INDYCAR FOLLOWING F1'S 'LEAD'? Opinions on the New Indycar Charter System

[@AidanMillward]

In unrelated news, has anyone got an inhaler? That was hard work.

[@nowind37]

if you make the oreca 07 vid i give you a inhaler

[@clansome]

Yup got several, both blue & brown. Kept getting them on my free script. Most are even in date still !!

[@AidanMillward]

@@clansome blue and pink gang rise up.

[@VonBlade]

@@AidanMillward Yep. Odd how it used to be brown and now it's pink. Although the one-handed design of the pink one is engineering at its finest.

[@ibex485]

Hopefully all this rain will help clean the air. 🤞 Air pollution/hayfeaver sufferers unite...

[@davidg9210]

FYI, 33 for Indy is because "back in the day" (after the Inaugural 1911 race) the Contest Board at the AAA did a formula. Length of Indianapolis divided by 400 feet per car equaled 33 cars. (From Jalopnik "Here's Why the Indianapolis 500 Has A 33 Car Starting Grid").

[@mrterp04]

I recently learned that reading Paul Page’s autobiography

[@MrSaywutnow]

I did some calculations involving (spit) imperial units, and it checks out. Curse every cubic centimetre of my heart.

[@elbeto191291]

I like how you're talking about the controversy for the next years of the category and the background video is a massive crash with a car literally stuck on a fence. Feels poetic

[@tadroid3858]

It's hilarious. So, we Americans complain about Andretti's treatment in F1, and Penske/IMS/Indycar go about setting up a similar system. BRAVO!!

[@devinmackey83]

We American IndyCar fans hate IndyCar charters too

[@AidanMillward]

I know Americans don’t get irony but this takes the fucking piss. 🤣

[@apophisstr6719]

"What an asshole, I like it."

[@ibex485]

@@AidanMillward Irony... that's like goldy or silvery but made out of iron, right? 🤠

[@seveneleven1344]

From what I understand, the charter system that F1 has wasn't the issue. Andretti was prepaired to buy their way in, but they were blocked by F1's owners. We still don't know if that was legal, but theoreticlally, the same thing could have already happened in Indycar.

[@hemidenis]

I truly enjoy listen to you in the USA while working as an electrician. Just like have a friend talking to me about good stuff!!

[@Ramtamtama]

Aidan, don't push yourself to produce content when you're ill. We'll still be here a few days later and your opinion will be just as valid.

[@danielhenderson8316]

From my understanding, Penske owning the charters is to prevent a hostile takeover by someone like Liberty Media giving team owners oodles of cash. The 27 car limit is 2 fold. 1) Some tracks like Mid Ohio and Toronto are limited to about 27-28 cars in pit lane, so the 80's F1 comment if spot on. 2) Both Chevy and Honda are maxed out for full time engine leases at 14 and 13 teams. Unlike F1 vs. Andretti, there's plenty of engines to accept Andretti Global, except F1 says no. A full time engine lease covers 4 engine per car, so Chevy/Illmor had to make a minimum of 56 engines while Honda USA is making 52. That's not including Indy 500 one offs or Honda teams blowing up engines. Without a 3rd engine manufacturer that is badly needed, limiting the number of cars outside off the Indy 500 is irrelevant because you can't race a Dallara if you don't have an engine. 3) The "profit sharing" is basically the "Leader's Circle" payoff. The TL;DR is the Top 22 cars in the championship gets an IndyCar "welfare" payout of $1 million to help with budgets. It's about a tenth of what's needed for a full season. The other part is that even with the charter, it's still the Top 22 getting a Leaders Circle payout leaving 3 charter teams still getting nothing. If this Fox deal succeeds as much everyone is hoping, then the issues in this video becomes an issue. If it doesn't, then this charter become a life support system for the series.

[@Amber_Hawkins]

This makes a lot more sense after reading this to be honest. Mind you I do hope Indycar finds success, if they make it hopefully we'll see that manufacturer interest go up. Toyota's been expanding all over the place in motorsports recently, so would be nice to perhaps see them have another crack.

[@ILSRWY4]

I'm more pissed they are adding a street race in Dallas, than adding a charter system. Another Damn street race?? Seriously?

