Independence Day: Resurgence reviewed by Mark Kermode

[@brendanmccallion2350]

Independence Day: Regurgitation

[@largesatsuma]

We have a diction definition for "Meh" Meh (Interjection) 1) Indifference 2) Not great, not awful. 3) Independence Day: Resurgence

[@joshuaprice3965]

Mark liked the first Independence Day movie? My life is now complete

[@stuartmacleod8231]

.. it may have been the painkillers. It is a fun film, but comedy how dumb it is.

[@joshuaprice3965]

I know it's big, dumb and not a perfect movie that hasn't aged particularly well. But it's a fun movie and I can still enjoy it so I still like it.

[@dennett316]

Yup, the first is big, dumb fun. The sequel is just big and dumb, the fun was absent for me.

[@joshuaprice3965]

Raiken Xion I know, but whereas Independence Day is a guilty pleasure I think Rogue One is a genuinely great movie, in fact Mark's review is the one that not only best coincides and reflects my own opinions on the film but also (in my opinion) has the most insight into the actual quality of the movie.

[@joshuaprice3965]

Raiken Xion I'd agree with you and site what I loved about the movie, but as I said al you need to do is look up Mark's review. Everything I had to say about it is reflected there.

[@Genji_Glove]

Not to spoil, but I thought the ending was ludicrous. Not only did I find the setup for the sequel a little over the top... but kind of against the idea of what the first Independence Day was all about: the fact that we're not the biggest baddest species in the universe. We were humbled in the first one, only surviving by the skin of our teeth. The ending of this one paints us as the saviours of the galaxy for some reason. Did this bug anyone else?

[@kundaigotore992]

Preach brother. I laughed when that evolved Ball thingy Bob started going on about fighting the aliens because I all I could hear was EXPANDED UNIVERSE.

[@goodial]

well everything was super dumb in this movie! With the Gravity the Spaceship does so much damage, then why doesn't it fly over the whole earth? and the U.s. was a major part in the victory of the first movie, why doesn't it fly over the U.S.? The great chinese pilot? her father dies, who cares? she'g gonna go on a date with the dumb friend so who cares! Will Smith's mother was an exotic dancer, now the head nurse of a hospital? okay then .... the current president dies, who cares? we only care about the old president that mostly just did an inspiring speech in the first movie!

[@masterpenguin8472]

+goodial Still not as dumb as After Earth.

[@goodial]

Master Penguin yeah that might be! :D

[@avanishdutta2658]

@@kundaigotore992 Wrong. Pay Attention and you will hear "FRANCHISE!" "MONEY!" "MORE SEQUELS!" Everybody is eloquently shouting over the top of their voice and trying to justify why there must more instead of an end.

[@Christian_from_Copenhagen]

"Have they come back, then? The monsters?"

[@GoldenJokered]

It lacked a sense of dread or emotion, characters seemed happy considering impending annihilation was about to happen

[@callummccormick86]

It was easily the worst film I've seen in the cinema. Truly, truly awful.

[@walonsubi]

The angles of the window and the 5 Live hoarding behind Mark make it look like the studio is collapsing.

[@Horridfilms]

I want to hear Mark's opinion on Mars Attacks now. I actually think that movie is more relevant than ever in the current times we live in.

[@ethzero]

"But the Moon?!" - Aw, bless 'em.

[@SonOfXenophon]

"Liam "Don't Confuse me with Chris" Hemsworth" hahaha

[@nifralo2752]

Thank the lord that Will Smith's son was not played by his actual son Jaden!

[@TheGreatLKHS]

My biggest disappointment about the movie was that the united humanity didn't really fight the aliens. One of the big promotional points about the movie was that humanity had been united. No more major wars and conflicts. Life rebuilt and improved. But aside from the Chinese pilot and Moon commander and the orbital lasers getting destroyed, where was the united humanity? The movie was still 99% about the United States fighting and winning the whole thing. Sure, the alien craft covered and/or destroyed a good third of the world when it landed. But I was expecting like a Japan strike force seen, then a Canadian boobing unit, then a Brazilian space fighter unit, medical supplies coming in from Cuba, or a ground battle in Africa. Speaking of Africa, how cool would it have been to see those African soldiers fighting aliens?? (I also hated the sound effects of the lasers.)

[@nazirkazi2588]

A Canadian boobing unit is long overdue on film...

[@Orochi_001]

Those aliens are like something out of “The Boswell Incident”

[@scrapscrobble]

here's hoping the aliens came back with Norton

[@kundaigotore992]

Am I the only one who wants to watch the prequel of the War Lord fighting the aliens.

