India's Nilgiri-class Ship Brief

[@IndyRider]

A couple of corrections here: 1) There is no Chinese assistance involved as they are adverseries in the Indian ocean theatre. 2) INS Vikrant design is not influenced by Kuznetsov, but a homegrown design. Kuzentsov was a very old design.

[@Silent_Shishya]

The problem is that the lift of INS Vikrant was designed around Mig-29K. As a whole, even if the ship is not entirely influenced by Kuznetsov, some factors are straight up centred around Russian equipment

[@IndyRider]

@@Silent_Shishya True. Even though we only had Mig29s in the navy at that time,it seems like a miscalculation on the planner's part to not think about any future aircraft we might induct throughout the life time of this carrier.

[@easonhuang7117]

INS vikrant is Italian design and is inferior to Kuznetsov

[@kishu3b]

@@easonhuang7117 Italian design?😂.

[@craigkdillon]

@@kishu3b Yes. Italian design. You can tell by the racing stripes and leather seats.

[@M167A1]

Nice to see somebody getting new frigates

[@meow195kitty]

It is nice

[@ochat2010]

How’s the navy gunna steal the 10bil if they build em??? Huh? HUH?

[@Ibrahimarm]

​@ochat2010 They make em worse than they're supposed to be and pocket the money, or overpay for the labor

[@wuhanChineseVirus]

All 7 frigates are already launched and waiting to get commision

[@Leon1Aust]

@@wuhanChineseVirus commission not quite, most latter ships awaiting to be finishing fitted out.

[@PatrickBatefan]

Heavyweight torpedo Varunastra range is 50 km & max speed 50 knots & Chinese didn't provide any sensor for EW system.

[@manoharjishnu2009]

Out of all, assuming it being Chinese....nearly spilled my coffee.

[@corvanphoenix]

@@manoharjishnu2009 I nearly spat out my wine! XD

[@Archer89201]

European and Israeli help in many EW suite development

[@timetraveller8895]

European? Nah Israeli maybe.

[@k9killer221]

That's nearly identical performance as ADCAP Mk 48

[@sachair2701]

Chinese assisting India for building weapon systems, which are essentially meant to be used against them, India's top rival in the region, how does that work? DERL is part of DRDO and the Shakti EW is a completely indigenous system

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

Yeah the Chinese won't help anyone build ships that are probably going to be used against them. I think he means Israel not China.

[@ornerylurker8296]

More likely than you think. Consider for example that to sell anything, for example IPhones and game consoles in China you have to fork over detailed schematics on how to build them. It’s almost certainly a ploy to build trust while learning all of an enemy’s potential strengths and weaknesses to learn how to counter them.

[@nitinkumar29]

@@ornerylurker8296 Indians are not braindead, no military will be that braindead. BEL is doing incredible work in sensors and IC. Chinese quality is also unreliable and whatever they built is falling apart.

[@ChandranPrema123]

​@@ornerylurker8296oh patents? Like China doesn't have Copy Right😂

[@exurgemars]

@@ornerylurker8296 yeah, this isn't an iPhone we're speaking of, tbh.

[@jonny-b4954]

7:00 From my research, India has deployed the heavyweight. They actually just successfully tested a submarine launched variant of it last year. So, it seems like it's good to go as they're already working on variants. They built $180 million worth of them, apparently.

[@sachair2701]

yup

[@alexmcaruthur6966]

@@sachair2701heavy weight torpedo can also be launched by supersonic rocket called smart range is 650km

[@anantr99]

@@alexmcaruthur6966 No, the SMART system uses the Shyena light-weight torpedo. Rocket-launched HWTs are currently in the conceptual phase, but whether or not they come up is still not decided.

[@danielch6662]

$180m = 50 missiles.

[@anantr99]

@@danielch6662 180 million USD would mean far more than 50 missiles. We would be looking at a number closer to (or perhaps even over) 100. The SMART system is considered to be fairly cheap. The price tag you are using is the price tag of the BrahMos. The SMART missiles are far cheaper.

[@Shubhabratabanerjee]

1) All of the 32 Barak-8s in the ship have a range of 100 Km. You are confusing Barak-1 with Barak-8. 2) Latest iteration of the BrahMos has a range of 900 Km. It doesn't have an IR Seeker.

[@bulthaosen1169]

No. Not all. They are a mix of 16 each. One is MR and the other LR. They confirmed it. It makes no sense to take all LR anyways. Brahmos doesn't have 900km range yet.They are the 800km. Nilgiri has 800km ones. The older ships still have the 300km ones.

[@Shubhabratabanerjee]

@@bulthaosen1169 MR and LR are different terminologies used to designate the land and naval variant of Barak-8. Barak-1 is a completely different missile present in the older warships. It has a much lower range and an inferior seeker. Regarding BrahMos, some sources do claim the range to be 900 Km, while some claim to be 800 Km. It's up to you what to believe.

[@corvanphoenix]

These ships look outstanding. India is making big advances in capability in many areas. The fact that this is mostly indigenous is all you need to know about how serious they are about their future.

[@Statueshop297]

Mostly indigenous? What parts. The engines, gearboxes, generators, electrics? The sensors? The guns? The missiles? It’s ok to use other people’s tech, most nations do. So long as you have spares and can do what you want with them.

[@tigerland4328]

"mostly indigenous" is pushing it a little

[@ChandranPrema123]

​@@Statueshop297Mostly Indigenous. "Mostly"

[@timetraveller8895]

@@Statueshop297 electrics, sensors, gun, missiles all are licensed products. Made in india. Some are indigenous like missile casing, seeker's, single/dual pulse solid rocket motor, Warhead, electronic warfare suite, torpedos,

[@Statueshop297]

@@timetraveller8895 licensed products aren’t indigenous. I was responding to someone saying that the ships are mostly indigenous. I think it’s great the progress India is making with technology. The more people that try to come up with the solutions to problems the more chances someone with work out how to do it most efficiently and cheaper

[@ejwalsh877]

Indian armed forces have an interesting approach to their procurement. Cherry picking and combining systems from various nations.

