The Long Awaited Independence Day Sequel Was Dead On Arrival

[@alexanderwinn9407]

I think you missed one of the biggest differences: the original was a WAR movie, it plausibly represented how the US Air Force might respond to such a radically unexpected foe. Huge portions of the film are dedicated to military bases, strategic meetings, large-scale battles, piloting prowess, coordination between armies, and a gradual escalation up to using nuclear weapons. Even the climax hinges on tactical considerations like quantity of airplanes and pilots, ammo depletion, etc. It becomes a semi-serious exploration of how an alien war might actually progress. (Regardless of how realistic you think it actually is, it presents itself as a grounded military story.) But the sequel was a superhero movie. A group of implausibly young, implausibly attractive heroes doing crazy nonsense, alongside returning characters who have no reason to be involved except that they were in the first movie. The climax is "godzilla vs a schoolbus", not an actual battle. And it just ends up feeling hollow, because it doesn't have that more grounded take on how to actually fight for our world.

[@USS_Sentinel]

The MCU disease infects so much media. The African warlord was the only character that I actually liked. I would have loved to see him and his forces in action against the alien holdouts. But instead we got......what we got.

[@peterpeterpumpkineater7318]

Well said!

[@TheCybervoyeur]

I really love this explanation - you're totally right.

[@NoobCraftCasting]

Well said indeed

[@JaySwag77]

I went to a PowerPoint night recently and a guy was talking about the superhero-ificaccation of all of Hollywood, using the fast and the furious series as an example. The first movies were about driving cars, the later ones are about superhuman spies lol. I can totally see that that same thing happened here.

[@ther3aper561]

It boils down to: every scene in Resurgence looks like it's on a green screen whereas ID4 looks and feels real

[@USS_Sentinel]

Plus the ship is just too goddamn big. The mothership in the original was big enough. But this was just idiotic. Plus the characters did not seem to care that half the planet was destroyed with untold numbers of casualties.

[@anubusx]

Pacific Rim feels like it was inspired by it.

[@bobbyhillthuglife]

This. It's not just the lack of stakes that make this movie seem weightless, it's that things actually look physically weightless.

[@matthewnicholas6365]

I can list so many reasons 1) No Will Smith 2) Lack or character from characters 3) ID4 was ground breaking, IDR was just another CGI movie 4) Most of us were wide eyed teens watching ID4. Now we're cynical 40 something adults 5) Surving the first movie events were unlikely. This is absolutely impossible. The planet would have cracked. 6) They made this with more than 1 eye on multiple sequels 7) Chinese arse licking 8) Plot twist tried too hard, felt forced and didn't even pay off

[@GypsumGeneration]

Nerdstalgic are video thieves.

[@sinisterintelligence3568]

Also, keep in mind that in this movie, many of the characters have flushed out story arcs. This is quite rare and unique for movies of this genre. Steven Hiller (Will Smith) wanted to be an astronaut, David Levinson wanted to have a more fulfilling job, and President Whitmore was a "lame-duck" president of lack-luster performance. In the end, the crisis tried and tested them, but they never gave up. Even Randy Quaid's character got some sort of catharsis in the end. Not many movies do that.

[@FrazerEddy]

Flushed out? I think you mean fleshed out.

[@RSG_TheMonster]

Will Smith saying "Welcome to Earth!" after punching an alien in the face will never not be badass!!!

[@decoren45]

He should have slapped it 🖐️👋

[@merloaf0332]

Jesus Christ man, my dyslexic self thought you were dissing will Smith. why can't you people just say "Will Smith saying....in the face will ALWAYS be badass!!!" one of my biggest pet peeves.

[@anubusx]

Welcome to the Oscars.

[@a.h.2667]

I'll be happy when the Oscar slap jokes finally fizzle out.

[@makecba]

And what the hell is that smell!!!!!

[@mrb2349]

The first movie had the human condition in the forefront. Against significant losses and tragedies, people getting together and doing the best they can to overcome the odds. The characters felt real and relatable. A president who is also a loving husband and father trying to sensibly lead in an unprecedented crisis, a very smart broadcast systems specialist whose rejection of aggressive ambition caused him his loving marriage, a capable pilot whose passion to go to space was hindered because of his race and his choice of a life partner, a traumatized Vietnam vet ridiculed and looked down by everyone including his older son despite his struggle to do what’s best for his kids, and many, many other multi-faceted characters. Add to this great cinematography, soundtrack, sound effects, wonderfully alien designs, and you got a great survival movie of epic proportions. The new one has ridiculous, arrogant, unsympathetic characters who belong to “teenage superheroes” genre and were never really even struggling at any point in the movie, some sjw stuff that had no relevance or need to be in the movie and was so ill-attempted that it was obvious they thought the crowd they were playing to were morons, some very lame “close calls” like a mountain sized super smart alien that just can’t catch or shoot a school bus that serves to nothing but making the audience cringe. All they had to do was to portray the world with a collapsed, heavily wounded human civilization against the surviving merciless and noncommunicable alien forces spilling out of the ruins of city destroyers. Make it similar to District 9, show us how aliens salvage and adapt their own tech to build bases near their downed space crafts, which no longer have power now that the mothership is destroyed. Humans would also try to decipher and utilize alien technology, to push back ground attacks and to rebuild civilization, and try to stop the aliens from sending a distress signal. The movie could have ended with humanity defeating the remaining invaders, but failing to prevent the distress signal which would imply a second wave of attack in an unknown future.

