India Debates: Secularism Is Essential To Democracy

[@NishaKumari-kf8xi]

Education & Health = Democracy

[@DevendraSingh-oi9ly]

education, health with secular Idea is essential for democracy.

[@ajaysinghnegi2617]

Democracy is majority wins

[@gravitationalphysics3792]

@Gargee Basakno Democracy is not about majority, that's why India is not a mature democracy like UK, US and Switzerland.

[@gravitationalphysics3792]

@Gargee Basak democracy is not majoritarianism....dig a little bit more on this topic.

[@dy4858]

NDTV always brought the debate of secularism and. then cry about development.

[@swarnimagarwal]

You did not report the death of Kamlesh Tiwari, IB officer Ankit, Rohit from Bihar etc

[@Bhruguraj]

Also prashanth Poojary

[@akshat8158]

This is the real content and essence of journalism. A civilised debate with anchor just as moderator not a loudspeaker but our uneducated audience want only entertainment in news channel also.

[@Themotorcyclerider]

sir but the sad thing its only 5 thousand people watch this video till 2.45 am. where other news channel views are high bcz they only air ssr death news.

[@Themotorcyclerider]

@Victor Smith thats why i m saying dont watch godi media

[@Themotorcyclerider]

@Victor Smith yes asking tough question to pm like aap apnay purse main kya rakhtay hain ? aap main itni energy kahaan say aati hai . its a good journalism. the problem is that if someone ask tough question to bjp they are become anti national. yeh to batao 6 saal say sarkaar bjp ki hai aur godi media ab bhi economy k sawaal congress say puchta hai ?

[@Themotorcyclerider]

@Victor Smith i dont say any thing on religion. but i m secular who respect every religion. i m only saying why still godi media hard on opposition and soft on bjp. but u dont answer for that. arnab say bolna agli baar desh ki economy k uppar bhi kucch pucch lay. thank god main aapki tarha andhbhakt nahi hoon jo sarkaar say sawaal puchnay main ghabraata ho .

[@drrakeshparashar81]

@@Themotorcyclerider good advise all are fool except you.

[@drrakeshparashar81]

Indian citizen are waiting for Uniform civil code so a every citizen can perform his duties when enjoying right enshrined in our constitution . All live in just ,equal and tolrent ( as has been for thousends of years ) socity.

[@snowmoon7385]

No need of secularism..just bring out equality justice and mercy in your lives...take out negative competition n greed...your society ll be a reformed one.

[@kavitamehraulia780]

That's what secularism is all about

[@snowmoon7385]

@@kavitamehraulia780 West took parts of commandants n removed part of religious activities out of it...called it secularism....when it got a bit successfull...they completly removed religion from ppl s lives n athiesm waz imposed on ppl...then we saw how a godless society brought misery to the world by world wars...Religion is part of a society...but best way to deal diversity is to allow ppl with religious beliefs in their ways but with limitations enough not to harm another religious community.

[@snowmoon7385]

@Zorba Perhaps you are not at peace woth islam..Review opinions.

[@StudentOf10]

I've thought that secularism is too loaded a word. The better thing to aspire for, is equality for all humans without discriminating on the basis of race, creed, religion, etc..

[@dattaramkalangutkar923]

@@kavitamehraulia780 Hi madem ji secularism and socialism is not the part of constitution it was added in Emergency time Srimati Indira Gandhi had added in cons by force.

[@rohitranjanthakur3094]

There was secularism in kashmir also and every one know what happened to Kashmiri pandits in disguise of secularism

[@disliketheclickbaits8858]

There's no secularism in Kashmir n that's what happened, happened.

[@rohitranjanthakur3094]

@KERALA TIGER and then i will say what happened to hindus in pakistan and bangladesh due to lack of secularism

[@rohitranjanthakur3094]

@KERALA TIGER first read article 30 of our great constitution then judje who is discriminated in this country

[@rohitranjanthakur3094]

@KERALA TIGER but not for general hindus ,hindus cannot establish their gurukul muslms have more frredom in india than islamic countries and hindus have to carry the whole burden of secularism

[@rohitranjanthakur3094]

@KERALA TIGER the art of living school is not opened by a temple trust ,article 30 specifically bars that a temple trust cannot open and run a school or else all temples would have gurukuls

[@drrmdebnath8356]

Fight Also caste discrimination and discuss poverty, deprivation. Har Har Mahadev Nomo Shivay Shivay Nomoh

[@alpeshmittal3779]

