Indian Why Do You Have To Suck So Bad? - 2021 Indian Challenger Test Ride

[@ajohnson1066]

Sounds like a Harley rider attempting to convince themselves they made the right choice. Indians are great bikes, and their service dept. will take good care of you if you need it.

[@Track3r]

Except they are well over an hour away for the closest one. I own multiple different bikes. Harley, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki all have a better more established dealer network for repairs than Indian. It was a good bike aside from the quality control issues I have seen on multiple of them and the lack of an established dealer network.

[@wonderful_Himself7]

He’s a pure hater…& he knows it’s faster than his shake machine!

[@airtexaco]

I guess he’s comfortable with established 1930’s technology. How about that can chain? Out of tolerance? Simply change the tolerances…

[@rsanchez5676]

Let’s face it , Indian has surpassed Harley in reliability

[@matthewrobinson8125]

Get an indian for performance get a harley for your local circle jerk

[@drodNY]

dude, you don't get it. You're getting much more bike for the same price as a road glide. Better handling (inverted shocks, mono shock) better brakes, adjustable windscreen, significantly more HP/Torque, remote lockable saddlebags, better entertainment system, LED lighting all around, lower center of gravity for better handling, water cooled, rider modes, etc. This exhaustive list of standard options that you would need to spend on the harley is enough to warrant a swap. I went from years of riding harleys to this challenger after one test ride. never looked back!

[@harryhowell5644]

I 'll give indian credit for the suspension and clutch. The stereo on the challenger was not good and it had four speakers. Didn't care for the lack of gauges.The challenger I rode ran fine until you hit about 70 mph. Then it felt out of tune kind of poppy. The m8 has lots of easy aftermarket bolt on kits for power and tuning. Just looking around there ain't much for the challenger. Just sayin

[@HDR20]

I get it and all the features you named are great and all, if you use or need them but fit and finish, is huge to some people. Me personally have no use for adjustable windshield,more power(I would buy a street bike if I wanted to race),I would like to have remote bags,LED lightening,rider modes though.

[@shooter-vx7xy]

Yeah. "Why get the imitation when you can get the real thing?" What is the Challenger imitating? It's lightyear ahead of any Glide, tech-wise. And anyone saying Harley has better quality has never watched a tear down video on an M8. Oil jets leak from the factory and contribute to sumping.

[@skippynj1979]

@@shooter-vx7xy that was my motor I think your talking about... and that is my last M8 bike I'm buying.. i also got a Challenger.. I'm enjoying the Challenger quite a bit..

[@Track3r]

Adjustable windscreen is a meh just something with a motor to potentially break. I would argue the entertainment system with you all day. LED lighting maybe but that's a cheap upgrade. I will say water cooled is a big plus on the indian.

[@canuck81]

Came here for an Indian bike review, all I heard was road glide, road glide, road glide. Guy sounds like he's insecure about his road glide.

[@Track3r]

Make a sandwich similar to a Big Mac it’s gonna get compared to a big Mac

[@canuck81]

@@Track3r didn't come for comparison. Came for a review.

[@x6011]

Yes， Agree! I came here for the same reaosn cuz I tried both and really felt the Challenger is better, I own a 2018 HD Fatboy and going to upgrade to a touring bike. Only thing makes me on the fence is that I really want to get the feeling of the HD culture (the brand of HD sounds very cool too for most of people), can I still get that 'feeling' if I go for a Challenger? I saw few times that a few HD owners (strangers) are talking friendly but leave a non-HD rider aside, weird.

[@canuck81]

@@x6011 I don't. Really care about the "cool" factor. If I like it I ride it!

[@morris484]

You buy a Harley if you want to work on your bike. You buy an Indian to ride and leave Harley’s in the dust.

[@Consciousrider]

Next video please try not to sound like a HD lover who’s convincing himself to not like what he’s driving lol, leave the bias in the garage bro.

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

It did not sound that way to me but your comment sounded like some butthurt is going on because he had valid points against the fit and finish of indian. there is no excuse whatsoever for a new bike to have parts loose like that. Poor QA and poor finishes for the amount of money you spend on a bike like that.

[@Consciousrider]

@@NeverDoubtMe23 that’s a bike that’s been test drove and probably dogged out lol. Not one valid point was made, maybe over opinionated at its best.

[@monkeespit]

@@NeverDoubtMe23 First off, it’s a demo bike, those things get trashed. Also, I’ve literally caught people trying to steal parts off of demo bikes before. Second, have you ever been to any of H-D’s demo trucks? Half of those bikes have spongey brakes, broken latches/cubby doors, and check engine lights with only a few hundred miles on them.

[@bobmclemore]

I remember when Harley came out with a fixed Fairing and everybody called it a freaking Honda or Suzuki and all the Harley Riders were saying they would never ride a freaking "rice" fix fairing bike, and now it's Harley's number one selling bike, Harley copy Suzuki and Honda when they came out with the Road Glide, this guy acts like Harley invented the fixed fairing. I actually believed BMW had a fixed fairing before the Japanese brand did.

[@shawnharper3440]

I would rather fix the loose cluster than change out the oil pump, fix the transfer issue with the transmission, put pistons and cylinders that seal up. Oh and the hardening flaking off the cam and lifters, multiple oil leaks that they did fix under warranty. Have fun on that roadglide.

[@gregleblanc9357]

That trim has two snaps at the bottom. They apparently just aren't snapped down. Your garage door opener goes in behind that trip and someone probably unsnapped it to see where it goes and didn't snap it back.

[@jayreezy6733]

Yea, ur right...that guy is just an avid Harley rider, that's being a real dick about the Indian, the Challenger is literally the best bagger I've ever ridden, and it's blowing the road glide out of the water! Period

[@Track3r]

Actually I ride and own multiple brands of bikes was just unimpressed with it after the QC issues I’ve seen on multiple of them :)

[@jayreezy6733]

@@Track3r so you swing a low grade on a great bike because of a piece of loose trim on a demo? Cmon man! Thats really reaching...the Challenger is a kick ass bike...its more powerful than the RG, and offers a much better ride...most HD owners just can't get past that...i own a street glide myself, but I also own a Challenger..and I know a good bike when I ride one! Immitation??? Is that what it was called??? Imitation where? I see no place at all on this bike where they attempted to imitate HD by any means! If anything they surpassed them...HD may be the top motorcycle manufacturer right now...but this particular bike is blowing one of they best sellers out the water...and u can believe that!

[@skippynj1979]

I have plenty of Harleys and 3 Indians now in my garage.. i will says this.. when i tear down the polaris bikes.. most all parts are stamped made in the USA.. i can not say that about harley.. Also my 2020 FLHTP has been a QC nightmare! My one M8 with aftermarket cams and matched pipe and throttle body gives me about the same power as my stock Challenger.. i have no desire to alter my challenger as this will be my high mileage bike and keep it under warrenty for as long as possible. Once you get over supporting the the MOCO and can honestly evaluate any brand of motorcycle your love of harley quickly fades... why do we need the aftermarket to make a harley better? Shouldn't it be great off the showroom floor?