[@wjzav1971]

When thinking about the first movie, I remember that scene where Hiller's fiance gets a truck to work and drives to the airbase, collecting various other survivors on the way. The shot of various survivors on the truck, all coming from different slices of society, all ragged and worn but still they have survived. One guy in a business suit made the remark how lucky he was that day to take the subway. It was kind a beautiful.

[@bergamotblonde1645]

They should have had you write it.

[@mrb2349]

@@bergamotblonde1645 even I could imagine a better storyline than they did in 20 years.

[@patrickaker4380]

There was a ton wrong with this movie. Obviously the scale of the ships in ID4 were huge, but they were “believable”. This movie just went with the idea of BIGGER, and it was beyond overkill.

[@Hanoua2]

Like "rise of Skywalker" with thousands of star destroyers equiped with death star weapon.

[@FrazerEddy]

@@Hanoua2Yeah, I don't know if Resurgence is worse than Rise of Skywalker or what.

[@jaimel88]

I barely remember anything from the sequel, but I do recall that one other thing the original had was actual scary moments. The scene where the captured alien held Okun to the glass wall to demand "RELEASE...ME..." was terrifying to me as a kid.

[@SaurianStudios1207]

Almost 30 yrs later, I still remember the thrill of watching the original ID4, the one liners, the explosions, and the characters played by Jeff Goldblum, Will Smith, and Bill Pullman. Yeah it wasn’t high art by any means, and it was silly and over-the-top, but I still think the original movie was a fantastic disaster popcorn flick of the 90s. 7 years later, I barely remember anything about the sequel aside from the fact that it was a sequel that honestly didn’t need to exist, or at the very least could’ve been so much better.

[@ther3aper561]

I honestly forgot it even existed

[@crazyjosho110]

"didnt need to exist" is a statement I unfortunately say way too often. I've said it for this one, Jurassic World, Star Wars, Fantastic Beasts and so many more

[@GypsumGeneration]

Nerdstalgic are video thieves.

[@PrincessNicEssus]

Just remember ID4 keeping me on the edge of my seat and/or chocked up trying not to cry. It felt so real so touchable compared to today’s movies. Movies today are lifeless and bore fests imo.

[@user-ee8gp7vr3q]

Where did they rip off this video??

[@kavik_macdonald2761]

Creatively bankrupt hacks. Not just the movie but also these Nerdstalgic KZbinrs.

[@AlexNV75]

I think u nailed it: the strength of the human spirit despite our frailties is something that always moves me in media. Last night I rewatched Demon Slayer: Mugen Train and that really leans into it. The ending scene is based around this, and it really hits your emotions.

[@markgorte5399]

Unsubscribed because Nerdstalgic plagiarizes videos. I.E. District 9 VFX video that has since been taken down

[@KaiserLandsknecht]

wat

[@RyanMontSerrat]

Please stop plagiarizing other smaller youtubers, thanks!

[@Zombiesnyder13]

The problem wasn't the delay, or Will Smith's absence It was bringing back Roland Emmerich to helm the project After spending the following 20 years making more disaster movies with the same formula, he became unable to bring anything new He literally has nothing else to offer

[@USS_Sentinel]

Is there someone in Hollywood that could have made this movie at least decent?

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Anyone that wasn't Rolland Emmerich

[@Malconeous]

@@USS_Sentinel I hate myself for saying this but honestly, Michael Bay.

[@albertnash888]

It was unanimously agreed to have come 20 years too late. The real problem with the film was that it contains dozens of action scenes but no story. Another necessary thing missing from the film is character development.

[@paulanerruhrpott6188]

To give Emmerich credit, unlike Michael Bay he tried. He made a historical drama, Anonymous, about William Shakespeare, and another drama, Stonewall, about Lgbt-rights, but the arthouse crowd did not take his genuine efforts seriously. Michael Bay however always stayed Michael Bay.

[@ruaheadjunkee2]

Which small KZbinr did you steal this script from?

[@spanishb]

where did you steal this one from?

[@jakeg615]

What small creator did you guys steal this script from?

