Indo-European News (12/2023) with Prof. Tony Yates and

[@hjalti0000]

Dr. Jackson's sense of humor is drier than a slice of Saharan toast. I love it.

[@Galdring]

Hahah... Good saying.

[@yebjharsevran8204]

Monty Pythons have the same kind of bad humor but wet as a Jungle

[@BaileyJPope]

34:07 Jackson's attempt at modern slang is pure gold here

[@senecaflint6853]

Hearing Dr. Crawford say “littest” made my day 😂😂 keep up the great work gents

[@tidsdjupet-mr5ud]

What would be the equivalent of "Spinosaurus" in historical linguistics? There are many parallels with the reconstruction of proto-languages like PIE and paleontology, where reconstructions have changed over time in both cases with new findings and knowledge forcing scientists to reconsider some of their ideas. What reconstructed proto-language has changed the most since it was first proposed? As said Spinosaurus has changed many times over since the first fossils were discovered, what would be the linguistic equivalent?

[@mattbeets]

Because it was mentioned here in the beginning that the dates of the archaeological evidence in our graph was from "the relevant areas", I'll just clarify here that we were quite "generous" and used the dates of the earliest archaeological evidence anywhere in Western Eurasia. So our date for gold in the graph is based on the earliest evidence in the Balkans, although a homeland in the Balkans is not suggested in the Heggarty paper. Using only archaeological evidence from the "relevant areas" for Heggarty's homeland model, some of these dates (e.g. for gold) would be even later. :)

[@rdklkje13]

Thank you! Comments like this one is why I still bother to read YT comments 😃

[@benedyktjaworski9877]

I just came here to say I love that you continue doing this series. Having (semi-)regular news/discussion sessions like these is great!

[@UnshavenStatue]

24:46 I caution Dr Gorton here for ascribing too much independence to "the computers", and speaking as if "the computers" have some independent thinking of their own. In reality, it's "just" models made by the authors of the paper. The models are predicated on the authors' conceptions of the world, and on the data the authors feed into the model, and has been discussed to death a lot of their genetic-linguistic links are to be taken... rather skeptically. But at any rate, the computational results are fed by the authors' conceptions and data, not independently regurgitated by anything approximating an artificial intelligence

[@Man_of_dirt]

Can you do a deep dive on old Frisian and Frisia in the Viking age? How similar were the viking ships to the Frisian ones? Weda?

[@NathanaelFosaaen]

Seriously, you have GOT to get David Anthony on the channel!!!

[@阳明子]

Absolutely love these. Thank you Doctors.

[@sazji]

Case system…The first Serbian book I bought presented all the cases of all three genders, singular and plural, with the admonition, “learn these form well as they are very important.” 😫 Ancient/modern languages: When I studied Ancient Greek, my professors not only discounted Modern Greek (which I spoke fluently), they actively disparaged it. The professor said, “oh, you’re one of those Demotic types…” This was repeated to some extent in my Near Eastern Languages Dept., which had grown out of the classics department. The professor of Ottoman couldn’t speak Turkish - hell, he couldn’t even pronounce it. I was actually chewed out by my own professor for learning spoken Tashkent dialect of Uzbek - she insisted that we only use Modern Literary Uzbek, and said “they will laugh at you if you speak that way.” (Surprise: She couldn’t actually speak Uzbek.) I’m glad to see this attitude changing.

[@rdklkje13]

Sounds like you were unlucky. Or maybe I was lucky, hard to know. My high school Latin and ancient Greek cultures teacher told us stories about how she'd been able to communicate with people in Italy and Greece when there, despite knowing no modern Italian or Greek (though she'll have had at least half decent French in her bag of languages). This was one of her many successful strategies for increasing our enthusiasm for learning about these "dead" languages and cultures, obligatory subjects at the time = 1980s. She had a nose stud, which was super rad for a teacher back then. So that also helped!

[@normsti000]

My joke is I was born with the small box of crayon colors, my wife was born with the big box. Eight basic colors for me, her's is a myriad.

[@jboss1073]

7:18 - This is the second study that I have seen that shows Celtic and Germanic closer to each other (in a Germano-Celtic family) than Celtic is to Italic (arguing against Italo-Celtic). The first study was Max Planck Institute's "Language trees with sampled ancestors support a hybrid model for the origin of Indo-European languages". What are your thoughts on this viz-a-viz the Italo-Celtic hypothesis?

[@kambojarian]

Thanks!