[@Track3r]

To be clear I own Harley, Kawasaki, Honda, and Yamaha bikes. I tend to never leave things along and add some touches. The bigger reason I bought my road glide vs say a Kawasaki when I got a new bike is the dealer network because inevitably there could be issues with any bike and I wanted to have a dealership close if that happened. As I said in the video and many times in the comments the bike ride good and had plenty of power but given the quality issues I have seen on multiple ones and the fact that my closest dealership is over an hour and half away it’s not for me.

[@skippynj1979]

@@Track3r that's fair. I have 3 dealers 20 to 60 minutes away. So far I've had no reason to go to the dealer on any of bikes. I work on my own bikes and polaris is very easy to order parts online and most parts are readily available. Infact most parts are common between other polaris brands. Polaris has gone out of their way to make the bikes very easy to owner maintain... like stupid easy.. Working on the bikes is much different than harley. Can't explain it, but things just fit together easier.... there is allot of use of plastics and other modern materials in the Indian underneath the magic. I've been very happy with my challenger and FTR has been a hoot. My electraglide is getting a new engine built due to a sumping issue. I will say Harley had a much better ECM and throttle by wire in their stock forms.. that is my only complaint with my FTR and challenger.. both use a similar ECU. It is the only thing I've needed to change so far.

[@DJGENOTYPE]

For the amount of money you pay, you get a lot more than what any HD can offer you. There is nothing about a Challenger that resembles any HD. Better engine, suspension, reliability, electric windshield, different ride modes, etc.

[@Track3r]

Can Indian offer me the aftermarket support? Or an established dealer network? I can admit there were some plus sides to the challenger but the negatives far outweigh them in my opinion.

[@DJGENOTYPE]

@@Track3r that’s the beauty of Indian, you don’t have to worry about a dealer network. I mean seriously, do you think of a dealer network when you purchase your car? I’ve ridden metric bikes since 2004 and never had an issue with service or constantly breaking down. You can spend money all you want on aftermarket parts just to make a slow bike less slow.

[@Track3r]

I absolutely think about the dealer network when I buy a car that’s why I don’t own a car with out a dealer nearby. I also own a Yamaha, Kawasaki and a recent purchase of a Honda all having a dealership within 30min of me.

[@DJGENOTYPE]

@@Track3r I can understand having a service center near you. But when I get on the road, breaking down is the last thing I think about.

[@shooter-vx7xy]

@@Track3r Harley is about to shut 200 more dealerships down. Adam Sandoval did a video on it and tried to sugar coat it like it's a good thing.

[@johnmatero234]

I have a 2021 Road Glide and I laughed at the comments throughout. Having just come back from riding a 21 Challenger, It blows my FLTRX away. The fairing design alone is fantastic… the gauges are in line of sight and the nav screen is within reach. The suspension and motor are superior. The handling in corners is better. You get remote locking Saddlebags that you need to spend $45k on a CVO to get at HD. And the adjustable windscreen is amazing. Indian didn’t copy the Road Glide, they improved it in every way. Out of the box, I already had to spend over $2500 to make the RG suspension acceptable so I’m not thrown from the saddle when I hit a bump that I barely felt on my 2019 softail. The only advantage to HD is paint and finishes and there’s not a doubt in my mind that in a couple years, Challenger riders will be poking fun at next-gen RG OWNERS SAYING “C’MON, IF YOU WANTED A CHALLENGER, GET THE REAL THING!” Love HD but knew you were a jaded fanboy when you spent the beginning of the video trashing it for not having a heel shifter. You have to buy a CVO to get a heel shifter on a Harley these days.

[@Track3r]

Or I just knew that if I made a video in this tone it would significantly boost my engagement metrics on KZbin because I would have both sides of the debate commenting their own opinions 😊

[@mindspinn311]

I would only buy this over the Road Glide for the huge performance upgrade, great handling, significantly better braking, and water cooled engine, not to mention less maintenance. I’m not in love with the looks or the fit and finish compared to the Harley-Davidson. It just depends on what your priorities are. I test rode a Challenger and I was impressed. I wish HD would make a true modern performance bagger to beat the Challenger. I’d buy that for sure.

[@bignuggs5623]

I own a road glide and I can tell you the challenger is better in every way. Speed,features,suspension,traction control, lean assist, better brakes, You have to put $20k into a Harley just to make it ride good, be fast, be reliable

[@Track3r]

If we are going to go into the traction control and lean assist. Thats very much a perception thing. I recall when riding this bike I was in a corner trying to pick up speed and the bike cut power. In that situation I did not want power cut. As I have said before. The Challenger could be a good bike with some more refinements on the fit and finish. But that combined with the lack of ability for me to get parts near where I live is my reasons why I wouldn't buy one.

[@patrickfrancis5509]

It just sounds like you were forced to test ride the bike. If you do not like Indian why even test it?

[@Track3r]

Watch my other video on the ftr. I rode it first and it was a fantastic bike. I rode the challenger knowing the other bikes I have seen that had quality issues and even gave the bike lots of positive points up until the gauge bezel was falling off.

[@onlyhereonce7290]

Buying an Indian is not a mistake. I absolutely love my 2021 IC DH. And I have a dealer close to me. Again, the pain and finish quality is not Harley quality. And most likely never will be. Which is fine. I want refinement everywhere else. Which the Indian motorcycles have. In spades.

[@Track3r]

If I had a dealership closer to me I would probably be more open to buying one.

[@chonasimpson6487]

Why buy a road slide when you can own a superior bike like the Indian.

[@mrdude3540]

These type of videos make Harley riders look very bad. This guy put a nail in his own coffin insecurity insecurity insecurity that’s all I heard in this video.

[@jefferyturner4675]

Challenger beat the pants off the Road Glide in the King of the Baggers after coming from behind.... I put 5,000 miles on my Indian in one month and have had no problems. ZERO!! I tested a Road Glide and Road King before buying my Indian. Both bikes come up well short. Indian is simply a better bike than HD.

[@Track3r]

KOTB is not a fair way to compare bikes. I have put 6k on my rg and had zero issues also but it all comes down to luck of the draw. In my case I have a Harley dealer down the road so if I did have a problem I could get to them quickly vs the Indian dealer over an hour away.

[@supakamario]

Liquid cooling cools motor better so it can create more power not to make it cool at lights. Trust it still gets hot

[@shotgunscott]

Why buy the Harley? You buy the Indian because of the motor, suspension, and frame. Harley's are still using technology from 1960 era VW Bugs.

