Industry Groups BEG for Direct Payments: Do Farmers Even Want the Money??

[@mw3bb9]

I don’t think the farmer is necessarily in need of aid. It is companies that the farmers do business with. A tractor from 5 years ago is almost double. Price one the other day. At the end of 2018 tractor was $309,000. This week it is $490,000 for the same thing with a small improvement in tech. Just think about how crazy that is. Those companies are price gouging. They want the money to keep doing that. It is time for a price correction on the input side.

[@oldironfarms929]

I do not want payments as a farmer Equipment is starting to fall in price at auctions. If they start injecting free money, it will keep inputs over Priced.

[@trish2192]

Things are very tight, I am a first generation farmer. We have three farms with mortgages ,two pieces of equipment with payments. We are currently paid with everything. I know farms that will buy new pickup , tractor, and yes a boat. We drive 25 year old trucks. 9510 ,1660 combine. A bailout would be great and a bailout will also suck. This farm will continue,we just work side jobs when needed. Very thankful to God for this opportunity to farm.

[@davehughesfarm7983]

Good on you hang in there....We also drive 25-50 year old trucks and tractors.

[@EDBZ28]

I can see by reading the other comments on here, I'm not alone with my cynical opinion of "business as usual" for BIG GOV, BIG AG, and these Industry Groups who are allegedly in place to "help" us farmers. IMO all 3 are "in bed together" keeping price of grain down, while at the same time, helping out their cozy friend, BIG AG's consolidated farmer input suppliers, keeping inputs elevated to make their record profits, and then lobby our crooked gov officials by allocating more US citizen tax dollars for welfare payments to us farmers...keeping us dependent on them like they do with the rest of welfare scabs throughout our country.

[@lynwessel2471]

Higher income be it market or govt check will lead to input costs being raised just because they can.

[@chadspurling7411]

So, I'm in area that was in cat 3 drought last year and touched cat 2 drought this year. Last year corn was a disaster but Soybeans were OK. This year Corn was pretty phonomenal but soybeans were subpar, but varied WIDELY, like 40 Bu in 5 or 6 miles. I'd personally like to see any payments tied to crop insurance payments. We've had that in the past(I've not collected) and it seems like a way to assist producers in areas with genuine production issues and not just a blanket payment.

[@davehughesfarm7983]

40 bushel is not bad in NM.Missouri Fair Yes

[@chadspurling7411]

@@davehughesfarm7983 Talking about 40 bushel variations. One farmer that I know, same numbers, had 28bu soybeans and 72 bu soybeans on fields around 10 miles apart. There were some 80-90 bu soybeans 25 miles or so North of me, but most of those in my area were mid 30's to mid 40's.

[@richardashcraft3550]

Correct the payments will keep pore managers in business. But costs are still to high in relation to comity prices!!

[@hammyfarmer8111]

Learn how to market, build your own bins. Learn how to read a soil test. You don't need a new Deere RX.

[@W2HGrain]

There is more truth to this comment than most wish to admit. I have worked on grain marketing with hundreds of farmers in north and South America and the financial challenges are universal, but the financial results are drastically different. Good marketing and bins move the needle, as you said.

[@davehughesfarm7983]

hell with them bins...haul it off and store it! cheaper than the damn construction.

[@jeffnooyen6742]

In the past when dairy farms received a payment, the feed mills, veterinarian services, breeding services, etc. increased their prices…weird how that works.

[@billgallagher2797]

If Farm Credit is asking for DP to producers, that’s because they see lots “Red Ink”………..same as John Deere Ag Financing and Local Farm Lenders all across the corn belt.

[@robdorman8802]

This is true. How many farmers are going to honestly admit that they lost money and need assistance.....especially in a comment section. It is pretty bad out there. Hey Joe, do you know if the responses in your survey were all farmers? Or were they simply all subscribers? I want to add that it's not just the farming sector that is in poor shape but the entire ag sector which directly effects small town businesses. Just very concerned on the alternative if no payments are issued.

[@notsimplyorganic1053]

@robdorman8802 well since the most recent land sale in my area was a new all time high, I'd say you are incorrect.