[@CC3GROUNDZERO]

Thankfully it's never gonna happen with the box office disappointment this film was.

[@horryclutch]

first time watching these guys and it's pretty funny and works great as video. seriously, how could it be any more simple? One guy explaining to another guy the movie. it works. nicely done guys

[@otterpoet]

To this day, I recall the first screening of _Independence Day_ and how the entire audience let out a collective gasping "WHOA!" following the famous 'attack' sequence... *this* movie, however, barely kept me awake. "Meh" seems about right XD

[@F1138-4EB]

The original is in no way, form or shape a good movie nor a classic.

[@beavispdx]

Agreed. I don't get the praise for it

[@AncientArcaneCore]

It's not a good movie by any stretch of the imagination, but it is pretty fun in a cheesy sort of way.

[@craigharris41]

1st one was a marketing success.

[@TrueRahf]

The first movie is a popcorn classic that reflects a certain style of movie from the 90s. I rate it in the same category as the Rock, and that film is a true action classic, for all that's worth.

[@craigharris41]

Rahf yeah I remember that summer it was 96, The Rock came out in April I believe and this was July 1.

[@garycrant4511]

I looked forward to watching this sequel. Sat on the sofa in front of our big telly screen, wearing 3D glasses and headphones... Pressed play, then spent the next few hours struggling to stay awake, it was so boring.... I lost count of the number of times I nodded off, then needed to rewind .. Disappointed, it wasn't worth the effort persistening to the end.

[@glyph2011]

I saw a double bill of these last night and had a great time. It's not Alien, Silent Running, Brazil or the matrix, but where else can you see Judd Hirsch and Brent Spiner in a movie?! Grab your popcorn, and have fun.

[@CyborgCollective]

What is that weird effect that causes the image to stretch every time the focus is pulled? I can only amuse its supposed to do that but I cant for the live of me fathom why.

[@jointhe6461]

Wasn't Simon Mayo in Independence Day UK? Or was that someone else?

[@TwoMikesProductions]

Blast from the past! I remember it had Patrick Moore getting into a fistfight with an Alien. Toyah Wilcox was a fighter pilot right?

[@steveatkins653]

I think it was Nicky Campbell.

[@touchgameplay]

you was right he was

[@touchgameplay]

he was also with Patrick Moore being the co-star it was a BBC Radio 1 production that was air on christmas day the same year ID4 came out. The opening act was nod towards War of the world's making it sound like it was really happening.

[@berer.]

That Cement Garden lass again :P

[@nicolajohnson1887]

I thought it was a good movie, the last act wasn't the direction I would have liked but overall I thoroughly enjoyed it especially in imax.

[@dennett316]

I really quite disliked it, and that disappoints me, because I really enjoyed the original. In this, everything is just worse than the original (other than the CG). The writing is worse. The dialogue is much worse, to the point where I got vibes of the Star Wars prequel trilogy in terms of how badly Lucas directed his actors. The destruction porn was unexciting, as was the action, because I just didn't care about any of the characters. And the way they were reacting to seeing London torn up in front of them, I never got the sense that any of the characters cared either. It was just lifeless throughout. I wish I could say it was just "meh", but it's so badly written, I just can't...the dialogue had me cringing at times. I wanted this to be fun, but it turned into a disappointing slog.

[@dankay420]

I really disliked the new cast and whenever there was destruction I really didn't care, even Jeff Goldblum jokes about the landmarks being destroyed when millions of people are dying around them. the cg in it was terrible as well especially near the end.

[@clerickolter]

Its a big screen explosions and big ships and big fight scenes POPCORN MOVIE I would say in that outlook going in it sounds like a good sequel and there is nothing wrong with that at all.

[@ealing456]

Threed, twood. I like that.

[@TheDEATHSTARIII]

the posters for independence day still EXIST with ID4 ON THEM

[@prigg88]

This spells bad news for the Stargate reboot as its going to be written by the same guys.

[@YnseSchaap]

That is bad news

[@roathripper]

8:45 for the summary

[@thesprawl2361]

Re. the various mooted titles - could it not have been The Day After Independence Day?

[@ciphermatrix]

It's schlocky - and I love schlocky films. Brent Spiner is fantastic! :D

[@keithrogers3387]

I find it hilarious that it's almost fashionable for these critics to trash this film, but whenever the latest schlock from Marvel comes out, the critics treat it as the second coming of cinema.