[@simpl3y]

which creator did you steal this from

[@animegaming4057]

Honestly, is just because Hollywood writers got lazier and dumber. You want a great example of lazy? It’s the comparison of these 2 movies. The second Independence Day has a moment where the hot shot main character, on the mother ship, he distracts the aliens by whipping out his D and pee… That’s not funny, that’s not what draws audiences, it’s just a cheap gag. Also, there isn’t any decision making that is smart or trying to outwit the opponent. In the first movie, they tried to communicate, got shot at, retaliated with the might of most of the forces, got beat up, tried to adapt, fired their most destructive weapon and failed, found out their signal was a weakness, and when the final battle happens, they use 1 jet to see if the shield is working instead of wasting hundreds of missiles. They had to learn and adapt to a superior entity. Smart writing and choreography. Now it’s just, copy and paste more stuff on screen, everything bigger, just put particles everywhere, don’t think just enjoy. There’s no strategy or tactics anymore. No smart villains being outwitted by a smarter protagonist. Things just happening on screen. A prime example is Star Wars sequel trilogy. I mean, that’s why John wick is so hot right now. It is just a dumb action flick, but he way outsmarts his opponents and out skills them in every way. Sheer will.

[@animegaming4057]

Also a quick shoutout to the second my hero academia movie as that’s my fav anime movie. It isn’t just bigger budget and better effects, everything the students do to outsmart the enemy is well thought out. Smartly done on how they dispatched the villains

[@roberttreacy8271]

They should have called the sequel “Independence Day: Regurgitate”.

[@Nerdstalgic]

Well played

[@HonestWatchReviewsHWR]

This is the only film I've ever fallen asleep watching. I never bothered going back to watch the rest of it either. Instead I just went back and watched the first again instead.

[@lukejones8976]

Used to love this channel, now just unsubscribed because they are stealing ideas from smaller, more creative channels. Unfortunate way to go.

[@yautja89]

"Doesn't anyone have any missiles...?" "Sorry I'm late Mr Preaident!!" The Russell Case character went a long way in the original and Resurg def lost a lot of heart without a similar character

[@TheDreamfinder99]

Pilot, identify yourself!!

[@yautja89]

@@TheDreamfinder99 "It's me! Russell Case, Sir! I told you I wouldn't let you down."

[@junebugsolaris]

@@yautja89 aight gentlemen let’s pile the road 😏

[@billyrigby4839]

“Hey boys, I’m baccccck!”

[@TheDreamfinder99]

@@billyrigby4839 Good luck buddy..

[@unavezms8167]

Why everything now has to be a franchise? Why can't movies be one and done things? 🙏

[@Tank50us]

Because movies are very expensive to make, and if they don't hit home, there's a lot of money lost, and if a studio loses too much, they could be forced to close (which in turn means a lot of low-to-mid level employees are now unemployed). So many studios tend to feel safer spending $250mil on a sequel to a film that was at least successful, while at the same time, not willing to gamble more than maybe a few million on a film with no existing fan following. Mix that with the attitude of many writers and directors towards the audience, and the natural reaction of moviegoers to that attitude, and you get a Hollywood that really doesn't know what to do... so playing it safe is, in their eyes, the single best option. What would help matters is if the studio heads took a look at the formulas of what worked, rather than the films that worked (though it's easier to sell the latter in an elevator). If the studio heads did that, and hired directors and writers who could deliver, we'd see a lot more films capable of standing on their own without the brand recognition. But, for now we have writers and directors who all but hate their own audience, an audience that hates being treated like idiots (at best) or bigots (at worst), and studio execs that think that huge ticket sales = forever ultimate success.

[@wjzav1971]

You want that to change? Let money speak. When going to the theatre, look if there are movies that are original. Non-franchise, non-sequel, non-adaptations of established IP. There are. Original movies are still made. But most people overlook them. Watch them. Show Hollywood that a completely original film can be profitable. Because money is the only language studios understand.

[@arminxvs3372]

Money - greed.

[@JadedJassy21]

Exactly!

[@FilmscoreMetaler]

I still kinda liked the sequel for its gigantism, mass destruction and spectacle but it didn't need to be ID2. And no matter if you like the original's lead actor, a sequel without him will always feel forced and disconnected.

[@SchmergDergen]

Cause it was shit. A cash in sequel missing the lead, telling us he died off screen lol.

[@17R3W]

I think the idea of setting a story after an alien invasion instead of during was brilliant. It gives me "the leftover" vibes. What would the culture be like in a world that had survived an alien attack. They take that brilliant premise and then tell yet another alien invasion story.

[@nerychristian]

True. They could have made the movie be about a world that had changed so quickly- due to the introduction of advanced alien technology. Now the government is using that technology to enslave humanity. But some people are trying to form a resistance to stop that technology from destroying humanity. Or they could go the "Jurassic Park" route and say that scientists recovered some alien bodies during ID4. And now they are trying to clone them and use their DNA to "improve" humans.