[@ornerylurker8296]

If it works, it works, so it can probably work well if put together right. Better than the constant thievery and cheapness of Chinese knockoffs

[@Adi-bo5do]

it works for the navy but is a terrible fit for the Airforce and kinda works for the Indian Army

[@parthajitjana2222]

I think they take systems where they have maximum cost benefit and technology transfer arrangement. Navy has a aim to indigenise every component of navy by 2047.

[@peterasp1968]

The IN started this practice in the early 1980s when we wanted to fit Dutch radars to the 5th & 6th Leander class frigates under construction.

[@k9killer221]

From an overall socio-economic perspective, India is quickly evolving into a very powerful and prosperous nation. It's reached some economic takeoff point where factors of production all start combining into a spiral of rapid advancement and accelerating direct foreign investment.

[@A_Haunted_Pancake]

It would be so awesome to have a power-house like China, but without the dystopian commie dictatorship part.

[@Statueshop297]

India has a lot of work to do with poverty etc. India is a large nation and has potential to be a good leading nation. Upholding and enforcing international rules and laws while having input into making the world a peaceful place.

[@k9killer221]

@@Statueshop297 Agree. With respect to the rapid advancement, for example, the Indian "middle class" is bigger than the entire population of the United States.

[@corvanphoenix]

It'll need to be more politically stable before it gets more foreign investment. The current Hindu nationalism trend is what I'm referring to.

[@ap-dk5yw]

@corvanphoenix its simply a construct put forward by news outlets

[@sahilgupta1854]

saying that India had help from China is like saying the USA had help from Russia.

[@gavinhammond1778]

Excellent presentation, India isn t the poor cousin anymore, clearly. Thanks for the content.

[@josephpalack1440]

They still are. $2500 GDP per head. Their navy has a lot of catching up to do too.

[@exurgemars]

@@josephpalack1440 yes, and we're set to be 3x this per capita figure within a decade. (:

[@Statueshop297]

Try telling that to the millions of people struggling without basic services and living standards in India. It’s a country of contrasts and partly it’s wealth divide is what let’s India accomplish things at a lower price while allowing the top 10% to profit. As we have seen with the farmer protests etc the poor lower class can be a powerful force when they want to.

[@josephpalack1440]

@@Statueshop297 Yup the poor in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar voted against the BJP this time around and Modi is weakened as a result, despite all of the religious polarization he tried to stir up. 90% of the Indians commenting on KZbin in English are wealthy and upper caste. The rest of the country has a long way to go and is just now starting to receive basic services. In aggregate, the country is where China was in like 2007-08.

[@Humble_Balaclava]

@@josephpalack1440 Just stfubot, we can spot an ABDUL in SUIT, Still it's MODI 3.0 with all the MINORITY CRYING

[@pramodkb6635]

- India and China are arch rivals, India is fast tracking it's defence procurements just to arm itself against china, no way china is helping India in anything and Indians dont want it too. - The new variant of BrahMos would be used on these frigates which have a 500km range.

[@A_Haunted_Pancake]

Yeah, I was about to press x for doubt on the Chinese help theory as well. That ship has sailed some time ago and (fortunately) never docked.

[@yashasvisingh6694]

New Variant is 900 km

[@viveksorathiya2057]

Newer ones are 800-900 range

[@ChandranPrema123]

Arch rivals? Like we never were . Its CCP a threat to all

[@Red-90]

Saying China and India are rivals is an exaggeration because India is not even in the same league as China. China is comparable to the US.

[@Gr8putin]

India never said Brahmos is India only project in fact name of missile is from rivers of India Russia. What India did is took Russian missile absorbed the technology slowly swapped Russian parts with Indian parts made anti ship missile to make it work in other modes added few dive modes and inducted heavily in numbers

[@avinashgore6258]

On BrahMis. Next version called NG has a range of 400 KMs, speed approaching Mach 3. This missile cuts large surface combatants in two pieces by Kinetic Energy and explosives do not matter. In the last stage it takes S maneuver to dodge CIWS and is sea skimming at 2-3 meters and very difficult to track, and counter. Indians have made huge progress in Missile technology in last 20 years. Brahma’s is at the cutting edge of anti ship technology.

[@kishu3b]

Brahmos is based on russian missile at the beginning but India upgraded this missiles since then. Now it is better than that russian version.

[@MarkStormwind]

@@kishu3b Then why doesn't Russia use it?

[@kishu3b]

@@MarkStormwind bcz they have a similar missile and buying indian weapon will damage their reputation.

[@bulthaosen1169]

​@@MarkStormwindlack of funds. Similar to many russian projects. And they already had p-800. They would have to get rid of current systems to use new ones. They are upgrading their p-800 to be used in ukraine though in land attacks.The upgrade would make the new p-800 somewhere between brahmos and current p-800 in capability. A relatively cheap but quick upgrade. From the data upto august 2024(?) p-800 had very low interception rate but not good accuracy as they are anti ship and lacks modern guidance system. They want to use the brahmos land attack tech in the upgrade.

[@akhilyugesh]

Chinese help for sensors on indian ships is really hilarious!

[@abingdonboy]

The Indian navy has already tested the Brahmos out to >700km range, 290 was a limit imposed by MCTR which doesn’t apply anymore

[@danlegris387]

Canada has spent close to $7billion already on our CSC and we haven't even cut 1 piece of steel yet

[@Alice-7777]

Corruption

[@Karthagast]

Sounds familiar. It seems Canada is imitating the mismanagement of Constellation Class frigates proyect in USA. Even the amount of money spent in having basically nothing yet, $7 billion, is similar. But, hey, USA already cut 1 piece of steel, no more, just 1. USA is ahead. LOL

[@jeffreyskoritowski4114]

Sad Constellation class noises.