[@brandoncruise6398]

To be honest with ya, the Marvel movies tend to be well thought out, although Age of Ultron was a big let down. Guardians of the Galaxy was funny, but a weak story.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

Wait. This film came out? How did I not even know it existed when movies is one of the few things I care about? Did it not get a big release? No ads? 3 years past this film review and I am still waiting for the film to come out... Brilliant marketing?.. not so much...

[@Louey_]

to sum it up don't go to the cinema to see it if it's on telly in 3 years and there's nothing at all to do yeah watch it

[@lilmissnoname9975]

OMG!!! It's 3 years after you posted this comment and I am watching it on the telly. This film is truly terrible!!! And I've been self isolating for 3 weeks!!!!

[@jacobbraybrooke8521]

Coming in 2020: Independence Day: Re-Meh

[@masterpenguin8472]

I would like to see a prequel involving Russell Casse's involvement with the aliens.

[@dayglowjoe]

he's being really lenient

[@10whiten99]

First half was very good and I felt it was leading up to a surprising climax, but then my fears came true, and the whole second half was predictable and long. Action was good, but the thing that does let the movie down the most is the inability for the characters to explain what is going on, so most dialogue is either a cringeworthy joke or just a mumble of fake scientific nonsense to try and make the any of the plot or context seem consistent and believable.

[@TheAmberBreeze]

"They were hunting us, we had to learn how to hunt them." That's not HOW that's WHY. What a stupid script.

[@jayazathoth8530]

Well, the question just meant by implication "Learning their language should be too difficult" and the reply implied "We had to try hard because there was no other option." But it was still a mediocre film

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

"Why" does not fit into that sentence... "How" does fit in that sentence. Did you have a stroke?

[@shiznik19]

ID4 MEAN CHECKMATE ON CHESS BOARD AS WELL

[@ZoeHewittHosting]

I didn't find this movie as horrible as everyone else. I took it for what it was: a bit of brainless entertainment. If it had come out 20 years ago, shortly after the first one, I think it would have received more praise, too. This falls into the style of the original but movie going tastes have changed a lot and so it doesn't "fit" the same way. That said, I don't think this pretends to be anything it isn't--there aren't deep themes, nor do they even attempt to make them up. It's just visual effects and great sets.

[@EdPlays1997]

Why did we need an Independence Day 2 anyway? The only reason this exists is purely monetary. Roland Emmerich promised 2012 would be his last disaster film, but post-2012 his films have made no money whatsoever. As such, he returns to ground he's financially secure on, while resurrecting his most popular film. It screams cash in, and I'm surprised they pushed forward with it with no Will Smith. It's like going to a Queen concert these days, where most of the original people are back in control, but lack an important member. Something's missing. Utterly daft idea to make it.

[@masterpenguin8472]

Will Smith chose to do Suicide Squad instead.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Major spoilers: The Eiffel Tower survives.

[@akositonton]

I liked it a lot. The plot is admittedly predictable, but this is one of those types of movies that you watch not for the story but for the visuals. There are some weak characters (miscast imho), but the visuals are nice.

[@akositonton]

Based on your comment, it would be difficult to explain what about the movie looked good to me. But it's alright, I respect your opinion. I saw the movie for my self and not for others. The thing is, I've experience many times that I listened to a movie critic that says a movie sucked and not watch it, then it comes out on video and I saw it... and it turns out I liked it and I regretted having not watched it in cinemas. We all have different perspectives and not all would have the same opinion on anything.

[@eddjordan2399]

i love Perry Komo.

[@murdnum]

This film is a set up for the 3rd film, when they "take the fight to them"

[@robertwilliamkearney]

I remember the ID4 name.

[@tigerwa]

I thought it was dreadfully poor, expecting people to be impressed by them making the alien really big must be the very death of innovation, an appeal that would not impress most over the age of 10.

[@musiclinkscanadainc]

I await the sequel to "Mars Attacks"

[@SirDrunkalot1]

Mars Defends?

[@soddof7972]

Mars scores?

[@adamsvids9544]

Too long? You could argue it's not long enough.