[@anthonyhastings5961]

Thanks for another great video. Indy 500 has 33 starters because they want 400 feet per car. 33 x 400 = 13,200 feet / 3 = 4,400 yards / 1760 = 2.5 miles

[@testicat8462]

This is catastrophic. The IndyCar heads almost never listen to fans. Like they were totally surprised the last 2 oval races this season were successes when everyone was literally begging for more ovals races

[@RRaquello]

The sport was taken over by sports car guys in the seventies, some of whom are still around. They failed with their ventures like Can-Am and moved into IndyCar and have tried for 50 years to turn it into Can-Am or a baby version of F1. They're rather go broke than give up their dream of forcing American race fans to like their version of racing.

[@IndyCarFanatic]

Yes. This. Very, very much this.

[@minibus9]

great video, hopefully they will increase the maxmum number of entrents because other wise they can't exapnad very easily

[@d.d.7287]

You bring up good points about what will happen when Prema gets chartered, but at that point, the current system will have expired and can be ratified if needed. People are kinda freaking out about this and I have mixed feelings myself. However, its not like teams are beating down the door to join IndyCar, and even if Penske does get the series to that point where multiple teams want to join it's going to be at least 3 or 4 years down the road. By that time the current system will be halfway over.

[@eoincassin4265]

There will never been a time where IndyCar isnt fucking itself.

[@F_r_a_n_y]

You forgot to mention the F2 GOAT Sean Gelael also drove for Prema

[@nomar5spaulding]

I really enjoy how you toss in little aviation bits here and there.

[@mikehipperson]

It's effectively a closed shop like F1 has become. No new teams unless an existing team decides to sell their franchise.

[@AG-fs8yn]

It’s different from that. Other entries will always be allowed, just not be guaranteed a spot

[@joefratianni8693]

@@AG-fs8yn Yes it is unless they offer more charters. Sure I can come play, but there's no real return on long term investment to do it and its not going to grow unless they allow for it. Its a good start but they need to allow for potential growth and it looks like they haven't, yet anyway.

[@IndyCarFanatic]

​​​@@joefratianni8693The Charter system was intentionally having to cap the number of teams/cars the series will have. This artificial demand is supposed to drive up value for those in the Charter system. Though I disagree.

[@joefratianni8693]

@@IndyCarFanatic Yeah I get that, I just think it's a fundamental mistake. The crowds are still low, the racing is ok but the cars sound dull and the series lost a lot of the base that would have brought their kids 15 years ago, so those kids never became the next gen fans. It needs interest and low cost, this is the opposite.

[@IndyCarFanatic]

@@joefratianni8693 Yeah. It's sad.

[@TheJudge2017]

Keep going with other content outside F1. In general I just love your videos

[@rexthewolf3149]

13:34 Who ever that was, nice driving lol.

[@AidanMillward]

The red car got stuck and just started swaying in the wind. It was glorious.

[@yhelloh]

AND STING RAY RISES AGAIN!!!

[@TrueSonOfWalhall]

straight up murder

[@conors4430]

Surprise surprise, a competition turns into a cartel, while continuing to brand itself as a competition. A tail as old as time.

[@DiogeneDeSin0pe]

At some point, Indy feels like they just trow sh*t at the wall & see what sticks.

[@IndyCarFanatic]

Replace the word "wall" with the word "fans"

[@mrhatty0514]

NASCAR fans be like "First time?"

[@2005StangMan]

In terms of marketing, yes, F1 is definitely better. IC’s racing is leagues better, but the marketing is terrible. Hopefully their new TV deal will help, but Penske has a lot of work to do.

[@RRaquello]

IndyCar has always been that way. It's always been run by Teutonic Midwesterners who were good at and got rich running meat markets and baking powder mills but could never figure out how to run a professional sport and only managed to survive because the Indy 500 was too big to ruin.

[@IndyCarFanatic]

The new TV deal does not include any revenue-sharing provisions. The money goes straight to Penske Entertainment. Then again they deal is only,in the tens of millions--a paltry sum

[@D3Vlicious]

I believe under the new Concorde, new teams in F1 can get part of the pot. Which is why they don't want Andretti in.