[@danlegris387]

@@jeffreyskoritowski4114 We turned down a $30billion fixed cost bid on the Fremm including an early delivery clause, now we're staring down a $100bill project for 15 ships and we won't see the 1st one until 2034 and that is without more delays. I would say the Constellation Class is still making us look bad, India is making both projects look bad

[@bulthaosen1169]

​@@danlegris387wait what? The first ship in 2034? The hell? At this rate we would die of old age before the number of ships are completed.

[@Archer89201]

Barak LR/8 is medium range with about 70km, the old Barak was the point defense system. They are planning ER extended range variant with 120km range or moe with added boosters for the fleet defense role in the future destroyers. Also the Brahnos/Onyx case can be seen as what the Israelis did with the AKM and Galil, the Brahmos has been constantly been updated and upgraded to improve the range, speed, guidance and other features

[@exurgemars]

At the risk of repeating this again, BrahMos' 450km-600km variants are operational with IN. They're currently testing 800-900km variant. Edit: As for the tech, its rather widely known BrahMos is a JV, with much of the tech being hand-me-downs from Russia in the beginning. The powerplant itself is still the licensed Russian version, but India has parallely developed its own ramjet propulsion for the STAR project. That aside, subsequently parts of Brahmos have been indigenised by means of local sourcing of both domestically designed and TOT sub-components; indigenisation including both the above criteria stands at some 78pc as per BAPL right now. Upcoming BrahMos NG will also feature an AESA seeker and an ALCM role that no P-800 variant in service with Russia does.

[@aaravtulsyan]

Also I don't know what he means about Indian Navy not finishing designs? Like whaaaat?? He doesn't know about Delhis, Kolkatas, Vizags?

[@TheGreatMarathaArmy]

He said maybe Chinese are helping India with ECM/EW system 😂😂😂 He has No idea regarding this topic.

[@corvanphoenix]

It's a brilliant missile & it does India credit.

[@K3ppa]

@@corvanphoenix russians gave use brahmos for 290km range. India increased it speed from 2.5 to 3 mach. Increased range to 900km. Making most parts in india and indian parts are increasing every year.

[@exurgemars]

@@aaravtulsyan he might be over-generalising the procurement choices of the military. I think the worst culprit is IA. IN, which has done most to contribute to indigenous R&D & sourcing, getting clubbed with it is a bit unfair.

[@Persian-Immortal]

Hi Aaron, How are you? Awesome video! The Chinese wouldn't have helped India with the ESM sensors. India and China aren't exactly friends. I mean, both countries could go to war at any moment.

[@ronmaximilian6953]

Oh I would argue that India and China are effectively in a cold war. China occupies part of India after their 1963 war.

[@sachair2701]

precisely...most of the weapons Indian military is building or importing are targeted against china. besides Shakti is a completely indigenous system.

[@nitinkumar29]

Exactly!

[@RahulDevanarayanan]

Never thought I’d say this but for once as an American I’m jealous of an Indian procurement program. Sure wish we were pumping out constellations at the volume we need to deter or win conflict in the SCS

[@Leon1Aust]

They have yet to complete any Nilgiri class as are under construction and the design start was way back in 2012. The Constellation was chosen in 2020 is entirely different ship vastly superior weapon systems and sensors with network centric. Nilgiri class have 32 short to med range missiles while the Constellation has 32 cells but all can be quad packed and if fitted with the same range SAM as Barak can take a theoretical 128 missiles, although highly unlikely. Remember it was only in 2021 that design was started on the Constellation class I think people must give the chance for US ship yards to perform before being critical. Nilgiri class were conceived a full 8 years before the Constellations.

[@exurgemars]

@@Leon1Aust the first of the Nilgiris are to be handed over to the IN this August. There was mild delay because the Navy asked for some changes amidst construction just last year.

[@milkshake1993]

​@@Leon1Aust US shipyards havent been performing well in at least a decade or two, how much longer are we going to be waiting?

[@viveksorathiya2057]

When delivery starts from this August, we will get 1 ship each year from delivery,and there will be follow on order too

[@RahulDevanarayanan]

@@Leon1Aust i totally get that the constellation has some design advantages - but hulls in the water will always beat no hulls in the water. Military strategy is built strategy.

[@JanverPunzalan]

I hope you can feature the new Philippine Corvette acquisition. From South Korea.. Great Video, Very Informative!... GOOD JOB!!

[@anantr99]

There has also been some talk of plans for a new class of frigates classified as Project 17B. Those ships will be modified versions of the Nilgiri-class, with plans to build 8 ships. These ships will start entering service in the mid-2030s, and will replace the Brahmaputra-class and Batch 1 Talwar-class frigates, taking India's frigate numbers up to 25 by the early 2040s.

[@sunilrazdan4964]

There is a latest addition in the ASubM cat. The missile is called SMART. Range 630 km.

[@Shubhabratabanerjee]

That's ground launched.

[@ronmaximilian6953]

Elta is an Israeli company. Israel is a major arms supplier to India. The Barak 8 is likewise an Israeli system. Many of the most advanced Indian aircraft have Israeli radars and long range missiles. India is willing to purchase these from other countries while also working on creating similar or more advanced indigenous systems.

[@TheGreatMarathaArmy]

Barak 8 is joint venture between India and Israel, most of Barak 8 missiles are made In India. It's called MR SAM and LR SAM in INDIA.

[@viveksorathiya2057]

BARAK-8 Is JV its also known as MR-SAM

[@nitinkumar29]

Learning from anyone is welcome, nobody knows everything.

[@rowon8249]

India represents a significant advantage for the United States in its competition with China., hope USA wont go back to what they did with India in 1971,

[@mihirshetye4624]

facts

[@JuneBaby01]

Then India should quit trying to ride the fence...either you're a friend or you're less than a friend, and India is painting it's own self into a corner by it's actions. India declared itself not a friend of the USA when it joined the BRICS nations, and united with these enemy nations in their efforts to undermine the U.S.

