reason why Loris has to pretend to be gravely wounded - it gives him an unassailable reason to stay on Dragonstone and fortify it against the Lannisters, while they do not suspect anything

[@cameliaberghean1300]

Right? Like many others, I suspect that Loras is either just lightly injured or perfectly fine, but I kept thinking about what Aurane's false report would accomplish. The Tyrells gifting Dany the seat of her family to seal an alliance is neat! (Not to mention that after how the show shat on Loras, I would be glad if he still had such a big role to play.)

[@EPYHDA1]

@Libahunt It is strategically located, though. In view of fAegon invasion it becomes important. And "the friends in the Reach" could have tipped Loris off

[@AndrewK23777]

Enjoy your break Robert , as much as we will all miss next week's livestream , some time away is well deserved for you given the quality of (your content is always top quality) and consistent amount of content you have put out during the pandemic ; which has been much appreciated by us all. Thanks for the effort helping keep us sane and entertained. Enjoy the days off.

[@dantemorgenstern]

Pretty sure Loras gave the red rose to Sansa because she was sitting right in front of Renly. He couldn't give it directly to Renly so this was the next best thing

[@lindenshepherd6085]

That’d make sense. I’ve also wondered if he did it because Olenna told him to, since she was scheming to marry the two.

[@jlworrad]

The scene between Rigg and Dance represents the high water mark of GOT as a series.

[@kyidyl]

I think one hint that mace isn't as stupid as he plays up is that he actually listens to Olenna. He is TOO good a charactiture of the mama's boy. Also I think you're right about the Tyrells wanting to hold onto what they have. They're the only house in westeros that isn't frikkin miserable for one reason or another. Like who *wouldn't* want to preserve that. Marjory tho seems a bit more ambitious than the rest of them.

[@officialiheartleila4560]

I always felt like people gave the Tyrells a pass. When they were just a cunning and brutal as everyone else. I personally loved seeing the sept blowup. Stunning Victory for Cersei. It was them or her. They gave her no respect... didn't even have the good manners to pretend. I truly enjoyed watching Cersei let Olena and Margery have their little moments. Which seem to embolden them. Ans she waited, like a patient lioness, for her chance to pounce. Now, the rains weep over their halls, and not a soul left to hear.

[@cassandramcbride7007]

Tyrells were brutal but they were not cruel. Unlike Lannisters. Tyrells didnt give respect because Cersei never offer them as well. Every time she could, Cersei just tried to diminush, humiliate or threat them. Cersei could just have stay as Queen regent and still have power. The main issue is that she wanted to be like Tywin and manipulate Joffrey to her will. The fact that Margaery could control Joffrey and could manipulate the people to her vantage, turn out to be a problem and going against what Cersei believed. Power is Power. Sure Tyrells are power hungry (like all Houses) but they never enjoyed any cruel act and only did things that were necessary for the safety of the house. Lannisters or Cersei manipulated each other and dealing with other houses they were cruel. Tywin allowed Ellia and her kids been brutally murder just to insure his family could have more power. Cersei enjoyed how Sansa was been mistread by joffrey. Even in the wedding, Cersei was having so much fun, by the dwarfs circus play moking Starks, Baratheons and tyrion. Plus every action that happen to Lannisters was made by the short sight of Cersei. She was the downfall of her own house, by not understand the consequences of her moves. Joffrey and Tommen death was directly by her, and Myrcella was just a chain reaction of consequence by Cersei hate for Tyrion. Blowing the Sept was not just a question of "cersei and them"... but a stupid move that only fixed a problem in short moment. Plus the amount of people that she had killed, that had nothing to do with her own mess. So no. People are not giving a pass to the Tyrells. People just understood the tyrells and understood the lannisters. And between both of them Tyrells were a better house. Sure Lannisters made such a entertaining moments in tv show, thats a fact. But they were horrible and toxic people.