[@AGB_HDV]

Another Quality Production

[@Dat-Mudkip]

At least this isn’t like NASCAR trying to force teams to sign _their_ charter system without giving the teams time to actually read it.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yeah that was very low

[@seveneleven1344]

People are hyper focused on what this means for the fans when it's not supposed to mean anything to them. This is a deal between Indycar and it's teams. The teams get somthing with tangible value that will grow as the sport grows, and Indycar get's happy, invested teams and partners.

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

And we slowly see teams wither away and 2-3 dominate teams with 1 that has an advantage over the other 2-3. All while the others are just showpieces. Yeah sounds like it’ll be great for fans bro, sounds very fucking cool

[@RRaquello]

"As the sport grows"? You mean "if the sport grows". I've been following it since the 70s and have seen it do nothing but shrink, in popularity, in appeal and in the attention it gets from the public. The Indy 500 used to annually get the cover of Sports Illustrated, before or/and after the race, when that still meant something, and even previews in something as un-sports related as TV Guide, which was then the magazine with the widest circulation in the country. Nowadays, besides people in Indiana and a few thousand dedicated IndyCar fans, even knows who won the race?

[@seveneleven1344]

@@TheTotallyRealXiJinping, I don't think it's good for the fans. I sure don't like the sound of it, but the decision was made to keep those parties happy, not us. The series is nothing without it's fans, but it's not much without it's teams and sponsors ether. This news should have ben paired with something to make fans happy, but it wasn't. Hopefully that's not because IndyCar doesn't have good news or reassurances down the pipeline.

[@patmanbnl]

Love the obscure BNL lyric reference!

[@hecksters423]

Prema is to IndyCar as Andretti is to F1

[@DrewBlankMusic]

Great point about chartered cars not qualifying for their guaranteed spot.

[@趙祖睿]

Unlike F1, Indycar is sad but inevitably has to do the charter system because they don't have the same scale as F1

[@GreaseVision]

Something I've said about the NASCAR charter system for years is I'm totally fine with a team purchasing their way into a revenue stream as long as two things happen: Make it make financial sense for non-chartered teams to race and don't guarantee every single car a spot on the grid. Indycar has potentially found that balance but they also never send cars home from a race anyway, so why "guarantee" the chartered teams into most races if they were already in most of the races.

[@MattMuir72]

I imagine it's gonna work almost identically to NASCAR's system. If you're chartered and you bin it in Q you still race, and it's one of the "open" entries that gets sent home if the field is over capacity. If you're not part of the club and you want a piece of the big prize pool you have to buy a spot from someone else. Fans mostly hate it, partly because they think it keeps out smaller/startup teams, partly because one of the biggest proponents of it it was a disgruntled team owner searching for a golden parachute when his organization folded. The real question is whether or not the sport is healthier because of it, and without looking at a team's balance sheet I don't think any of us NASCAR fans who complain about charters can have a truly informed take on it. The charter agreement drama this year definitely shows it isn't all sunshine and roses behind the scenes, though. Since Penske owns a NASCAR team and would be familiar with the ins and outs of a system like this I want to believe there's sound judgement at play, but Indycar also has a revolver permanently trained on its own feet, so who knows.

[@pchico5035]

1980’s vid idea: Zakspeed and their final season in F1 with Yamaha

[@camrsr5463]

Prema sticking around!? Lmao!

[@RRaquello]

Maybe they think building an IndyCar team is a step to moving into F1.

[@MrSniperfox29]

Correct me if I'm wrong Andretti can indeed enter the F1 world championship after they got permission from the FIA, FOM/Liberty/The ghost from Christmas past is basically said "well yeah, but we won't give you any prize money for it" Meanwhile in IndyCar, yes you can enter our races, but you'll get bumped off if we have more important cars out there and you don't get any prize money Or something to that effect.

[@rexthewolf3149]

Yes, in F1 there is a possibility for new teams even if it’s very, very difficult. In Indy it’s now either get a charter or don’t bother.