[@igs_]

Thank you for recognizing this, very few of us know what we did back then in other parts of the world. It's a shame because if it wasn't for that we'd most likely be allies by now

[@rohitb5834]

Nilgiri Class will most likely be the best frigates in the world, in its weight category, when commissioned next year.

[@bestestusername]

Very decent amount of weapons for a frigate, good to see nowadays.

[@Humble_Balaclava]

CORRECTION: Chinese Supplying Sensors to Indian Navy, Mate they are adversaries for us, how can they help with sensors?, It's like saying Iran provides radar equipment to Israel. You being a USN veteran, we really respect your take on our Naval assets and most of them are correct, but sorry to say, there are also many mistakes in your analysis. Until now, we have not seen an unbiased and balanced analysis from commenters from the West/EU of our armed forces, whether they be Army, Navy, or Air force.

[@kishu3b]

Yes.

[@user-cc3pi3ir2y]

LoL... Everyone knows India uses plenty of Chinese stuff.. even the fabric of ur army is Chinese made... Btw tea is fantastic ❤

[@Humble_Balaclava]

@@user-cc3pi3ir2y Lol PORKBOT, at least we can pay for it, something even the US buys from China and..... But still your Tea can't beat, 92000 Porki Soldiers Surrendering in their UUNDERWWARE.💀 Btw, do you need some Atta?

[@krish2.ogamerz248]

​@@user-cc3pi3ir2ypakistani has nothing to do in this

[@thegreatindia3677]

@@user-cc3pi3ir2y We are not Pakistani beggars . Jalne wala mu kala 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@erloriel]

Seems like a very sensible ship with a mean bite. Sensor usage and training will obviously be decisive, but this seems like a good platform to protect India's maritime interests, short of squaring off against China. But the Chinese parity-opportunity-horse bolted about a decade ago, so they'll need an offset strategy there anyway.

[@AmanYadav-vq1wn]

We are a non expeditionary force, our interests lies from suez canal to malaca strait, and this is a frigate, for operating in SCS we have destroyers that regularly do portvisits in Japan, Vietnam, singapore, indonesia, philipines and even to russia

[@manoharjishnu2009]

Is Aaron aware of the regional history and geo politics? I mean the remark that China potentially helping India with EW suites. That's like saying US helped Russia build a 5th gen fighter. One of the prime reasons for India's naval build up is to face the Chinese threat. Also many of the stats are way off. I don't know whether this happens because of the preparation of a dedicated presentation for the video, but more accurate (at least publically released ones) are easily accessible in Google.

[@corvanphoenix]

In my few decades of experience, it's very difficult to underestimate how much Americans know about anyone else. Even career professionals in their military, seem to know absolutely nothing about even their closest allies. We, as fans of the technology (& not from the US), just can't imagine how they can be so deep in the life, without knowing the basic facts we knew even as civilian 12 year olds.

[@jmax8692]

No he doesn’t 😂

[@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire]

​@@corvanphoenix Well, India isn't a close ally, so it's understandable in this instance

[@corvanphoenix]

@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire Yeah, totally. It's a less isolated world now, so we can use joint training to make sure we all have a better idea of what our mates use.

[@PatriotIndia]

After India became member of MTCR Brahmos range is increased to 450km and 800 km range and Nilgiri class is going to be fitted with these upgraded versions of Brahmos and Also RBU 6000 rockets are Indian made by L&T increased to 8-9km

[@JaidevJamwal]

@13:38 Chinese are definitely not assisting :))

[@GrahamCStrouse]

India sure does like to shop around when it’s building its ships! There are systems on this frigate sourced from Russia, America, Germany, Israel & Indian manufacturers & I’m pretty sure I missed a few countries.

[@distroyer06djsn86]

You'd have perun make your slides? Lol

[@exurgemars]

Yeah that caught my eye too lol.

[@Persian-Immortal]

Aaron makes his videos side slides for a really long time.

[@bestestusername]

Probably the same program, his slides have looked similar for ages now

[@billygoatgruff3536]

​@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617 Seeth Russian simp.

[@michael_083]

This is a generic template in PowerPoint. No shade intended for calling out that it is generic, content > form.

[@JonathanHStone]

I highly doubt that the Chinese are helping the Indian Navy in any respect; they are the peer oppositional power in the region. Pakistan and China cooperate, both to counterveil Indian power.

[@nekomakhea9440]

Kinda weird they still carry 6km range depth charges when modern subs will kill them _wayyy_ before they get that close, and it's redundant since they already have torpedo tubes on their wings for short range ASW, and a helicopter for long range ASW. They could use the deck space and weight budget for more VLS instead, and put anti-sub missiles in the extra VLS if they need more ASW capabilities. Maybe the RBUs are for mine clearing? An impressive ship otherwise, if only USN would pull their head out with the Constellation frigate fiasco and build something this nice!

[@ronmaximilian6953]

The rocket boosted charges are dual purpose designed not only to attack enemy submarine, but more importantly as a defensive measure against incoming torpedoes

[@sourabhdeb701]

It's 9km range plus Rbu,-6000k is kept for immediate close quarter shore bombardment when approaching a hostile harbour plus Rbu,6000k has broadside capability 😅 as shown against houthi pirates of Yemen . 2 Rockets are better then 4000 bullets against pirates (cost effective)

[@AmanYadav-vq1wn]

If you see the geography of bay of bengal many sea ridges exist where submarines can hide and come close to ships knowingly or unknowingly

[@indikart1]

Like others already pointed out, mine clearing, hidden subs in under sea ridges, improved range. There is a use for RBU other than all this. Subs are slow (except the nuclear powered US subs) once they run out of torps, fuel, battery charge (diesel electric) they are sitting ducks. Ship can close the gap and hit them RBUs. Firing torps not always effective as a sub could still have decoys in store. Having legacy systems are sometimes useful. Just like a AK630. That beast is perfect for drones, subsonic missiles approaching the ship. Just some thoughts...

