Indepth 8.0.0 Dead by Daylight Developer Update Analysis

[@sean6015]

i just don't understand why they keep nerfing gen regression instead of looking at why those perks are so needed as a killer

[@chickxnzo]

fr?? not only you cant regress gens after 8 regression events, but now the actual ways you can regress the gens are going to be way less effective wtf

[@krimvanastrea]

because killers bring 4 slowdowns every match they play

[@Rxvenge05]

@@chickxnzofound the pain and pop meat riders.

[@Shuffles_Art]

@@krimvanastreaand why do killers feel the need to bring slowdown every match? Because games finish too quickly and killers barely get any chance to actually play the game. Like the original comment said, you have to actually look into the reasons why they’re doing this.

[@Brutes_]

​@@krimvanastrea problem is you are just gonna end up playing against even more blight, nurse, billys and have less variety in ur games because the fact is these nerfs hit the weakest killers the most

[@ArtualCM]

tbh making a "developer update analysis" like this is so nice as a player very easy to read and digest all the info

[@BouncingTribbles]

I'm really sick of this top down balancing philosophy. Not a single buff to a low use perk. Disgusting.

[@lemonosis]

Invocation weaving spiders, also they buffed toolboxes and multiple killers, also last chapter they buffed a bunch of perks. Pain res grim embrace and deadlock were all problems, they needed nerfs

[@Mr.JWaternoose]

​@@lemonosisthey qere killer nerfs, in what world is iri blight losing speed and turn rate a buff, or wesker losing hinder and infect off.hook rate a buff, only killer who was buffed is maybe leather face and chucky rework; needed, admit is not a buff.

[@aeisha1491]

@@lemonosis only killer buff was bubba those perks were used because gen rushing if they’re gonna nerf gen regression why buff invocation?! Like I guess

[@lemonosis]

@@Mr.JWaternoose bubba and slinger buff, wesker, blight and chucky nerf. If you genuinely think the wesker and chucky changes were unneeded youre insane

[@Mr.JWaternoose]

@@lemonosis oh no i know chucky was needed, i play wesker too i think the changes are fine since i do not tend to tunnel. I think pop was fine and i have no idea why they nerfed it, main thing i dislike about this change is the buff to sabo, it makes killers incentivized to run agitation or iron grasp as to not lose the hook stage.

[@yuppersmeer6080]

3:12 "add-ons are getting nerfed" No, the sabo add-ons are getting buffed. Which makes sense since they were almost always trivial

[@TheReZisTLust]

Gonna make slugging more popular.

[@JackTheKnife6]

dude makes video and can't even read properly.

[@armasapee]

​@@JackTheKnife6True

[@catofdeath8177]

@@TheReZisTLustDeerstalker meta again? :P

[@sf8262]

Double sabo addons guaranteed a sabo if you are healthy (taking two hits). Now you'll be able to take a hit and sabo without even getting downed. They will need to nerf Breakdown or else people will abuse sabo builds

[@TheGamingGalaxies]

Kinda feels like some of the best gen slowdown got nerfed making it generally harder for the average killer to keep up no? At least make other gen regression more viable :/

[@NoahFence736]

Agreed

[@norwese]

I feel like moving the meta away from huge chunks of gen regression is good. It may be harder for average killers, but hopefully over time all killers will adapt or just use other perk combos

[@cheeseballs4551]

​@@norwese I mostly agree but I fell like some poopoo killer perks should be buffed/reworked to compensate

[@makashika]

​@@norweseits good if they counterbalance survivor perks/items, but just nerfing the 2 best regressions that are honestly necessary in the current meta is not going to do anything good for making matches less frustrating for either side. The perks are meta for a reason. Its equivalent to them making exhaustions make you run at 125% speed after being triggered rather than 150 because exhaustions are too meta.

[@dylancole8768]

Ruin didnt get touched surge didnt get touched dms didnt get touched thos are 3 good slowdown perks that are all still strong just cause u cant brain dead use pop pain res doesnt mean u cant keep up

[@f1p1420]

Seeing all the useful gen oriented killer perks getting nerfed that are also almost essential if you want a fighting chance as a killer if you are not playing s tier killers and then also background player getting technically buffed because that 20 seconds is almost nothing and the 150% speed boost isnt gonna change outcomes that much, just hurts my soul

[@guilhermegigeck5946]

Yeah with 20 seconds the same player might even be able to do consecutive saves in a row. And having then switching places with their fellow survivors more often.

[@gibbybtw280]

you dont have to play s tier killers to win lol

[@f1p1420]

@@gibbybtw280 and I dont said that you can't win with lower tier killers but having worse and worse gen slow down each update will hurt their killrate significantly

[@sr-b]

​@@f1p1420 Exactly anything but s tier killers can't really keep up against good surv basically if you don't run regression build on any killer that below s tier against good surv you're throwing

[@PluggedHades62]

There’s another build, I won’t say though

[@averagealice7369]

with all thew regression perks being nerfed i think a toolbox nerf is in order d

[@TheGamingGalaxies]

As I said in another comment, it feels like regression was totally gutted for killers while making the invocation much fast which is such an ODD change considering gens fly really fast atm anyway? Just brings back 80 charge gens almost every game...

[@semplar2007]

​@@TheGamingGalaxies invocation: go to basement in 5-20 seconds, risk getting caught / interrupted in a very dangerous place, get broken for the rest of the match, all of this for equivalent gen time if you just sat and did gens. still a killer perk, what on earth are you complaining about 🙄

[@andrewbowser1506]

A survivor nerf from BHVR? You new here?