[@ibex485]

Spot on x2. There's provision for 12 teams in the F1 Concorde Agreement. The obstacles for entry are paying a hefty 'anti-dilution' fee and (new for the current agreement) the existing teams agreeing. The deal Liberty sold to the existing teams is in return for the larger/older teams (well, the teams F1 couldn't afford to let go off and form a new championship) like Ferrari, RBR, McLaren... (Williams got a little bit too) giving up the extra 'Bernie money' they get just for being there, agreeing to a more equitable distribution of the money and the budget cap, Liberty in exchange would adopt a 'franchise' (closed shop) model which would make their teams more valuable. (F1 is a show now, not a sport. Best not to comment on what kind of show it is... 💩) [Ferrari's extra Bernie money ensure that for around four decades(?) they received the most money from ther commercial rights holder, even if they finished last in the championship.] But once you're in, you're in - a full member, with full commercial rights money paid from end of year two (iirc) based on where you finish in the constructors. Far more of a meritocracy than before. [Before the current Concorde Agreement, since the end of the '90s the barrier to entry was convincing Max & Bernie you deserve a go and paying a large deposit which would be gradually paid back - to ensure you were serious and had the money to cover your first season or so. They got sick and tired of hopeless entries turning up and running around miles off the pace, the teams Aidan's made videos about. Of course they made a mess of that by picking new entries for 2010 who agreed to use Bernie's Cosworth engines, and overlooking the best prepared candidates who had already signed engine agreements with existing manufacturers. Yay for F1 politics - squeezing out the independents to bring in manufacturers, then fighting to break the manufacturers power... even after most of them left because {spoiler} they can't all win the world title.]

[@MrSniperfox29]

@@ibex485 We saw with the demise of Prost/Minardi that F1 was desperately trying to dance to the tune of the manufacture teams and didn't care about independents, only for a market crash to see the manufacture teams up and leave and suddenly F1 was left with nobody

[@ibex485]

@@MrSniperfox29 Well put. Even without the global financial crash, manufacturers were on the verge of pulling out. Renault were already gone, Honda was on the verge of going. As for BMW & Toyota... they were going anyway unless they won in 2009, I reckon. And they couldn't both win. (BMW abandoned 2008 midway through even though Kubica was in the running for the championship, because the plan was to win in 2009. That's when kers would come in and marketing had it all planned, to tie in nicely with their new 'hybrid' road cars.) The irony is 'Honda' did win in 2009, but had already left. xD

[@brokentuskclan1795]

I like the idea of Drivers competing against their own business, like in NASCAR where Hamlin (JGR) lost to Reddick in a 23XI.

[@eamonahern7495]

I opted out of formula 1 this year because I haven't been able to watch a race in years and they shut the door on new teams even with Andretti's racing pedigree. If Indycar goes that way along with their terrible marketing and promotion, I don't see it being very appealing outside the states. I'm glad WEC and IMSA are going through a golden era right now. I was able to tune in to the Fuji and Indy races live. That's where motorsport is at for me right now.

[@frankshaffer7645]

Indy has 33 because the rows are 3 wide, not 2. 11 rows of 3.

[@theragingdolphinsmaniac4696]

Yes but it was the original requirement of 400 feet of track per car

[@ibex485]

Guaranteeing the chartered teams an entry, fine. But guaranteeing them a spot on the grid, even if they're slower than entrants which didn't qualify... Here we go again, Indycar's next long slow attempt to destroy itself.

[@skyewarren79]

What Indycar should do is give the charters, but have grid sizes based on pit lane size (or 33 for the Indy 500). So the 25 chartered teams get their automatic entry but still lets more cars come. So say if 34 show up to Portland (a track who had a 28 car field last season) then say 28 make the race (I assume the pits have more space because NASCAR races 36-38 when they go). But like Toronto has a 27 car pit lane, so the race could only have 27 start (which this also makes me think either adopt split group practice before qualifying or do someghing like NASCAR where cars aren’t lined up in the pit box as normal but instead sort of angle parked for practice).

[@kidneyfailure4620]

Every closed "cool kids only" club is destined to be doomed in a long run.

[@rexthewolf3149]

Tell that to NFL and NBA

[@AidanMillward]

@@rexthewolf3149 they at least have franchise expansions every so often.