[@parsashojaei1352]

Actually, Cersei had no control over them, and the it was through her stupidity that Margaery died on the show, not a carefully planned scheme. Luckily for us, this will never happen in the books, or even if it does, only Margaery will fall victim to it, since Loras is in Dragonstone and Mace and Olenna far away. In the books, we also have two more important Tyrells. Willas and Garlan. I do not think they will all die in the books because it is simply unlikely, so you can take your song elsewhere. Sing them for The Lannisters maybe, because if either Danny or Aegon conquers (which one of them is doing now), your favourite house is screwed.

[@SimplymeSVEN18]

The Tyrells were cunning, but never cruel. Unlike most of the Lannisters who took joy out of it to boot. Do note how the Tyrells never actually harmed anyone, apart from Joffrey, and that kid needed to be put down like the rabid dog he was. So it's not like they didn't have a valid reason. They did everyone a favour with that. Blowing up the sept was no victory. That was Cersei being dumb and petty and unable to think of the longterm consequences of her actions. She pretty much shot herself in the foot there. Lost most of her armies, supplies and food in one daft move. The only reason she actually survived blowing up the equivalent of the pope, was plot armour. The smallfolk would've risen up and torn her to pieces for less. As they did earlier in the series and during the dance of dragons. No lords would've been willing to work with Cersei after that either. Nobody likes a kinslayer, or a king/queenslayer. Or a psychopath for that matter...and Cersei was all of the above. In the end Cersei had nobody left to side with her because she turned the only people willing to work with her against herself. Perhaps if she hadn't she'd have had the numbers to survive. Instead she wept and wailed like a small child begging and pleading Jaime not to let her die. Untill she got stoned to death with the bricks of her own castle. Pathetic. At least the Tyrells faced their end with dignity. Though they're unlikely to die out in the books. The Lannisters however are set-up for extinction. Tyrion can't have children, Jaime, Cersei and their kids will die. Lancel is joining the faith, Willem is dead, Martyn will marry Amerei Frey who spreads her legs for everything that moves and is unlikely to give him a child, provided the kid lives that long to marry her. And with Janei the Lannister name would go extinct. Tywin, Kevan, Tyget, Tyrek and Gerion are already dead and after that it's Freys. And if either fAegon or Dany take the throne they're likely to wipe out any remaining Lannisters anyway for simple vengeance.

[@officialiheartleila4560]

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[@coyotegaxiola4281]

Fascinating stuff! Love your work. Also, thanks for saying Secrets of the Citadel was doing alright. I really enjoyed her work and was worried something dire had happened to her.

[@sassak]

Your break from streaming allowed me to watch this video today instead and count the glasses - only about 37 this time if I didn't miss any. I hope you enjoyed your bit of R&R.

[@shaunw.7299]

Theory: Widows Wale and Oathkeeper will not be reworked back togerher to form ice. Oathkeeper will be in he hands of he starks(fitting name) and Widows Wale will be given to house lannister as a show of peacè and alliance. Between Sansa and Tyrion ofcourse. Widows Wale, a short sword for a short man, Tyrion.

[@amandalou34]

Wail

[@jakeserb8547]

The Well Told Tale was mentioned at about the 19:16 and I just had to comment that I just finished listening to The Invisible Man yesterday. I've listened to many others and they're all fantastic! Thanks for all the content Robert, Appreciate It!

[@amandaofhouserobinson6707]

In deep geek should be Maester Aemon if he were to narrate an animated character!! Would be magnificent!

[@lettiefickling1201]

i always think of the tyrells and the reach as based on Aquitaine.

[@EggHeadShowTV]

Love your discussions. Keep your videos up.

[@Hochspitz]

Dianna Rigg, The Avengers, Emma Peel in the 60's all in black and white, yes I am that old! So in re-reading the books I just can't picture Ollena as a small wizened lady. Dianna Rigg nailed the part in the show! Still not getting any notifications, grrr!

[@tylersavage7011]

Love this channel! Enjoy your vacation!

[@realdaggerman105]

Growing Strong, but the flowers that bloom brightest are plucked first.

[@LeGadabout]

Robert, I think you may be having the same problem with ads that LML posted about yesterday. There are way, way more than usual on this video.