[@TheForsakenEagle]

Exactly this. Humanity has alien technology and had built an orbital defense network in case the aliens return. That entire effort is instantly destroyed so they can retell the same story again but worse. The aliens have a comically large ship to shoot a laser from the sky the heroes must stop in time. I guess the aliens didn't really want to colonize Earth after all. Remember how the aliens are just as frail as us but they have superior technology? Now there is a queen and if we kill her, then the stupid aliens who can't think for themselves will just drop dead. I feel like they hired actual 12-year-old Marvel fans to write this script. At least this movie proves the original is actual pretty good.

[@Maramara13Fly]

the premise was good. not many films do that. it's just that the execution was horrible. What's the point of adapting the tech as our own only for it to become utterly useless when needed. THE PRIMARY WEAPON THAT WIPED CITIES was like a disappointing soak gun... :/

[@Shantosh9550]

Two things that bothered me that wasn't mentioned in the video: 1. Not bringing back Mae Whitman as the President's Daughter 2. The China pandering and the Chinese product placement.

[@CivilianSatellite]

I was pretty disappointed when Mae Whitman said she wasn't even approached to reprise her role for the sequel. But after watching the movie, yeah, she dodged a bullet by not having her name attached to this train wreck.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

Rolland Emmerich thought he could do the same thing forever That's why his career went downhill

[@jcohasset23]

I think one thing not mentioned is the size of the cast in Resurgence. Sure ID4 had a lot of supporting cast but it's main focus was always on Smith, Pullman, Goldblum, and Quaid. Resurgence not only has Pullman and Goldblum returning but also had focus on Hemsworth, Jessie Usher, and Maika Monroe, and gives more focus on most of the supporting cast that survived and returned for the sequel (like Jude Hirsch, Brett Spiner, and William Fichtner) aswell as its own supporting cast. This made the story feel rather bloated. I'll also point out that at times the cgi effects look really good but other times it's very obvious it's cgi.

[@JamieSwitzer]

I think there was this miserable/depressing feeling to the movie, which is NOT what you want from your summer blockbuster sequel. (This ain't no Empire Strikes Back either btw) It's weird because I thought making an amazing sequel would've been an easy task. I missed Will Smith in it. There were interesting ideas, but that's it. I have no desire to see it again.

[@eyo8766]

Probably comes from the idea that movies should "mimic" our reality which is depressing unfortunately. No more room for mindless fun these days

[@GypsumGeneration]

Nerdstalgic are video thieves.

[@taurinstraiter2325]

What I realize watching certain movies including these ones is the fact that A GREAT double feature doesn't always mean you watch the original with the first sequel because the sequel turns out so bad. No, you instead take a similar movie (usually released around the same time). In the case of Independence Day (1996) I'll likely choose Armageddon (1998). Other examples are: Anaconda (1997) and Lake Placid (1999) despite having sequels. And people shouldn't forget The Shallows (2016) and 47 Meters Down (2017) with the latter one having a bad sequel as well... Sorry for getting off track but I wanna mention this!

[@GypsumGeneration]

Nerdstalgic are video thieves.

[@Sandul666]

Fun fact, the reason the laptops can hack the alien motherships is because our technology in id4 was still based off of reverse engineering the captured ship in roswell, based on the limited data we could gather.

[@sculptureofsound2]

Independence Day is one of my fav movies. It knows exactly what it is and celebrates that, its awesome. The second one took itself too seriously and the cast - with the exception of Goldblum - was juat bleh.

[@makecba]

so, Suicide Squad fucked us up in two fronts: it made Will Smith not appear on ID Resurgence - and possibly save the movie - and we ended up having Suicide Squad as well...

[@Will_Parker]

I think the only idea in Resurgence that was good is that humanity is the only species that successfully fought them off and the other alien races NEED us to join them. It takes the right amount of "HUMANITY, F YEAH" that the first one had and dials it up to 11, which is more important to the feel of the series than a ton of CGI.

[@alexschmitz3414]

This is my first time ever hearing about a sequel.

[@Colouh]

Let's pretend you didn't hear about it. It will be better this way

[@carlsoll]

5:33 Yeah your plot armor is showing Patrick

[@neuro.weaver]

Because instead of building it on the heroic president declaring a new War of Independence, the tried to build the sequel on the racist old man who had blatantly declared that gentiles "are not perfect".

[@NextToToddliness]

Independence Day was almost universally panned by critics when it came out, and only became a big hit, because of the spectacle. That only works if the thing you're showcasing is a novelty. We have SO many films like Independence Day now, it's not novel. Thus, it didn't work. People think they liked it because of the story, but when you remove the 'splosions, it's a mediocre script with some great actors doing their all to sell it. No one feels like they need to sell anything in these new films, and that makes everything feel unearned.

[@thegnarledpirate9198]

They should've known that, just like those old 50's alien movies, the sequels never top the original.

[@grapeshot]

Yeah the movie was terrible and it was definitely a movie that I guess was supposed to appease Chinese audiences.