[@milsonbn9250]

I have a 2020 challenger limited, and after 14,500 miles in 18 months I’ll take the Challenger over the Road glide. I don’t think it’s clone, HD doesn’t make a water cooled dual overhead cam 130 Lbs of torque engine, so I guess there’s that. Ride what you want and what you like. Obviously, you like spoon and fork, chain drive technology. I like reliable gear driven go-fast technology. I tell you what, HD can paint a scooter and put CB in one, but drive train, little lacking out of the box.

[@michaelbailey4455]

The handlebars are polished stainless, so there was no chrome pealing off. There is also no way for the Indian logo to fall off the trunk unless the owner put it together himself and didn't align the snaps. In which case the locking mechanism wouldn't even go into place.

[@Track3r]

It was a rental bike from the Indian dealership in Nashville Tennessee. So these things were definitely happening.

[@monkeespit]

A road glide will pull like a challenger… after $8k in motor and tuning upgrades lol. A road glide can match the stereo output of the challenger… after upgrades. A road glide’s safeties will match the challenger… after adding the RDRS package. Full LED lighting, after upgrades. A road glide has an adjustable windshield and remote locking saddlebags…. Never. Yeah, you’re getting more than a road glide for 28k buddy. Also, demo bikes get trashed. Edit: I HAVE to add that the suspension on H-D’s touring bikes is GARBAGE for what you pay. Damn thing’s rear suspension has got to be the worst of any touring bike. Bottoms out over the smallest bumps, and my wife said that the Indian’s suspension felt like riding on pillows compared to the street glide we put over 1k miles on.

[@eb1941]

Thanks for posting. Indian is hurtng HD and much of the pain is self inflicted. I have two TC88 HDs that both have the cam chain tensioner design screw-up from HD. I bought the bikes new and HD very much knew they were selling me a defective design. HD left their customers out in the cold and did not stand by their product. The M8 was launch with much fanfare and a lot of problems. As with the TC88, the M8 was launch and fixed while customers found problems. I am looking at the Challenger, the Roadmaster, and thirdly a Goldwing (never thought I would go there) for my next bike. I am a 30-year experienced mechanical engineer and I view at the Challenger being well advanced over HD. A modern engine compared to M8. A agree that fit and finish is top quality on HD over all brands, but HD's motor is old technology and does not perform out of the gate. Having to use a paper template to drill holes in your engine to prevent cross talk from the primary to transmission is not my idea of a quality product, or oil sumping, brake failure, etc on a $28K bike does not build confidence in new HDs. I expect better from HD, but not sure if Indian will deliver. The guys I meet on the road with Indians seem very pleased with the brand, and for the most part are former HD customers.

[@Track3r]

I agree on the tc88 and m8 issues and Harley leaving their customers out in the cold more than once. They are far from a perfect brand. I think if I was to be considering between the 3 you listed I would go with the gold wing. But I can agree Harley has had issues and is outdated. I have no idea about the longevity of the Indians I just know the ones I have seen with low miles have quality issues. Thanks for the input.

[@HDR20]

@@Track3r Every Indian I have seen, rode or talked to owners it has been a poor fit and finish issue. Harley has had some issues but the aftermarket and parts for the fixes are a heck of a lot more available than Indian or metric bikes. Every manufacture is going to have issues. I really like the Indian looks and features but cant get past the fit and finish

[@Track3r]

Well said and my point exactly.

[@738drvr]

Having owned many different bikes and a few bagger Harleys(still own a FLHX) there simply is no comparison. The Challenger is a better handling, quicker, faster, performing motorcycle. If you simply do a stage 1 with a tune and exhaust it takes a big inch built Harley to run the same. If you do a Lloyd’s tune or Dyno jet tune with stage 2 cams you’re looking at hp/trq numbers in the low to mid 130’s. How much do you have to spend on a Harley M8 to make those kind of numbers? The Challenger is simply better and more powerful. The fairing is fantastic and bike is very comfortable. Great for two up riding and very maneuverable at slow speeds. Rock solid through fast sweepers two up. Great fuel mileage(40-50mpg). Indian has taken market share from Harley and this bike has helped do that. Whatever issues you have your local dealer should be able to resolve quickly. My only complaint is you must keep this bike on a battery tender. Like most modern bikes with all their electronics the batteries work very hard in these bikes. They have a number of diodes that can “leak” electricity. My bike will go dead if not on a battery tender after 3 weeks. Not good. A lithium battery is probably the solution and I plan to try one next.

[@Ridingfish]

Is it faster than your RG??!?!?!?!? Hahaha.

[@Track3r]

It runs cooler thanks to the water cooling I can confirm that lol

[@Ridingfish]

@@Track3r fair...

[@Ridingfish]

@@Track3r, it's too bad you didn't get to ride it like the FTR!! Hahaha Put that Challenger in sport and take TC off its another bike also!!

[@Track3r]

The scout was a lot of fun for a small bike to. I would take it any day over say a sportster.

[@Ridingfish]

@@Track3r it's a damn rocket.. alittle slow out the gate then full send by 5k rpms

[@MatlockMoto]

🤣🤣🤣 The Challenger isn’t a copy of a Road Glide, it’s a drastic improvement on it. Finalizing my trade this week. It only took 30-60 seconds to know without question that the challenger is faster, more agile, and more comfortable than the Road Glide. Way better looking from the front too. The only reason I’d take the Road Glide over the Challenger is if I prioritized aesthetics while sitting still in a parking lot over every other measurable characteristic. Goddamn my Harley is beautiful though…. I’ll miss that. But my trip to Dallas and back last weekend (just under a thousand miles each way) once again reminded me that even with the best aftermarket suspension money can buy, the Harley touring machines simply can’t complete with the monoshock aluminum frames Indian is using (I DID give Harley time to do what we all know they’re going to and make the softail frame bigger for touring purposes, but they didn’t even announce that they’re doing that yet, so superior product has to win out over brand loyalty). If you’re not sure which one is faster, just check out all the videos on KZbin of stock or barely modified Challengers smoking state 4 Road Glides. 🤣

[@briandorsey3608]

Just test rode a 2021 Indian Challenger at a Demo in Milwaukee, WI. The bike had about 3,000 miles on it. Yes, Demo bikes do take some abuse, but the bike just looked rode hard! The cover for the usb on the right side of the fairing was missing, the windscreen would not work. The guy running the demo said it was working yesterday and all the sudden quit working. At 3,000 miles?????? Walking up to my Harley always puts a smile on my face. But walking up to it after the demo ride made me smile even bigger knowing I made the right choice. My Harley has been modified with an upgraded oil pump/cam chest because of the issues with the M8. But the appearance of my Harley when it was stock blows the Indian out of the water. The Indian just looks and feels like cheap plastic. I have always felt if you don't take a few looks back at your bike when walking away, you chose the wrong bike. I will give Indian props for making a smooth riding bike. Heavy until you get going then it feels light as a feather. Very nimble and lots of power. If Indian used some better materials to build their bikes, I might consider it.

