Inexperienced Climber Begs Others to Save Her During Mount Everest Descent | Shriya Shah Analysis

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[@Sealoctopus]

I once saw an interview with a Mt. Everest survivor who suffered severe frostbite, he said “As long as you don’t have anyone who cares about you and won’t grieve the loss of your life, then go ahead and climb Mt. Everest, otherwise it’s not for you.”

[@carmeneckmann8681]

How sad 😢

[@scottdavidson526]

It must've been Blake Weathers.

[@auntymarushkafah]

Beck, not blake.

[@marielleo4715]

Yes,but she practiced she was konsequent.She did not give up! She was on her way to live her dream.

[@VMUDream]

@@marielleo4715 She was dumb and killed herself, Way to ruin her husbands life over nothing

[@johnhill4964]

"Reaching the summit is optional, getting back down is mandatory." Words from some wise old climber.

[@piiinkDeluxe]

Oh, this is great

[@ytang5615]

Love your comment.

[@ggsupreme4063]

Seems like it's the opposite.

[@frankkolton1780]

The author of that quote was guide Rob Hall.

[@ParkS9321]

​@@frankkolton1780 "do as i say and not as i do" in his case...

[@Mr_Rob_otto]

The Sherpa strongly advised her against climbing Everest “mostly because of the dying part.” 😂

[@totilujan]

Very Norm Macdonald! 😂

[@Dan-xx5jq]

there is a clear video clip of her in her final moments. The sherpas were scolding her and cursing her to stand up in the Nepali language. She struggles but cannot stand up. Sadly those were her last moments.

[@estherdmartinez1346]

Very Sherpy of them but REAL

[@SigmaSigmaSigmaJgirl]

😂

[@vejet]

Kinda like life right? 🤔

[@MG-ot2yr]

That crowded line of people on Everest is as bad as waiting in line for a theme park ride. No thanks.

[@marybarry2230]

And I would gladly wait in double the line at a theme park then half that line for Everest

[@brendajohnson9798]

For $100K 😢😅

[@simbalantana4572]

It's not always a line like that. A wise and experienced expedition leader will hopefully be able to time his summit bid based on weather and crowding factors.

[@lindymcdonald8945]

My neighbour died on Everest and he was actually a guide who took people up the mountain ..So it shows that even an experienced climber can still die on the mountain ,and he died of altitude sickness

[@Robert_Truth_Robertson]

*Why can't a Person, just Go to One of those (EarLy Zones wut ever they are CaLLed) & then say Horray!!!*

[@tchris8561]

Most of the dead bodies left up there were that of experienced climbers. This inexperienced woman was reckless, to say the least.

[@lindymcdonald8945]

You mean base camp .Base camp is also very high up as well and people can die there too

[@ctaylor8003]

This is a lie. Only local sherpas are allowed to be Everest guides. You can't even go to base camp without a permit and a local sherpa. There are no western guides.

[@Dinan5iver2]

At least he had the ability and experience to be on the mountain, she had none. This was your neighbor’s employment whereas this woman lost her life in pursuit of a hobby. Foolish.

[@MathildaFlow]

When she said “save me” she was saying “risk your life for my sake because I refused to do so myself”.

[@evonne315]

Really, do they think Sherpas are immune to death? Or worse, they are completely expendable.

[@TiffWaffles]

If somebody told me 'hey, I think it's for the best that you turn around because if you don't you're going to die', you bet that I'd be doing what they told me to do. This woman had a whole team of people telling her to do just that because she didn't have enough oxygen, but she refused to listen.

[@sylviekins]

@@evonne315I know, that would be the worst thing, tracing their lives as expendable.

[@Suedetussy]

I couldn’t agree more.

[@pamelamls]

There were sherpas telling her to come down. She had spent 6 hours in the summit. Climbers don't do that, they normally reach the summit, spend a few minutes there and go back down. She spent a whole 6 hours there until her oxygen tank ran out.

[@schneewitschen101]

I saw a poster that said something like, “every corpse on Mount Everest used to be highly motivated, so maybe calm down”. Seems to hit a little too hard today.

[@piiinkDeluxe]

Especially since calming down uses up less oxygen lol

[@Slla-th5vt]

One problem is all the feel-good motovational courses that screams that you just need to be motivated to do anything. If they pick something like win the Olympics, then they can easily see the flaw in that reasoning.

[@petergriffiinbirdistheword]

One of the most dangerous things a person can do is deny their own limitations. I feel like she was one of those kids who took the "you can be anything" line too seriously.

[@joemachine4714]

"Bad@$$ boss babe"

[@alisona9342]

She might have been able to do it, if she had you know, learned to climb mountains before trying to climb arguably the most dangerous mountain.

[@lorgerdat]

Very common with modern feminist ideology. Sadly the mountain doesn’t care.

[@RavenMobile]

Accountability is their kryptonite.

[@Phoenixthebest]

​@alisonadkins9342 yea, not only that, but also learning many other things like carrying stuff, cautiously use her oxygen etc

[@j.kelley1685]

Taking out a second mortgage to attempt a life-threatening Expedition is so selfish. So she's dead and now her husband has two mortgages to pay. Good job Sharia

[@user-ft8bf7yb8o]

Maybe he should have put his foot down? My husband respects and encourages my autonomy until he realizes I am being reckless.