[@fredward_3713]

​@@TheGamingGalaxies ...But the perk still sucks? I guarantee you you won't see it after a few weeks, because being permanently broken is the problem about this perk

[@maximeanais4925]

yea toolbox feel terrible to play aginst with no gen regression

[@colossaldonut5190]

Time to play the guessing game of which of these changes don't make it through!

[@wetducktape1590]

blight

[@b_random5511]

Background Player is getting a buff. I just heard. They're keeping the 20 sec exhaustions but now the survivor will be 300% faster.

[@aflyingstarly5535]

Based

[@wetducktape1590]

@@b_random5511 is that cap or are you really telling the truth?

[@xd-om5do]

20s bgp isn't making it live.

[@Luv4Jo_Offical]

I think these changes are fine. It's the low tier killer themselves that need Changes For an example why does trapper need a add on to carry all his Traps. If they give him his Traps from the jump he would be a tad stronger.

[@wajskiii]

I like how they categorized the bubba buff as a minor rework even though its one of the biggest and most publicly favorited reworks they've done in a long while

[@Wes_Dev]

JRM will finally be able to play killer on borgo

[@Trident_Gaming03]

"All of these changes are really great, just as long as you also buff killer's basekit as well as the weaker perks tha-" "No lmao"

[@loctite417]

well at least they did for deathslinger and bubba. I think those killers can use a bit of help although some other killers DESPERATELY need a buff

[@trzten4248]

@@loctite417 yeah i mean at least 10 other killers couldve used the buffs rather than deathslinger, but bubba buff makes sense.

[@alexlord3271]

They’ve been gradually buffing killers base kits pretty consistently

[@kawlightDiva1212]

I’m so glad that weaving spiders got a buff! It took so long to finish it and by the time I was done gens were popped and teammates were hooked😭🤦🏼‍♀️

[@yuukonnu]

Lower tier killers becoming more and more unplayable with all the nerfs to the killer side

[@maximeanais4925]

really true, the anti stall mechanic, and anti camps make it really hard to lower tier killer to keep up in high-medium MMR (I think before playing a bad killer ill just low my MMR now)

[@Luv4Jo_Offical]

I think these changes are fine. It's the low tier killer themselves that need Changes For an example why does trapper need a add on to carry all his Traps. If they give him his Traps from the jump he would be a tad stronger.

[@yuukonnu]

​@@Luv4Jo_OfficalYes, the killers need changes, not the perks.

[@aflyingstarly5535]

It’s by design, gotta get those dlc micro transactions…

[@BeefyZawg]

The devs aren't connected to their fan base they don't know what they are doing

[@Ouch002]

Let’s nerf regression perks without providing any alternatives, bringing any other perks up, or making any changes that address why killers bring so many regression perks to begin with. What the actual fuck are the devs smoking. Maybe in a couple years the game will be playable for killer, until then I’ll just be playing swf or other games. It’s a damn shame

[@justwatch7091]

​@MrElfenliedliliumFor real. People are just delusional. Anything that's not a 4K is unplayable. The game is tailored in a way that favours them and they still cry.

[@DojoDyo]

Agree

[@DamienCloud]

The game is litteraly built around the survivor's fun because they are supposed to be 4 times more numerous than killer That's why I stopped playing long ago, to compete and not get bullied you have to bring whatever the best stuff is, but when you do everyone complains and you're just forced into 1 or 2 builds so it gets boring quickly. I personally take slowdowns to make the game an acceptable lenght, if you don't the game can litteraly end faster than the time it takes for a survivor to get from stage 1 to stage 2 on a hook, and that's neither balanced or fun

[@DojoDyo]

@@DamienCloud this is true

[@rari887]

@@justwatch7091the only people crying are survivors the second the killer plays a way they dont want yet they want all our needed perks to be nerfed so we’re forced to play that way. make up ur minds already. this game is no doubt about it survivor sided the way gens fly by fast 4 man swf etc we cannot have fun if u are this game isnt balanced.

[@Energestical]

As a killer and survivor main the gen meta nerf was needed but they didnt buff any other gen perks to help so thats slightly concerning

[@asce1777]

I think this game would be amazing if the developers actually played the game. You can't sit and tell me they do...they planned the twins update for 4months they didn't see a single problem for 4 months...

[@SupremeMaykr]

Bubba changes are cool, I will test them on the PTB

[@HeyElii03]

Finally my eyes won't be in pain from playing Borgo

[@Kaffeebohne122]

by nerfing slowdown, now the players that only ran 1 or 2 of those perks feel like they need to run 3 or 4 and the players that already ran 4 (which arguably were the problem) won't change their build anyways, then in a few months they're gonna release a new slowdown perk that's gonna be way too strong and the whole balancing thing starts from scratch again. killers are reliant on slowdown, that's just how the game is, I feel like we're at a point where they need to introduce some sort of basekit slowdown mechanic, then heavily nerf the existing slowdown perks and stop making new ones - would be way healthier than the constant back and forth between nerfing and buffing certain slowdowns, it's so boring.

[@LexysamaIllustrations]

Yeah they already have that it’s called kicking the gen.

[@Kaffeebohne122]

@@LexysamaIllustrations 5% regression for each time you go out of your way to kick a gen surely is gonna make up for all the slowdown perks, yes you got it, very good!!

[@LexysamaIllustrations]

@@Kaffeebohne122 Still regression. So the only acceptable regression for killers to be happy is 30% and above? Please. I barely play with gen regression perks and still get 4ks, and I have less than 1,000 hours in the game, and mostly play survivor. Like I literally didn't play killer for MONTHS, messed up hits, had to stop in the middle of the match to fix my controls because I forgot them, and still got a 4k. At this point it's a skill issue because playing killer is so easy nowadays it's crazy how killer mains can complain.