[@Track3r]

My thoughts exactly

[@jonS-42]

It’s hard for me to imagine spending 20-30k on a bike where I’d have to avoid places because of possible traffic. That’s my biggest gripe with air cooled engines

[@Track3r]

I will admit a water cooled engine is better in heavy traffic but generally I don’t have to many problems. If I was going to buy a water cooled bike it probably would be something from Kawasaki or Honda before Indian.

[@PeterRides247]

The Milwaukee 8's have oil coolers do they not? Sitting in traffic is hot no matter what. The challenger is a nice bike if you dont want to change anything. Half the fun of building a "performance bagger" is the process of building it.

[@stavrosescobar1624]

I absolutely love Harleys, gorgeous bikes, I own a softail. I test road both the RG and the Challenger, had to go with the Challenger. Fit and finish was inferior to the RG but the performance, handling and overall ride won me over, not to mention the bells & whistles that come standard.

[@rickfrayne2908]

Sound system is far better, much better suspension, more power and better handling

[@Track3r]

The sound system was one thing I did not get the chance to test but I replaced all that on my road glide, suspension wise I didn’t find it to be much better or worse. It did have good power but the quality control issues and a lack of dealer network are killers for me personally.

[@semperfipar1299]

LOL! The only thing that is a copy is the fixed fairing concept and that is about it. Like you said demo bikes are abused. It was probably broken by a customer. Indian and Harley have been copying each other since the beginning. Harley styling is different and putting the two bikes next to each other will not cause any confusion as to what brand they are. Indians are all American Made so that is why the price is where it is. They do charge too much for paint color but I think Harley may be doing the same thing. Fit and finish on the Harley? I own one and it had corrosion issues but I fixed it with some burnishing. The front brake manifold corrodes and there is nothing that will stop it.

[@Track3r]

Honestly it was a nice bike to ride but at the end of the day I have seen more quality control issues on the Indian than I see on Harley’s. But at the end of the day it does come down to personal preference and the experience an individual has. Being totally honest the main reason I bought a Harley was the dealer network and the ability to get it fixed at a dealership close to me where Indian is over an hour away. I do wish my Harley was water cooled tho lol

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

Since the beginning and ended in 1953. When Indian went out of business. Now its just Indian copying harley. And we all know it.

[@semperfipar1299]

No, only the V-twin look and that is about it. The rest of the bike is modern engine performance and everyone knows it. The FTR is nothing like a Harley which is why Harley is putting out the revolution Max motor.

[@Track3r]

I will say (and have a video) the FTR is a totally different bike and a ton of fun to ride.

[@earlisking]

News flash, Harley didn’t invent fixed fairings. See BMW, Honda and Kawasaki.

[@B.D.TRX4]

Copy.of a road glide ? Why because it has a rigid mounted fairing which there's many other manufacturers with that... As far as appearance.. I think the road glide looks a lot better. !! But with that being said I don't consider this a copycat at all It looks nothing like the road glide... Just because it has two speakers up front, which where the hell do you expect to put them? I mean there's only so much space to put these things like storage compartments.... The engines completely different in every possible way... But yet ...indian is trying to copy the road glide... Lol lol I guess nobody better ever make a rigid modern fairing bike again. Or they'll be quoted as copying the road glide.. The issue with things coming loose. It's a demo It doesn't matter how many miles is on it. It's the same reason why I wouldn't buy a rental car. People beat the hell out of them... I've been in a rental car with a friend of mine where he neutral drop the transmission. He would never do that in his own car..

[@7ludig]

I have both HD & Indian. Love them both for many different reasons. They both have pros & cons. If anybody want to hear them, just let me know!

[@Track3r]

Throw them out there! I can say the water cooled motor is a definite pro on the Indian.

[@evil_musclemuscled3814]

I never seen any of them bikes up close . Polaris built bikes are different than the original indian .I'll stay with Harley

[@Track3r]

Better but still not great. Thanks for the input. Got a few more Indian test rides and some Kawasaki ones coming too!

[@jayreezy6733]

If you've never even seen an Indian challenger up close, or much less rode one. .how can u even comment at all??? Have u ever heard the term dont knock it till you've tried it? Why don't u actually test ride one before just writing them off by looking from a distance...I guarantee you'll think differently about them!

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

tHe dAsH Is LoOsE... has it installed wrong. It's simply not snapped into place correctly. Been hearing this about the saddlebag lids too. People just aren't closing them all the way. These challengers are superior to the comparable Road glide.

[@Track3r]

Since recording this video I have seen multiple other Indian challenger bikes (even ones at dealerships) with so many fit and finish issues. Don't get me wrong it COULD be a great bike if Indian would just get the quality control up a little bit

[@jordan813504]

For someone who rides motorcycles, he sure doesn't know anything about them. Didn't talk about any of the new features that the Harley doesn't have. Inverted forks, liquid-cooled, more horsepower, more torque. The liquid cooling alone makes it worth more than an HD. L review. Next time you do a review you should keep the bias out of it.

[@Track3r]

Where does it say review? This was a simple test ride and first impressions. I didn’t study the features before riding the bike nor research it. This was done at a daytona bike week event on the fly.

[@gokaicontracting9889]

I am neither a Harley or Indian fun, but the track3 of sounds like a Cadillac owner complains about a BMW or Mercedes cruise control or wiper, or gearshift not same as Cadillac. Suspension, engine, frame geometry, these crucial things need to be discussed. Being a Harley guy is cool, not necessary a subjected review on other machine.used to them.

[@williamtaylor4102]

Stage 4 Harley big bore kit on Roadglide can barely handle the base model Indian Challenger. If you have 5 Or 10k extra to spend on your bike then buying the Harley makes sense.

[@Track3r]

Why is top speed your crutch?

[@skee357]

Best bagger right now, hands down. Trust me Harley Davidson need all those dealership s for the harleys that on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck. SMH every event I go too..

[@Track3r]

I have not seen many harleys on the side of the road. I have thousands upon thousands of miles on my current road glide with zero problems. Can you please tell me where your statistics are from?

[@jeffwalker1956]

All I can say is I sold my HD and bought an Indian. It's a much better bike right out of the box. Never thought I'd sell my HD, but Indian was calling my name!

[@onlyhereonce7290]

What Indian model did you buy ?

[@jeffwalker1956]

@@onlyhereonce7290 I went from a Heritage Softail to a Scout Bobber.

[@onlyhereonce7290]

@@jeffwalker1956 I have a 2021 Chieftain Dark Horse. And it's bliss. I can from an older HD Fatboy.

