Indie Animation Is NOT A COMPETITION!

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InfernoYT

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@Zebra_fandomfella03 2 ай бұрын

Its no competition. Its basically like how it went for Barbie and Oppenheimer

@metek8926 2 ай бұрын

Hardest part of indie animation is revenue, people are paying to watch it, mainly money through merch. By being part of a streaming service it gives it more validity as a form of media.

@LucyLoud_Fan 2 ай бұрын

I feel like people should overall be grateful that indie animation even exists at all. I can imagine all of the hard work that goes into these shows and having full creative control over them. I hope every indie show becomes successful in the future

@User-ChairBoom4729 2 ай бұрын

As a Hazbin/Helluva person AND a TADC person, I love both shows equally and appreciate what both bring to the table

@cocoacos78 Ай бұрын

THIS!!! There’s a good bit of overlap between the fandoms but you wouldn’t know it because of how loud people are when it comes to picking apart the Hellaverse

@Collie-King 2 ай бұрын

I feel like this is the wake up call we all need. Appreciate what we’ve got. Don’t like Hazbin? Watch Tadc. Don’t like Tadc? Watch murder drones, Lackadaisy, monkey wrench, etc. Indie animation has a HUGE variety of shows to choose from, find the one that’s for you and you’re settled. No need to prove a point. If you don’t like a certain show, don’t feel the need to compare it with one you love, just let them coexist.

@Mariofanaticanimations 2 ай бұрын

Indie animation is the saving medium of animation

@thefroggychannel1915 2 ай бұрын

indie animation are getting better and people behind these shows are friends with each other while big companies fight each other for your attention and glitch productions/smg4 luke actually collab with other indie shows creators from the glitchx indie animation are like the king.

@SpiderandMosquito 2 ай бұрын

I always say, "it's not a race. It's a marathon."

@andrewpessoa7447 2 ай бұрын

Indie animation should be celebrated together as a whole not fighting for 1st place.

@coffee_2234 2 ай бұрын

3:25 let not forget that at one poin gooseworx use to work on hazbin hotel if im not mistaken

@coffee_2234 2 ай бұрын

Point

@noobmasterruben5167 2 ай бұрын

You can definitely tell that ever since Hazbin hotel pilot blew up. A lot of animators went to make their own thing too like LS Mark, Gooseworx, Sir Pelo and the guy who made Monkey wrench

@RainbowNiffty 2 ай бұрын

gooseworx still works on hazbin, not sure bout season 2 but maybe. I know they definitely worked on season 1 of hazbin though

@FANOFPORTAL2 2 ай бұрын

Wait really?

@RainbowNiffty 2 ай бұрын

@Portal2Fan1234 yes, gooseworx worked as a track composer alongside evan alderte (correct me if i misspelt the name) for the hazbin hotel pilot (2019) and main series (2024)

@Average-AnimationLovn-Ace 2 ай бұрын

The only competition around here should be indie animation doing what companies like Disney have failed in recent years: making/telling great stories and animation that isn't for the sake of cash grabbing and screwing over people's hard work and dedication to something that was deemed unachievable.

@coffee_2234 2 ай бұрын

Im still mad at imbecile disney because the reasoning of why they cancel the owl house such a wasted opportunity especially since kids nowadays don't even watch disney anymore the vast majority who do watch disney is adults who grew up before the internet

@PawPatrolxTransformers 2 ай бұрын

My Favorite Indie Animation are Murder Drones Amazing Digital Dircus Hazbin Hotel Helluva Boss Lackadaisy Meta Runner

@rolf_dk 2 ай бұрын

Ayy. Nice seeing Meta Runner in here.

@coffee_2234 2 ай бұрын

You have good taste meta runner is such an underrated masterpiece love it since 2019 and it still one of my favorite indie show especially since love how tari can enter the game and interact with the objects with in the game

@PawPatrolxTransformers 2 ай бұрын

Agreed

@MoonlarkSpirits 2 ай бұрын

A Meta Runner Lover? Let’s goo

@itz_znuggvt7940 2 ай бұрын

meta runner was the first indie show I watched and I still love it, its so good man

@CompressionMan 2 ай бұрын

People are just so dang competitive, At the end of the day they're both doing great things for the industry and I just hope other creators can benefit from it too!