[@Destro7000]

I think it was worse than "meh" especially being a fan of the original, (although I believe we're a minority) it was pretty but had bad acting, terrible dialogue, horrifically dumb ideas ( there should never have been a Queen in the first place, why are the aliens just returning in a bigger ship), a bunch of new characters that don't even matter or do anything, and no David Arnold music except those 2 bits where they nick his main theme and just play it completely out of context. I could write a lovely 15-18 rated sequel to ID4 and come up with more clever scenarios than they have, it's just kinda offensive to me that they had these great sets and actors and they didn't use them for something compelling. Also they're the same director/producer and they managed to screw up? Kinda reminds me of George Lucas and Ridley Scott. It's like the directors of great sci-fi movies don't actually realise what the feeling they created in the eyes of their fans initially were, and it was all this kind of accident that they couldn't recreate because they never experienced that intimate atmospheric feeling themselves. What might have helped the film (aside from having a fan as the Writer, and David Arnold music) would have probably been a higher BBFC/age rating. Would have loved to see humans strapped into the biosuits being used as suicide bombers that can't be told apart from aliens or humans losing the war completely with an Empire Strikes Back-style 'the good guys fail' ending. If I hear another "Yeehaw!" or "Concentrate fire!" or "I got your back!" I'm gonna drop a kitten in a meat-grinder, 'The Brothers Grimm'-style.

[@gun1987gunn]

Simon Mayo's constant interrupting of Mark is very annoying.

[@TheTelepathicKid]

I mean you're more than within your rights to have your opinion, But the banter between them is a staple of the podcast, it's what I listen to the podcast for. It's a movie show which isn't about movies, nor sharks, not spying.

[@gun1987gunn]

***** I understand, but sometimes (even in the past) you can see Mark getting visually frustrated with him. But obviously on a public broadcast he has to keep his composure.

[@samvimes5124]

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[@Saur]

He's a constant irritation. I wish they'd ditch him from this show, he always wrecks the flow of the review.

[@samvimes5124]

***** Kermode just has a segment on Simon Mayo's show, so you won't get your wish. Also, Kermode can get a bit pompous, Mayo grounds him quite nicely.

[@beavispdx]

You know what would have made this movie good? Michael Bay directing.

[@Calvincjr91]

just got back from seeing it found it dumb and dull and wasn't invested in it

[@eve582]

Loved the first one, popcorn cinema at its best. The second one was bad, not 'so bad it's good' but just bad. Also have a feeling there is a third one on its way. Heaven help ...

[@DogsBAwesome]

Just seen this last week, it's OK, just switch off your brain and watch stuff happen.

[@alanford3359]

Nice shirt Mayo 😉

[@AMTFan1]

The only thing I can say about Independence Day: Resurgence is that it's just not as good as the original movie... Even if I liked the first Independence Day movie from 1996, this new one, as Mark said is really just "meh"...

[@mattjazzfan2288]

The fact that it’s just “meh” and really bland, makes it so much worse.

[@kennyp9616]

Liked the first hour but then it turned into a samey shoot them up in the last part with too much going on.

[@ricowilko]

I saw the film yesterday and I completely agree with Mark. Jam packed full of cliches and rip offs of other movies.

[@BadTemperedBear1]

Listen to the tone of voice and check the lack of eye contact - these guys hate each other

[@johnmatrix9520]

I agree 100%, this movie wasn't bad, it was just meh.

[@philipslattery2883]

saw this tonight.... shite out of 10. Only scene I generally enjoyed was the moon scene with the wormhole and the orb. I was actually intrigued about it...then meh

[@BenCol]

But the Moon!

[@tarantulaguy1998]

This would work a hell of a lot better if Mark and Simon actually shared a love of movies together, in the same vein of Siskel and Ebert or such, because as it is, Simon comes off as an annoying executive studio man who tells Mark what he can or cannot say because BBC radio, whereas Mark comes off as a guy who loves film and wants to say whatever he wants. Simon's interruptions are really triggering me.

[@lesmoor001]

i loved it it great fun high level cheese and yank bs loved the CGI looking forward the third

[@sweetierufus]

The GCI was dreadful. Script was awful. Independence day had charm. This one was too hard to watch.

[@dankay420]

it's not terrible but it's also not that good. I didn't care about any of the new cast, I did like Jeff Goldblum and Bill Pullman. the Judd Hirsch story line was awful tho. I give it a 6/10

[@jameshammond2846]

I wonder if it's prophetic it releases the day after the EU referendum

[@bijibadness]

"three'd"??

[@allaboutdmagic]

So, I liked this movie less than Mike Stoklasa did and more than Mark Kermode did. Duly calculated.