[@jeffwalker1956]

@@onlyhereonce7290 nice! if I were to upgrade from from the bobber I would go with the Chieftain or Challenger. No more HD for me.

[@Track3r]

Check my latest video where I rode a scout!

[@motojl]

The gold standard is the Honda Goldwing. It will outperform and outlast the HD and Indian. I an just not there yet :)

[@Track3r]

Honda’s are great bikes, I have a crf250l but the one aspect Honda can’t touch is the dealer network and parts availability

[@shoomapadoo1141]

I agree. One little screw up messes up a whole lot of attaboys

[@Track3r]

Definitely

[@touchthebacon5447]

Never seen a road glide for 28k all the ones near me started at 33k.

[@totobill22]

Il ne faut pas généraliser ! J'ai un Challenger depuis quelques mois, et je n'ai aucun reproche de ce genre à lui faire. Le seul reproche que j'ai à faire concerne le GPS du ride command ; c'est inadmissible pour une moto de ce prix d'avoir un GPS d'une aussi mauvaise qualité ! Et à première vue, ce problème est réel sur les Indian ! Sinon, tout le reste est parfait ! Confort, moteur, sécurité, freinage, consommation, bruit, allure etc ... Ils vous ont laissé une moto de test dans un état inadmissible à mon avis et ça ne joue pas en leur faveur sur ce coup là, c'est certain ! Mais il faut se garder d'en faire une généralité ! Je connais deux personnes qui étaient Harley depuis plus de 30 ans et qui ont acheté une Indian Chieftain et un Challenger sans le regretter par la suite. L'essentiel est de se faire plaisir à moto et non pas de rouler sur telle ou telle marque. Mais pour finir, je suis d'accord sur le fait que le concessionnaire Indian qui vous a fourni cette moto de test n'est pas vraiment professionnel ! Bonne route, en Harley ou autre ...

[@Track3r]

J'ai utilisé google translate pour taper ceci. J'aurais tendance à dire que le GPS sur harley n'est pas génial non plus mais il est meilleur que certains que j'ai vus. Je suis fan de deux roues, quelle que soit la marque que je possède ou ai possédé Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha et Harley et ils ont tous des avantages et des inconvénients. Gardez le côté sale et merci pour le commentaire!

[@RILLAMAN84]

I’m new to the motorcycle world so I can’t speak on anything besides what I’ve experience. But that’s my dream bike hands down. I personally loved everything about that bike when I test drove it a couple weeks ago. I’ve never been on a Harley, so I have nothing bad to say about them. Just looking at them, they look freakin dope. I see them everywhere, that’s the only reason why I wouldn’t want a Harley. My first bike was a Kawasaki cruiser 16cc. That’s what I learned how to ride on. 10 years later, I’ve decided to get my license. Found out I knew nothing about the rule what do ever. I just knew how to ride🤷🏽‍♂️😂. I figured new State, why not. Then I test drove a Indian Challenger and fell in love with it. For now, I’m team Indian, until something changes😂🤟🏽.

[@Track3r]

Check out some other bikes, Honda and Kawasaki stand out a lot for a new rider that doesnt want to spend top dollar starting off. But IMHO any motorcycle is better than none! Also starting off if your new to riding and dont plan to do longer trips look at smaller bikes like the Indian Scout or Harley Softtail or Kawasaki Vulcans are good choices also.

[@RILLAMAN84]

@@Track3r Yeah I used to have a Kawasaki cruiser 1600cc. Miss that bike. I was definitely thinking about the Honda Rebel 1100, or an Indian chief🤔

[@solusquinto]

The only two arguments that really count are Dealership and value retention. Quality is not ... my cousins HD has seen the dealer more often then open road. Overall it's always good for the customer that there is competition and I think it would have been much worse if Indian Motorcycles had died. There is still a lot of work to do if they really want to attack HD and we'll see how they grow their market or not. As someone who is not related to HD or Indian Motorcycles and as someone who is only looking for what I pay for, I would prefer Indian Motorcycles (regarding design as well). But when I look at it as an Investment, I would buy HD. It looses much less of its value when I'd try to sell it in a few years and yeah ... location of the dealer would be the next thing to consider.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

Here's something everyone needs to get into their head about this bike and indian's claims: It's 122hp at the crank. NOT at the wheel. In reality the bike is getting 103~105HP at the rear wheel. Remember guys Crank numbers don't mean a damn thing, it's at the wheels where it matters. If you arent quoting a rear wheel torque and hp number, you might as well be quoting fiction. And yeah the turn signals thing. Everyone else in the industry needs to pull their head out of their butt, and do the harley turn signal setup with self canceling. Just because HD does it everyone else, doesn't mean they're wrong. Get with the program. HD did something everyone should be doing.

[@jayreezy6733]

Those rear wheel hp numbers are still better than H/Ds, which only give u 70-80 hp at the rear wheel... and who really cares abt the self canceling blinkers? That's a garbage comment to try to sell a one up on HD, the Challenger is simply a better built, and better engineerd bike...period.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

@@jayreezy6733 Does not matter, quoting the crank numbers is dishonest. The M8 107 makes 81hp at the rear wheel, the mu8 114 makes 86hp at the rear wheel. And yes self canceling blinkers are a nice feature. It is something a lot of harley folks take for granted until its not there. Its somethign EVERYONE should be doing.

[@jayreezy6733]

@@FranBunnyFFXII i guarantee you, self cancelling blinkers aren't gona make or break the sale of a Challenger. The hp, and the ride alone...make the Challenger a better bike...period! U can make up all these ridiculous issues to downgrade a better motorcycle, but...its to no avail...the Challenger beats the Road Glide man...just have to come to grips with the reality of it!

[@Track3r]

Everyone has an opinion on what’s better and what’s important :)

[@davidbeard8803]

May want to have a closer look, they're self cancelling.

[@mindspinn311]

Also keep in mind the Challenger starts at $23k you don’t need to buy the Dark Horse or Limited. You only lose trim and the IMU traction control system. It should start at $18k and sacrifice the infotainment or something. Every Indian I look at ends up being more expensive than the equivalent HD which is truly surprising.

[@NeverDoubtMe23]

Yeah, I never understood the "Well 1ndaian is cheaperssers!!!" crowd....it is not when you load it up with the same options you get on a Harley.