[@joshanderson9391]

F1 seems to be going fine to be fair but agree I wish Indy wasn’t doing this

[@IndyCarFanatic]

I'll start by saying I hate Charters and they're dumb. With that said: IndyCar is trying to do 3 things at once: #1: weed out Dale Coyne Racing. A specific clause in the charter affectionately dubbed "The Dale Coyne Rule" puts a cap on the number of drivers for each entered car during a season. I think the cap is 3. Behind the scenes, Roger Penske does not much approve of the driver by committee approach. #2 Artificially create a demand for teams/sponsors to join (If you build it, they will come--assuming you know this series exists). In this case, The Series and the team owners hope to get a measurable value in dollars to use as a bargaining chip when the FOX TV rights deal expires in 2027. ****Charters carry no revenue-sharing clause from TV or media rights. Whatever money IndyCar got from their new deal goes straight into Penske's pocket.**** #3 Penske codifies his control within the paddock.

[@danielhenderson8316]

8:25 No, NASCAR win the spilt. Everyone else lost.

[@mrterp04]

Agreed. And NASCAR didn’t just win, it went light years ahead of open wheel racing. At some point i think all three national touring series (Cup, Busch/Nationwide/Xfinity, Trucks) were ahead of IndyCar in ratings and popularity.

[@danielhenderson8316]

@@mrterp04 I don't think the Truck series overtook them, but I don't think it was until NBC got the rights that IndyCar overtook Nationwide/Xfinity on a regular basis.

[@theragingdolphinsmaniac4696]

The 33 cars at indy has to do with the original sanctioning body’s requirement of 400 feet of track for each car entered for safety reasons. Early races has much bigger number of cars (like 50 or 60).

[@ElliotNovess-g5s]

Owner points not driver points determine the leader circle program. The drivers points graphic is confusing

[@ATEC101]

I guess you forgot about the engine manufacturers ACTUALLY determining the size of the grid. You can have 100 charters but what engine?

[@IndyCarFanatic]

Penske is part owner of Ilmor Engineering who produce the "Chevrolet" engines for the series. Theoretically they could field engines/power units for the whole series--at a massive loss

[@alecerdmann8505]

I don't like the charters, but it could've been worse. The one way I wish they'd go back to the '90s is opening up chassis building. I'm not saying that each team should build it's own chassis like Formula 1, but put out a formula and let Lola, Dallara, and whoever else build to the formula and have the teams buy whichever they think is better. Or teams could build their own too, if they want to, like Penske did back in the '90s when most other teams were using Lolas or Reynards. I also recall there being a much better marketing structure in the early '90s, but perhaps that is just rose-colored glasses.

[@Eagleracer38x]

IDK, I think they could have a good thing coming, but only 27 cars race might be too few cars with where things could go. But, Honda wanting out, because it's not 'cost-effective' now could mean IndyCar flops.

[@socalraven17]

I desperately want to like Indy car as an American… but I just can’t enjoy it as much as F1 and NASCAR. I will admit that I’ve been watching more since Romain arrived there though.

[@garrettkohl2497]

The old boys club is getting old and they need to create some artificial scarcity before they sell their teams. But that's not the same as keeping people out. In fact it encourages investment in teams at the introduction of the charters in the expectation that the value will grow. I think that's a fair trade. PREMA or Pratt Miller or Abel or HMD can all invest in a team's operations as partners or buy out a team if they're serious enough.

[@scottmcneely1927]

Ricardo Juncos is also from Argentina

[@321-Gone]

cost cap is making a bigger impact than the new regs in F1. imo

[@nolancain8792]

3:00 Hmmm.. this sounds familiar to almost 30 years ago.

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

Started watching in 2020, will stop watching as soon as this goes on effect.

[@LucasOliveira-tt2ll]

I just wish that Sauber/Audi could take Palou away and let other people win, preferentially without fuel saving

[@TeeRollss]

It's hard to criticize Indy Car not letting more than 27 cars race when F1 won't let one of the largest car manufacturers on the planet on the grid. The excuse of the track being too packed just doesn't cut it when you look at the era when they were allowing Marussia, Catherham, and USF1 (if it wasn't still born) to join the grid. This said, the chartering of cars is BS and letting a team have more than 2 cars is even more BS.

