The Jordie Barrett effect | Munster's split explained | The Rugby Show

[@andrewmcdermott3144]

45:16 Scott Fardy falls under that superstar bracket for me. The Leinster teams that have won European trophies always had the likes of a Rocky Elsom, Isa Nacewa, Nathan Hines, Brad Thorn or Scott Fardy to enhance the squad or raise standards

[@Cgoggin100]

I do agree that the fundamentals haven't been up to scratch since Lancaster left

[@daithipol]

Maybe if their fundamentals had improved they would have a perfect 35 URC points rather than a pitiful 34 😂😂😂

[@Cgoggin100]

@daithipol 🤣 it's disgraceful really

[@eoinmiller5620]

Nothing won yet

[@danielokeeffe6358]

​@@eoinmiller5620still bet the head of the leaving cert applied lads from Munster in the Interpro and the A game

[@roberttwomey2011]

Terrible when the French do it but when Ulster do it its been strategic 🤔

[@SMacCuUladh]

Playing the champions away from home is not the same, man.

[@IrishBorussen]

I wonder will it get to the point where they increase the 4-Try BP for away teams maybe or offer say 2pts extra for an away win? Sounds ridiculous but it's a genuine discussion when it comes to encouraging sides to play full strength and go for it.

[@tennistankRF]

​@@IrishBorussenthats a really good idea!

[@IrishBorussen]

@@tennistankRF Thanks! It feels ridiculous to say but it seems like the only other possible incentive other than money (which the ECC won't have/want to pay out). Even if say a team with more losses but more try bonuses gets into the next round over a team with more wins but played their second string constantly.

[@seanomalley7073]

Ulster have a massive injury crisis and had little choice but to be conservetive

[@richard-king-]

Convinced that people poking holes in Prendergast's game have never actually watched him play...

[@DM-rp9ik]

It's like the counter hype. People don't like change especially when it's so blindingly clear he's good

[@conormarren]

The man is pure class. A thoroughbred.

[@kiaoragin]

He's got more speed than Ross Byrne, that's for sure. He looks class to me.

[@bernardtynan1725]

After watching the leinster v bristol game it's beginning to look like Irelands discipline issue is actually a leinster discipline issue,17 penalties and 3 yellows

[@gerardfitzpatrick60]

Stade ? 😂😂😂

[@bernardtynan1725]

​​@@gerardfitzpatrick60is it difficult to understand what I meant,I'll change it to make it simpler for you

[@gerardfitzpatrick60]

@ just pointing out you fooked up Bernard, Bristol played Leinster ya muppet

[@bernardtynan1725]

​@@gerardfitzpatrick60point taken and apologies,got distracted by all the munster talk

[@tomgreene1843]

Who is teaching them to play like that?

[@EweTubeIreland]

Great podcast, really knowledgeable guys giving very well thought out takes. Enjoyed this one!

[@DM-rp9ik]

Also good to see the S&C guys talking sense to Prendergast and not bulking him early amd unnaturally. They know their stuff.

[@Colin_Power]

Joe's right, the French teams have always sent 2nd teams for away games in the group stages regardless of format. Great point though if they also do it in the top 14 then they can hardly make the excuse that they're saving players for top 14.

[@Len-ms1mx]

The English send far more 2nd teams into this competition than the French. But as usual British /Irish media ignore this and overly attack the one group that doesn't have a voice in your media (because they don't speak English) Attacking the French will not fix this competition which is nothing

[@paulnash5500]

Totally agree about the Irish team not having a hardman for when it's needed. POM will be missed for this, and of course, his rugby 🏉

[@daithipol]

How is he a hardman? Tugging jersies and slagging sam Cane? What has he ever done that's hard? About 4/5 seasons ago when laws were different POM could take a beating while poaching a ball on the ground like no other. That was years ago but it was hard. I wouldn't have picked him since then. He rarely gets good tackle numbers, carries little and you think he'll be missed because he runs in and tugs a few jersies 😂😂😂

[@seangriffin8659]

rugby has to rethink its calendar. internationals one weekend, domestic league the next, champions cup the next. as soon as the urc or champions cup starts getting traction, it's off to another month long pause. complete ridiculous planning if you're trying to generate interest or superstars or take care of player welfare. champions cup is no longer fit for purpose. it should take place after the domestic league finals. finalists from top 14, prem, and urc make 2 pools with 3 teams each. all of the champions and a shot at revenge for the runners up.

[@RealLimerickman]

Munster game was not sold out for Stade Fraçais game. Attendance was comparable to a good URC Attendance. The All Blacks IV was sold out with extra seating behind the goals. I felt sorry for the Stade fans who turned up to Thomond park and watch the terrible performance of their team. They were in good spirits before the game.

[@SCookeVid]

My god, this is so depressing. It's only the pundits in Ireland bashing the tournament.

[@DM-rp9ik]

@@SCookeVid They always need to bash something it's a thing for some reason.

[@devostating]

Nice to have the OTB content not behind a paywall.