@wid4523 2 ай бұрын

I'm glad someone is talking about this. Mainly for the vivsipop side where everyone shits on her for practically no reason. I like hazbin hotel and helluva a decent amount and stuff but im not crazy about it but my god there is so much hate and even more hate spawning from the digital circus fandom. I see so many videos talking about vivsi drama this, vivsi drama that, helluva is such a bad show, why this show is better than helluva. Its something i just cant understand. Edit: for some odd reason i didnt think that people would start arguing in the replies. But it makes complete sense considering this whole situation. Sad

@srslydoatm9251 2 ай бұрын

I dunno man, a lot of videos on how she deliberately ditched the old cast for the celebs don't exactly paint her in the best light. Also how she handles criticism. Not the best look

@ythegamerita 2 ай бұрын

@@srslydoatm9251the cast thing was probably because of Amazon, because with series it's (most of the time) the corporation that does the money hungry decisions, and the original cast isn't angry at her

@cherrybombwaffles518 2 ай бұрын

and on the opposite side of the board, Kevin Lerdwichagul, CEO of Glitch Productions, has done genuinely terrible things. and yet everyone treats him like him and his company are flawless and can do no wrong. earlier this year, multiple anonymous former employees left reviews on Glassdoor exposing their abhorrent experiences working for Glitch. nowadays people wanna dismiss this as "old drama" because they wanna go back to pretending Glitch is flawless.

@JuanRivera-sy6xv 2 ай бұрын

@@cherrybombwaffles518I've never heard about this?! Because if that's true then that shows the clear double standards of the internet has which is a surprising

@scootermcpeanuts6699 2 ай бұрын

While I agree the hate to her is somewhat overblown, the writing of her shows has definitely earned its criticism, especially with how they handle the subject of SA.

@Rainbowhawk1993 2 ай бұрын

It’s just ingrained in our capitalist society. Companies and people compete to be better. It’s a paradox, we want to be friends but our society makes us enemies to an extent. There really needs to a balance.

@ythegamerita 2 ай бұрын

One time i watched a video about hazbin hotel's toxic fandom (which the show does have) and as their first proof they showed a reaction channel crying to a scene that the person who made the video didn't find sad, most of these videos are basically just hating for the sake of hating

@DeletedCharacter 2 ай бұрын

They really decided that they were gonna show how the fandom was toxic was by being more toxic than the fandom

@rolf_dk 2 ай бұрын

People be fighting with what show is better. Meanwhile im just enjoying all of them and don't care what's better. If i like it, i'll watch it.

@RustyRaccoon808 2 ай бұрын

Same here, I like both shows. While yeah, helluva boss has it's flaws for sure but, WHAT SHOW DOESN'T?! You still enjoy it despite them.

@anastasia_852 2 ай бұрын

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@coffee_2234 2 ай бұрын

8:53 im still waiting for people to actually make a actual critique of the show rather than hating on the show just because of vivziepop

@Flowermations 2 ай бұрын

When I was watching that vid by this Pink King guy, my first thought was: "Why are you comparing these shows and their views when these creators are friends with each other" some of the common criticisms about Helluva Boss were actually improved on, like Millie getting her own focus episode in the form of a short with her and Sally May.

@Kauffmanboy-tc1li 2 ай бұрын

All of the the indie anamations ate good and everyone can like them, don't hate on or compare other indie anamations because you like a different anamation. Have a good night or day depending on when you read this comment 👍

@CatboyyyX3 2 ай бұрын

As a TADC fan, i hate competition between indie shows.