[@robdorman8802]

@@notsimplyorganic1053 Good point. However even houses were selling at all time highs during the 2008 housing crisis....until they weren't.

[@jacoblandis4535]

​@@notsimplyorganic1053 it only takes 2 people with deep pockets to run up a land sale. Doesn't mean there aren't 40 that are hurting and 60 just making ends meet.

[@billgallagher2797]

@ who’s buying? Investors or Farmers, EC Illinois Farmland sales have slid off the Highs from a few years ago and those sales were all Investors. Time will tell my friend. Good luck and Happy Holidays

[@notsimplyorganic1053]

Problem with farming isn't what you get for what you sell, it's what you pay for inputs, mostly land. Sorry guys, land isn't worth anywhere near what it sells for.

[@JB-gz2vu]

A farm is worth whatever someone will pay for it.

[@notsimplyorganic1053]

@JB-gz2vu you're right, I think Bill gates should own everything and we call all wallow in the pi$$ and $hit. The land sold in today's world is purchased by people who have either inherented a bunch, old enough to have bought land at a reasonable price, or are the BTO in the area and received millions in government funny bucks since 2020 or I guess a combination of all 3. I can't afford to buy my families land because I have too many siblings I'd have to buy out. It's disgusting that the mentality is oh well, I guess the greedy just end up with it.

[@notsimplyorganic1053]

@JB-gz2vu when those that are buying are getting a thumb on the scale financially, you couldn't be more incorrect

[@davidkottman3440]

Land prices do reflect whatever people are willing to pay, but currently are totally out of line with the value of their agricultural production. In some areas this has been "normal" for decades, but it's a real shocker when it starts showing up in areas without as much investor influence

[@johnpowell9169]

The chance to buy farmland , especially adjoining land is usually a once in a lifetime opportunity ,if you want it you have to pay the price what ever that is.

[@Stocker82]

Government can keep their money make some guys grow some hair on their chest my dad did in the 80’s I’m still farming today because of it we farmed with junk when I was growing up and still have our farm

[@steve60ism]

90% of current ag budget is for SNAP. AG spending with SNAP is only 4% of the federal budget. Farm payments are inderectly payments to ag input companies. Its time farmers stop apologizing for everything.

[@DanNosbush]

Joe, in the 60's american farmers went to brazil to teach them how to farm, don't know who set that up.

[@johnpowell9169]

I can tell you , John Deere , International Harvester , Case, Allis Chalmers , etc.

[@bryanhilbert2872]

Nothing like training our own competition.....crazy.

[@drmodestoesq]

That was Cold War politics. America didn't want the Russians and the communists to get a foothold in South America.

[@lfeco]

No to the direct payments. We already have the Govt paying about 60% of our crop insurance bills, what other business has that? If the Govt would make direct payments of say $30 per acre, lots of farmers would just use that to try outbid the neighbor for more land.

[@Blackearthexcavationandtiling]

In the 90s farmers direct payments were the annual income - seems were back to that ..... farmers want margins, not bailouts, bailouts are not a steady form of income ..... govt spends, fed tightens, govt spends - viscous circle .... should farmers get direct payments, right now, yes - longer term, no with the exception being more bio fuels, price triggers for imports, and other market boosting things

[@joekeusch5995]

The big boys don't want to change a thing. Are you kidding me? With subsidized crop insurance and crap like this as long as they have ground under control either by ownership or long term rent it's a no brainer.

[@elainebyrne1915]

US farmers need to learn to farm Canadian style. No direct payments.

[@brendanmingo3486]

We don’t need a bailout. We need political leaders to negotiate trade deals to sell our commodities.

[@drmodestoesq]

The exact opposite is the case now. Trump wants a trade war with China. When Brazil is having a record soybean harvest.

[@vicdangiolo]

US agriculture never turned down a welfare check or subsidized farm program.

[@davidkottman3440]

Most cannot afford to turn it down, & if you do, economic punishment follows...