[@bulthaosen1169]

It's a point defense weapon. Normally it would be phased out but with drones both underwater and surface becoming problem it's better to have them.

[@sarants4488]

Actually these frigates are a scaled down version of P15 A/B class destroyers of indian navy...these destroyers have been in service of indian navy since 2015

[@surajbiradar9827]

@@sarants4488 scaled up and improved shivalik with all the flush deck is more accurate I think

[@UncleJoeLITE]

These look like a potentially good export, especially for middle powers like Australia. Nice to see competition to the usual French, Italian Spanish & German ships. Cheers Chief.⚓⚓ _I must doubt the CCP would give India cutting edge sensor tech, they're having a Cold War._

[@isuzu343]

India won't even allow Chinese manufactured CCTV cameras or DJI drones anywhere near its military installations. It has also banned TikTok for years now. What makes anyone think India would use Chinese junk on their capital surface warfare fleet or seek their help in developing systems that are primarily built to combat the Chinese? Makes no sense.

[@corvanphoenix]

Even if it were just to make the other major players keep their price down. I can't imagine they could be added though as I can't imagine them not being substantially cheaper than the rest & I don't see it politically possible to make such a big alliance with Mohdi.

[@tigerland4328]

I doubt Australia will be interested. They will more likely go for a British or American design

[@Leon1Aust]

@@tigerland4328 Aussies are after 11 frigates could be from (Spanish, German, South Korea or Japanese design with US weapon systems and Australian sensors) capable for their size but to be quickly built overseas ASAP due to the China issue.

[@tigerland4328]

@@Leon1Aust yes I read about that. Didn't know they had already named the potential designs thou?. Plus they are building the British type 26

[@PrinceKumar-sr8fr]

Wikipedia gives more reliable information than this guy

[@sniperfi4532]

The radar mount reminds me a lot of the retrofitted ANZAC class frigates.

[@dhrubamaitra7545]

Then you should google Visakhapatnam-class destroyer. BTW the height helps it to detect Sea Skimmers farther out due to extended radar horizon

[@avinashgore6258]

Yes! That is Italian gun, now manufactured in India.

[@peekingowl4074]

You can check out the kolkata and vishakapatnam class destroyers

[@tomriley5790]

Appartenly Argentina is looking to buy used Submarines to replace it's current ones, what do you thinkg? Incidentally there's no company called General Electric anymore - it's a collection of completely individual companies. Nilgiri class looks like a decent balanced design. The other advantage of having an IR seeker on the missile is that it helps it tell the difference between a real ship and a decoy (radar decoys will have different heat signatures and vice versa). One factor I would see as a problem is that India has used alot of different systems developed with alot of differnt countries, in geopolitical terms this means that unless India has complete ability to produce parts for all these systems (which it may do not sure). India needs to stay on friendly terms with all those countries (Russia/Israel) this may explain India's anti-Ukraine position maintaining it's relationship with Russia. 40kts is a bit slow for a heavyweight torpedo by modern standards but a generation ago would be be normal (preADCAP/spearfish)

[@SubBrief]

Argentina can't afford a Navy. They have larger issues right now.

[@rohitb5834]

India didn take any stand on the Russia Ukraine conflict.

[@AryanRaj-ib5oi]

Great video, a few important corrections though: 1) The current variant of BrahMos Supersonic Missiles have a range of 800 Km (97.2 NM), all older missiles are being upgraded rapidly to that range. 2) China will sooner nuke Beijing than help India with our EW System. India & USA don't have an intense R&D cooperation, it's a more buy-sell relationship for now. The Shakti EW system is a purely indigenous effort. DRDO has made great progress in indigenous EW/ECM & ECCM capabilities, not just for Ships but also Fighter jets like the Angad and DRDO ASPJ. 3) Vikrant is not based on the Soviet Kuznetsov, while it may take some inspiration from it, the Aircraft Carrier is an indigenously developed STOBAR design by the Indian WDB. 4) While SOME Indians online (civilians & citizens) might claim that BrahMos was developed by India out of love and pride for our country, that is obviously not true. Officially the Indian Govt, Scientists and Defence Organisations have NEVER claimed that. It has always been stated that this is a joint development project and that the missile is clearly based on the Russian P-800 Oniks with a lot of Russian cooperation. Today the Missile has a very high Indigenous content and that is only on the rise. The missile can be manufactured by India without much Russian dependence. 5) Barak-8 or MR-SAM are a little different from their Israeli counterpart, these missiles have a range of up to 120 Km. 6) India has already deployed Heavyweight Torpedos on similar systems and these frigates WILL have them. Overall a great video apart from these issues. Really informative. Hope to see more of these.

[@3Areviews]

Wait for Project 17B with full stealth mast and higher indigenous content.

[@RichfromVirginiaBeach]

Great analysis Aaron as always.

[@voidtempering8700]

What do you mean when you said China might be assisting them with EW?

[@MuhammadAli-255]

I think he got it mixed up.

[@madjules9873]

Can the RBU-6000 rockets be deployed to intercept incoming torpedoes? Just a thought

[@aruunmenon]

Yes, that is arguably the main intention/use.

[@Leon1Aust]

Does this ship have a towed array sonar?

[@SHaldar007]

Ofcourse

[@sambojinbojin-sam6550]

It's always nice to hear an American commentator that knows about this stuff sort of going "They've got a what now? On their frigates?". Yeah, it's not that great, but geez, it's not that bad either.

[@MrKKUT1984]

I have a question that may be a little off subject from the video but i have been wondering about it. Are there any submarines that can track and take down aircraft?

[@rohitb5834]

nope. no chance.