@LobsterBoi10 2 ай бұрын

I think you're completely right. I really like Glitch shows, specifically Murder Drones and Digital Circus, and I don't really watch many other indie shows, but even if they're not something I'm super interested in watching I still respect the creators for taking the time to make ENTIRE SHOWS. A lot of us don't realize just how much effort people have to put in to make all of these incredible things. I may like some indie shows more than others, just cuz I have a preference for shows that I like, but I'm not going to compare them because they are all amazing works of art and the creators put a lot of effort into making them.

@sweetpea2604 2 ай бұрын

It makes no sense to me that people like to compare two different shows, made by two completely different studios with very different styles of humor, characters, and world building. It’s like when critics and movie reviewers try to compare Disney with Dreamworks, Sony, and illumination; or Marvel vs. DC and Star Wars vs. Star Trek They are very different companies who make very different pieces of work so its not fair to compete to see which is better, instead we should appreciate all of them & gatekeep people in and out of communities just because you have a personal preference

@cosmicspacething3474 2 ай бұрын

It’s fair to compare them all, just not so aggressively…

@villelater2708 2 ай бұрын

It's definitely not a contest but it is about finding all the indie animations you can find to enjoy... it's a clean perspective

@Dataanti 2 ай бұрын

the digital circus really reminds me of reboot

@keeganmcfarland7507 2 ай бұрын

I agree with you, InfernoYT!👍 Indie animation is not a competition. Murder Drones, Lackadaisy, The Amazing Digital Circus, and the other indie animation series should be friends, not being enemies to each other. Also InfernoYT, have you seen the community section of Robotomy Animations titled "If MD season 2 is possible, is it unlikely better than season 1? (The sequel problem from movies)"?

@InfernoYTOfficial 2 ай бұрын

I haven't seen that.

@justmonika3365 2 ай бұрын

On twitter I saw people posting that similar thumbnail that did compare the two and they were complaining about how something like this isn't a fact, just an opinion and its okay to have opinions but don't push them on to others or make one show seem better by pushing the other one down and I totally agree with them, I didn't watch that other video because I am sick of these. My favourite indie show is helluva boss but that doesn't mean that I believe that all the other shows are shit, I watched pretty much all of the popular indie shows and the semi-popular ones and all of them were enjoyable, some interesting, some funny, some cute, some I really liked the animation/artstyle but none were bad I just prefer helluva boss because it speaks to me, I like nearly everything about it but I still hope to see some improvements to it like I want characters like Millie to get more individual spotlight. Overall when I saw this video I cheered, good thumbail I like how it mirrors the other one which makes it obvious what other video this one is telling off.

@SpookyN3ko 2 ай бұрын

Thank youuuu I keep seeing these hateful videos recommended for some reason and I'm just like I LOVE BOTH AND BUY BOTH MERCH!

@coffee_2234 2 ай бұрын

I fine it cringe when people like to argue what two show is superior when the whole thing is subjective and it a personal opinion too

@Pauli-dg2yv 2 ай бұрын

Me who mostly watch MD: I just like early 2000s vibes, man..

@coffee_2234 2 ай бұрын

8:28 honestly i can see brandon roger (the va of blitz) making a parody of vivziepop kill my grandma parody especially with all of the adult humor he does in his video 😂

@flamerthevelcioraptorrevie1638 2 ай бұрын

This isn't corporate companies running networks who need us to watch their shows than the other Every Indie animation show doesn't need those views and ratings like they do, they just want you to watch and enjoy

@DanielLave25280 2 ай бұрын

Indie Animation is NOT a race Its just a genre and helping out with saving Animation Oh and Fun Fact: Helluva Boss and The Amazing Digital Circus are my 2 top favorite Indie animated shows

@Joshguy404 2 ай бұрын

Unrelated but I looked up Josh on KZbin and the first thing I see is a documentary on diddy WHY

@andrewharris1344 2 ай бұрын

Being extreme brings attention that’s the internet game. The competition is tiring especially sense they’re so extreme with x is better then y in every way. While hazbin/ Gelluva have definite issues so dues TADC the only thing is no one is making videos on those issues with the show and if they do they won’t bring views. It’s fine if you don’t like something but you shouldn’t put one show on suck a high pedestal no matter what show it is.