Reservation will give opportunity not equality. Diversity Training: WHY Indian upper caste do not get enraged for violence against dalits the way white people in west fight for rights of non whites. Recently many people discussed this issue on social media ( you tube atleast some dalit media channels.) There are many reasons. Biggest one is theory of karma , which makes people believe dalits deserve the life they got due to past life karmas and any thing they get to mitigate their bad situation is non deserving and kind of favor to them. This is at subconscious level and people hardly recognize it. But let's keep that for other time as it by itself a very deep and broad topic.Another reason is white guilt against racism vs Caste pride in subcontinent. Let's keep that for some other time as well. Coming to the issue: BECAUSE most people don't see caste system as an Issue or atleast their issue. They don't see how caste system has harmed nation for miliniums and still doing it. For educated upper caste: they see some intercaste marriage between upper castes and declare caste system non existent. Most of them know Caste system through reservation system and start hating undeserving lower castes because they do not know and are not taught history of the land and why we came to this point. For them it's unjust ( technically they are right it's positive descrimination in favor of dalits) and need to go. When upper caste say real issue is economic status and reservation should be on that basis they have middle class or poor in mind but they have no idea what actual poverty is in villages and condition of poorest which belong to dalit Community. They can't see that these dalits are not only kept poor but exploited and humiliated for generations and it's high time upper caste India realize how selfish they are being when they choose to ignore this fact. Conversely, you see in West presence of "White guilt" where white people are ready accept historic wrong doings and are ready to fight to amend it. That is due to education and diversity Training. They are not taught how for thousands of years dalits were not allowed into temples, segregated from society and only after constitution they got basic human rights. They don't realize how this issue threatens national security as well( naxalite movement). They don't realize how caste system among upper caste also is detrimental to the unity of nation. Is Caste based politics not hindrance and threat to unity of nation. Stark inequality is a recognized threat to democracy and prosperity in any society. Don't we need to address that? They are not taught in school why India remain segregated compared to societies around globe due to caste system. There are similar things like caste in other countries but nothing as vicious as Caste system. Example: In my school ( one of the best in Gujarat at the time) mostly attended by upper caste ( jains, Patel, Bania, Brahmin) they would announce list of castes ( lower caste) and if you belong to any of them you go to office in the middle of lecture. Then they ask if your parents earn enough or you need to apply for certain assistance , if not you need to submit a letter in writing. Class used to burst into laughing when they announce these castes because most of the these caste names are used as curse words in Local language. This is their experience with other lower caste. Teachers also used to laugh but missed opportunity to teach students that just how proudly they say their caste some are cursed to be in caste which is curse word for no fault of theirs ( karma theory comes in to play here) and that is wrong. No need to say No religious diversity as well. ******** Solution: ********* What we can really use is diversity Training program like in US , starting from primary school to college and work place. In this we can include all kinds of descrimination ( handicap, gender, race (north east people, ) , regional biases, sexual orientation and caste descrimination. People should learn what kind of behavior is not appropriate, not legal, how to identify it, what are your legal rights, how can you help prevent it. Media can help spread awareness too. Remember : " Mile sur Mera tumhara" or " Chalo padhaye kuch Kar dikhaye". School kids can have projects like making pen friends ( Facebook) from other religions, other caste, from different backgrounds. Summer project can be to educate some one illiterate. You can be creative and sky is the limit. Trips to local village where people still practicing these descrimination. This will create awareness and pressure to get rid of caste system based and other descrimination. Dr Ambedkar said unless people share bread, birth, death , joy and sorrows together they will not feel cohesion in their hearts. People need to know women ( Common women)did not have right to property and inheritance until constitution gave them that right. In absence of that knowledge they just hate Dr Ambedkar as someone who has imposed reservation for dalits and hate him along with dalits. In really Dr Ambedkar had to resign fighting for these rights for women ( Hindu code bill) and not a single leader of the time supported him and hindy leaders vehemently opposed it.( We were not that liberal as we are told, and we still aren't compared to West) These things need to be discussed and debated. But how many social science students study such things? In villages people still don't mingle in each others birth, death and marriage ceremony, seperate cemetery, seperate well. A lot need to be done. This is a proven thing which has worked in US and West, can work in India as well. Only change in attitude will bring equality. We need to ask for this in every State and national level this should be implemented. There are other things that can be donebut that for other time. Please start spreading word (email to people in power,in person what ever way) we have lost 73 years can't wait anymore. But unfortunately, contrary to what is required, there is a big movement going on in which they deny there is or ever was Caste descrimination in India. There is a big effort to blame whole thing on British ( Check Rajiv Malhotra, subramaniam swami etc on KZbin). If we don't accept problem how and when are we going to solve it.

[@drrakeshparashar81]

@@alpeshmittal3779 very nicely analysed and suggested solution , Indian hindu population has been forced to reform, for good , since the time of Raja ram mohan rai and Mahatma gandhi ji ,still ready to reform its social evils ( selfish motives) , sanatan religion can not blamed but follower who twist it for thier own favoure. Yes the attitued towards cast must change in every citizen of india , every religion ,within indian geographical boundry must reform so we can reach to have Uniform civil code . Its is common sense, not to laugh at others ,do not demean others ,respect every human ,be compassionte ,be non violent in deeds and words , respect enviroment have been taught to us in sanatan culture so majoroty are sensible , what is wrong if these common traits taught to and followed by every citizen irrespective of Identity. If you stay in USA you may be knowing todays violent protests and revers racism and insecurity among common people when they come out with gun only to check a protest rally which do not happen in india where rallies happens on daily basis ,common citizen even dont keep lathis in house. What more tolrent citizens yoy expect .and yes nothing is 100% ,India is improving its socity news generation is having differrent values then thier previous generstion and i am confident people wont mind mentioning thier cast , As Ford ,Bush dont mind thier sirname .we must be patient. There is saying In sanatan tradition - Every happens for Good .So india has future for just equal socity provided every citizen reforms him or her .

[@Mysm80]

I think Saba Naqvi needs to move forward ! She is stuck at one point

[@aloksen626]

Mamata Banerjee is following Secularism in Bengal. Where madarsa are given more then 2000cr in funds. Where instead of Bengali they are being taught Arabic!And then they have issues with so called Hindi imposition! This is true secularism that has been followed since 1947 in India.

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

Agreed

[@nikesh0d]

Democracy is- Off the people, Buy the people, Far the people

[@unknowntoeveryone646]

Very soon we will say RIP TO SECULARISM WORD FROM CONSTITUTION...next parliament session is on the way

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

@@gaurav7215 shut up he is right ban polygamy on all religion dont give relaxation on muslim and christian.

[@saddamrifaqat2844]

@subhadeep mandal hahahahah so funny

[@StudentOf10]

Not possible. Requires constitutional amendment which is possible only if passed by majority of all state assemblies. With 90% of BJP's vote share lying in Central and North India, this won't ever materialize.