[@snakebite6511]

As a Harley guy, i do like the Challenger, but not how it feels, Kinda feels cheap like a Toyota yet they want the same money as a Harley I have taken the Challenger out and it had the same issue with the dash, a buddy has one also and he is having issues with the dash and the windscreen motor and rattles. Fit & Finish is very cheap and feels plastic. I like the liquid cooled engine and will be buying one but going to wait for Harley to add a larger version of the Revolution Max to the Street Glide. I have a 2021 Street Glide, 2014 Wide Glide & 2009 Rocker C, so i am in no hurry to get another. I cant justify paying the same price for an Indian when dealer network is far smaller, limited performance upgrades, almost nothing for personalization and fit & finish is questionable. No thanks, i will wait for a Harley I have a feeling the 2023 Harley Street Glide CVO will get the larger Revolution Max 1st but thats ok, i could use a CVO in my garage

[@Track3r]

All the challengers I have seen are the same with multiple fit and finish problems. Makes me laugh all the comments I get on this video of people saying im biased but I have another video of me riding the FTR and the Scout and both of them were great bikes from what I could tell in my short time riding.

[@tpharo34]

Think your undercover those Challengers punk the glide😂

[@ricky3277]

If Indians been around so long and such a great bike why is 90% of motorcycles on the road a Harley?

[@marvinthomas8165]

Yeah he's a brand rider the challenger has way more options and water cool makes it stand out above Harley and I don't own neither ford chevey gmc they all make trucks but the options is what I go for I've never been stuck to a brand name I have audi mercedes Honda and Ford in my yard.

[@Track3r]

Another person who did not actually watch the video all the way to see the points I made. Additionally I’m currently looking at an Indian for my garage but it will definitely not be in their touring line due to the issues I mentioned in the video.

[@luapmckeever721]

"there touring bikes"? It's THEIR, not THERE. Grammar, it's that important.

[@jayreezy6733]

Who cares? Are u the freakin English teacher??? Get this guy tf outta here!!! Here...correct this! 🖕

[@Track3r]

^lol

[@angelpadilla2376]

Like I said before ladies & gentlemen riders or not , we need to learn from other cultures. Japanese motorcycles look a lot the same in all aspects & features. The Challenger is the Cadillac & Rolls Royce of Bikes. Besides it's way faster, lighter & easier to handle. In addition competition keeps Harley on check...

[@konrad1101]

Yeah why spend money on a better bike when you can get a worse Harley for The same amount of money. Great logic

[@Track3r]

Everyone has an opinion on what is better :)

[@konrad1101]

@@Track3r it's literally not an opinion it's fact. The Indian out performs the Harley. Braking suspension and power

[@chiefjoseph8154]

Your biggest problem is what do you do with all that Harley clothing? Everyone knows Harley is an apparel company that happens to sell motorcycles. All kidding aside, I was tired of over heating problems. Traded my HD for a Challenger limited.

[@x6011]

Really enjoy the comments here (made me laughing hard) and learnt a lot from them, that makes me toward to Challenger eventually. I especially appreciate Track3r's attitude, even when he was mocked (" just busting him nut a little", quoted), he still insisted on his own 'opinons' and discussed peacefully. Like you man !

[@Track3r]

Why get mad I have an opinion and don’t plan to change it, I have enjoyed watching how upset some people get over a video 😊 I’ll be uploading again soon so stay tuned 😉

[@KC-sj6oi]

You had your review written before starting the test drive. Why did you bother?

[@Track3r]

You had a negative comment written before you watched the video. Why did you bother? I didn’t have a review written I had an opinion formed from the numerous other bikes I have seen from Indian with issues and knowledge of the brand prior to riding.

[@KC-sj6oi]

Track3r ...irregardless of what kind of ride you had on the Challenger, you were going to find just enough to say Harley is superior! I was in the market to buy a Road Glide right up until Indian produced a superior riding experience. My right mirror was a little lose and required tightening. I didn't bring it back to the dealer and buy a Harley! I do have an issue with the throttle response on the Challenger however, I also have a different throttle complaint for the Road Glide! The Road Glide won't come close to a Challenger performance until you have a stage Three installed! Remember "1901" who is copying who? Did Harley invent the fixed fairing? Harley copied a Japanese bike when they created the Road Glide...right? I am not a 1%er fan boy therefore, I'm not conditioned to bow to Harley Davidson. I used to embrace the Harley Brand until Indian came back and Harley became scared and offensive! Face it...the only thing Harley has going for it over any other Brand is its blindly loyal cult members.

[@Track3r]

Eh I wouldn’t say I’m blindly loyal, and no Japanese bikes have had fixed fairings far longer but generally speaking the Indian touring bikes have way more fit and finish issues than any other bike I have personally experienced. If you go look at my video catalog I also rode a ftr (fantastic bike) and a scout (really nice also) I just think that the touring bikes are steaming piles of garbage until they get the fit and finish issues sorted. Also sitting in my stable right next to my road glide is a Kawasaki Vulcan and a Honda crf 250l. I am by far not brand loyal

[@KC-sj6oi]

Track3r ...perhaps a little bit of reflection on how the Challenger out performs the Road Glide in all aspects. Besides maybe, the limited turning radius of the Indian because of its longer wheel base in slow speed manoeuvres. Challenger wins with a savings of about $10k...the amount that would bring a Road Glide into the same range that a Challenger performs in. I do admit that I prefer the RG fairing and paint however, that's why the matt black, blacked out finish of the Dark Horse is the answer. So cool...My slightly weighed fondness for the HD's looks could also be the conditioning I've had for Harley over the years. I still love the Road Glide however, I'm grounded enough to honestly say that there is NO comparisons considering performance. I like to catch my reflection looking awesome/cool on my ride but, that only happens for a second, maybe two if your lucky. When you crank the throttle on the Challenger...it pulls forever, leans like a Ducati and turns heads like Batman has just entered the race. I prefer to own a Challenger for now.

[@Track3r]

Everyone has their opinions. If I cared how fast my bike was I would go buy a fast bike everyone is stuck on how the Indians out perform but I didn’t buy a race bike 😊 If Indian fixes the q/c issues and builds a stronger dealer network I would definitely jump ship. My least favorite thing about my road glide is the fact that it’s air cooled. But I could also go get a golf wing but the same lack of a strong dealer service network pushed me to Harley.

[@ironroad5549]

Not a big deal run the bike in sport mode and see what happens make sure your helment is strapped good .cause it will come off.

[@benjaminhurst8207]

I was very close to buying the higher hp scout, precovid/communism there was a fully loaded one on clearance for like 13k. I ended up spending over 8 for a 9 year old dyna with much less power. Love my bike but if I had to buy a bagger brand new I don’t know what I’d get tbh.

[@harryhowell5644]

I just test rode the challenger. I was expecting it to be faster after all the hubbub over it. It did ride nice, loved the clutch feel. I guess I just had higher expectations.I ride an ultra limited with a stage 2 cam. My bike felt alot better performance wise. The stereo on the challenger was not good.I guess most bikes are pretty restrained from the factory. I also rode the new roadmaster limited. I really liked how it felt but it had a lot of shake on the infotainment screen. Suspension felt good on both, could not believe how light the roadmaster felt compared to the ultra.both bikes ran crappy after about 65 mph. Who knows with a good tune air breather and exhaust, they would run pretty strong. As a side note I had to do all those things to my ultra limited

[@Track3r]

Yeah I would bet a good tune would wake it up but the aftermarket support is no where even close to what is offered for a Harley.