[@Myanmartiger921]

@@rohitb5834i think few submarines can attack helicopters and drones?

[@thisisprayag4172]

Nilgiri class frigates are good but the best ships in Indian Navy except aircraft carriers is Imphal class destroyers for context this ship has 8 brahmos VLS IND Imphal has 40 of it with a higher range. So it packs quite a punch.

[@anantr99]

Imphal is a Visakhapatnam-class destroyer. Those ships have 16 BrahMos missiles plus the 32 Barak 8 SAMs.

[@HorstMichel-mh7gv]

By end of 2025 India will put the BrahMos NG on the ships of this class.

[@jaykumar_khot]

it might sound stupid question but why would china help India in marine domain when we have an adversarial relation on land? especially with a key technology like EW that has usage beyond marine systems?

[@brtroia1]

Good video, are you have information about programs of platforms semissubmersible to apply of naval bases?

[@tigeri2336]

One correction though, Brahmos missile range is increased to 450-600kms from previous 290kms...there is wrong data regarding light weight torpedo and heavy weight torpedo...

[@rohitb5834]

BrahMos-ER has been tested around 800 kms. Those are the variants that will go into the Nilgiri class. Its probably already equipped on the Vishakapatnam and Kolkata Class

[@bulthaosen1169]

​@@rohitb5834no. Vishakapatnam class has 600km range. The older class still have 290km range. I don't think they have upgraded yet. I think the upgrades time was supposed to co incide with VL SRSAM and they only completed testing this year. But nilgiri will have 800km ones.

[@willemsma]

14.8 km equals 8 nautical miles. There is your even number.

[@vietmontague]

Think there might be a typo in the operational range of the sea king helo. 764nm vs the sea hawk's 245nm? Something is off.

[@dmukherjee8463]

Thanks for the assessment. Could you also provide maybe your perceived value for money/tonnage ranking of naval vessels in the same class/role? It’ll be good for understanding which countries are doing it right and being more efficient about their spending. Btw, Brahmos has a terminal active radar seeker, no IR.

[@rokuth]

There is a variant of the BrahMos that is air launched from a Su-30MKI.

[@sarants4488]

Indian navy also operates the mq9 sea guardian drones

[@sarants4488]

The new barak 8 used by indian navy has a range of over 100 km

[@mercedesbenz3751]

In all the 4 wings of Indian Military, Indian Navy is making the most progress. Airforce is the slowest.

[@Sarj0129]

No, we Indians never said we build on our own.. We co-developed, however most of the recent tuning to the Missiles were done by India... the Missiles has Multiple Variants and can be used from all the platforms.. Land Sea and Air

[@owlsayssouth]

distributed into 4 smaller ships that thus have 4x the shipyard flaws, requires more crew, costs more to operate, and that assumes they actually build them and don't just cancel the project after building 2 junkheaps. genis.

[@abjt_s]

Well, a repeat order of 8 more made for 8 bn $ , totalling 15 of them.😮

[@Myanmartiger921]

7

[@timborchers6303]

Well done. My only comment is that you refer to the gun housing as a turret. Traditionally in the US Navy anything 5” and below is in a mount, not a turret. Turret was used for larger guns. I’m not sure how India describes its gun housing.

[@ronaldfranklin6122]

The German made MAN diesel are as good as anything GE ever made

[@informationcollectionpost3257]

Nice frigate or corvette. It should make potent weapon for smaller nation too.

[@paulantony4598]

Basically a scaled down version of the Kolkata class destroyer..

[@GauravKharb-nq2en]

Ya but with better engines & turbines plus 3d radar aswell After this frigate project & Vishakapatnam(improved kolkata class destroyers) last Vishakapatnam class destroyers name INS surat . New project called project 18 to design 96 VLS destroyer will start.

[@paulantony4598]

​@@GauravKharb-nq2en Even Kolkata has the 3 d MF-Star. Though this Nilgiri has the secondary 3d rotator compared to the Kolkata's 2d. I don't think India will ever field s 96 cell warship..let alone a frigate. No way will their budget ever let that..

[@GauravKharb-nq2en]

@@paulantony4598 than you have no idea about India gdp & growth rate . India gdp currently around 4 trillion dollars & growth rate around 7% By the end of this decade India will be 3rd largest economy with defence budget > 100 billion dollars.

[@paulantony4598]

@@GauravKharb-nq2en 🤣

[@GauravKharb-nq2en]

@@paulantony4598actually Indian gdp in terms of purchasing power is 14 trillion as of now after USA & China . Project 18 class destroyers ( 96 VLS cell) will replace indian navy current modified old soviet design delhi class & Rajput class destroyers which are 6 in number . Indian navy recently also released a video about their future plans in which 96 VLS cell destroyer is major highlight. It is expected that funds will released for project 18 destroyers in current government administration (2024 -2029) so by 2035 96 VLS cell destroyer will be reality if every thing went right. Rolls Royce already offered it's MT30 turbine engines , hybrid propulsion systems for next generation destroyers to India.

[@bhaveshpatel7042]

8 more nilgiri class frigates. 4 more culcatta class destroyers and 8 new class of corvette (5000 tons) are in pipelines.

[@akhil5995]

Bramhos range has been extended by India upto 800km and indigenous sensors have been added and successfully tested.

[@SubBrief]

yea, and a cow jumped over the moon. don't believe india's bullshit.

[@dhrubamaitra7545]

@@SubBrief You can believe whatever you want

[@rohitb5834]

@@SubBrief then dont make India related videos if you are not willing to basic facts lmao. "Sensors from China" Lol, didn u say something like that in your video?

[@StupidDanimations]

Guess we should just have India build our ships...

[@animeshkantibiswas4155]

We never say we completely built brahmos by ourselves. Even the name suggests ( brahmaputra and moscova ) .

[@ankurpandey4479]

One thing in ew systems Chinese didn’t help us.