[@willyum3920]

Yeah its really bad. Every character a mind numbingly boring cliche, everyone does exactly what you expect them to do. There's weird threads of people who just turn up and disappear who you don't care about. Some of the old characters you don't care about because they've changed so much since the first film which is a big problem because without them, its just a bad scifi movie that you have no investment in. Like how in the most recent Starwars trilogy you're just like; yeah.... Luke Skywalker wouldn't actually behave like that though would he. Some of the old characters in this you don't recognise by their actions or situations and have no resonance as they are quickly and dispassionately dispatched. The story is totally generic and somehow hard to follow because you can't be bothered to follow it and it doesn't really matter anyway. The aliens' motivation isn't really clear as their actions are always contrived to create the visual set pieces. For example at one point, baring in mind their mothership has landed on earth, big enough to cover the whole of the Atlantic Ocean, I'll guess 1000 ships fly round and around in a circle to "protect" the alien queen but then she just starts running around in the open desert while her protecting ships are inexplicably absent and that's just to set up what Mark would call "stuff," a visual effects heavy sequence of her chasing a school bus. There's a supposed African warlord in it who is a sort of PG Disney film version but it adds absolutely nothing to the story. If they are trying to show the world is united after the last attack is an African warlord really appropriate to represent that whole continent but the character is just too bland to even be worth wondering if its offensive. Jeff Golblum is great of course and Brent Spiner chews the scenery in a very entertaining way. Other than that, its just boring boring nothing trash garbage. The rest of the cast are utterly forgettable cliches with the most generic personalities reading from The Ladybird Book of Action Movie Dialogue.

[@philbinpar1]

I thought it was pretty bad. Really didn’t need to be made.

[@dreddbustya2153]

Scarlet Traces in 2000AD is much better.

[@cjwright79]

Mayo's constant interruptions just kill this review.

[@manweller1]

I take his reviews with a pinch of salt after he said Force Awakens was a must see. If I had a spare life I would take him to court and sue him rotten.

[@elhehe8476]

3 minutes into the video and I stopped watching, Don't give us a synopsis, review the damn movie! Did it suck? Yes or no?

[@pricklyphlox]

"not unenjoyable footnote"

[@tomwilliams5273]

I watched this review hoping mark would eviscerate the film, I thought it was just terrible. I kindof like watching bad films as well but I didn't even find it enjoyable on this front, it had this strange kindof self aware humour that made it harder to laugh at.

[@rajabbaskhan]

Spoiler heaven...

[@PixelPerfect28]

Mars Attacks better than Independence Day?, what a joke, ID4 was 10 times better. Mars Attacks was crap. Mark is making out that it's equivalent to Shaun Of The Dead compared to Dawn Of The Dead

[@PixelPerfect28]

I totally disagree. I enjoyed Mars Attacks, im a huge Tim Burton fan, however, Independence Day was just a different kettle of fish for me. I loved the design of the spaceships, the sound FXs, i thought it had a better story than Mars Attacks....just an amazing film. Resurgence was god awful though

[@worldofthought8352]

Simon you ruined this video, just let mark talk for christ sake!

[@JamesWilsonMD]

Easily the most stupid film I've ever seen in a cinema, I laughed my head off throughout!

[@shmooveyea]

Settle down you girls.

[@guzzaroolz]

Pipe down Mayo...

[@Louey_]

all the warnings in the movie are two late 2 minutes after that African guy shows em his doodle the us are shooting it down

[@leilahe.683]

I loved the original when it came out, fantastic characters and pacing, great special effects. I think the characters were so fun and endearing. I loathed the sequel. Terrible dark lighting. What is it with all this crappy Underworld-like lighting in films these days? Boring teenage sub-plot with really unrelatable/unlikable characters. Snooze-fest. Even Goldblum couldn't save this stinker for me. 1/10 also.

[@YnseSchaap]

It was an entertaining movie until the Harvester Queen

[@watkinscopicat]

I really feel for mark having to watch all these crappy films.

[@ramupuva3209]

ramupuva

[@borhanus]

6.5 IMDB too bad

[@tomashand4905]

Awful is even too postive of a word to describe this utter dross , the last time I felt so deflated after coming out of a cinema since watching 😣 the insufferable Christmas with the Cranks😣

[@ChrisCowdrey1967]

OK I disagree with this review. It was not meh... It was terrible. Not terrible but funny because etc. Just terrible. I watched it on TV at home so maybe the big screen could have distracted with whizzes and bangs but at home it was terrible.

[@bluesjazznotes9436]

Not for me Mark, did not watch the first one either.

[@DRAINPIPE57]

ONE BIG CASH IN !!! READ MY LIPS No to a I Day 3

[@biancaberbick9296]

Awful and pointless sequel. No reason for this movie to be made.

[@tweeterthemonkeyman383]

Cant wait to see it, bring on the aliens.....

[@truthteller4689]

The odd couple