@seanpvs101moviesproduction3 2 ай бұрын

I don’t want Indie Animation Turn into this Sports match/Console War Type Toxicity..

@londonmorant7000 2 ай бұрын

Just wanna clarify, Pink king (the person who made the Digital Circus vs Helluva Boss video) has made a video explaining that he wasn't necessarily trying to pit the shows against each other or that he didn't like one of them, but he made the video because he likes discussing his interests and wants to see Helluva Boss improve from where it is now. People just took the thumbnail out of context and assumed he was mocking Vivziepop directly.

@amandaconway1972 2 ай бұрын

Calling a show bad in a thumbnail is intentional click bait, it doesn't say what you think it says. If that's the angle, try another thumbnail.

@londonmorant7000 2 ай бұрын

@@amandaconway1972 Maybe it'll look that way to some people. But he does go in-depth about why he doesn't like where Helluva Boss is right now, basically explaining why he thinks it's "bad." He's even done it across multiple videos. Again, not everyone is going to see it that way, but I understand where the guy's coming from.

@bella_daze3092 2 ай бұрын

I never understood why people compare indie animated shows. Sure, I may not like Helluva Boss that much but I can’t deny that it HAS allowed talent to animate for something great. It may not be my favorite thing in the world, but it’s still exists and it’s still doing good for artists. Glitch getting their show on something like Netflix is extraordinary and something I’ve never really seen done before. They’re still independently funded and still helping people tell the stories that they want to tell and allow the creators to end the stories on their own terms. Which is absolutely insane to me… and something I never really thought could be done until they did it. It’s inspiring. So many things are changing, and that’s not a bad thing. But for the love of God, y’all please stop comparing shows. We can acknowledge the flaws that they have but at least also acknowledge that there’s still good in what IS being done and give constructive criticism on what could be improved

@Dillyj8 2 ай бұрын

Man, why do people forget that opinion exists and people have many, many different opinions

@danielsurvivor1372 2 ай бұрын

I think ppl worry about TADC being on Netflix cuz we assumed all episodes would be on the Glitch channel, I mean if there's no exclusivity deal to appear on Neflix only then I guess we have nothing to worry about but still 😅

@Faiths123 2 ай бұрын

We have nothing to worry about

@jonathanolenzak 2 ай бұрын

Now that you mention about Indie Animation not being a competition, this is what's going to be difficult about when I publish Glitches to Riches: A Fan's Journey. It's not just getting a shout-out from friends, family, SMG4, Glitch, the staff, and the voice actors of the Glitch indie animation shows, it's about getting a shout-out to each of the indie animation groups. I was over at KadabraCon in Corpus Christi, Texas, and Lizzie Freeman and Michael Kovach told me that the title "Glitches to Riches", any SMG4 and Glitch references, Digital Circus references, and the voice actors feeling uncomfortable from getting a shout-out, I have to ask the staff of Glitch to see if it's okay to use those titles. That right there is called copyright infringement. I've worked very hard writing Glitches to Riches since GlitchX last year, and I'm just not ready to change the title. I haven't been writing very much because I've been too busy with work and Doordashing for the past six months. But to start the new era in 2025, I have to focus on finishing writing Glitches to Riches: A Fan's Journey before the end of 2024. Then, before GlitchX 2024, I'll send Glitch an email and ask the important question of the title, Glitches to Riches: A Fan's Journey. If I don't receive an email from them within a month, then I'm going to the Level Up Gaming Expo in Las Vegas, Nevada, and ask them in person. Honestly, being a writer is something that I have been dreaming of since I was a kid. I, too, want to help out the future of Indie Animation. A story to tell all of the SMG4 and Glitch fans that they will never ever forget. Inferno, may I give you a shout-out to my Glitches to Riches autobiography book? It's okay to say no

@InfernoYTOfficial 2 ай бұрын

I would love a shout out! :)

@jonathanolenzak 2 ай бұрын

@@InfernoYTOfficial awesome! Thanks so much

@cosmicspacething3474 2 ай бұрын

As much as I love Monkey wrench and think it deserves more attention, I feel like it was a completely braindead decision to make the fans simp for a character, and then say they’re asexual. That’s just asking for toxicity lol

@helion_ut 2 ай бұрын

What does 'make the fans simp for a character' even mean? Did the creators brainwash the fandom or what? That's just ridiculous.