[@aeisha1491]

@@LexysamaIllustrations nobody cares how you play plus you’re in low mmr survivor main trying to give someone advice plz

[@GangsterGreg]

​​@@LexysamaIllustrationsNo offense, but a survivor main who admits to being a whiffing potato of a killer really should not be dishing out advice. Your MMR will be trash tier, your experience is frankly irrelevant.

[@jaydbd2457]

To any people thinking game is surv sided: flashlight clicking is a bigger problem than camping to devs

[@tzmokitj9993]

there is anti tunnel mechanic, clicking is just toxic but no worries my friend you have so many ways to bully a killer, the game is designed that way. now ftp + buckle up is gone but sabo is buffed, background player buffed again. For every killer action there is survivor logical counter reaction whether it be playstyle or perk. Game being survivor sided is not even a question, play both sided and find out.

[@lilyflower5895]

So... the killers can only kick 8 times at most, but the devs chose to nerf Pop? Wtf? How does that make sense? Hand holding much? AGAIN.

[@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647]

I mean are you Popping the exact same Gen 8 times? And if you got 8 Hooks to get 8 Pops...someone is probably already dead unless you are playing Omega "Fair" 8 Hooks to 12 Hooks games.

[@aeisha1491]

@@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647 smh oh god

[@lilyflower5895]

@@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647 You missed my point. Killers can only regress the gens limited times, so nerfing the regression perks makes no sense. On top of that, they buffed invocation. Wtf is happening? No logical thinking whatsoever on devs' part. They continue to be as incompetent as their reputation suggests.

[@lemonosis]

If youre popping a gen 8 times, youve got everyone in the lobby second hook, or even a couple deaths, youve focused every pop into one gen, and youve wiped a total of 240% from that gen. Massive you problem icel

[@lilyflower5895]

@@lemonosis Read my comment from earlier, not gonna repeat for you. Also, wtf is icel?

[@The_Pyromaani]

I dunno why but i somewhat feel like these regress nerfs means the new chapter is gonna give us some new regression perk. To sell us new stuff in perk deparment

[@aflyingstarly5535]

I was thinking the same, make a problem and se the solution.

[@PickleHeroYT]

The chucky changes look amazing at first glance, having more opportunities to use the power to mind game as opposed to just "Wait for survivor to drop pallet then scamper"

[@chenzuk5704]

It means that chucky now doesnt have scamper at all, using scamper in slice and dice is practically useless when you're chasing someone who isnt running in straight line as you cant flick or turn around the loop lmao

[@maximeanais4925]

@@chenzuk5704 lol who cares about scamper now, just an unfun mechanic

[@hemiboy9860]

@@maximeanais4925Fr as soon as i saw him crawl the pallet its game over

[@lemonosis]

@@chenzuk5704id rather have chucky be low tier than have him have scamper, no one should be able to completely ignore a pallet with no consequence and no requirements

[@DDPX8]

Now it's gonna be "wait for power and stand still at the loop till survivor moves"

[@Thaznar]

We might as well remove regression at this point. These devs are clueless. Good luck playing M1 trash killers against survivors who are at least competent to hold M1 on gens.

[@lemonosis]

Grim embrace was arguably the most powerful perk in the game, same with pain res, i can agree they were too harsh on pop but the other three were all s tier and needed a change

[@DojoDyo]

Agree

[@Thaznar]

@@anagodinho3993 You cannot 3 gen anymore. There isca mechanic that prevents that.

[@austinhancock5814]

​@Thaznar not really true. I'm a trapper main who runs overcharge and I consistently win alot of matches through my 3 gens. But then again it is trapper

[@Thaznar]

@@austinhancock5814 I am Myers main so good luck with that. Also you are winning because people are bored. Trapper is trash tier as well and trust me you will not win vs survivors who want to win even with the 3 gen. I can put my nearly 8k h of experience on the line here. It is simply not happening.

[@pablopenguin24]

The pauses between each point made are perfect 👌🏽

[@covocava]

I wouldn't call nerfing the main gen regression perks as a "meta shakeup". I'd only call it that if they buffed or adjusted something to counter the nonstop nerfs. It's just a meta nerd for killers

[@covocava]

Especially compared to the survivor buffs implemented this patch as well

[@bayspizza]

Never had an issue with borgo, never couldn't see a scratchmark or bloodtrail. I always enjoyed the different lighting in comparison to literally every other map that's basically using the same filter

[@LargeToastie]

As an equal killer/survivor player these changes are pretty awesome. Always loved Bubba, I like Chucky's power being shifted in his kit and seeing some of the "insta lock" killer perks being toned down is good imo. On the survivor side its just good to see FTP/Buckle up being gone finally.

[@blahblah1268]

i hate the buckle up change, i know it was strong against killers but with all the killer buffs, and the fact that you must be near a survivor and make it in time before getting hit to get the save can be hard and already takes up two perk slots. Not just that but this is a nerf for FTP as it no longer is a viable perk to run when you lose a health state as you just make it easier for the killer to come for you

[@aeisha1491]

They nerf the killer regression perks so why is that combo being nerfed a problem?

[@lemonosis]

Tf you mean “killer buffs”. Have you looked at these notes, this update was survivor leaning

[@sf8262]

@aeisha1491 The problem has never been the perks, its that the killer's are too varied in strength. Against a good nurse FTP + Buckle up is very fair and makes getting 3-4 out possible. Against a clown? You can guarantee 4 out and he can't do anything about it. Pain res + pop on legion is just enough to keep up. On blight? You scream from pain res, then he shows up 5 seconds later and downs you, uses his pop on your gen, then hooks you for another set of pain + pop.