[@harryhowell5644]

@@Track3r I noticed that too. When I searched for aftermarket for the challenger I couldn't find much except exhaust . freedom and tab performance. Only tuner I saw was power commander.And boy the indian parts are expensive!!

[@Track3r]

Yeah, definitely more options on the H-D side. I think the road glide looks better personally also

[@harryhowell5644]

@@Track3r tell you what I really liked how smoothly that challenger rode. Like butter man. You should try the roadmaster limited I actually liked it alot

[@Track3r]

Next event I may give the road master a try

[@michaelsimi2397]

You got hung up on a piece of trim on a demo bike that gets beat on. Chill, probably a clip or 2 and all is good. You just want to justify your Harley in most of what you said.

[@Track3r]

If you paid attention I also explained other issues I have seen with other bikes like it. Also if you go look at some of my other videos I actually really liked the ftr and would recommend anyone looking for a smaller bike check out the chief but their touring bikes have had and continue to have a variety of fit and finish issues they need to iron out. To be clear I don’t need to justify my Harley and as a matter of fact I would rather ride my Kawasaki but on long trips I like to be able to almost always be a short distance from a dealership that is likely to have parts in stock. None of the other manufacturers can provide that so that’s why I have a Harley.

[@Track3r]

I also have a Kawasaki and a Honda and am looking at another bike currently 😉

[@thelost_woods]

F**k it buy a goldwing, I hated the challenger when I demo'd one. Indians are actually more expensive than harleys in the long run. Look at the parts catalog it's insane

[@UncleMikeH]

You can never talk sense into a harley owner 🤦‍♂️

[@whitebeltchamp1]

How do you compare your personal bike to a demo bike? The demo bike is not gonna be as well-maintained as your bike. You come off sounding like a Harley Davison fan boy. You asked a question, why get an imitation when you could get a Harley Davison. lol The challenger has a better engine and has better tech for a similar price. I think I'd rather have the imitation. I agree with you on the dealership network. Hopefully that will change in the future.

[@airtexaco]

Dude. HD doesn’t have a heel shifter anymore. I’ve owned both and I will never go back to HD. This video is painful to watch. You aren’t even giving it a chance… Why not just buy a Harley? And then pay thousands to fix their mistakes to “make it your own”. Challenger has a fixed fairing and bags and that makes it a clone? Dude, keep to your Harley and stay away from the better bike.

[@Track3r]

😉

[@markcleveland9645]

This guys funny...knocks the Indian Challenger compared to his HD Roadglide, saying its a clone when the Challenger has more power, better brakes and suspension. He didn't know the controls on the touch screen to put it into sport mode...complained about that piece of trim when as another mentioned that's where the garage door opener goes. This guy needs to stick to his Roadglide...but be warned...the Challenger will eat its lunch if he ever comes up against one in a race.

[@Track3r]

Why is everyone’s response “but it’s faster” yeah so is a busa or a zx14 doesn’t mean they are better. I didn’t buy my touring bike to go fast. It’s a lot of personal preference and opinion.

[@SmokinLoon5150]

I know right, Indian so copied HD. The two wheels give it away. ;) I get it, you bleed HD orange and black and that is fine but give Indian its due. It isn't an imitation in the least bit and it is certainly the "real thing".

[@Track3r]

They have multiple similarities to the road glide. However the fit and finish is leaving a lot to be desired. Check my other videos on the scout and ftr. I gave indian plenty of praise in those videos because the bikes were actually good!

[@ordepeter]

You got your history wrong over who’s been copying who. The things you picked at were inconsequential. Poor review with lots of ego.

[@dcdell2008]

I too was looking very seriously at the Challenger vs the Road Glide Special for my next touring bike and to make a long story short, I came home to the Harley 2021 Road Glide Special, many reasons I felt at home on the Harley M8, my fifth Harley so not a lot of debate there...Give the Challenger a few more years to debug and I'm sure it will be an excellent bike, but I think, the M8 is mature and debugged now after four/five years, it is the best time to jump on the M8 motor--thanks for sharing

[@jakebrakejimbo2642]

Another ignorant brand loyalist. Complaining about a heel shifter that only comes standard on cvo harleys now.Harley copies just like every other brand. Scout sales were up now Harley has a liquid cooled sportster.its called sales and marketing. The mustang gets a bump in horsepower the Camaro follows suit. I started on a scout I currently own a street glide I can say with certainty my next bike wont be a Harley.

[@letsride6222]

INDIAN - Polaris Have made a real good Quality Bikes,Harley have much more isues ,if il go to buy a bager or another cruise bike it will be Indian 100%

[@jimc1586]

Why did I buy this over a Harley……because it’s better

[@jamesolam9312]

Why buy the Indian when you could by a Harley? Because the Indian is a better bike. Thank you.

[@Track3r]

Not from what I seen on the touring bikes. The FTR and Scout tho are very compelling options

[@supakamario]

Imitation harley... really..... boo #fanboy

[@thegentlemen6135]

Soooooo bias dude that thing will beat the breaks off your road glide. Harley has so many issues and recalls it’s not funny. Look up all the recalls on the harleys crazy

[@Track3r]

I havnt had any recalls on either of my harleys. Can you show me where you got this info from?

[@Track3r]

Going to Safecar yes Harley has had 1894 recalls dating back to 1967. However if I look at comparable years to the bike I have there are none for my 2020 Road Glide. However the 2020 Challenger has a DO NOT DRIVE recall from March 25 2020 for a engine output shaft bearing failure. Yes your correct HD has had issues. So has Indian, Honda, Kawasaki, Victory, and any other manufacturer you can think of. But as stated in this video my OPINION is that the Challenger needs work. Its the same price range as my road glide however has a lot of fit and finish issues along with a lack of support from a strong dealership network. Some people may not agree with me and that's ok. Again my opinion I would go with a manufacture with a stronger dealer network and less quality control issues such as Harley or even Honda for that matter.