@sanxlkichi1504 2 ай бұрын

Yeah you can never compare indie shows but what you can do is compare indie shows with Disney

@MDiano 2 ай бұрын

Hey Inferno, I'm making a MD song parody of Welcome to the internet, and I was wondering if it's ok with you if I can shoutout you in one of the lyrics.

@Ludi_Chris 2 ай бұрын

Did you watch the video? Or just see the thump nail and react? Just want to know before I form my opinion.

@emilyvillanueva6911 2 ай бұрын

You have a really good point!

@GemstoneButterfly 2 ай бұрын

Some things matter more than numbers 🧡🧡🧡

@Bluaminations 2 ай бұрын

There,something I need to tell you Alastor has a lot of potential to get to Multiversal level what if hazbin hotel crossovers with indie Ips like Murder drones Chikin Niggit land of Boggs and alastor Could get orientation Videos

@jaxcraft2848 2 ай бұрын

THANK 👏 YOU! 👏

@ArticPeril 2 ай бұрын

I would like to add this. The critical community compares it because its often times that we're just being critical obviously. We're comparing and pointing out where hh and hb fall flat. We're also talking about the behind the scenes stuff of animation. How viv actively causes a toxic workplace for the animators and workers under her. The comparison isnt a competition. It's a way to show why one thing is often better than another. Im sorry if this doesn't make much sense. Im incredibly sleep deprived.

@choder9956 2 ай бұрын

IS THERE ANY OTHER INDIS I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT

@InfernoYTOfficial 2 ай бұрын

YEAH THERE IS!

@randomdegenerate9180 2 ай бұрын

My recommendation? Hunter: The Parenting

@Luna-Moon.UnderFNAF 2 ай бұрын

There’s Port by the Sea

@spideygaming2001 2 ай бұрын

Please review skibidi toilet since its a indie series thats really good

@unstableanimations 2 ай бұрын

Well, technically, it is. Unless everyone shells out money for every show. Since everyone has different tastes. As an animator working on their own YT series myself, I see shows like Helluva Boss and The Great Digital Circus as honestly direct computers. Because they are both comedy shows with some aspects of violence or horror. I would better lump my series in with stuff like Lackadaisy as both are character driven. Mine is a lot less backed than Lackadaisy of course since they have a name and recognition from Webtoons. But, both follow stories of characters that follow relatively serious plot points with some side stories thrown in for good measure.

@LightningAdrian 2 ай бұрын

So Inferno, it's here another video about Indie animation, and it's titled "Everything Wrong With Indie Animation Vs. Disney," and it's on a channel called Tubbybloxian.

@wongdang2 2 ай бұрын

Comparing indie animation is stupid. Yes theres indie shows i better like then tadc like hazbin and murder drones but its not like i wanna fight about it

@AfrazHameed 2 ай бұрын

When did people called indie animation?

@Ananda_Darwisy 2 ай бұрын

Is just a fun show ʘ⁠‿⁠ʘ

@royal1499 2 ай бұрын

This is the problem that capitalism has tricked us into thinking that competition is about making a better product rather than it’s actually about making more money. In a perfect world competition is about learning from one another trying to make the next thing better than the last, coexisting to make one another better. But in reality the next thing you make has to get more eyes (aka more money) regardless of quality. And this is very very petty but I also blame Jeffrey Katzenberg, that man truly fucked over how animation should be viewed.