[@militaryanalysis24h]

Things are really tight-I’m a first-generation farmer. We have three farms with mortgages and two pieces of equipment with payments. Right now, everything is paid up, but I know farms that can afford to buy a new pickup, tractor, and even a boat. Meanwhile, we’re driving 25-year-old trucks and using a 9510 and a 1660 combine. A bailout would definitely help, but it would also come with its own challenges. Regardless, this farm will keep going-we just pick up side jobs whenever we need to make ends meet. I’m incredibly thankful to God for the opportunity to farm.

[@dalecook4928]

Yes, all farmers in Arkansas that we know are in support of Financial Aid.

[@dalepetersen1166]

I want a tough 2 years for the big guys, so I can buy land for $6000 and acre, which is where it was in 2020

[@davehughesfarm7983]

I do to but was hoping for $4000

[@hansreinhardt-e3e]

the payment would be a good thing. Inputs will stay high whether there are payments or not. The real driver of input costs are grain prices. I know prices have tanked this spring but input suppliers buy and store for a year or more in advance

[@jtn-minn8105]

Follow the trail of bail out money, it will filter right through the producers hands.....It always ends up in the hands of corporate companies,one way shape or form, sad but true.

[@debi5292]

Our farm diversified. Not with land or livestock either. We bought Tesla and Palantir stock years ago. Record returns mean Ag can do what it wants.

[@kevinnoah-i4o]

@@debi5292 I bought SOUN stock 1 year ago. 800% return. Better than Bitcoin.

[@elliotthenderson2182]

Tell me your old money without telling me your old money. 😂 but yeah I’m with you I’m not in favor of payments either. It’s Ozempic for unhealthy business

[@MarshallThompson-r1p]

Government intervention has ruined ag. It raises input prices, equipment prices, land prices and lowers grain prices. Go to an auction and you might be bidding against a farm that receives $200,000 in subsidies. Getting rid of property taxes would help more than anything.

[@davidkottman3440]

I live in a lower property tax State, but wouldn't eliminating property taxes also be more favorable to the larger farms?

[@MarshallThompson-r1p]

@@davidkottman3440 It would help both imo but have a more meaningful impact on smaller operations.

[@TheRoadfarmer]

If you could promise farmers that some input prices would drop substantially I think that number of farmers not wanting government payments would be higher. But yeah the likelihood of that happening to any sort of measurable degree is pretty slim probably.

[@EDBZ28]

yes, they want US citizens to bail out the industry, through taxation, ending with these welfare programs. Meanwhile, at the expense of all of us taxpayers, they get to keep inputs elevated, raping our industry for profits, and us farmers reliant upon the government.

[@johnzeit919]

We are doing ok...definitely not very profitable.

[@dakotakidd235]

how many of the 54% that say they don't want direct payments will send the check back?

[@elliotthenderson2182]

None of us. We have to keep it to spend it just like the idiots that want it.

[@joekeusch5995]

@dakotakidd235 Why would i send it back? So my neighbors take it and i go out of business. I sacrifice my farm because I have an incompetent government that has essentially ruined farming. That take makes zero sense. I'll reject it as soon as everyone else does.

[@dakotakidd235]

@@joekeusch5995 😂

[@harryvannest6339]

What do people that have regular jobs that taxes are taken out before their paid.

[@Tapit-z8j]

It makes sense the premium subscribers would lean NO with 250 bpa corn vs the poor weather farmers with very little crop to sell. For once how about the USDA exclude the high yielding 3 I states on payments. Oh the tears.....

[@davidkimmel5153]

No Payment. Back in the 80’s farmers that did there best to do the correct way by not overextending their operations were not helped. The ones that PCS’s kept handing out money letting farmers borrow more and more money wrote off large notes that they knew could not be paid back. The ones of us that that were not buying expensive machines and land were NOT rewarded with not rewarded with any reduction in our loans. Then some filed bankruptcy and bought new machines and pickups. Was NOT Fare at All. The Farm Credit is looking for another Bailout.

[@garywaidelich7389]

I had great years for the last 3 years and saved for bad times. Too many guys bought land and equipment and they are the ones crying. Sometimes those guys need to fail because they are bad operaters.

[@steigerpower]

Hear hear!!

[@jrowan99]

As a small beginning farmer the payments would make a substantial difference.