[@GIANNHSPEIRAIAS]

gonna do any video about the new french frigate the fdi?

[@sarants4488]

Brahmos currently in service have a range of 400 kms...and now the new 700 km brahmos have been successfully tested by indian navy

[@jeebusk]

1032 or 1232 rpm? @ 9:30

[@jrmagallanes4219]

Consternation-class?

[@sidharthcs2110]

These slide templates are pretty familiar

[@muktiprateekdas9769]

Even though indias platform were of russian/sovient origin but the electronics, sonar system ,EW system are either eiropean,israeli or indian. Thats how india has a stronger airforce than pak and china despite smaller numbers .same applies for russian ships infian bought . Ship operation,fire contol softwares are indian esighned

[@artus198]

Wow ! India is privatising their defense manufacturing significantly, although ship design and build is still done by Govt agency. I would be interested to see how the AMCA is progressing

[@parthajitjana2222]

Its coming late. But tejas mk2 will be coming within 1-2 years.

[@ranx9078]

Indian manufacturing always bring joy to everyone. They are a stand up comedian for Herculean efforts in making the weapon around the world work in one ship. Lol…

[@bestestusername]

Have a look at the ships the world is producing then look at UK, Australia and America, our ship building is embarrassing

[@Statueshop297]

In what ways? The U.K. is making 2 frigate types right now. 5 general purpose and 8 ASW frigates have been ordered.

[@rohitb5834]

I believe US is still the world's largest naval shipbuilder in terms of number of warships under construction. China follows and then India. Uk or Australia however is not in the league.

[@subirmajumdar4493]

What Chinese sensors were you referring to?

[@AndrewRoberts11]

The Chinas weren't partners, just suppliers of components; the hull being based on a Soviet design (the super structure is Indian), similarly the Brahmos cruise missiles are a localised Soviet 800 Onik design, as are the AK guns and anti submarine launchers, while the turbines are US, the diesel engines are German, the radars and BARAK air defense missiles are from a joint venture with Israel, the helicopters US, the 76mm cannon and the project management are Italian, while the concept, colour, ensigns, uniforms, doctrine, are derived from British patterns.

[@rohitb5834]

calm down ,clown

[@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire]

Is anything Indian about it?

[@JamesThackeray]

You just keep getting better and better love what you do. Thank you very much😉👍

[@nikhil.k8938]

india also building nuclear submarine underwater dock near bay of bengal

[@wuhanChineseVirus]

INS varsha

[@nilanjangupta763]

Let's not advertise a secret of the Indian Navy.

[@wuhanChineseVirus]

@@nilanjangupta763 India Navy literally announced this in public

[@ChetanSingh-zd4vz]

@@nilanjangupta763😂😂😂 nice one bro 😆

[@rowon8249]

@SubBrief also do Visakhapatnam-class destroyer

[@BrandonMeyer1641]

Why is the majority of your ship briefs behind a paywall now?

[@Adi-bo5do]

The Brahmos is a massive limiter If we used a smaller ( and cheaper) missile we could easily increase the VLS count Rest of the ship seems okay

[@TheGreatMarathaArmy]

Numbers don't matter......Being Twice as Heavy than Tomahawk, BRAHMOS is 4 Times Faster and has 32 times kinetic energy than Tomahawk. Actually Brahmos doesn't need a warhead to destroy a warship because it's mach 3 speed and massive kinetic energy does the work(it does have 300kg warhead) New versions of Brahmos supersonic cruise missile has 800km to 900km Range, which is Bigger than TOMAHAWK naval anti ship varient. Greater speed, sea skimming capability,low Radar cross section, anti jamming, capability to perform evasive maneuver at final stage and 1 meter square accuracy......No one can match this. India has developed 500km Range Anti-ship cruise missile, along with 1500km range Land attack cruise missile, but they can't match Firepower of brahmos.

[@Leon1Aust]

@@TheGreatMarathaArmy Brahmos is radar guided high flying very fast missile that can be spoofed by ECM like NULKA. Brahmos search radar is very similar to the old Harpoon 2, with INS, Russian GPS in combo with high altitude and high speed is a very 1990s Soviet attack concept. The high flying Brahmos is non stealth fast missile that has to fly high to lock on to targets as it has limited network centric, capability thus can be locked onto by the defending ship far further than a stealth low flying networked missiles. Most modern smart anti ship missiles systems lately have gone the passive way with Stealth, Imaging Infrared, Electro optical, Artificial Intelligence, Networked Centric, Tercom for land attack, radar warning receivers, with the usual GPS and INS as this combination have a better chance to get through unseen with a last second pop up on the horizon. If one thinks speed works just look at the Iranian attacks on Israel recently with most tactical ballistic missiles being intercepted, I was shocked as how many missiles didn't make it through and were intercepted, times have changed since the Gulf war I & II, also ships do have extensive ECM counter measures well most of ours do, of which are very effective on radar guided missiles not so on stealth IR missiles. . BrahMos-NG is an upgrade but still a radar guided missile whilst BrahMos III is at least a decade away in development.

[@hiteshadhikari]

Who gives you this info? Because all you said is laughable ​@@Leon1Aust

[@Leon1Aust]

@@TheGreatMarathaArmy Brahmos is a radar guided anti ship missile that rely on kinetics not guile thus very vulnerable to SAM systems and ECM. Oh thanks who ever removed my comment on Brahmos missile....lets not get too technical shall we.👎 The above comment was responded to in kind very thoroughly and it was wiped! By the way your big Tomahawk Brahmos II has yet to be seen, please talk on what is fitted to this vessel not will be in a decade. Brahmos has been matched and exceeded by guile not kinetics.

[@corvanphoenix]

Bro, it's a frigate! 8 supersonic heavyweight ASM's is a massive punch!

[@bigsarge2085]

Always interesting!

[@SHaldar007]

Can anyone explain how much effective is that LANZA 3D Air radar .?