[@cmbaz1140]

I hated that...and that is the sole reason i dislike the martian movie

[@nemeth-it]

The sequel should have been about the aftermath of the alien invasion from the first movie. The humans predict a second wave of attack in 20 years due to the debris left behind by the aliens. The aliens travel in stasis for centuries or thousands of years to conquer planets. The humans prepare for the second wave using the same strategy as before, but things don't go as planned. Just as the humans think they have won, modern alien ships suddenly appear in their universe, revealing that the aliens had placed a jump-portal on the edge of their universe. A jump-gate releasing new ships which are much more advanced than the ones from the first invasion. So, the first wave was just cleaning up, the second wave setting up the jump-gate and the third wave becomes the real thread. So, the heroes face new challenges at the beginning of the sequel, but at last, they've flown too close to the sun. The stage is set for Independence Day 3, where the focus will be back on a new battle and survival against the beloved formula of the first movie: David vs. Goliath. That is what I hoped for, when the sequel was announced, and what we got? Hollywood's usual formula of silly story, bigger canons, more explosions and much more Space Invaders FX. :(

[@nerychristian]

Or it could have gone more small scale. And focus on areas of the planet where some aliens managed to escape. And now there are smaller skirmishes in some cities.

[@Maramara13Fly]

i would've loved it if it showed we were winning first. Like "Hell yeah, this aint the same planet!" and then an armada shows up. Then the despair sinks in, that we were way over our heads. The Harvesters have been doing this for aeons and we only had 20 years to prep against an alien race that spans the cosmos. it brings back the underdog moment again. the majority of the film could've happened in space, and the timer was not them reaching the core, but for the forces of earth to slowly get pushed back, and that the heroes try to figure out a way to beat the queen before they breach the last line of defense. the setting would've been not advance humans losing to aliens with the same tech, but advance humans fighting against am idea that they never really thought about, "an army of galactic proportions" The female president could've despaired thinking to herself that humanity was way over its head to think that it can fight a species that nearly decimated them with with a single mothership that was designed for regular harvesting. seeing the armada would've humbled the cast that, "Oh shit, the first one was for farming, this, this is how they wage war."

[@JW-zn1dd]

Killing a main character off screen. Never a good idea.

[@zwenkwiel816]

I loved the first movie as a kid, never even knew they made a sequel

[@thegnarledpirate9198]

I bet if the aliens had joked about Will Smith's wife the invasion would've ended sooner.

[@DavidNicholson101]

😂😂😂

[@JCasR3]

I think they could pull off the third movie… having humans barely survive and take for granted everything they built with the alien technology. You could have a divided society, where most of world has lost hope and just want to survive. Then there is the vocal minority that wants to follow the orb alien to the united galactic rebellion… who are not all they seem. Ultimately taking the fight to the alien home world. In the end humanity has to face the reality, we too have committed the same sins as our enemies, and a choice between who we are and who we want to be needs to be made.

[@indianaCurtis]

How did this movie fail as a legacy sequel but something like top gun maverick succeeded? 😮😑

[@nbucwa6621]

didn't maverick have the original lead in it? that would be step one. making a sequal without the original lead is always a tougher sell.

[@KravKernow]

I think this was a problem with all the Star Wars expanded universe and subsequent films. The original trilogy is the classic rag tag bunch of underdogs who find it within themselves to overcome impossible odds. But then everything became so 'superlative'. Perhaps this is most evident with the Millennium Falcon. It was the little ship that could. But now it's the most powerful spacecraft in the galaxy. So where's the jeopardy? And the farm boy becomes the most powerful Jedi. Leia is the galaxy's best diplomat, and a quasi Jedi to boot. Han is an all conquering hero, rather than the shady rogue who eventually did the right thing for his new found friends etc. The Kessel Run thing is perhaps the epitome example. What was just a nonsense bluff from a chancer trying to pull the wool over the eyes of potential clients for a quick buck, is now some actually real impressive achievement. But if everyone is a superhero now; then of course they will win. I mean, we all know the heroes will win (but cf ESB) but at least it should be a bit of a struggle for them.

[@DavidNicholson101]

Part of the problem with this film is it reliance on nostalgia. Some films really work with it such as Ghostbusters afterlife and Picard season three but it just didn’t work with this film. They needed to do something new.

[@fatalshore5068]

Picard s03 is a train wreck just like the first 2 seasons. Big reveal is the same bad guy they've been beating up for 25 years? Never saw that coming. How bout spending 15 mins licking the enterprise D while earth is supposedly being assimilated. How bout spacedock getting shot by 1000 starfleet ships for 6 hours and being fine. How bout the all to predictable save Jack via "the power of love" from a guy he has known for 2 weeks. They even did a flashback montage of their memories together....of the last 2 weeks lol. It's terrible.