[@JB-gz2vu]

Sorry to tell you this but that payment will help your large competitor more than it helps you.

[@davidkottman3440]

​@@JB-gz2vu Yep, every program helps the big more! But, the little guy sometimes just needs a couple of thousand more to survive.

[@EricCarlson-bz2pt]

Why would turn down Monopoly money?

[@Luke-br1hr]

By God they'll dump as much money as they can into Ukraine, even paying for their farmers fuel seed and fertilizer. If you didn't have record yields this year you are damn near screwed.

[@robdorman8802]

agree!

[@drmodestoesq]

Ukraine is being invaded. And the US is destroying Russia's economy and military for couch change. And the American tax payer is going to save literally trillions due to finding out what weapons technology and methodologies work and which are a waste of tax dollars.

[@furryfurnace9601]

Get rid of property taxes for farmland!

[@Leslie-y9l]

If you have property, which farmland is, you need to taxes like everybody else.

[@drmodestoesq]

@@Leslie-y9l Churches don't have to pay taxes. That's why L. Ron Hubbard made Scientology into a religion.

[@durgan5668]

Shrug, maybe the environmentalists should pony up 'subsidies' to people not cutting down the rain forest in Brazil.

[@andyandlesliehawley6239]

Farmers need that money for their welfare . It's not a handout, it's a payment for poor decisions . There are more than two crops to plant, change the model.

[@DrFarmerKnight]

How about Nebraska volleyball Mackenzie?! GBR!

[@10-4-q6i]

Another sweeping 🧹👍

[@m87656]

We're sure on a roll... hopefully we can keep it going! I think we can get past Penn State, however, Pitt in the championship game is going to be a challenge!

[@GregElbert-ug9kt]

All of the hand will just end up in big business hands ag needs a reset in every thing

[@GrainMarketsandOtherStuff]

Good morning! Do US farmers need direct payments???

[@kevinnoah-i4o]

Heck No!! Quit buying High priced equipment and land. Just 2 years ago we had Record prices in grain. I need a new car. Yet nobody is going to help me. My wife and I both are fighting cancer. Yet we're both sol.

[@bertownie14]

Quit encouraging corn soybeans cotton and rice and force production of food and non commodity crops.

[@joekeusch5995]

​@@kevinnoah-i4ocouldn't have said it better myself!

[@dafarmer3721]

I had severe drought here in Woodbury County IA in 23 so a massive loss I just started farming in 2019 so this has bled over to 24 I’ve got a job paying 26hr just had 3 kids in that time. I have no cash to back me no rich grandparents or parents. Just me. So yes I do need money

[@lilblackduc7312]

Comment just to see if the "Ministry of Speech Correctness and Censorship" will delete it, again. 🤔😳

[@sandsock]

no payments, we need to stop subsizing city peoples abuility to eat. they need to be paying $8 for corn and $20 for beans and $16 for srw. if they want to say my land is worth $20k a acre to farm it, for funding their school district and county jobs. they need to pay for it or we go back to 1 acre='s 1 vote.

[@davehughesfarm7983]

Yep...even would take 6 dollar corn, 15 dollar beans

[@dschefers9700]

I’m not in favor of the payment. Payments push ag inflation long term.

[@brucebruhn5620]

But flip chore less been crying for it.

[@leegriep75]

As a farmer I don't agree with the payments.

[@rogersalyer3798]

I fear what retaliatory tariffs will do to our farming community.

[@drmodestoesq]

Brazil had a bumper crop of soybeans. That gives China huge leverage.

[@kurtkalenberg7454]

These ag groups should say they need the money for the Ukraine farmers not the US farmers & they'll get as much money as they want.

[@jimmy999-z2j]

Good morning.

[@XeroX-x6u]

Maybe cut taxes instead.

[@kansaskristi]

Unlikely to happen

[@Blazefork]

Ask the bankers

[@trentsprunger211]

If the farmers don't use this money, the government will More than likely use it somewhere else. How much money has been sent to the Ukraine? How much money has Ukrainian farmers received from the US? You could probably make a laundry list of government spending in areas that would make you very angry...