[@dattaramkalangutkar923]

@@gaurav7215 ha ha secularism and socialism is added in the time of emergency , so it will scrap some or the other day

[@dattaramkalangutkar923]

@@StudentOf10 nope ! Secularism and socialism is put in constitution in 1975 in time of emergency so it can scrap any time.

[@Rohit-tr2uk]

secularism was put in constitution during emergency(by the influence of soviet union's ''state atheism'').when they r majority they demand shariya,but in minority they demand secularism.

[@sgvrmm]

Western European countries are most progressive and developed countries because they separate state and politics. India is only a developing country so to work with each other, develop science and develop as nation we should separate religion with state and politics. If we aren’t secular we will become like Iran or Iraq or Syria or like other middle eastern countries where women have no equal rights. People should first learn what secularism actually means before they start debating. Secularism only means that it is not subject to religious rule. India is a diverse country with myriad religions so it is important that we are secular otherwise, it becomes conflict of interest boosting distrust in the central government. This is why we have to elect an unbiased political party at the central level. Not someone who boosts building a Ram temple as a proud moment for the country (clearly , to instigate sensitive religious people and build their vote bank).

[@harshchaturvedi9507]

While you were flaunting Temple building, You forgotted about Banglore riots, Tahir Hussain, the terrorists attacked that happened all through out the countries during the UPA regime who did it,From where did the Kashmir situation came I am not saying all Muslims are like that, Surely No. But I hate those people who sit silent and do not outrage against it. Why do we don't speak against Islamic radicalism and it's threat?

[@sgvrmm]

Harsh Chaturvedi You are mixing up too many things here. I am just talking about secularism and the aspect of separating state and politics. It applies to all religions to stay out of politics and our PM should also not flaunt about Ram temple. It is very shameful and causes insecurity to many other individuals who do not have the same religious value system that our PM and central government is biased. This is a very dangerous sign.

[@anveshkumar7022]

Bro has you describe secularism ? may i know in which part of the constitution it is described

[@kumar-df6tr]

@@sgvrmm I really agree with most of your points but at the same time Modi government came into power with the promise of building ram mandir and this was one of the reasons for the government winning such an enormous seats. Its not like government is not aware of these issues its just that they were democratically elected for the exact reason you are criticizing.

[@sgvrmm]

AYUSH KUMAR That is the sad part. To begin with Modi government didn’t find any other way but to stoop to these low level politics to earn votes from the innocents who could be easily lured based on their religious values. It is not correct to show that india is only Hindu country despite majority Hindu population. If tables are turned how would you feel? I understand that our neighbor Pakistan treats Hindus very poorly but at the same time our country foundation has always been different. It has been a land for all religions and to coexist has been its beauty and one shouldn’t break this bond between people. Sadly , it seems like there is no other way for politicians. Modi always make a political statement with saffron dressing and his conduct it is very clear that he is biased. In fact he used to be a RSS worker and these ties with RSS are scary which used to be foundational values for the Nazis.

[@ankitmaheshwari8283]

Look Sweden..kya haal kr diya vaha Islam k peaceful logo ne😬😢😐...

[@saddamrifaqat2844]

The demonstration of about 300 people was connected to an incident earlier in the day in which protesters burned a copy of the Islamic holy book, police spokesman Rickard Lundqvist told Swedish tabloid Expressen. They are RSS of Sweden

[@user-pb8ny6rm1p]

Bharat was a healthy democracy from 1947-1976 without being secular. The word Secular was added by Indira Gandhi after imposing emergency so she could make her way back to power on backs on muslim voters. During partition, Bharat gave land because muslims believed that they couldn't tolerate living with Hindus in a secular country.

[@sanatanify03]

The debate should have started with "Has India ever been a secular country?" Think about it anyone reading this comment and reply if you care

[@pseudonym9215]

Good question, yes India since it's formation has been a secular country both in theory and operation. The current Modi government is slowly changing that, recent example both state and centers governments involvement in the construction of a disputed Ram temple.

[@sanatanify03]

@@pseudonym9215 oh really? So was the Shah Bano judgement reversal secular? Was the somnath reinstalling secular? Was the Hajj subsidy secular? Is the money for Hajj houses given from taxpayers money secular? Is the iftaar parties organised on temple fund by govts secular? Is the banning of satanic verses secular? Is the banning of the book based on krishna secular? I can keep on going naming such things. The more we ignore this, the more we degrade our nation. We need to accept the fact that India IS NOT secular, it is PLURAL. There's four and a half mile of difference between the two. And I don't see how India is any less secular than it was even 30 or 40 years back.

[@elborrador333]

@@pseudonym9215 It wasn't actually a good question as he hadn't defined secularism. And your poorly worded response was just a string of assertions.

[@sanatanify03]

@@elborrador333 "secularism" is already defined. It cannot be redefined as "indian secularism". And politically motivated goons have already done a lot of mischief with the western notion of "secularism"

[@elborrador333]

​@@sanatanify03 Secularism is defined differently in different contexts, just like the concept of God for example. What do *you* mean by secularism?

[@nikkiyadav6953]

Sanket Sir you have conducted it really with a lot of civilised and directive.... Efforts

[@somun4127]

Work is worship Humanism is best policy to lead meaningful Life . We have to teach about humanity

[@MukkU8911]

For a "Democracy" (rule of the people, rule by the people and rule for the people through elected representative) like India (a plural country where several religion created and adopted) it is necessary to strike a balance between rights and voices of the people. For that we need a nation which is tolerant in terms of choices, opinion and religion, here comes the role of government to implement the policy of secularism. In the absence of secularism majoritarian could try to impose their choices, opinion and religion on other people which are in minority. In the absence of secularism we could experience the same which happen with persecuted minorities in several nation, which happen with Black people in US. I think it is definitly necessary for democracy to have a character of secularism in it.