[@Track3r]

My mistake the HD recall history goes back to 1965. Also note that Indians only go back to 1999 As a comparison Fords recall history goes back to 1952 with 5227 results

[@thegentlemen6135]

@@Track3r my whole thing with Harley is that there just over priced way behind on technology and very top heavy and low on hp. You are buying a brand name that’s all. Hell a H-D t shirt cost a 100 bucks because of the name not cause of quality just like there bikes. The only thing they have going for them is there support but I’ve looked at the numbers and they are going down as there main buyers are getting older but someone will bail them out again for the sixth time. Yes Harley has went bankrupt five times

[@Track3r]

@@thegentlemen6135 We can go on the bail out comment. Who bought the Indian name because it was out of business again? However I am not trying to say all Indian bikes are at the same level of unpolished as the Challenger. Take the scout for example. Its affordable and as compared to an entry level harley (Sportster) I would take it all day! The FTR? Harley doesnt even offer something similar to it unless you go used and look at a Buell and those are far from something I would even put up near a FTR. This video specifically is my opinion on this one model of bike that is comparatively priced to a Road Glide and while yes it has more power and such can not compare to the road glide in multiple aspects. As I have said this is my opinion. I can go on for days about bikes that are better than what HD has to offer. What would I rather choose today, the Pan America (HD) or a Versys 1000 (kawasaki). I would take the Kawasaki they have been in that game for a lot longer and the Pan America is a brand new platform with a brand new drive line. Give it a few years to work the bugs out and I would probably reconsider my choice. Same goes for the Challenger. It is a new platform for Indian and needs a lot of refinement before its really ready and something I would personally consider. For anyone else who wants one or has one. Good for them and I hope to see them out riding some time. However as stated I have owned multiple different brands of bikes and currently own 3 different brands and like them all for different reasons. If given the chance to buy a FTR for a good price you can bet it would be in my garage! I am not brand loyal.

[@fillupread]

Why does a HD have to cost more than an Indian? Your 'argument' is weak. Does a HD piston cost more than an Indian piston? Does a HD wheel cost more than an Indian wheel? Meanwhile that Indian will make your HD look like a mobility scooter....clown

[@ARCSSelfDefense]

Awww...doing all he can to bring anything, down because he has to justify overpaying for a lesser product.

[@Track3r]

I didn’t bring anything down just stated what I was seeing 😊 also bought my Harley for $25k and sold it for the same $25k 3 years later. Let’s see a Indian with the same resale value. Also while this bike was not great finish wise I am looking to purchase a FTR in the near future

[@onlyhereonce7290]

I had to add a " heel " shifter to my 2021 Chieftan DH. Expensive OEM. And they do the same BS with the Challenger. Stupid. And yes, the fit and finish is sub par. At best. Almost AMF - Harley level.

[@Track3r]

Other than fit and finish it wasn’t a bad bike tho

[@onlyhereonce7290]

@@Track3r so far the fit and finish on my 2021 Indian Chieftain DH is quite good. But, not to Harley standards. Where you pay for the best of the best with HD. But don't get an adjustable windshield, or ride modes, electric locks, LED lighting. So, there is a tradeoff for sure.

[@bikerbliss7411]

Unfortunately a review from a Harley owner lmao😂😂 how about the facts and truths. As someone who is technician in the industry and for multiple brands including indian,Harley, Suzuki,Can-Am, Kawasaki to name some with over 22+ years of experience. Indian is far better in almost every aspect except dealer network. Harley has to have a dealer within an hour of each considering how frequently they break down with major failures not minor. I have had a lot of the road glide st and street glide st come in with less than 1k clocked and they are blown up. Yes Indian has a fit and finish problem as well as a few other minor things but as far as reliability and engine, well let's say I have yet to tare down an Indian power plus motor or thunderstroke 111, I honestly can't count the number of m8 I've had to tare down and rebuild. Only thing Harley is great at is clothing,boots,sunglasses and accessories lol. But honestly if you want a maintenance free ride get a Honda. See so many of them come in 300-400,000 miles without so much a hiccup. Agree though ride command is glitchy and sucks but as far as power, performance and reliability I'll take an Indian over a Harley 10 out of 10 times.

[@Track3r]

Actually I own more bikes or other models than Harley’s. Watch any of my other test ride videos. I also don’t totally dislike Indians. The FTR is a great bike. Their touring bikes are just not up to par for the price they are trying to get.

[@bikerbliss7411]

@@Track3r I guess it's personal preference. I feel like there touring bikes are much better than the Harleys because don't have to worry about breaking down. More piece of mind traveling across the country. I do agree indian needs to work on its fit and finish as the chieftains tend to get rattling in the batwing after some time and some of the plastic tid bits break but still the ride and the power are superb compared to sta a road glide plus the feature you get with an Indian for 35k is much better than a Harley would have to buy a CVO starting at 48k to even come close to what comes standard on indians. Did a 3200 mile trip on a street glide and then did 3800 miles on a chieftain and hands down the indian was much better. Everyone will have there preference and choice, again I still feel the Japanese brands are light years ahead of indian or Harley when comes to reliability, for and finish and low cost of ownership. Having a saying in the shop world, you will never outlast a Honda. So far after 22+ years as a tech I can stand by that lol

[@Track3r]

Your definitely correct it is personal preference. It’s also down to personal experience. For me my local metric dealers are absolutely terrible but I do agree metric bikes are generally superior. When it comes to reliability some people have had issues with Harley but me personally my bikes have been extremely reliable. But I also know that’s not always the case. Every brand has its pros and cons and every person has their opinion and perceptions and rarely is anyone wrong in their own opinions or perceptions. All that being said while I don’t anticipate ever owning one of Indians touring bikes I am looking forward to a adding the ftr to my collection

[@leemitchell7879]

I spent it because it smokes a chode glide. Harley is a lowtech junkpile imo

[@Track3r]

Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but my Harley doesn’t have parts falling off after 400 miles

[@Thunder_Bear_mg]

@@Track3r Personally, I'd take a plastic gauge cover come loose over an engine or transmission issue.

[@DoucetteMichael]

Because maybe you don't want a Roadglide!!!

[@DoucetteMichael]

Something else I though of was that Harley has plenty of cheap parts that just don't cut it either I saw you playing with some of the trim above the gauge cluster!

[@Charles_A81]

Another HD fan boy 😂 you wish your HD can keep up with the challenger.

[@Track3r]

I own 3 bikes and ride all 3. Only one is a HD. I have also owned around 15 before this and only 2 of them have ever been HD. Wouldn't say I am a fan boy ;)

[@davidkbrees]

Got to disagree with you. The Challenger is the bike Harley should have been building 10+ years ago. It's a superior bike in almost every conceivable way, except for the Infotainment system. Indian has had problems with the Ride Command and they need to work those out.

[@ariesnc6320]

Couldn’t watch the review once I started hearing the guy complain about not having a heel shifter and bashing it cause it’s not a Harley. Why bother doing the review at all then .

[@Track3r]

Why bother writing a comment if you didn’t watch for the positive things I said?

[@tjt6288able]

This dude has subscribers?

[@Track3r]

Not as many as I want. You should sub and check out my other indian test ride videos!

[@DavidSmith-jj5pr]

it has 2 wheels... IT'S A ROAD GLIDE EXACT COPY!!!

[@randallpike3593]

Typical Harley Davidson no job. So follow their selves

[@Track3r]

I’m not sure your comment even makes sense...