[@RRaquello]

The funny thing is they're all following Tony George now, F1, NASCAR, IndyCar. Their charter systems, or whatever they want to call it, are all merely embroideries on Tony's original 25/8 scheme. Everyone screamed about it when Tony brought it in and called him all kinds of nasty names, but they're all following his example. It is also a strange eccentricity of the Indy Car world that they'll sneer at a dirt car racer like Kyle Larson and laugh at the idea of offering him an opportunity to drive, but when he becomes a name in NASCAR they'll soil their drawers in excitement over the prospect of him racing in the 500 because then they'll finally have a driver that anyone wants to watch.

[@nowind37]

where is the Oreca 07 Vid

[@matthewsallman1700]

Pretty much agree with you on all points. This looks very bad. I've been following Indy and F1 since the mid 70s. I don't have any problem with F1 going after young fans. They need it to continue into the future. IndyCar doesn't seem to get this. They are satisfied to race for tiny crowds and, as you say, don't do enough to promote their races. Whether on TV or in person. Very frustratig.

[@dustypilgrimmedia8423]

Well... usac silvercrown is the only Championship Auto Racing Car (Champ car) series left worth following. You can't just enter because you have a car and be on a level playing field this reduces the potential depth of field by definition. Charters are dumb.

[@pumakam]

It's been months since Indycar announced this was coming along with the revenue sharing, I still don't get what it's trying to accomplish. With Nascar and F1 with their whole closed system and charter system you're getting TV money that comes along with being there and having a charter, but I don't know why a series that wants to grow and show itself in the best light is chaining itself down and not allowing anybody new in. If you want to be a top series you have to have the best of the best there and wanting to race there... but now you're not allowing anybody to come in and challenge the old guard (even if things like money, infrastructure, etc. prevent that from happening anyway). It doesn't really make any sense

[@RRaquello]

They're hoping that the charters themselves become valuable, like franchises in the stick & ball sports. If even teams in the downtrodden NHL are being valued at a billion dollars, I think these racing series have those kinds of dreams in mind. Formula One will get there if they're not already there but it's laughable to think IndyCar will.

[@_GuestFive]

I’ve never understood how the cars per team rules in Indycar work. So I’m not going to pretend to know why this is so controversial other than the threat of this being another “closed shop”. Hopefully the comment section can for that out for me

[@oxcart4172]

13:34 WTH happened??

[@robertjohnson3514]

I feel like some form of charter system is a neccesary evil in todays world. That being said, i dont like their approach to it. I wish there were stipulations under which the car count could be raised (similar to F1) with a theoretical meximum of, say, 30 charters. Also, i think it would be cool to have a wildcard entry system like the Repco Supercars series has

[@RRaquello]

One thing about IndyCar is that you only have to wait before the rules change again. Unlike F1, I don't think they're in a position to demand anything of anybody.

[@christiangaitan2267]

I don’t know. I really have this bad feeling about it this charter systems is going to be disaster.

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

Why build a car if I know I can't race?

[@AidanMillward]

@@GregBrownsWorldORacing technically you don’t have to build one. Just buy it.

[@AidanMillward]

@@GregBrownsWorldORacing technically you don’t have to build one. Just buy it.

[@413TomaccoRoad]

They're following NASCAR's lead really.

[@Milton_Valenzuela]

IndyCar is actually thinking about reducing the grid to just 25 cars in the future, so who knows if Prema's days are numbered already I'm glad that there are no locked in spots for the 500, but other than that, the charter system further promotes stagnation, not growth

[@jeffreydanilko6657]

Not a good way to welcome Prema to Indycar. Your excited to a have major European racing team involved but don't share the prize pool.

[@ibex485]

I agree, sounds a lot like Penske are reserving the right to do whatever they like in the future - decide who is and isn't allowed to join their party, even if they buy a ticket from another team. At the very least they are effectively retaining the 'freehold' on the charters. Maybe they only mean charters will revert back to Penske if a team leaves or folds. But if that is the case, their choice of words is very poor. It would be far clearer (& more honest) if they had adopted the principle that the teams are leasing their charters from Penske (10 years, 100 years... whatever) and can trade them to new entrants, but only with Penske's approval.