[@elenavanderwoodsen9783]

The fact that there is a debate on whether secularism is essential or not shows how far we have fallen. Secularism is paramount for the existence of democracy there should be no qualms about that.

[@jojyrocks]

Secularism is good...but need to keep balance. Most go either faaaaar right or faaaaar left. There has to be a balance.

[@pseudonym9215]

@@jojyrocks don't be stupid, the very meaning of secularism is to remain neutral. You don't have too 'faaar right or left', the system is either secular or it's not. If you pick up the constitution and read it, barring CAA, all the laws mentioned in it are secular, hence the concept of secularism a basic structure of the constitution.

[@farhatkhan1686]

@Victor Smith That's A lie , it's Muslims who have been treated as second class citizens and Congress was trying to appease them and how is BJP treating the Muslims ? What has happened in the past , before 1947 is history and sadly it cannot be undone . So leave it at that and move forward .

[@sanatanify03]

@@farhatkhan1686 so you agree Congress was appeasing the muslims? Thanks for the admission, but the current govt doesn't believe in appeasing :)

[@elborrador333]

@@farhatkhan1686 In your opinion, why is it that most Muslim majority regimes today and in the past have, to put it lightly, not been secular or pluralistic? And if there is something fundamentally anti-secular about Islam as a worldview, why should it be tolerated in secular society?

[@SKK54321]

In Indian context secularism is meaningless... For Abrahamik Religion secularism is necessary....

[@swarnimagarwal]

You can delete my comment but the truth is what it is. I was your fan , but you played the victim card for muslims and rioters of Delhi

[@pseudonym9215]

What is the victim card? Please elaborate I would like to know the reason why you feel certain community is unfairly claiming to be the victim in Delhi pogram.

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

@Vasanth shut up jihadi riot done by jihadi and kapil mishra and tahir hussain.riot in bengalure by jihadi

[@ModiFan785]

मुस्लिम जहां अल्पसंख्यक है, वहीं सेक्युलर राज व्यवस्था पसंद करता है। भारत के अंदर ही जहां बहुसंख्यक है, इस्लामी शासन व्यवस्था चाहता है। दूसरे शब्दों में जब तक बहुसंख्यक न हो जाय, सेक्युलरिज्म को मुखोटे की तरह इस्तेमाल करता है।

[@apratim1998]

Correct. Isey Al-Taqqiya bhi kehte hain.

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

@Vasanth says a jihadi

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

True secular aana chaiye

[@rc2k22]

Today, definition of Secularism = Appeasement

[@MsMona1956]

Mr. Verma is so clear in his thought

[@MsMona1956]

@Zorba May be but I agreed 100% with what he was saying. His arguments show his knowledge.

[@MsMona1956]

@Zorba I did not look at it that way but you could be right.

[@studyportal1074]

What happened in Sweden..

[@ankitmaheshwari8283]

@@preias-sh1oi nd then a sick nd terrorist religion burnt the city chanting ola hu uber..

[@gokusaiyan6809]

preias 2021 what happened in bangalore.

[@jojyrocks]

Muslims multiply...but the other religions (Like Christians, stay single. Muslims are too conservative on marriage matters and they like having kids and lots of them...western nations like to live single and they keep complaining of Muslim population rising. There is a reason why birth rate in some most western nations and Asian nation like Japan have very low numbers as most people are due to many circumstances stay single. So PART OR HALF of the problem is the OTHER religion or non Muslims as well. Or the solution could be to force a law on restrictions on how many kids they could have etc...if they are immigrants and some nations have problem with Muslims. No point in complaining... Secularism is good...but need to keep balance.

[@joshuanishanthchristian5217]

A couple of crazy people burnt a Quran. Then 300 Muslims and their allies came out to protest. Some amongst the crowd got angry and began rioting.

[@saddamrifaqat2844]

The demonstration of about 300 people was connected to an incident earlier in the day in which protesters burned a copy of the Islamic holy book, police spokesman Rickard Lundqvist told Swedish tabloid Expressen

[@trueindian9178]

NDTV has totally lost its sanity. Tomorrow you will debate " Is democracy necessary in India ? Secularism is part of the Basic Structure of the Constitution which even Parliament can't amend. In the name of debate and presenting different point of views you simply can't debate things which represent core values of our Nation. Secularism is not new concepts. If you read history properly you will find Great Mauryan King Ashoka promoted it.

[@vibhorsaxena5533]

But in India We can see only one sided secularism Where's the other one?

[@somun4127]

Humanism is needed to our country

[@alpeshmittal3779]