[@groezy]

ayyy my two favorite guests

[@Veidr99]

Big ups can't wait for the next thank you good Sers

[@SandalwoodBros]

I think I have the same shirt as Dr Crawford--Banana Republic? Excellent choice. Great chat as always.

[@Bjorn_Algiz]

Very interesting and informative 😮

[@vladfingers5823]

Please do the Avestan interview with a specialist. There are some aspiring IEists here studying hard on their IIr branch !

[@ADHDlanguages]

Great as always, guys. This is such a great series for someone like me who is interested in these things but doesn't have any actual linguistics education.

[@ChristopherRayMiller]

I'll have to look at Easterday's work on ejectives again, but I think it's clear at least from Semitic that ejectives, which are retained in the modern South Arabian languages and the Ethiosemitic languages, are lost in Hebrew and transformed in Aramaic and Arabic to uvulopharyngealised emphatics (or velar [q] in classical Arabic), variably voiced or unvoiced depending on the consonant. At least at this level, I can see a clear parallel with a development from a hypothetical glottalic series (ejectives or preglottalised) to voiced stops.

[@Drewe223]

Love these

[@teucer915]

Is there a link to the handout about Jastenov (?sp)'s challenge? It only came up briefly but I am very curious about it.

[@RichardDCook]

At 1:03:01 what about the Vindolanda tablets? Not casual conversations but informal letters.

[@marjae2767]

I'm really hoping some longer central-European texts turn up in time, e.g. a Thracian bible translation.

[@andrwblood9162]

The Non-Definitive Council of Indo-European Neat

[@Bjowolf2]

Those parties must be great fun 😂 - constant puns and exchange of new etymologies...

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

The ANE magic and religion book will be interesting.

[@Zederok]

Ohh heck yea, this one is gonna be good.

[@GSteel-rh9iu]

Scythian kind of Avestan; C. Beckwith

[@marsh2537]

Happy second day of Kwanzaa

[@gavinrogers5246]

I'm older than all three of you, but I could ask some undergrads if I'm your GA soon, Dr. Gorton.

[@pimorosz4811]

Basques and Georgian share a rout language? Are the Cimmerians- Sythians- Sarmartians related?

[@GeorgeMerl]

The glotallic theory "fixing" indo-European's weird phonology seems silly. Like, all of the descendent languages developed more typical phology by a variety of mean.

[@mytube001]

Tony is very stripy! :D

[@ChristopherRayMiller]

Blinds-blinded

[@troelspeterroland6998]

Could somebody hear the name of Luke's professor at 16:38?

[@paulineg4599]

The transcript says Brian Joseph

[@troelspeterroland6998]

@@paulineg4599 thanks a lot!

[@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302]

Where does Etruscan fit in PIE language/artefact table?

[@bobjoe7508]

I don’t believe Etruscan has any proven relation to Indo-European languages. Etruscan may have been related to other languages in the alps and maybe one in the eastern Mediterranean, but there are very few inscriptions

[@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302]

@@bobjoe7508 I had heard that their language was related to the Phoenicians language.

[@bobjoe7508]

@@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 The Pyrgi Tablets are bilingual Etruscan-Phoenician inscriptions, so they had some contact, but there's no proven relation between the two languages. There's a proposed Tyrsenian family that includes Etruscan, Rhaetic, Lemnian, and maybe Camunic, but the alpine languages are still being studied.

[@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302]

@@bobjoe7508 Thanks for replying in detail. Cheers

[@ChristopherRayMiller]

@@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 No, Phoenician is a Northwest Semitic language, closely related to Hebrew and other Canaanite languages. The Semitic languages are related to Egyptian, the Berber languages, the Chadic languages, the Cushitic languages of the Horn of Africa, and to Omotic, a small language group in southern Ethiopia. Together, they form an Afroasiatic language family (though people are still struggling to reconstruct a protolanguage at a level of detail and relative confidence comparable to what we have for Proto-Indo-European or Proto-Austronesian). All that said, there is nothing (at least that anybody has noticed to date) that points to even a slight possibility that Etruscan is related in any detectable way to Austroasiatic or any of its branches.

[@Drewe223]

More Jackson speaking like a zoomer lmao.

[@Galdring]

Guys, happiness across age is smiley shaped, researchers say, and you are at the most miserable age. It only goes up from here =) Make the best of these days too! You'll never get them back, and you're building stuff that will keep paying off for the rest of your lives.

[@beepboop204]