[@DavidNicholson101]

@@fatalshore5068 Nitpicks. You make a lot of great points, but during an episode of TNG, Data calculated that one starship could stand against 11 Romulan vessels and that when the Enterprise showed up, that tipped the fight in the Federation starship’s favor. Uh, wut? Or how about any of the other problems between ToS and Enterprise. The point is watch it and enjoy it. Of course, you’re entitled to your opinion, but I happen to feel the nitpicks aren’t worth it in light of all the great moments they gave us.

[@SilverTheGamerRPmaster]

If only we had a president like Whitmore

[@LudosErgoSum]

Three things pisses me off with these new Hollywood movies: 1. Everything is BIGGER just because. Like the BIG Predatoe in the new Predator movie. It's just lame. 2. Nostalgia by references to earlier installments either by characters mentioning it or by showing clips as part of the new installment. Fourth wall breaking, anyone? 3. New blood. The next installment has to have a new generation to carry the legacy. This is what they did with the whole Sequel Trilogy in Star Wars. Nobody cares! I don't need new characters doing the same as the previous ones; I need NEW STORIES with fitting characters that drive the plot forward with their own actions.

[@dplunk13]

So much of the original movie relies on the charisma of Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum. The likes of Liam Hemsworth were nowhere near the caliber needed to carry a sequel. Goldblum himself didn't have it anymore. Tightening up the script and getting a different director wouldn't have made up for it.

[@joester4life]

It was DoA because ID4 had way more marketing than ID4 sequel did. I remember seeing ID4 trailer over and over with ID4 toys all around me in Walmart... and I never even heard of the movie, until I just stood there as a zombie.

[@ActionJackson1982]

As far as legacy sequels go, made decades later… this was fine. Didn’t love or hate it. I would still like to see a ID4 part 3, it would have to release in 2026 to mean anything.

[@timprovphilly]

I always thought this movie had some really, really good ideas in it that were wasted because it wanted to do the same old, same old. I wanted to see the movie where the Aliens came to Earth asking for our help in destroying the other race, which I'm pretty sure was going to be the third movie, but it needed to be THIS movie because just rehashing the first movie just made the one we got kind of boring.

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

I always thought that Independence Day should have ended (or ID2 should have began) with ground troops emerging from the wreckage of the alien ships and the battle continuing, very much like Battle: LA The idea of Earth adapting the technology of the aliens and making ships is very Robotech: Macross which is dope, but somehow they screwed the story up

[@RingoFreakingStarr]

It has come to my attention that your channel heavily plagiarises other videos/essays when creating content. I'm unsubbing because of this.

[@taWay21]

independence day still gives me chills! "I'm Backkkkk!"

[@bensneb360]

I mean this movie kind of led to a resurgence in Jeff Goldblum’s career, so at least something good came out of it

[@nicksorenson940]

I feel like there's only one real reason why I ended up buying both movies together, and it was because "Fox is getting bought out by Disney, so who knows if we ever will get any more movies in this franchise from the same director again?". Whether Resurgence was really a sequel that will ever hold up to the same extent that the original ID4 has seemed to be more of an afterthought. Still like that they showed us the alien queen though, I'll give it that.

[@balpreetsingh6834]

Today i cane to know that there is an Independence Day sequel

[@commentinglife6175]

The problem with the movie was it traded fun for pandering. It was pandering to older audiences ("see him? He was in the first movie!"), it was pandering to modern movie tropes (see all the nonsense with the female pilot, who was the president's daughter, I think?), and it was pandering VERY HARD to the Chinese! It stopped being a mindless afternoon flick that was meant to be enjoyable, as the first one was, and was more focused on making sure everybody could "see themselves" in it. But, that wasn't what the first one was! Part of the magic of the first movie was the US! The monuments destroyed? American! The "savior" pilots? In the final battle, American. The entire concept of the movie? Hello, Independence Day IS America! Call it the hero stereotype if you will, but the movie pushed heavily into the "America has to be the heroes" trope, which could be seen as making fun of Americans but did so in a way that even Americans realized it! (How many reviews of the movie have pointed out, as I did, that ONLY American icons are destroyed on screen?) That is okay, though, cause the movie says, "We know you think you always have to be the hero; well, okay, you get to play the hero but to make it more interesting, here's what you have to lose first." And honestly, audiences accepted that bargain! Of course, it helps, as others have pointed out, that this move - for all the aliens and sci-fi and everything - it truly is grounded in reality. This is how it would go if this were to actually happen. That reality was sorely missing in the second movie. Ignoring Pullman's character (cause that was fantasy), but anyone who knows government bureaucracies knows there is no way in hell Goldblum's character would last more than 2 years in that role - and he'd only get that BECAUSE of his hero status from the first movie!

[@isteyak78]

Man! Just apologize for what you did😂 Content stealing wasn't the problem, problem was stealing from small channel 🙄

[@stephentruelove5439]

The most comparable "do it again, but bigger" is The Force Awakens. That's what made The Last Jedi so enjoyable, to me. We were back to original storytelling.