Reservation will give opportunity not equality. Diversity Training: WHY Indian upper caste do not get enraged for violence against dalits the way white people in west fight for rights of non whites. Recently many people discussed this issue on social media ( you tube atleast some dalit media channels.) There are many reasons. Biggest one is theory of karma , which makes people believe dalits deserve the life they got due to past life karmas and any thing they get to mitigate their bad situation is non deserving and kind of favor to them. This is at subconscious level and people hardly recognize it. But let's keep that for other time as it by itself a very deep and broad topic.Another reason is white guilt against racism vs Caste pride in subcontinent. Let's keep that for some other time as well. Coming to the issue: BECAUSE most people don't see caste system as an Issue or atleast their issue. They don't see how caste system has harmed nation for miliniums and still doing it. For educated upper caste: they see some intercaste marriage between upper castes and declare caste system non existent. Most of them know Caste system through reservation system and start hating undeserving lower castes because they do not know and are not taught history of the land and why we came to this point. For them it's unjust ( technically they are right it's positive descrimination in favor of dalits) and need to go. When upper caste say real issue is economic status and reservation should be on that basis they have middle class or poor in mind but they have no idea what actual poverty is in villages and condition of poorest which belong to dalit Community. They can't see that these dalits are not only kept poor but exploited and humiliated for generations and it's high time upper caste India realize how selfish they are being when they choose to ignore this fact. Conversely, you see in West presence of "White guilt" where white people are ready accept historic wrong doings and are ready to fight to amend it. That is due to education and diversity Training. They are not taught how for thousands of years dalits were not allowed into temples, segregated from society and only after constitution they got basic human rights. They don't realize how this issue threatens national security as well( naxalite movement). They don't realize how caste system among upper caste also is detrimental to the unity of nation. Is Caste based politics not hindrance and threat to unity of nation. Stark inequality is a recognized threat to democracy and prosperity in any society. Don't we need to address that? They are not taught in school why India remain segregated compared to societies around globe due to caste system. There are similar things like caste in other countries but nothing as vicious as Caste system. Example: In my school ( one of the best in Gujarat at the time) mostly attended by upper caste ( jains, Patel, Bania, Brahmin) they would announce list of castes ( lower caste) and if you belong to any of them you go to office in the middle of lecture. Then they ask if your parents earn enough or you need to apply for certain assistance , if not you need to submit a letter in writing. Class used to burst into laughing when they announce these castes because most of the these caste names are used as curse words in Local language. This is their experience with other lower caste. Teachers also used to laugh but missed opportunity to teach students that just how proudly they say their caste some are cursed to be in caste which is curse word for no fault of theirs ( karma theory comes in to play here) and that is wrong. No need to say No religious diversity as well. ******** Solution: ********* What we can really use is diversity Training program like in US , starting from primary school to college and work place. In this we can include all kinds of descrimination ( handicap, gender, race (north east people, ) , regional biases, sexual orientation and caste descrimination. People should learn what kind of behavior is not appropriate, not legal, how to identify it, what are your legal rights, how can you help prevent it. Media can help spread awareness too. Remember : " Mile sur Mera tumhara" or " Chalo padhaye kuch Kar dikhaye". School kids can have projects like making pen friends ( Facebook) from other religions, other caste, from different backgrounds. Summer project can be to educate some one illiterate. You can be creative and sky is the limit. Trips to local village where people still practicing these descrimination. This will create awareness and pressure to get rid of caste system based and other descrimination. Dr Ambedkar said unless people share bread, birth, death , joy and sorrows together they will not feel cohesion in their hearts. People need to know women ( Common women)did not have right to property and inheritance until constitution gave them that right. In absence of that knowledge they just hate Dr Ambedkar as someone who has imposed reservation for dalits and hate him along with dalits. In really Dr Ambedkar had to resign fighting for these rights for women ( Hindu code bill) and not a single leader of the time supported him and hindy leaders vehemently opposed it.( We were not that liberal as we are told, and we still aren't compared to West) These things need to be discussed and debated. But how many social science students study such things? In villages people still don't mingle in each others birth, death and marriage ceremony, seperate cemetery, seperate well. A lot need to be done. This is a proven thing which has worked in US and West, can work in India as well. Only change in attitude will bring equality. We need to ask for this in every State and national level this should be implemented. There are other things that can be donebut that for other time. Please start spreading word (email to people in power,in person what ever way) we have lost 73 years can't wait anymore. But unfortunately, contrary to what is required, there is a big movement going on in which they deny there is or ever was Caste descrimination in India. There is a big effort to blame whole thing on British ( Check Rajiv Malhotra, subramaniam swami etc on KZbin). If we don't accept problem how and when are we going to solve it.

[@srijan1660]

no you are so wrong its absolutely mental you don't fight racism by inventing it

[@subhampradhan4442]

Dont worry people sill r going to ignore it

[@tusharparikh4322]

appeasement in the name of secularism is not essential for democracy.

[@pseudonym9215]

Please tell me one example of appeasement of Muslims.

[@tusharparikh4322]

pseudonym first example Iftar parties with the people’s money but nothing like that for Christmas, Diwali, Durga Puja, Holi, Vaishakhi, Paryushan, Janmashmi, Ram Nawami, Sarswati Puja, Easter, etc. Would not you call it appeasement?

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

@Butterfly lover looted our temple by fake secularism ,jihadi get out why masjid and chruch are not controlled by govt

[@dailyyoutuber4563]

The problem is not with secularism. The problem is the nehruvian flawed secularism the so called liberals practise where criticizing Hinduism is freedom of speech but criticizing islam is blasphemy.

[@normalhuman6581]

Dude... UC hindus are one of the most prosperous community in India

[@dailyyoutuber4563]

@@normalhuman6581 I am not talking about wealth

[@austin426512]

His wife is much more popular then him as a journalist

[@StudentOf10]

Who's his wife?

[@ankitjha596]

@@StudentOf10 palki sharma of wion channel

[@kunikrajput1457]

Define secularism first

[@justthinking6212]

secularism is very much required for democracy. Deepa says she practices hinduism, but she cannot say she is an Ideal hindu. Thus it distorts the hindu beliefs and culture. Ghandhi and periyaar did not participate in politics , because you have to cut corners, distort the religious message to win an election. Deepa should be open to criticisms of her religion and beliefs otherwise she should not be public about her beliefs. For e.g. Modi laid the foundation for Ram temple. The reason he/his party gives is , mughals destryoed the temple 500 years ago, so they are going to destroy masjid and build Ram temple. Ghandhi once said, an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. This act of Modi, cannot be accepted as a Hindu belief rather he has become a bad example. This is the very reason why we need secularism in our country.