[@shikharashish7616]

Mfstar radar should be phased out and replaced with a better indigenious radar. Too much dependence on a single country for such a critical tech is not good.

[@timferguson593]

We don’t have any constellation frigates yet.

[@freedog632]

600km that's optimistic. Going for those subs in the Mantle, eh. Lol.

[@koffeekage]

We could buy these from them for less than a billion dollars a piece.

[@doomedwit1010]

Interesting.

[@abursh]

I'd love to learn about non-combat vessels

[@bgshin2879]

Great content!! Here are my 2 cents worth; 1. Brahmos is 50:50 JV with Russia. Some key components are still from Russia. Hence not clear how the production is going since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Also, some claim the range is beyond 500km but Indian military does not have target acquisition capabilities beyond 300km (including helicopters) at sea. If you cannot see, you cannot hit. Although Brahmos is fast, it still requires real time target guidance in flight. It is unclear how Indian Navy is to achieve this beyond 300km. 2. It lacks short range AAW namely ESSM like system. This peels off one layer of defence. 3. More concerning feature (or lack of it) is ASW sensor capabilities including no towed sonar array vis-a-vis most new frigates around the world have firm focus on ASW. As one said, if you cannot see, you cannot hit. 4. Many modern frigates and other war ships have IR, EODAS primarily for AAW but also for anti USV (unmanned surface vessels). These threats are real as seen in the Black Sea. 5. Finally, the AESA radars does not appear to have sufficient power available from the 4 engines (2 diesel and 2 gas turbines). Which means they would not be active simultaneously. It is unlikely to leave any gap but the new trend is to use more power efficient TR modules (GaN) and have simultaneous scan capabilities.

[@TheGreatMarathaArmy]

1)Brahmos is 80% made in India, only component imported from Russia is Ramjet engine, which also being made in India soon with Transfer of technology. India also has its own Hypersonic Ramjet engine used in HSTDV missile programme. Recently Brahmos ER Varient is tested by Indian Navy it has 900 KM RANGE. (working on 1500km varient) 2) There's a thing called over the horizon radar (OTH) which can detect warships at much longer ranges, these are mostly AESA radars same as Elta ELM 2248 MF STAR on Indian warships. BRAHMOS has inbuilt INS SYSTEM combined with SAT-NAV so it can guide itself towards its target, it also features AESA RADAR SEEKER for terminal guidance. India Also has Satellites, Ground based OTH radars, Sea Guardian Drones, P8i maritime Aircraft, AWACS, HELICOPTER AWACS. 3)India has developed VL-SRSAM which is smaller in size yet packs a punch with mach 4.5 speed and 80km range, AESA Radar seeker. Better than ESSM. Other systems in AAW category are 12.6 mm Stabilized Guns with IR sensor, SHAKTI EW suite, 2 units AK 630M CIWS GUNS combined with LINX U2 RADARS & Electro optical system (one of a kind). Also there Reserved space for installation of 32 more Air to Air missiles. 4)NO one can match ASW capability of NILGIRI CLASS FRIGATE. It has BEL HUMSA-NG bow mounted SONAR, BEL NAGIN TOWED ARRAY SONAR, MAAREECH ANTI TORPEDO DECOY SYSTEM. RBU6000 Rocket launchers with 9km Range. India also has SEA GUARDIAN DRONES, MH60R ROMEO ASW HELICOPTERS, 2nd largest Fleet of P8i ASW Aircraft......need more? We have a Flying Hypersonic Torpedo with Range of 650+km which is called "SMART". 5) India has developed 30KW LASER WEAPON (DEW) for its warships which is operational on INS JALASHWA Warship, another 100KW Laser system is operational called Durga2. 6) 4 Generators/Engines has enough power for all power requirements including operating AESA radars at full potential. Remember it's a frigate not a destroyer.

[@scottsauritch3216]

Good on you India for building a solid ship, however, I SO strongly disagree that it's a more capable FFG than the Constellation!?!! Brahmos is neat and great for India, but not all that impressive really especially when the 16 NSM's(not Harpoons...) of the first Constellations are likely to be replaced by Hypersonic or at least high super-sonic HALO missiles that I guarantee will be orders of magnitude more capable than Brahmos and having 1000km range. the SPY-6(3)EASR, I would choose a million times over MF-STAR as good as I know it is, as iv'e heard SPY-6 is essentially blowing people's minds with just how capable it actually is. I believe it... We haven't even started to get into the difference 32 Celsius for a US ship for India which just has Barack (which is VERY capable missile, but just 32 cells..), US has QUAD PACKED ESSM II's(which should take up at least 8 whole cells), as well as 2×SeaRAM for point defense alone, plus the SM mix...

[@AmanYadav-vq1wn]

India is upgrading it's brahmos into long range and increasing the speed. Right now they have tested 800km range brahmos from ships, and placed orders for new version of brahmos, And talking about numbers we are not any expeditionary force, we operate in our own area so no need of big vls numbers, their have been reports that brahmos was tested with the Western allies and if 2 launched at a warship even they couldn't intercept, so it's effectiveness compensates for the less vls.

[@pramodkb6635]

I'm an Indian and I had the exact same thoughts, our BrahMos and Barak-8 are exceptional weapons but we lack a good quantity of those on our vessels. Another thing to keep in mind is that our vessels are mainly to operate in the IOR so we don't have the requirement of heavily armed vessels too. Hence they can't be directly compared. You should look at our Vishakapatnam class of destroyers, they are essentially the same as these frigates but carry 8 more BrahMos, it's tonnage is almost same to Constellation class frigates too.

[@peekingowl4074]

India is also developing it's hypersonic missile that's the HSTDV programme which have already successfully test fired a hypersonic glide vehical for the missile ,also in the line there is the shaurya and bramhos 2 hypersonic and bromos ER(extended range) missile to replace the older bramhos