[@AntonChigurh989]

As a Natal Sharks Supporter I am loving this tournament dispite the fact that none of our teams will win it. But I take your point, most french teams and English teams are keen. Scottish URC champs might have a go

[@kookvision9295]

Scots tend to get found out at champions cup level

[@ConradMurphy]

I would have thought Sharks have the team to go far, if they sort out their consistency.

[@lharrington11]

The pubs in England do not show Premier Sports, so we can't watch it.

[@nickjohns1192]

Streaming sites are constantly getting shutdown but there are a few replay that seem to stay up a bit longer It is a balls not watching it live but is well handy when you do miss the game One site I use shows nearly every game from all over the world

[@boatman6865]

Barrett changed the game when he came on

[@patrickyoung3503]

Excellent content from the team . Great analysis of the rugby scene . Overall my mind kept busy with the content . Congratulations on professional broadcasting .

[@tennistankRF]

Are you a robot.

[@JoeBloggz-x2j]

Cheque in the post.

[@alanoneill3167]

Hook it to my veins folks.

[@DM-rp9ik]

Joe makes some good points but some is bollix. 2 or 3 French teams was about as many who where competitive at any point. Only Toulon Clermont and Toulouse are now LA ROCHELLE BBU and Toulouse. Its a strawman argument as it was ever thus.

[@robertmorgan000]

Bring back the old heineken cup. The "more games = more money" approach is killing REAL competition and wearing out players

[@ciaranfortune4192]

In France the tournament itself in only on bein sports too and I think there is one game on free to air for the big French teams

[@seanofarrell8896]

Drop last 16

[@ucanprofit]

I will be on my 3rd trip to Northampton in Jan.

[@daithipol]

After ½ the show blowing smoke up munsters ass with their win over a 13man Stade B side they move on to Leinster with 7 bonus points wins out of 8 games this season but their attack is holding back ireland. All these shows do is talk about the munster they want not the one they have. Then pick holes in leinster and virtually ignore the other two sides 😂😂😂

[@mikeryan6276]

Munster. Daithí. It's what the people want. It's what they listen to. Leinster? Oh, they'll march through the season like a well-oiled machine, steamrolling their way to yet another European final. The script is predictable: dominant in the group stages, clinical in the knockouts, and then-at the final hurdle-they’ll crumble once more to Toulouse. Same story, different year. But Munster? That’s a different tale altogether. Theirs is the story we savor, the one we’ll talk about long after the season ends. Romantic, unpredictable Munster. They'll stumble through the group stages, scraping their way into the knockouts by the skin of their teeth. The draw will be unkind, sending them away to a tricky Premiership side or a French heavyweight. Against all odds, they’ll muster something special. A late try, a backs-to-the-wall defensive stand-whatever it takes to crawl over the line. The price? Injuries. Always injuries. Their best players will pay the toll in blood, sweat, and strained hamstrings. Next up, another daunting away trip. Maybe to a South African fortress, or yet another hostile French stadium. And yet again, romantic Munster will dig deep, summoning a gutsy, defiant performance to topple giants. The fans? They’ll start to dream. Craig and Jack will suddenly be in Lions contention. The pundits-Joe Molloy, Ian Madigan, and the rest-will gush about the prospect of a Prendergast vs. Crowley European final. But the fairy tale will falter. The semi-final awaits: Toulouse. And this time, Munster will have nothing left to give. Their team-a patchwork of battered veterans and lads called up from the AIL just to fill the bench-will fight bravely but fall short. We’ll all say, Well done, lads. No shame in that. They gave it their all, leaving nothing behind on the pitch. Because that’s Munster. Romantic. Gutsy. The team that turns despair into drama and keeps us coming back for more. They’re not just a team-they’re the main event. Always.

[@bejaysus7388]

​@mikeryan6276 that comment is poetic 👏👏👏👏

[@daviiidoff]

@@mikeryan6276 keep dreaming princess 🤣🤣 Castre will smash munster this weekend

[@andrewmcnulty6815]

Ringrose dropping the ball on the wing with the try line waiting, was very uncharacteristic.

[@SlMiSe]

Joe is way off the mark with the Stade thing. If URC sides had to deal with relegation the way top14 sides do, a lot of them would be making very similar decisions to the French sides. Leinster "disrespect" the domestic competition the whole time by playing second teams. It's simply a matter of priorities in a sport that flogs its players mercilessly for almost 12 months of the year. If you want teams to play their players, there has to be fewer games. No suit in a boardroom will go for that because that means less money in the coffers.

[@ciaranfortune4192]

Maybe the prize money needs to be a lot higher to get the French to go full in?

[@ColmOCallaghan-i6b]

What will ye say when Leinster have to rest 16 internationals in URC due to player welfare

[@jlsimonable]

one key factor you (JM) dont include in your comment re some French team not sending their best to the European championship. In top 14 there is relagation. No safety or easy like in the premiership or URC. And dont complain about french teams! Best success rate in the European competition. This Joe Malloy dares to say French team dont take the competition seriously!!! Check the results man. You sound like the Irish team have been dominating the competition.