[@michaelurmo7984]

I like the killer changes, and I can't wait for Decimated Borgo changes, but nerfing gen regression perks overall doesn't seem that great. If they are going to, can we get some love for other regression perks like Jolt and Eruption at least?

[@pintarolalol]

overall I know this is a good direction of a patch, however, as a Sadako player I must say that having half of the slow down perks value is gonna hurt a lot..

[@AmyLovesYou]

I'd rather use chase perks on Sadako. PWYF/Game Afoot is fantastic for tunneling your obsessions out with condemnation, but also Bamboozle to help with shack plays (her antiloop is shit), Rapid Brutality/Bloody Fingernails combo etc... great choices to keep the pressure going.

[@tzmokitj9993]

@@AmyLovesYou and gens fly in meantime. she's nice with mix build like corrupt,deadlock(or deadmans,grim) and pwyf, game afoot. You want your first hook to do as much damage as possible, leave one tv to teleport when they are about to unhook, keep 2-3 players off gens whilst also applying condemn pressure. otherwise Sadako is easily countered and a joke of a killer, luckily if there is weak link that isnt aware of TV you can condemn him fast and snowball.

[@sketcharama93]

Pain nerfed and pop? It’s not a shift in the meta it’s a clear problem that the developers can’t see the gens go to quick

[@Mr.JWaternoose]

Personal thoughts on each change Perks 1. Buckle up rework makes it work better as a genral perk instead of requiring the killer to slug and canp to use ftp, you can now just use it to help your tem mate get away. 2. I:WS is a great change and this is coming from a player who mainly plays killer, i thought this perk needed a buff since launch this a step in the right direction. 3. Deadlocked change is not the worst imo i know a lot of killers are a but upset over some of the gen slowdown perks being nerfed but this change is not bad 4. Grim embrace is a good change too 2 seconds off is pretty minor but may affect some aspects of a match however i do not see any heavy repurcussions from 2 seconds. 4. Pop goes, they gutted it and i have no idea why, this is like a 12 second difference from the old pop, and i see plenty of survivors who are confused by it too. 5. SH:PR is a decent change but this one i dont get either, it is like pop but only can be used 4 times. Killers Chucky rework is great, buffing scamper speed and making hidey-ho recharge faster is great and the trade off makes chucky slightly worse but more fun. Wesker, i main wesker but these changes i do not dislike them but i am not happy abut them, the hook change is good, but the hinder is odd because i never really get use out of hinder until late or end game.

[@Mr.JWaternoose]

Oops forgot to finish, either way Blight, speed and turn did need a nerf on iri but turn could have been 20 and i would have been chill too. Slinger, this makes slinger a bit more usuable. But since slinger has no real map pressure without perks he will still be simaler to clown with him being mainly a chase killer. Bubba, i like the changes. I feel like this will bring more player to bubba instead of running more powerful killer. Lastly tool box changes. Idk why they did this, changes sabo speed to be higher but nerfing the add-ons seems both unecessary and a bit strong. This is mainly due to sabo squads being able to be more annoying then they already are.

[@Mr.JWaternoose]

Also map changes are a good, but i will miss the cool red athstetic.

[@sf8262]

@@Mr.JWaternoose they buffed the sabo addons and toolbox basekit. hens misspoke

[@Mr.JWaternoose]

@sf8262 oh so it is a full buff and not a rework. That makes me a bit worried about sabo squads regaining pooularity

[@Trident_Gaming03]

I feel like BHVR's on the right track, there are two steps they need to do: 1) Nerf perks and addons on both sides 2) Buff basekit on both sides They've got the first step down, now they just need to learn there's a second step lmao

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

They dont know what you are speaking about. They are just doing. Example about killers items proved it. They nerfed it, but after time didnt bring anything for exchange.

[@maximeanais4925]

yea really true, some killer are too dependant of one add-ons (singularity with soma photo)

[@lemonosis]

They buffed basekit slinger and bubba this update, buffed toolboxes also

[@kazoie1]

I'll admit im not very pleased with some of these changes are fine. Killer changes are mostly good but the regression and sabo changes have me worried considering theyve already limited how many times you can damage a gen and how decent Sabo is already

[@lemonosis]

All the gen nerfs were completely deserved apart from pop, keep in mind pain res, grim embrace, and deadlock were all s tier

[@magickmeat8763]

@@lemonosis Because there's literally nothing else to use, and the devs have designed the game in a way that if you don't use slowdown at all you just lose. They're good because they refuse to provide alternatives.

[@guilhermegigeck5946]

Pop and Pain Res will probably be paired together more than ever now. i'd prefered if they did some diminishing returns or made them mutually exclusive, like a stronger pain res but you can't kick gens

[@Malicerzin]

Alright guys, time to Go back to skull Merchant.

[@chickxnzo]

fr

[@giovanni2910]

Ew

[@DBD_DouZi]

alremean a SM main if u dont mind survivors feeling dont Too dependent on Hook u know what i mean😂😂

[@SosukeAizen7594.]

Ee

[@BillVar85]

Real

[@christian_lied]

I wonder how it’ll go down when it goes live. I’m very appreciative of a vid explaining the changes, thanks

[@Nico-zt5jl]

Chucky is definitely going to feel worse with the scamper changes. Rip.

[@GrizzyBizzy]

He's gonna feel ass a fun killer now clunky

[@harrylarry6324]

Bro, why change his power, he was perfectly fine the way he was. Why do devs just ruin any killer that’s fun to play as and isn’t op…

[@elderpotato2066]

He's definitely going to be weaker, but way more fun and skillful for both sides. Scamper was unhealthy and was a guaranteed hit at most pallets.