[@danielhenderson8316]

It's more a defense to prevent someone like Liberty Media buying out every team in a hostile takeover of the series instead of the F1 country club system.

[@ibex485]

@@danielhenderson8316 But if nobody is allowed to hold more than 3 charters (3 cars), then that would not be possible anyway. In any case, buying a charter is only buying an entry, not a share of owning Indycar.

[@mrterp04]

2:35 “So Paul, this federal agent comes up to me and goes, ‘uhhhh ya got any gum?’”

[@iamsioth]

Oh ffs, not indy too...

[@senorsoupe]

Ugh, Indycar is addicted to shooting itself in the foot. I am sure this is just dandy for the existing team owners but as a fan I hate it

[@PaperBanjo64]

If IndyCar actually marketed the series and not just the 500 it would be bigger than NASCAR the racing was amazing all season NASCAR has been bad most of this season.

[@TheriusO94]

Sadly NASCAR still the pinnacle of American Racing

[@PaperBanjo64]

@TheriusO94 yeah but if IndyCar was marketed right NASCAR would lose most of the already dwindling fanbase they got

[@ryutenken1]

No offense sounds like American Bias again Prema. Nah i am joking though i don't get the charter system.

[@rogerknapman1260]

I can't help from being pessimistic. It's not just this series, but auto racing in general being doomed. When I picked up the interest in the 1980s, there was not much competition for my eyeballs. TV on Sunday afternoons had only this one shining star. Now, there's no way you can accidentally discover racing while channel surfing, you need to go to great lengths to subscribe to the right channel or sports package. I think we're all done with TV. Cordcutters & several streaming services etc. I don't think anyone under 40 has a TV, let alone a cable/satellite package. 2023 was a decent TV compromise for me. All the road-course and street-course races were on free NBC free over-the-air. The boring oval races were available the next day in a 30-minute recap on KZbin.

[@VonBlade]

I watch rather than just listen. You've gone to the effort of putting it all together, I owe it to you to pay attention. As for your questions, It's Penske. "Sorry we had illegal restart software, please look the other way" Penske. "Oh no Will Power is a lap down let's throw out a caution for literally nothing and give him a lap back to keep the title fight alive" Penske. "Yes you can sell the charter but I'll - for no reason at all - take the cream off the top Mr 20%" Penske. Plus, let's not kid ourselves, RLL or Juncos aren't exactly adding anything to the sport beyond cars on the grid. They're the Larrouse of Indycar. The Charter system has worked so well in NASCAR with higher audiences, bigger TV ratings and tighter racing, of course Indycar will want to copy it /s

[@mattt525]

This actually sounds like a response/message to F1. Like yeah, this how it should be done guys.

[@marcellakilgarriff]

I'm not sure F1 is looking at indycar to see how things should be done tbh.

[@mattt525]

@@marcellakilgarriff I'm refering to Andretti trying to join.

[@marcellakilgarriff]

@mattt525 yeah I get that but I'm saying it's a bit pointless if this is a response to that because F1 is not going to notice. I am a huge fan of both F1 and indycar so I hope I don't come across as dismissive but F1 is not looking at indycar for tips. Also I am hoping I'm wrong but I have huge reservations about this charter system tbh.

[@mattt525]

@@marcellakilgarriff oh no I agree with you. F1 definitely has a certain aversion to Americans in their sport. Its blatantly obvious. But I would agree F1 doesn't care. Indy needs to work on pulling f1's fanbase

[@marcellakilgarriff]

@mattt525 it's such a marketable series, it's a shame they don't promote it really at all

[@GJR44]

are they really copying the second worst thing on current day NASCAR???

[@mpf1947]

Third worst; they aren't instituting stage cautions.

[@GJR44]

@@mpf1947 fair point, it's just I was counting stage cautions as a bundle with the entire playoffs system

[@mrterp04]

5:41 some things will never channnge

[@anonincognito617]

First 1:52

[@AidanMillward]

You beat the bots. Nice.