[@swffingers]

I just saw this in my feed also. After watching approx 12 ads in my first 10 mins, I might wait to watch this one till after Robert has had a tinker with the ad settings.

[@cathrinehfurseth]

Alexandra G This is a KZbin issue, not anything to do with the content creators. KZbin offers a premium subscription which eliminates adds. How they make money.

[@LeGadabout]

@@cathrinehfurseth Thanks for pointing this out! I knew it had something to do with KZbin and not Robert and other creators, as it's so out of the norm for his videos (and frankly kind of unreasonable on KZbin's part). Should have been clearer about that!

[@Obnoxious_Weed]

Go premium

[@amandalou34]

So many ads can’t lie and listen till I sleep 😴 got to keep skipping ads

[@SimplymeSVEN18]

Highgarden may not be as well positioned as castles like the Eyrie or Storm's End, but it's still a formidable castle. Being situated on a hill gives the defenders the high ground and the castle itself has three rings of curtainwalls surrounding it, each wall higher than the previous one. There's also a briar labyrinth between the two outer walls creating a bottleneck for invading troops. Furthermore it's always very well-provisioned and would be able to last a long time in a siege as a result. The Reach also has huge manpower, so the castle would be well-manned and supplied. I feel like it's being sold a bit short considering it's only been taken once in known history. I don't think the Redwynes and Hightowers are likely to currently oppose the Tyrells. Especially with Olenna being Mace's mother and his sister Mina Tyrell being the wife of Paxter Redwyne, the current lord Redwyne. Mace's wife is also the daughter of the current lord Hightower. The Tarlys and Rowans might proove troublesome though that can be debated considering the Tyrells are basically guaranteed to have the Hightowers, Redwynes and both houses Fossoway on their side. Garlan Tyrell in addition holds the Florent lands. The mother of Lady Bulwer is also a Tyrell and they've furthermore married into houses Beesbury and Meadows. Can't imagine the Tarlys and/or Rowans would be keen to face off against that. Lady Rowan is also a Redwyne, so it's not certain her husband would be willing to attack his wife's house. They're rather big on kin in the Reach after all.

[@EPYHDA1]

I think that Bailish used the Tyrells to accomplish his goals. He went to propose the marriage, worked on both short term - secure the alliance and get Harrenhall, and the longer term goals - remove Jeoffrey to ensure the chaos. Olena was the one he went to for this - he would not be blamed, because he "wasn't even in King's Landing"

[@melb3950]

I find this house the most fascinating

[@josephpotter7776]

Really? What in particular make them fascinating to you?

[@lindenshepherd6085]

I mean, they are pretty much the only Great house to not be renowned for their martial ability in some way. They’re pretty much only known as a house of bounty instead of arms, not to mention being a matriarchy in a land ruled by men.

[@MsPisces0021]

Thanks for all you do for us - enjoy your break!

[@nisab5932]

Second favorite house in the Seven Kingdoms, Olenna and Margaery are the savviest players of the game.

[@RB-ei5fu]

Which is your favorite?

[@NYCfrankie]

Mace dying could be one of the best things that could happen to the Tyrell's according to Oleana wyllis her grandson and heir to Highgarden is very smart and not the least bit oafish unlike Mace or her late husband

[@christianaslater7969]

Not to be off topic .... love the hair Robert, Thanks for all the time and effort to produce the greatest content for all of us

[@endor8witch]

my fav house

[@therunningman_]

This is a fascinating stream!

[@davewade30]

This has nothing to do with with this video, but I'd love to hear whether or not you think it would be possible for Bran to learn the recipe for Valerian steel through his visions.

[@stephanieseifert9808]

not even 10 minutes in to the video and I had to skip 5 commercials -why? anyone else? this really sucks

[@maltormash1048]

I've got 23 ads in first hour ?? I think LML apologised for a similar problem recently. Kinda ruining the flow, and my bath lol.

[@Rahim.ali80]

10$ a month you won't get ads at all not even in the beginning

[@arnovandermerwe1893]

Skip to the end and replay the video. Removes all the ads

[@shonachilds6559]

Almost caught this live....next time!