[@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647]

As someone who hardly ran slowdown as is, I see no problem. I get way more value by throwing Survivors off with my builds and punishing them when they overextend. Rather than just forcing Survivors to do 8 Generators worth of repairs. Obviously, Slowdowns are there to help and are fine to use. But I'm calling Skill Issue if the ONLY way you can win is by having 3 or 4 Slowdowns on at all times.

[@UghitsKevin]

Truth. Good killer mains hardly need the Slowdown. The scariest killer players are the ones bringing 4 chase perks into the game and who actively try to hunt you down instead of extending the game with slowdown.

[@Thaznar]

@@UghitsKevin You are so deluded. Even ScottJund said slowdown perks are needed. Play as Freddy or 80% of M1 trash vs survivors with half a brain and you will get 3 hooks maybe with all gens done.

[@lichazeakel1126]

Obviously a lot of the comments are about the gen perks, however saboing is being overlooked. There are already builds you bring that if you are willing to take a hit from the killer, you can still complete the sabo before the killer recovers from hitting you. There is basically going to be no risk for going for sabo, for something that should be high risk -high reward. considering how much killer time you waste by doing so. Edit - Also, the sabo buffs also indirectly nerfs pop and pain res since, you know, they rely on hooks.

[@chief-rocker80]

I hope they start changing all of the maps back to the dark night setting. Fits the game so much better!

[@Mister_Doodles]

Honestly glad to see a killer perk shake up, I wonder what sort of builds will become commonplace. Maybe ruin makes a comeback?

[@guilhermegigeck5946]

If they want to push away the gen regression meta they gotta give more power to the killer during endgame. For that to happen NOED, NWO, Adrenaline and Hope can't stay as they are, the first two are a gamble for endgame and the last two ensure a survivor win if they achieve it against the average killer character. The entire meta is built around denying endgame, denying Adren and Hope.

[@KnightEnjoyer69]

No map of the realm basekit? My boy knight could use some quality of life changes, using call to arms and map every game is getting stale :c

[@aflyingstarly5535]

Knight is just like twins in the sense they bhvr don’t give a fk.

[@KnightEnjoyer69]

@@aflyingstarly5535 Hopefuly they are motoring him, but i no longer mind the bugs, such as getting stunned on power or power getting disabled by nearby objects i already got used to it. I really just want to be able to run the quirky add-ons, without giving up consistent guard hunts.

[@BeefyZawg]

Knight is gross and if u play him ur gross

[@BeefyZawg]

Knight is gross and if u play him ur gross

[@KnightEnjoyer69]

@@BeefyZawg Thanks for the insight; i'll take it into consideration.

[@peeperinos]

20 second cd on background player? They really are smoking something. Get a teammate with vigil and you are set to keep pallet saving...

[@navarrodelay6750]

Are they trying to make every killer main quit?

[@-pinwino3733]

fucking hell this is what happens when they dont play their own game

[@lemonosis]

They nerf grim embrace? This is unironically a really solid update

[@harrylarry6324]

@@lemonosis Survivor main spotted

[@Justandomname]

​@@lemonosissolid pfp for u, keep barking and u will play against AI bot killers only cuz theese updates are trash

[@sf8262]

@@harrylarry6324 overall this is a much better direction. survivor nerfs will follow shortly, as they always do.

[@Jo9j]

Well we have made for this instead of buckle up it’ll be a crazy build with (for the people) (made for this) and (buckle up)

[@Lacter12]

can't wait for the vault gap to come back somehow after this update

[@LinkinParkConnoisseur]

deadlock nerf seems a bit too much when they are already nerfing so many other gen regression perks :/, if they do slight basekit gen changes then all the changes are perfectly fine cause they wanna do a meta shake up which I get

[@loctite417]

yeah deadlock isnt that great either imo. it only gives false sense of security to the killer surivors can rotate to another gen so they would finish at the same time later

[@lemonosis]

Deadlock was s tier

[@nightman922]

@@loctite417 Right, if deadlock blocked the gen and then aftewards did normal regression, then it would be better instead of preserving the progress for later

[@Frozenkura1]

My thoughts as a 50/50 surv/killer Do they not realize that nerfing nearly every gen regression perk hurts the people who run less of them more? If you run 4 and they all get nerfed they’re each less effective but you’re fine because you still have 4 slow downs, if you run 1 and you barely had enough slowdown to win fairly, now you either have to play dirty (tunnel/slug/proxi/etc.) or you have to use more regression, add that to you getting less hooks (more saboing), a potentially very powerful perk in invocation (2 people is 30 seconds if I’m not mistaken now, even just one will probably pop before a gen will which means max value) buffing surv gen speeds (while we’re in a gen rush meta already) no toolbox nerf (sabo buff across the board means you have to bring less to sabo, which ironically buffs gen speeds) and then you have background which isn’t as insane 1 time anymore but is now there literally every down, and still isn’t really counterable unless you’re a top tier killer already, so killers got nerfed across the board (chucky and wesker are good changes, would have preferred wesker didn’t slow at all with full infection or removed it completely on hook but this is a good step) except for slinger which is fineish changes if he was doing poorly (seems like his hit into reload and second hit might be too strong now against normal people), decisive stun change is nice but the actual problem with Ds is that it’s anti tunnel that is exclusively used aggressively (follow the killer when they try to play fair to force value out of it) to force a tunnel and eating 2-4 every game (or slugging multiple times just in case) isn’t fun period no matter the stun timing. Invocation buff was needed (would have preferred they made the broken only until next hook imo, the time was long but had uses because it was gen progress without being at the gen) but with nearly every killer regression nerf given this seems like a bad time. Thank god for borgo, I hate that map on both sides. Some people are tinfoil hatting that they have a new regression perk coming or a global gen change next chapter if so all the changes make sense otherwise I feel like surv win rates are going to jump up noticeably and killers are going to skew more towards the strong ones or kill rates are going to drop noticeably. Controversially I’m actually pretty unhappy with the buckle up change it’s still fineish but now ftp which was a really cool idea seems mostly meh because I’m not running buckle up to give a random a perk while I go down 50% of the time When the killer realizes I have ftp and they insta tunnel me. (Also people pointing out ftp/mft/buckle, that’s a horrible 3 perk combo and a waste of way too many perk slots for a combo unless you’re part of a literal comp team). Edit: I forgot to say above I would have preferred that buckle up+ ftp stayed as a combo or was endurance for you, speed for the person picked up + background player which was extremely op in the right hands (and maybe controversial opinion) will still be op now that it’s still sprint burst but with only 20 second exhaustion was nerfed harder, I understand that they’re both very strong I just think buckle +ftp is more fun to use and play against personally