[@100acrewoodsman]

Give me a break. I’m sick of paying for this stuff. We are devaluing our currency when we hand out cash.

[@Bill-fx7zm]

I dont want any direct payments. Some just need to lean up a bit as i have had to.

[@beetfarmerbryce9916]

They failed to give us a modern farm bill again. We have watered-down risk management tools going into 2025. I vote yes on Farm Act payments.

[@Justin-e2h]

I believe the ones that said no are big well off wealthy farmers that never had to make it a day in their life. No land loans no equipment loans everything was handed to them. I think they’re spoiled brats. That daddy, or grandpa gave them everything.

[@mvanhasenheimer]

Definitely needed. 20b aid package is small potatoes comp to stock. Warren Buffett would be all over farming if there was a profit in it.

[@georgeheller2281]

Where are the payments for other industries, oh yeah there are none. Cut all bail outs, force better management.

[@DanNosbush]

U forgot big oil, it's said our military keeps them safe

[@drmodestoesq]

@@DanNosbush Not true. Trump is going to put a huge tariff on Canadian oil. Red Staters who voted for him are going to be looking at 6 buck a gallon gas.

[@kansaskristi]

Don’t kid yourself. Lots of industry gets subsidized one way or another. Military industrial complex, wind, solar, some would say ethanol, grants, etc.

[@lawrencestyskalstyskal9061]

We need direct payment because of floods and wind damage there is alot of circumstances everyone is in different boat marketing is not the problem mother nature rules the roost and crop insurance dont cover it all

[@bobearl7859]

Good if a farmer can't make it on what he produces then he's farming too much ground are buying too much expensive equipment the government should not subsidize

[@adamh3863]

No to direct payment. End subsidies while you’re at it.

[@Blackearthexcavationandtiling]

Subsidies are tax code .. deductions... so your saying zero tax deductions for every single thing, period- first good luck - second, tax code was designed to stimulate the economy in places that needed assistance

[@GerardFornwald]

Sure pay farmers to over produce, does anyone believe a free market?

[@RUSTYGOEBEL]

Need it very bad

[@schmelingfarm6016]

I'll take the cash, after working in this business for 25 years i don't care who pays me as long as i get paid

[@dafarmer3721]

GIVE ME MY FUCKIN MONEY! 😂

[@tomflint7392]

I would support direct payments.

[@scottsmith6631]

Direct payments to farmers only if proposed tariffs are actually implemented on specific commodities.

[@Blackearthexcavationandtiling]

The original trump tarrifs that triggered 'trump payments' are still in place- yet we no longer get trump payments... not sure why it takes addtional tarrifs to reactivate payments

[@warrenpost1502]

The ones against the payment will be the first to take it

[@drmodestoesq]

They won't be the first. They'll just say I'm not going to virtue signal to my neighbours by not taking it.

[@deere7227]

Help me! I am a poor marketer and must rely on my wonderful urban neighbors to bail me out thru my government.

[@davidkottman3440]

Or you live in a severe drought area & your crop insurance coverage declined with the prices...

[@hansreinhardt-e3e]

tariffs that are coming will insure lower prices for us and higher inputs

[@elliotthenderson2182]

Thank you for explaining why we say NO to the farm act

[@GhostRider-dp2tc]

American farmers, the welfare class...Farmers cost more money a year in subsadies than the usda spends on ebt

[@CoWrench]

It's very difficult to understand how all these Trump voters can support handouts for themselves when and at the same time claim no one else deserves anything I can guarantee no one will raise a finger to help my business it would be different if we were all in this together but that's not the case

[@dalepetersen1166]

Trump needs the bailout money for his crypto reserve. Sorry guys😢

[@drmodestoesq]

And Trump says he 's gonna drop the hammer on any country that tries to challenge US dollar hegemony.....and then he says he a Crypto-bro. If any currency is gonna challenge the US dollar it's gonna be Bitcoin not the Russian Ruble....which is rubble.

[@thofer6002]

hell no call your fn congressman . These prices could be the norm, then what?

[@kurtleimkuehler]

Debt spiral and u still want free sh. Wtf?