[@elborrador333]

UK has a state religion and is also a democracy so there's the proof by contradiction that democracy needs secularism. I also think Gandhi's saying is too facile. It recommends submission in the face of oppression, something Hindus are unfortunately all too familiar with. If a person is going around poking people's eyes out, all others have a responsibility to destroy this eye-poker for universal peace and good.

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

Father of killed of hindu and sikh mahatma ganda gandhi cry for muslim in India but doesn't care about hindu - sikh In pakistan

[@justthinking6212]

@@avinashagnihotri5616 Sorry to say this, I am really sick and tired of hearing this dumb argument that congress doesn't care about hindus. If they did not care, then why would people vote for them. Who are the rich people in India, is it only non-hindus? People like you are actually against hindus. You very statement, spells hatred. Please don't forget Rama and Ravana are hindus, Arjuna , duryodana and sakuni are also hindus. Being hindu doesn't mean anything. but following it says a lot. Can you follow hinduism instead of just talking about it?

[@justthinking6212]

@@elborrador333 Do you believe in love thy neighbour?

[@elborrador333]

@@justthinking6212 If by believe you mean take the Golden Rule as practical guideline to live by, then yes, although I reject it in its form as a Biblical commandment. What's your point?

[@somun4127]

Dear elders and elite people . two month back when I was staying in my village, commonly I asked my grandmother like ajji which is your country(in Kannada) then she told my country is kudalagi . Kudalagi is a village in shorapur TQ, Karnataka state . I shocked how we have believing concept of nation, religion . In village Muslim and Hindu people are living each other like by calling Kaka,mava ,Anna . This political parties are breaking their lovely relationship..

[@iemon7722]

Me : Why did you name my sister Democracy Dad : Because your mom loved Democracy Me : Thanks Dad Dad : No problem, Narendra.

[@abinn88]

finally some relief in seeing debates

[@aryashrestha6861]

For the motion.

[@aloksen626]

Please bring in more learned debators. This debates was all but shallow.

[@संदिपमांडे-य1य]

You mean to say intellectuals from Bengal should be brought

[@aloksen626]

I support Hindu Rastra.

[@Ex-secular7]

Subhrasta is absolutely right. We was,we are and we will be secular.

[@pseudonym9215]

Madame shubrata claims one of the reason she rejects secularism is because it's a forgein term. Well democracy, republic, party etc, are also forgein terms and BJP has the word party in it. I rest my case. Nehru identified secularism as a possible source of dogma and this is what he said at a meeting of the Congress Parliamentary towards the end of his life: ‘Secularism is not a happy word. It does not mean we are anti-religious, it just means India is not formally entitled to any religion as a nation’

[@cyb-m]

If all the muslims in india can get together and help the kashmiri hindus and sikhs resettle in the valley and help them get their homes, money and jobs back, then i don't mind India being secular. If all the muslims and christians of india agree that they will not convert others thru foul means like money, brain washing of poor illiterates then I don't mind India being secular.

[@manishkarki7722]

Shubhrastha is Lady RSS chief...salute to Indira Gandhi....we are secular.. and we will remain secular...❤️❤️❤️

[@adh8361]

The burden of Secularism is not just the majority community responsibility

[@vivekra]

The real test of your opposition to secularism comes when you are in the minority. The title of the debate does not mention India. So would the people opposing secularism here also oppose it in USA? Would they cheer if USA prevented Hindus from entering government services, forced children to say Christian prayers in all schools, banned temples, put beef extract into all foods etc?

[@penntemp]

We need Hindu Rashtra. Akhand Bharat Hindu Rashtra is a must, must, must.

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

We don't want fake secularism and extremist of any religion

[@शाहीTalks]

For the motion is quite educated and logical

[@sumitsingh7835]

Democracy is rule of the Public & by the Public .

[@patbroad2180]

NDTV hosting debate on ‘secularism’ is like asking Pakistani army to respect people of every religion. These fake psuedo journalists are bane to society when they provide cover to hard core communal Islamists & present them as liberal seculars. LOL

[@SKK54321]

Pawan Verma is Good Person....

[@SKK54321]

Hindu itself is secular but Islam itself is communal.... BUT Narrative in India is just opposite..due to left Historians...

[@shantanumajhi2262]

Next CM in West Bengal Kamlesh Meena rexia Minakshi Mukherjee 0:25 0:25 0:25 0:25

[@vasanthkumarnagapuri9068]

Why this debate now, is govt doing any amendment on secularism?

[@ranvijayyadav7206]

Good and healthy debate ....not like republic TV ......

[@whythiskolaveridi1883]

Secularism: the principle of separation of the state from religious institutions.

[@nabyendu16]

Then how come muslim personal law board Exists doesn't it contradict secularism

[@whythiskolaveridi1883]

@@nabyendu16 British gave that to them, however why are you worried about there personal affairs?

[@kavitamehraulia780]

Respect for All faiths , very correct sir

[@saurabhg6331]

Firstly it is refreshing to see a clean, informed and civilized debate between well educated panelists and a very neutral, unbiased moderator (host). I congratulate NDTV for this initiative. Need more of this format on television.

[@parthopratik7687]

Can't believe we are debating on a debate that is part of the Preamble of our Constitution. Can't understand why NDTV had to do such a useless debate and just see the panelists. Such useless panellist against the topic. Why the hell are you bringing them to debate?