[@AmyLovesYou]

I'd like for them to dull/change the colors of Eerie and the Corn maps. The bright yellow even makes it difficult to see red for colorblind players.

[@wetducktape1590]

Hottake: Bring back j-flicks on blight

[@Rxvenge05]

Hot take: uninstall and play a different game if you don’t know how to balance anything cringe fuck.

[@lemonosis]

@@Rxvenge05grow a pair, its a video game

[@wetducktape1590]

@@Rxvenge05 XDDD it was a joke buddy, don't take everything so seriously

[@roasty-]

​​@@Rxvenge05In the future, you might find it more constructive to support your claims with reasoning - bonus points if you can provide an example. You may also want to consider whether or not 'cringe fuck' is a nuanced or appropriate thing to say. Personally I think calling someone cringe as an insult is embarassing. Food for thought, mate. Everyone gets heated sometimes. Learn from it🙏

[@minatonamikaze6400]

Isn't that wesker nerf too big ? Like can't they do something else to compensate the big nerf ?

[@gibbybtw280]

i dont think any actually good wesker would care tbh

[@Justandomname]

​@@gibbybtw280not the survivor mains yapping about that

[@nightman922]

Oh no, now wesker can't tunnel someone as immediate What is he supposed to do now?!?

[@Justandomname]

@@nightman922 🤡🤓

[@nightman922]

@@Justandomname lmaooo

[@paulgal]

I would really see them mess about with perks that don’t get used much. There’s so many perks and what 10% get played by most players .

[@TheJayzon94]

i like the dev notes in general

[@bubblewrap8823]

While invocation is technically time efficient, it’ll only end up truly mattering for the 5 gens that complete, not all 7, so effectively it’s 10% of 5 gens, not 7. Still slightly inefficient, no? 9 seconds times 5, even without the broken status? I believe the BNP effect does affect percentage based regression though, so there’s that- But being perma broken also makes it easier to get things like pain res or pop.

[@Hilltycoon]

3:10 Add-ons are getting BUFFED, Hens. This is huge! No downside just a huge buff to toolboxes.

[@Paramore_your_Decode]

Professor Hens??!

[@terminatora1249]

I really like the change to pain res but since they made pop to do 20% as well they might actually increase the use rate of pain res. I think 25% as you said would be perfect. Also the sabotage buff seems a bit weird, I feel like every 5th game or so I get survivors using toolboxes to sabotage hooks so it already seems like a popular use. I wonder if they think that people using toolboxes to sabotage hooks would nerf gen rushing hence the nerfs to anti gen perks.

[@somekinnn]

"Other changes are miniscule." *Reload movement speed being increased by 11%* That will really add up in the QOL and chase department in the long run IMO.

[@aroace7913]

You talk about meta shake up but the issue and why people brought all these slowdowns is because gens just pop one after another so fast if you don´t you just lose, so it´s less of a choice than being necessity.

[@ghitaianis9022]

Bruh i am so confused about how behaviour choses what to change one one hand they changed chucky to add more counter play on the survivor side which is great i didn't see many people asking for this but it was the right choice then buffed the power cooldown ig that's fine i didn't really feel like i needed it more often but maybe less experienced players might need it now since you can only fast vault during your special attack. They hopeful fixed FTP+buckel up problem which was so annoying and complained about for a long and did it without making the combo necessary useless it is still decent just not uncountable which is good. They updated bubba sure ig this killer just doesn't seem that interesting in my opinion but they are doing something at least. The DS nerf ok? I swear they love playing with numbers for DS they should just choose one option and leave it at that. Now not sure how much the devs are thinking about the gameplay when looking at the stats but they definitely don't understand it if you don't want a gen perk meta don't make the game need one? Like their reasoning was ohh theae perks perfom better then most other situational pearks that seems strange????

[@Pikwii]

Hot Take: Buckle Up change might be a buff….maybe, or I just have skill issue

[@ritvars7357]

I'm sorry I think you have a skill issue

[@gamall_22]

Ye I can confirm, you have a massive skill issue

[@Brutes_]

its not a buff only the guy picked up off the ground gets the speed boost

[@semplar2007]

am i wrong, or we can still get what buckle up did, with mft + wglf?

[@DDAlexelA]

Pair FTP with WGLF for a similar effect to what Buckle Up currently has. The only downsides are it needs to be activated through a save or unhook, and it only gives endurance to the person being healed. Now, if someone is being tunneled, you have the option of instant healing them out of the dying state, giving them endurance with WGLF, and now a free sprint burst to make distance. Pair those with Dead Hard or Unbreakable to take the hit, and you have a very similar deal to what we currently. Except now, the downed survivor gets free distance without having to take the endurance hit. I'm looking forward to messing with it.