[@jonathanwright8025]

It was original, different, subversive - and got a massive backlash because of it. So in Rise of Skywalker they just retconned it and created...whatever that nonsensical mess of studio notes and and committee meetings was.

[@eltoroloco1936]

The budget was less than $180 million and grossed close to $390 million worldwide. It was a success but risking more for another movie wasn't in the cards with the way the young characters played out. I think if we give it to the mid-2030's with a new director and older cast that can make it that far, they can look at scripts.

[@johnrb0213]

I genuinely don't know why writing for film sequels thinks bigger is better.. Or that so deeply subverting a beloved characters beloved journey ever works... We now have decades of constant failures to remind studios and writers that audiences hate it. That's all the data you'd need.

[@fatalshore5068]

So many of those projects still made money, to the execs they were successes. They will never learn the lesson you want them to because they couldn't give 2 shits if the movies are good or not. Do. They. Make. Money.

[@johnrb0213]

@Fatal Shore that I understand ...but.... these cheap cash grabs make money and piss off fans...so it's great for pumping out a quick blockbuster..but not so great for any studio wanting to build a franchise or cinematic universe. They should know by now that if you want it to have longevity and continue to print you money...then characters need a better amount of care. Otherwise you're one and done. For example...in this movie...they made their money. But destroyed the ability to do it again with this franchise.

[@108asf]

ID4 is a movie about 9/11 before 9/11. ID4 2 is a movie about Irak. It's a whole different target audience

[@nerychristian]

Interesting comment. I hadn't thought about that before. The first movie came out in a time when most Americans were still patriotic and trusted their government, and felt a duty to join the military to fight bad guys. Now a days, you have people who get offended if you show any patriotism. There are also many people who are distrustful of the government, and are tired of the endless wars in the middle east. So they aren't going to willingly join the military to fight whoever the government decides is the bad guy this year.

[@benwasserman8223]

I’ll say the idea of next-gen humanity regarding the alien invasion like a post-9/11 moment made sense. But the original Independence Day worked for its simplicity (and novel special effects). Resurgence was overly convoluted and underwhelming at the same time by comparison.

[@peter9276]

Where’d you steal this video from?

[@Maramara13Fly]

One improvement could have been showing humanity having a fighting chance at first, then descending into despair. There could have been more ships. One arrives, and we manage to hold off at moon base. The defense grid could have helped to pierce the shields and then it leads to a dogfight in space. Just when everything seems fine, a more bigger ships appear, an armada. Jeff would've had the line, well that's certainly more than the last time. Instead, the film showcased the advancement and adaptation of alien technology, all put to naught for no reason at all. The dreaded primary weapon from the first movie reduced to a mere pea shooter; the same weapon that could wipe out cities did a weak "pew." Plus, seriously, no one adapted the shields? They added shields to the tugboat but not to the moon base, the jets, or Earth itself? It was disappointing because seeing humanity grows to the point of traveling to Saturn, only to be reduced to helpless cockroaches, is frustrating and illogical. It's hard to grasp the concept of "evolving to have the same tech as them but still being beaten by the same tech as them." Humanity fighting an armada would have been better since it would boil down not to the technology, but to the sheer scale of the battle. It could have shown that while we might be advanced enough to fight off a single ship, we are not prepared for an armada of galactic proportions.

[@sgillespie964]

I have NEVER heard this film referred to as ID4

[@Zelein]

So it just came to my attention that you, Nerdstalgic, have a tendency to steal videos from smaller channels and promote it as your own. You allegedly did this with the "District 9 VFX" video that I can't seem to find anymore. So I'm just gonna unsubsribe and try to find these channels instead since, you know, it appears the allegations are true. Make your own videos dude. You have 1+ million subscribers. Stop stealing other people's content...

[@PseudoEmpathy]

NS was bought out 2 years ago, OG dude just reads a script twice a week now. If you look at the backlog of videos you can see the quality nosedive approximately 2 years ago, give or take 2 months.

[@garyison1818]

Died in a training exercise? Why didn't they just say he retired? Thats why this movie is straight to dvd material

[@ThatFanBoyGuy]

Part of the problem was that FOX, which was not owned by Disney at the time, was trying to make Independence Day their Star Wars in terms of marketing and merchandising. Unfortunately, FOX failed to see that the only common denominator between ID4 and Star Wars was aliens. Star Wars in a combination of western and fantasy, which so just so happens to take place in space. ID4 was a combination of sci-fi and natural disaster tragedy. ID2 is trying to take that sci-fi/natural disaster combo and turn into a western/fantasy combo, and it just didn't work out

[@Woodnsword]

Not going to watch this or any more Nerdstalgic videos. Just came to say that copying other people's content is lame. You should feel bad.

[@Carmelmen1]

My date took me to see this. And we couldn't get over how terrible this movie was. It was like watching a very, very, very slow motion train wreck!