[@austin426512]

Can’t believe leftist and communists and Islamists use this secularism to oppress Hindus and we still are fine with this term forcebly introduced in constitution

[@farhatkhan1686]

@ Partha Pratik Secularism may be in the constitution , but the problem is that the present government does not practice it and neither it's supporters . Way to go NDTv , doing a great job !

[@farhatkhan1686]

@@austin426512 It's the other way around , people like you and the present gov't are the oppressors

[@austin426512]

Farhat Khan oppressor of Terrorist org ISIS and PFI ?? Hahah don’t read Quran much

[@geetanjaliattri5587]

@@austin426512 it's my humble request not to believe in things without reading it yourself and analyze it yourself ... Please please read some history and polity... Just the basic books to find out the secularism ... Secularism is not about supporting isi that a very very wrong perspective ...

[@RichiAnand95]

Bharat is DHARMA NIRPEKSH last 5000 years!!! 1947 Muslims Vote For Pakistan And Stays in India To Teach Hindus Secularism!! What NONSENSE ???

[@muskandodani4565]

I think that they were deviating from the very concept of secularism in indian context.. as the secularim that we have adopted is far different from the westerm countries which says that state should kept apart from the religion and should maintain equal distance from all religion unlike indian secularism which says that in india state should maintain equal proximity with all the religions i.e state is not separated from the religion but it is close with every religion and indian state will respect every religion in that country... so basically no one was coming to that point and all were simply discussing about past and the word secularism and not about its present relevance and how is it going against to uniform civil code( whether going or not)..

[@sahaj829]

How could Indian courts recognise Sharia-based Muslim Personal Law while claiming to be secular? How could Central and State governments take over the management of Hindu temples if they were secular? How could a secular government provide financial assistance to educational institutions run by religious organisations? How could a secular government codify and modify Hindu personal law? How would the government extend the existing caste-based reservations to minority religions if it were secular?

[@mubarakahmed9893]

Subramaniya Swamy of BJP is comparing Saudi Arabia with India , It is equal to comparing mustard with Mountain.

[@prasannamondal301]

I am trying to understand both sides, but I couldn't help but notice the use of the word 'Atheism' in the wrong place. Atheists don't think all religions are the same.

[@gamehaven2427]

Yes Of course it is essential..... But not the one which metamorphoses to minority appeasement. First organize a debate on What does Secularism means in the first place...? Many are confused!

[@sangeetasoni2011]

I vote for deepa mam and subhrastha mam.....

[@UPE-DharunShankar]

Very good

[@mrudulabhalke1848]

The concept of secularism is NON-UNIFORM. From where it originally comes, it simply means seperation of the state and the religion. In a way, it will mean that Sikhs can't wear turban in the parliament, Christians can't wear the cross etc. India is not and can never be secular in this way, which is why originally it wasn't used in the constitution. You just cannot seperate the religion completely in India. Everyone in the debate interpreted the term in their own ways and thus had different views. Miss Saba herself said "For me, secularism is...". If it's happening like this, what VALUE does the word 'secularism' hold? Any person can make up his definition of secular and follow it, whether it be ideal or not. This forms the root for misuse of the term. Politicians have manipulated the term in their favour, according to their convenience since 44 years😱. We have been literally fooled. Agreed that there are many aspects that we Indians should follow, but at least don't feed the people lies!.. First ensure that your country understands the principles, follows it and then announce it. China calls itself democratic, but is it? We can't even define secularism in the Indian context unanimously but we do beat the drums of secularism. God bless the future generations! They will live in illusion.

[@torqueRxF]

There is no point holding debates now, however insightful they may be. These debates, coupled with related mass votings on such tight issues could have held before the constitution was made. Also, the needs and aspirations of a country changes from time to time. There should be a provision for making important changes to it according to the needs of the time. Otherwise it will cease to have some practical effect on the decisions and policies of the people and the govt. Thank you _/\_

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

Pavan Varma is good on the issue of how politician create secular politics not applied true secularism.

[@abhid3702]

Sanket secularism is not simple as choosing sides and voting down for as you choose between India vs Pakistan cricket game. Secularism in itself is much more complex framework and it can only be viewed (put in practice) and not defined (in theory) as in any given big nations. By that I mean, everybody rather every religion has their own version of how they 'view' or 'practice' secularism and unifying that view isn't that simple and hence the conflicts as we see today are evident. There's no other way around simplifying the concept secularism but to accept it as it is and look for how this 'view' can evolve over the period of time and tame it with law and order if it gets out of control.

[@jennnly]

The first comment section where comment do have value points!🔥

[@dy4858]

NDTV use word hindu mob and forget to mention about other mobs relegion name,that is not secularism ..When they start just calling them as mob secularism will prevail in NDTV as well.

[@namansrivastava7187]

we need Sarv Dharm Sama Bhava which has been for very long time and this should be the meaning of secularism in Indian context.

[@sb9060]

It doesn't depend on Hindus whether to practise sarva-Dharma-Respect since Hinduism doesn't survive on exclusivism, procilytization. Sarva-Dharma-Respect is enshrined in the core principle of Hinduism. But when other Abrahamic Regions follow same idea, the core pillars of those religions fall apart...

[@jongtete7520]

Hindus debating about secularism... Instead of securalism being dabated on,debated about the PM attending only Hindu mandir inaugurations and never a mosque or churches.... And why does the debate not include people of all religions...its bias and unprofessional

[@aloksen626]

The motion debating for secularism, are themselves pointing out that secularism was never followed in India. Secularism was added to the constitution and the Republic wasn't even asked?!

[@rc2k22]

Under the name of secularism imagine for a few moments, India becoming an Islamic Country, just like other countries in the world having been Islamized, this whole debate will overturn.

[@rajrishibhaduri8848]

Are we are seriously debating this?