[@en5200]

This isn't a meta shakeup, it's just making Killers feel worse. It would have been better to buff uncommon regression perks if they wanted players to use other perks.

[@voidwalker4888]

As a player who plays both sides casually i think all of these were good except 2 changes: 1. Pop already has a downside which is stoping to kick a gen and you need a hook so i dont think it needs a nerf. Also the 3 gen cant be done with it too because of the new gen kick mechanic so i dont really understand why they did this. 2. Wesker did needed the nerf of the hindered but the infection after unhook to 1 is just too much. At least if they wanted to this put some rework on add ons. Half of them requier to get max infection. Or if thats too much work then just make it so that unhooker also gets infected. That way wesker is better. All and all tho pretty good changes. (I dont know much about sabo cause never saw it strong in both sides. At least my games.)

[@nightman922]

Problem with unhooker getting infected is that there aren't enough sprays. It's not like plague where you can infinitely cleanse

[@scorpios8232]

Don't get me wrong, 120 seconds to complete an invocation is way too long, but 60 is way too short, especially when we take into account the effect that this perk has on the match. You get to remove 10 charges from every incomplete generator on the map, basically for free (if we ignore the fact that you become Broken for the rest of the match). That's an insanely strong effect, and it should take some time in order to complete.

[@lemonosis]

Still takes a whole minute, it causes you to become broken after you use it, and you are in the most vulnerable position possible whilst using it. If it becomes that much of an issue killers will look for a circle at the start of the game, and if there is one, its becomes a little second objective to monitor, its not that powerful

[@scorpios8232]

@@lemonosis You're definitely a survivor main.

[@lemonosis]

@@scorpios8232 i play more killer than surv, weaving spiders is a dreadful perk, its a bit better now, but still at very best its B tier. Yeah its free brand new part, but its at the cost of time wasted in a dangerous area, and being broken for the rest of the game. You could have a while team bring brand new parts and it would have a similar effect just without all the disadvantages

[@mintman1271]

As a 0 gen stall killer I see this as a win

[@yeetus42]

I think instead of decisive getting a nerf, head-on needs a nerf. That way the only ones punished are those using the lame double stun.

[@aeisha1491]

Head on is not op for a nerf it’s mainly a meme perk for swfs it’s annoying but you can wait it out or bait it out

[@blmao5150]

hell yeah another gen regression perk nerf. Now survivors will definitely feel confident to popping a gen right in my face after I drag my ass across the entire map

[@jonathanmarques9774]

I miss the days where the perks used to be actually good

[@AmyLovesYou]

I miss DBD a lot when Medkits were strong, CoH allowed self healing, and killer perks like Eruption, CoB and Overcharge were goated. The game was mad fun when everyone was strong. It feels so dull bringing everything down rather than lifting it all up. The devs really should try changing direction from nerfing everything good to buffing everything weak. Will be a fantastic new era.

[@JigsawBG-zj9nq]

@@AmyLovesYou i agree with you-i preffer everything broken instead of everything nerfed

[@ale3ser209]

Bro sounds like he doesn't want step on BHVR's toes like he a fog whisperer or something.

[@begone1934]

A grand total of potentially 80% regress is not worth the risk of all three hooks spawning in the corner of the top floor of the map, and the fourth spawning on the gen that gets knocked out in the first minute of the game.

[@NightmareShopStudios]

Bubba main here, I was already doing fine without the chilis or scratches, now I'm gonna do it better

[@jeyjeysin]

well those are some nasty nerfs to the gen regresion perks, they were not needed at all

[@Luv4Jo_Offical]

Huhhh. I think so.

[@Rxvenge05]

Cope

[@giovanni2910]

Every killer ran it even with survivors without toolboxes. Just get good.

[@SosukeAizen7594.]

I love it

[@DEGENERATE_MELON]

When every match the killer brought the same perks as the last then yeah it's needed. The only guessing required on what perks a killer was bringing was the order they picked them in.

[@mikeimartins6907]

Coming here before i watch the video to say that if Background Player/Decisive Strike/Regression Perk's nerf is still a thing im gonna be dropping until the anniversary or the next update. Had to get my cellphone to edit this, i accidentally putted a hole in my computer.

[@FusselTeddy0707]

Any ranged Killers will laugh about the Buckle Up change... Imo they should have given For the People an effect that prevents gaining Endurance for 3 - 5 seconds for both survivors. It'd still be a clutch perk in some situations, but not as useless like it'll be if this goes live.

[@ApaApson]

who remembers background player in release (no, not the unhook and yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet away version) the 150% at 3s even back then this perk was legit easy mode for any type save and now slap vigil on and u can do it every 14s? you dont even need to be good to loop a killer for that long? also this is tweaker shit but if u use "CoL, Fixated, BGP, BTL" lets u recover while sprinting basically so even if they run in a straight line u can recover and keep up AND THEN SAVE?

[@Ryuk-i1o]

Finally wesker is getting his tunneling nerfed. 8% was unplayable. They need to bring pop back to 25% otherwise this update is too survivor sided. They need to nerf trickster main event too.

[@yuppersmeer6080]

Easily one of the best changes in this patch

[@BouncingTribbles]

Sabo squads are already frustrating to go against and they're buffing them? I feel like this is mostly going to hurt lower ranked killers too.