[@darylrichardson8567]

Have you guys ever met a fighter pilot? They’re reserved & quite, until you ask them about flying.

[@lauroralei]

I still maintain the far better sequel would have been following the ground war of that landed ship in Africa in the wake of a global apocalypse. It was such a throwaway scene but that is where the potential and the $$ would have been

[@nerychristian]

Or it could have been about the government finding a few aliens at the end of ID4. And they take them to a military base and begin to experiment on them. And raising the question of whether or not it is ethical to use aliens as lab rats. And Will Smith, deciding that it is wrong to experiment on them. So he makes an agreement with the aliens, to help them escape, as long as they promise to leave the planet and never come back.

[@PKGangsta18]

I loved where they took the universe, and how humans reversed engineered a lot of their technology. They got some cool tech out of it. But I didn't like the ending. It felt too "final boss" like. And there was no sense of urgency like the first movie. But I actually enjoyed this entry. I didn't hate it like many people did. But the original was definitely better

[@bergamotblonde1645]

My problem with it was that the President's daughter was someone I couldn't be bothered to like, and then after they insist on having her they don't even focus on her, they switch to her boyfriend. It felt like they needed a strong female trope and then realized they didn't even believe in her to carry her part of the story.

[@YolandaPlayne]

Remember when I was a little kid and I saw the original and they said in the media that they would make a sequel in the year 2000. 2016 is just too long for anybody to care. By that time I rarely watched movies at all and I wouldn't want to spend money on some cheesy half baked sci-fi, action garbage. John Wick is about as cheese as I'll go and there is a lot more meat than cheese

[@quietspark8703]

ID4 was a movie about how humanity deals with facing overwhelming odds that just happens to have an alien invasion as the inciting event. IDR was a movie about an alien invasion and how advanced technology is leveraged to repel said invasion. One has hearth the other doesn't.

[@ToshoCorporation]

Cake here to unsubscribe. Video theft is not a joke.

[@bradavon]

The Americans saving the world in ID4 always granted though.

[@proZach380]

It's pretty simple: studios have to keep putting out sequels/prequels/reboots/rebooquels no later than ~20 years apart (regardless of quality) so that they can keep the rights, and nothing ever becomes part of the public domain. That's why we just got another (awful) Matrix movie and another (likely awful) Indiana Jones is on the way.

[@tecpaocelotl]

Boomer should have become a telepathic long living dog since he barely survived the blast, which mutated his genes who happened to have a cult. Lol.

[@JamieSwitzer]

haha, that's so outlandish it would've been great. and why not, go full on B movie. make it fun! Make the sequel insane and a parody like Gremlins 2!

[@youarenotrede]

The original Independence Day was a B movie with a AAA cast and budget. (I say this affectionately, I've watched it dozens of times like everyone else)

[@kentonsam4264]

It has ALOT of problems, but the one that bugs me the most is, sure the president's wife gets a hospital wing named after her but Russell Case and his family get nothing, not even a mention.

[@BaldBogey]

ID4 was such a perfect film, it didn't need a sequel

[@ninjapirate83]

I literally forgot this movie existed...

[@thomaspoole7654]

Unsubbed, can’t support content stealers

[@DominickSpano]

I recall Independence Day sequel and I remember feeling it was okay. It was a far cry for the original, but I felt it wasn't bad.

[@mordaciousfilms]

Its that thing of when the sequel plays things up SO MUCH, we as the audience become numb to it. The over-reliance on spectacle CGI setpieces undermines the impact of every moment. Like suddenly you're just watching shapes blowing up on screen. There's no nuance anymore. They take things to such ridiculous proportions that strangely, it makes the films come across boring and lifeless. 90s sci-fi/action felt more grounded because it was. It wasn't all shot on green-screens. Their limitations technologically lead to better storytelling and acting/characters.

[@fighterck6241]

6:30. This I don't consider a problem. It would have been incredibly unrealistic if, after successfully repelling an alien invasion, humanity just looked at technology possibly a thousand years more advanced than our own and said "Nope, we're good..." If you're even going to do a sequel (which is probably the real main issue) this is kind of the route that has to be taken.

[@TerraOmnis]

When you don’t know if the ideas of the channel you’re watching are even their own anymore, it’s time to unsubscribe. I always thought this channel discussed really obscure media topics. Now I find out you’re stealing then from smaller creators, get bent. Unsubbed.

[@shadowleon659]

Independence Day Resurgence is easily Roland Emmerich's worst film and this is coming from a guy who enjoys Godzilla 1998 as decent monster film and 2012 as an okay time waster at best.

[@MrMax2898]

I frickin love ID4

[@PseudoEmpathy]

NS was bought out 2 years ago, OG dude just reads a script twice a week now. If you look at the backlog of videos you can see the quality nosedive approximately 2 years ago, give or take 2 months.

[@AFishNamedBob]

I'll be honest, I forgot there WAS a sequel until your video. lol