[@dr.pratibhamaitra7277]

Did Sita move out of the place on her own, happily or was she left in the woods without her knowledge? So many versions, wonder which is the correct one. Also, if we have the word secularism in the constitution how will it impact the governance of the country? And if we remove the word secularism from the constitution how will it benefit the country?

[@aprilgroup6143]

To say that Secularism is a western construct and so not necessary for India is nothing but Insecurity! If one is to go down that road, then is Democracy also a western construct and so not applicable to Indians? Because historically and factually speaking there wasn't democracy as it's known today when India was govern by royal families!

[@HarishD373]

Secularism is in constitution itself, So there is no need of debate on that.

[@M_R___974]

Only Pavan & Shubhrastha are convincing.

[@kshitipandey5754]

To know history and realize the atrocities is not non secular. We all have a right to know what bad happened and how to never let it happen again is truly secular.

[@edumediatube6001]

what exactly happens in Democracy.

[@edumediatube6001]

not happening

[@haseebcm1083]

Pls media debate about devolpment see how worst india gdp negative see how farmers are commiting sucide every chanel is debataiting religion cast poor people of INDIA

[@sarva2021q]

What is the necessity of this debate?? I am truly disappointed with NDTV now

[@swarnimagarwal]

Why ? Atleast we can point how Secularism word is killing Hindus. Everytime you see this channel it posts something fake or a propaganda

[@ishx_03]

Why this debate is not necessary????

[@trickyabb]

@@swarnimagarwal oh law and order problems is only killing hindus first then citizen?

[@ishx_03]

@UCzgM3umBIvvoO3tVdK5xxOw Bhai kisko Kya reply Kar rahaa hai.

[@sourabhbilgaiya9058]

Subrashtra ji is great and correct.

[@pseudonym9215]

ji, she is hot and stupid.

[@sourabhbilgaiya9058]

@@pseudonym9215 yeah like ur sister

[@SahilCLAL]

Secularism is beauty of india

[@HunToLearn]

Yes secularism burnt sweden

[@sgvrmm]

How!????!!! You are so ignorant and have no clue. False propaganda. Sweden is a developed country. India is only a developing country so to work with each other, develop science and develop as nation we should separate religion with state and politics. If we aren’t secular we will become like Iran or Iraq or Syria etc.

[@swarnimagarwal]

@ SG VRM , how do you justify it was peacefull by speaking "Ola hu Uber " ?

[@swarnimagarwal]

Is islam so weak that just by commenting on that, it makes it weak and makes you to retaliate by Killing that guy

[@swarnimagarwal]

@@sgvrmm i have replied to you in comments do check. How was Riots in Sweden peaceful by people shouting OLA HU UBER ? Is that religion so weak that someone burns your holy book in retaliation to the MURDER OF TWO KIDS WHO REFUSED TO BUY DRUGS. KEEP yourself in that situation. Burning the city because somebody abused your religion. Quite peaceful of you.

[@yallappadambal5316]

Secularism also burnt Bengaluru

[@SKK54321]

Dharma Is Quite different from Religion....

[@luminous6810]

If you sincerely research about Islam you will find secularism democracy liberalism and free from all injustice and peace. So implement sharia Law.

[@aloksen626]

Does eating cow comes under Sarv Dharm Sambhav!

[@azeezdgtal]

Religious tolerance is essential to peaceful living .. Rest all is beating around the bush

[@sb9060]

The concept of "religious-tolerance" for other religions is a hypocrisy if we doesn't have religious respect for other religions... This kind of tolerance-oriented secularism specially says-"You are no-good, but i would tolerate you".

[@manojjdash1901]

Secularism = State has nothing to do with religion.

[@MrVijay0611]

It's funny you have ppl from Congress talking about secularism. I think these guys forgot Shah Banu case. Also these guys were supporting Triple Talakh. Tab kaha gaya tha inka secularism. When the word was added to the constitution, why wasn't the Uniform Civil code implemented? You had a PM who said that the minorities have first right to national resources...tab kaha gaya secularism? Temples are under control of govt but not Mosques or Churches....is that secularism? Your definition of secularism is minority appeasement.....which is the exact opposite of secularism.

[@hamendrasrivastava3561]

You can call it by any name. But Mahatama Gandhi, the father of nation, always loved every one and respected all religions and faiths. I stand for that and so does Indian Democracy.

[@संदिपमांडे-य1य]

@Butterfly lover nobody is bound to practice it you fool.... Constitution is mandatory upon state not individuals... Why people are so dumb

[@avinashagnihotri5616]

Those gandhi silent oh mopallah riot even Ambedkar condemn .

[@tuhinbhattacharjee3334]

it's unbelievable that this is a debate now, that too on NDTV!

[@gokusaiyan6809]

Secular he hum, jab tak humari jaban pe ho lagam.

[@inshalahmad4232]

Same case for me also, as per your way of thinking. 😁

[@maximusxxiv]

Atleast have a clear playing field NDTV. The panelists against the motion are up against seasoned professionals in their fields and they were fish without water. This was clearly demonstrated in their clear lack of understanding of the topic on hand. Secularism in a bare bone definition means 'the principle of separation of the state from religious institutions'. It would have been interesting to hear a productive counter argument and not this. It's a no for me this time.

[@Themotorcyclerider]

why any one have problem with secularism ?

[@elborrador333]

Should ask the 20 countries with Islam as their state religion.

[@elborrador333]

@Butterfly lover The fundamental question is why tolerate a palpably non-secular ideology such as Islam in a secular country. Obviously accept the individual Muslims who call India home, but why Islam?

[@venkataRamana-ui4ll]

Super