[@shannond7437]

Same time every week! Join us!

[@JoniukasVader]

In Deep!

[@TGJoeyT]

I missed it again and I'm very late in watching, but great stream as always

[@TanyaYoganathan]

Robert picked Ser Dontos because he is ridiculously in love with Sansa lol

[@jschoma11]

Do you find the Tyrells treacherous or just naturally rising and protecting themselves? I dont find myself disliking or finding them unsavory but maybe I'm just playing into their game. Thoughts?

[@endor8witch]

they do what they have to do because they are put in a position where if they don't protect themselves, it'll end up in a massacre of their family line. sometimes good people are forced to do bad things because there's no other choice.

[@jschoma11]

@John Trevolter I'm doing my best to forget the show portrayals. I'm re reading Feast right now and yeah Loras is cocky but I dont see much else reprehensible.

[@darriusbethea2373]

I think Tyrells still remain in power I think Willas will remain as Lord of Highgarden. Mace, Olenna, Loras, Margarey I suspect will die.

[@parsashojaei1352]

Garlan too?

[@swffingers]

Why so many ads Robert? Is everything ok?

[@shannond7437]

It’s KZbin chaos! This is happening for several people right now.

[@Obnoxious_Weed]

Garlan Tyrell and Loras Tyrell's relationship, Loras getting greviously injured while attempting to take Dragonstone are extremely curious stories.

[@iangeorgewhatton7541]

Is this centred around Walter Tirell and his family 1066 and Pre of the Norman conquest of Britain?

[@litbringers1070]

LIT

[@JeremyMInman]

If Loras is secretly ok, he can fight for Margery in a potential trial by combat

[@flimflam945]

Ads every three minutes WTF?

[@purplefelion1226]

You tube changed ads settings, Robert probably has no clue.

[@flimflam945]

Purple FeLion Wasn’t suggesting it was Robert’s fault.

[@Challis1989]

Hi Robert just wondered, What was the tyrwl seat before ageon?

[@sidneyrosey]

Highgarden has the highest GDP index 😄

[@Slechy_Lesh]

When you mentioned Stannis being in the Far North, your eyes turned blue.

[@LoneWolfOfHouseStark1989]

How many ads

[@matthewpower7148]

Is KZbin going crazy w ads ? The ads every 2 mins makes this unwatchable !!!

[@shannond7437]

KZbin has been doing this to several channels of late.

[@Slechy_Lesh]

Gay guys love pretty women! What do you think all the gay fashion designers are doing it for?

[@SHARKVADERS]

IDG !!!

[@limegreenjellybean]

Sorry but after 2 adverts every 5 mins. I skipped to the end and reloaded to watch properly. So distracting when adverts cut into you discussion every 5 mins mid sentance.

[@losjojo]

The comments were ruined with everyone crying about ads... this is definitely not Roberts fault. If you pay monthly to KZbin you never have to deal with this issue. Its the same everywhere... ad free! (For a small fee😅) Just pay your "Dwarf's Penny" and move on.

[@SmileHeartXD]

:D

[@zoethesmall3601]

HI ROBERT PLS READ !! LML noticed that on his live feeds he then posts that KZbin are front loading a TON of ads !! They’ve done it to you too on this 1. I actually stopped watching the order of the greenhand cos the ads are so infuriating. LML says there’s a setting where you can adjust the ads back 2 normal levels .... i hope I don’t have to stop watching your lives when i can’t always b there when you 1st do them .... pls adjust the ads for us peasants and small folk! 🙏🏼

[@mirarstudios]

So many adverts these days 😩

[@bthermidorl]

meh. you've been more in depth

[@shelldie8523]

9:30 he has no life

[@poprey300]

Seriously, how many adverts? It’s worse than SKY TV.

[@123WIZARDabc]

damn man you spend way to much time talking about patreon and how to send you money its not enjoyable. Half this video is just you saying support me pay me etc i like you but maybe stick to the subject and stop begging for money for thirty minutes out of an hour video