[@jacobgeorge-xm9bq]

Or slow killers that can't do anything about it like nurse huntress hag that have stupid slowness while carrying as a nurse main I think I now will need to imploy the slug everyone and go make some coffee till match ends technique

[@giovanni2910]

You killers always got sum'n to complain about, sabo squads are most uncommon compared to other builds. Saboing in general takes skill and timing to pull off anyways.

[@jacobgeorge-xm9bq]

@giovanni2910 wait at hook break hook killer to slow to get to another hook wiggle off

[@jacobgeorge-xm9bq]

@giovanni2910 play nurse and have all the hooks near you saboed

[@yannick4066]

@@giovanni2910 arent survivors also crying 24/7. both sides are crying are crying all the time xd

[@banan6216]

6:00 Just run "made for this" with the original combo and it will have the same effect. Still a nerf since you have to commit 3 perks to make the combo work, but it'll still be good.

[@lemonosis]

How? You need to be in deep wound for mft

[@nightman922]

@@lemonosis He's talking about the endurance effect that MFT has

[@yeehaw779]

Hello henz, this is friends

[@MYSTERIOUSPLAGUEDOCTOR]

The decimated borgo is gonna be so fun for ghostface jumpscares 😈😈

[@shaderumble3013]

Idk how i feel about these changes. Wesker is one of my favorite killers in the game and i think that the 8% hindered was a good counter weight for the 40 METER TERROR RADIUS (Should be 32 imo) but yeah idk. Pop shouldve went tlo 25 and not 20, and honesty im fine with the pain res nerf which isnt even that bad) I do like the other killer changes though, those are good.

[@Daventry85]

Can't wait for the next patch where all survivors get to hold the killers hand all the way out the exit gate and grab their cute participation trophies

[@GCoimbra40]

About bubba being speed up. Why the hell a fat guy running with a chainsaw is faster than a teenager running with a small knife?

[@princeshallow6486]

So If someone use Weaving Spiders, Then I use Pop, only 10% Would be removed from one gen. out of all the other gens that have 15% on them were if I to kick one normally It would go down to 10% .

[@Commander_Ray]

just remove the slowdown from Wesker and buff other aspects of his kit such as the speed of his bound or his vaulting should block the vault he goes after for X seconds, or hell just make him allowed to bound after a Vault

[@zildgaming]

I'm fine with nerfing gen regress perks if they fix gen rushing tho

[@holdthisforme8235]

They should have made bubbas best addons base kit in full not partially and then reworked his addons generally to acc useful things.

[@Name-ql7jf]

Will someone please acknowledge that the reason they do this is to sell you the next meta? Buffing perks that people have doesn’t make money

[@Existence-14]

Ftp,buckle up,were gonna live forever is gonna be op.The only downside is that you HAVE to run all 3 together

[@mitchgalbreth5531]

Rare BHVR win, this patch looks pretty damn great.

[@user-xf8xk6hw9m]

if you're a survivor main,,

[@lemonosis]

@@user-xf8xk6hw9mwah wah, they nerfed a couple s tier perks. Look at the positives, the slinger and bubba buffs are really good, theve removed buckle up ftp, theyve nerfed background player. Theres like 2 bad changes here and even still they arent that bad

[@BannedGaming-jc4ic]

@@lemonosisthey didn’t nerf background player what are you talking about.

[@Hxpnoticghost]

@@BannedGaming-jc4icthey did actually, ignorance is bliss with those who are biased.

[@BannedGaming-jc4ic]

@@Hxpnoticghost So you move slower but can use other exhaustion perks twice as fast, kinda seems like a buff or at least a rework, def not a nerf tho

[@Daventry85]

"The conditions to activate pop aren't very difficult" - BHVR Meanwhile 4 Downs later , flashy saves, pallet saves , sabo squads, body blocks, flashbangs, background players and still 0 hooks. They have no clue.

[@harrylarry6324]

They don’t play their own game, which should be a standard requirement before changing balance within the game. They’re just milking the game for money at this point, and fucking with the gameplay mechanics on a whim and a dice roll to pretend they are still trying to improve gameplay.

[@cmnch]

I loved being able to just run pop or surge as my only regression and be fine for the vast majority of my games. Sadly we had a bunch of losers running 3/4 regression which are the players that bhvr is forced to balance those perks around. Sucks that they had to ruin things for everyone else.

[@Shio2357]

You mean Surge

[@cmnch]

@@Shio2357 true I forgot about that

[@gibbybtw280]

fr the most amount of slowdowns ive ever needed was two

[@Musuri2000]

Yeah thats true af For damn real if you need to take 4 slow down perks every damn single match you are a noob and thats all. cuz of all people like this killer that isnt actually braindamaged and can play chill and win with 2 slowdowns gona be so hard punished i play 60% killers and 40% surv when i play this 40% surv and i see 7 out of 10 matches are killers that using 4/3slowndowns i feel so damn cringe, and I knew dews gona definately nerf almost all slowndows cuz of clowns like this and there we go massive nerf for killers cuz of losers like this as a slightly killer main i think dews did what they were supposed to do and I don't blame them. I blame those who have to take 4 slowdowns in each round🤡

[@sketcharama93]

Unless your solo and they don’t get done at all

[@asrieldreemurr1918]

We’re getting a dark map praise

[@NobleKanna]

Survivor winrates about to drop about around 3.7% more now.. Yikes.. And then people complain when killers get nerfed 😆 90% of my games are losses and that's with me being the last survivor almost 87% of those games. 4:17 That's a very unreasonable change I prefer the 200% speed as it's already basically impossible to get saves unless you're an idiot killer and don't check your surroundings or anything. 5:07 Very ineffective you mean? One time use per game, you miss you lose the value. The killer can just tunnel you down and you're out less than 20 seconds after you use your DS.