[@eoinmiller5620]

He's right though. At any time there's toulouse + 1 more French team that happens to be in ascendancy at that time (Clermont, Toulon, La Rochell). After that mid table teams clearly don't bother.

[@gerardfitzpatrick60]

30 minutes on muckers WTF 😢

[@drumkit96]

Did you type that with 1 hand while looking at a picture of Sam?

[@Sbu_Phakathwayo]

8:50 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the hypocrisy let me get me 🍿 🍿 🍿 😂

[@lizzyhanahoe4197]

Please explain what you mean, thanks.

[@Sbu_Phakathwayo]

​​@@lizzyhanahoe4197gladly, I don't know the name of the smaller lad but he sends it off by saying stade does not rotate players and made the exception of Porter for Ireland when in reality it's far more than Just Porter. Ireland botched the RWC last year because they relied too heavily on the trusted 15. it's too many players to count, the reason Ireland lost the quarters is because more than half the players ran out of legs. Just go watch the games prior the quarters

[@Sbu_Phakathwayo]

@@lizzyhanahoe4197 gladly, Ireland lost the rugby world cup 2023 because the players they fielded played every game since even before the rugby tournament started, why? because Andy does not trust 23 players he trust 15

[@Sbu_Phakathwayo]

@@lizzyhanahoe4197 looks like KZbin deleted my comment

[@Sbu_Phakathwayo]

@@lizzyhanahoe4197 I said Andy farrel lost the rugby world cup 2023 because of squad rotation, playing the same 15 to exhaustion did you see how tired they were quarters vs new zealand ?

[@nepiahemopo1702]

Did a car come with JBs contract?

[@antonphelan964]

Another Munster show

[@sh00termacg]

Joe trying to be morally outraged. Well Ulster did it Joe, you mug.

[@roberttwomey2011]

exactly

[@lawLess-fs1qx]

ask a zoomer who the Heavy weight Champion of the world is. They think you are from the moon. Rugby going the way of boxing where you need 5 subs to watch it is the death of Rugby in the long term.

[@dunlaoghaire]

The English and French destroyed this tournament

[@catchpass1488]

The English will join the URC at which point the Champions Cup in this format is over. It will become a one off Super Bowl esq final between the URC Champions and the Top 14 Champions.

[@DM-rp9ik]

Yeah, the English joining the URC feels inevitable over the next 5 to 10 years maybe sooner

[@drumkit96]

Nah... Too arrogant to join the best league - brexit anyone? Fcuk em anyway.

[@kevinfearon2458]

revenge of the nerds doing a rugby podcast 😂

[@mahasamatman12]

The clownish arrogance of those Irish self-appointed pundits never cease to amaze. 6 wins for Top14 sides vs 2 for Premiership sides, 3 away wins of which 2 by Top 14 sides. And yet the focus of your holier-than-though outrage is Castres ?

[@andrewmartinfarrell8167]

Does your country not produce podcasts?

[@mahasamatman12]

If you want to diss Castres for losing away at Vannes, maybe you could also add that Vannes just beat La Rochelle in La Rochelle ? And of course you would have to specify "O'Gara's La Rochelle" as you always do, because for you like for all those self-centered one-eye Irish pundits, anything in rugby that is not directly linked to Ireland does not have the slightest interest. And if you want to be outraged about understrength teams getting spanked in away fixtures, maybe could also analyse in some detail, and share your views on, the composition of the disgraceful Ulster rabble that was so comprehensively slaughtered in Toulouse ?

[@lharrington11]

Two very talented 10s, Crawley still best

[@criticaltheoryofsociety7476]

Is that some young lad the IRFU have created by combining the DNA of both Crowley and Frawley?

[@boatman6865]

Unfortunately, Sam is not fast or agile but he does have other skills

[@daithipol]

😂😂😂

[@DM-rp9ik]

😂😂😂

[@eirenuaireland]

Munster are finished and Leinster are trying to do a Man city by buying victory

[@andrewmartinfarrell8167]

Point me to a team that won a major competition without spending money

[@fergalbannon4614]

I presume the red wine was a local Cahors?

[@rosswatson4003]

Why would any team other than La Rochelle, Leinster, Toulouse and possibly Bordeaux give two hoots about this competition. It's one of the most anti competitive tournaments around.

[@DM-rp9ik]

The next logical question is, why are they in it then. Give up your place and stake to someone who adds value.

[@rosswatson4003]

What other team would add value when only 4 teams can win it? It’s a farce. European rugby is dying on its arse.

[@DM-rp9ik]

@rosswatson4003 I'd just cup them out and make it elite again 20 teams, not 24, and go back to 6 high-level pool games with a last 8. The last 16 is just utter bin juice, and I think i speak for everyone including fans of these teams but im so done with watching Sale or Castre seconds get crushed by 50 points every year

[@rosswatson4003]

@@DM-rp9ik or just make it an end of year tournament for the top two or three in each league. I don't see how having it as a y month long competition can be maintained

[@DM-rp9ik]

@rosswatson4003 No we just go back to what worked 10 to 15 years ago the rest will look after itself