[@nutzhazel]

​@@user-ft8bf7yb8oThat would be very oppressive coz she's not a white woman remember?

[@weaveandwelfaretookblackme]

Lol males do the same everyday she was following them

[@gilbertopadilla3611]

​@@user-ft8bf7yb8o I have to do the same thing to my wife when she gets out of control. Sometimes women let their emotions get the better of them. I wish I had the money to send her away for a few months to get fixed, but that's life for you.

[@hombrenuevoacts1728]

Life insurance

[@user-user-user-user.]

Anyone ever notice that when they list the people that have summited Mt. Everest they never mention any of the dozens if not hundreds of Sherpas that have also made the summit carrying everyone’s crap?

[@lunam7249]

there is a master list which does name the sherpas....it is important and very sacred to thier culture, the top of everest is the doorway to g-d

[@user-user-user-user.]

@@lunam7249 Okay. But why aren’t they given the same reverence in western culture?

[@sharlenelopez2033]

I think it's pretty well known that not to many people at all can conquer Everest without the sherpas.

[@LathropLdST]

​@@user-user-user-user.Because blahblablah racism. Hillary did name Tenzin Norghay. The first honored his sherpa. Why would the arrogant t￦@t$ of today do the same?

[@joshuagibson1307]

@@user-user-user-user.guessing you never heard of nims purja.

[@lunam7249]

the number 1 cause of death on everest is not respecting that "just barely makeing it to the top", means in reality YOUR ONLY HALFWAY!!!!

[@muffinsdawg]

*you're

[@Master...deBater]

Yeah... but it's all downhill from there! 😊

[@muffinsdawg]

@@Master...deBater lol

[@conspiracyeyes1682]

This needs to be higher. Getting to the TOP IS HALF THE BATTLE. Literally. You just climbed the highest mountain in the world, and must fight against exhaustion, oxygen supplies, and exertion to finish THE OTHER HALF.

[@lunam7249]

@@Master...deBater you fantisize that you can ski down, already been tried = 3 fatalities

[@chrisgilling543]

Raging narcissist meets her demise. “It’s all about me, me, me” never ends well.

[@petergriffiinbirdistheword]

I'm only 2 minutes in and I see the red flags... Lots of it.

[@scottnelson2384]

everyone on that mountain is a "raging narcissist". There is no other reason to be there. Sandy was just another victim of irresponsible guides string of irresponsible decisions and poor communication.

[@PopeMindless]

Sometimes ends well for the individual, but never for society.

[@supermopar7497]

Roger that

[@Uhohlisa]

Jesus Christ you people are hateful

[@smithbry2000]

I watched a show about people who were climbing Mt. Everest and the head of a guide company told the climbers if they didn't listen to their Sherpas he would order them to leave them on the mountain - they weren't being paid to die.

[@chrisb.4323]

Very interesting.

[@frostyascent1295]

i respect the two younger and less experienced sherpas carried her as far down as they physically could even after they gave an extra oxygen tank and told her to leave the summit they stayed with her until the very last moment

[@AG-en5y]

Wow. I didn't know that part. God bless them

[@jms5752]

Thanks for sharing this. There are still people who have honor, integrity, and compassion out there, Something this lady obviously lacked.

[@gemmalfirefly4287]

@@jms5752 and most of those people are not in government, and they’re not in any part type of position of power, and that’s the problem with the world people lack accountability on top of the corrupted heart, that only hunger for more power and more money

[@jimmcneal5292]

Yep, when listening to the story I was kinda worried about them

[@purpleonart4736]

Sherpa should not...if helping is risky, stay away !

[@HatBilly2008]

My father told me long ago this, “ don’t do stupid things. Don’t be around stupid people. Don’t go to stupid places. Flow these simple rules and you will live a very long time. My father was a amazing man😂

[@AbdullahPubctureWale]

Indeed

[@JmO-ee1bi]

My Vietnam vet friend says “stupid people will get you killed”, and this lady should’ve realized she was a stupid person likely to get herself killed, but stupid is as stupid does.

[@aliensoup2420]

Yet he failed to define 'stupid'. Everyone thinks the other guy is stupid.

[@IsabelnoReally]

The owner giving her one more container of oxygen was nice, especially since it could have jeopardized their own descent.

[@morbidnesa]

😅

[@stephenc2481]

He shouldn't have, because now, she has another reason to keep pushing forward.

[@alvin4100]

Is this a joke?

[@tanyabrown9839]

@@stephenc2481 maybe he was one of the others who died

[@franzoidle7002]

My Uncle had a saying, “I prefer the view of the ocean from the beach, the mountain from the valley, the cathedral from the plaza, and the tavern from a barstool.” He lived in good health to 90.

[@adotintheshark4848]

"the pizza from the beer"

[@yeolblt]

A wise man indeed.

[@jfkst1]

I'd rather live shorter and actually live than pretend from a distance.

[@priuss6109]

​@@jfkst1lol you do you

[@user-wc3ue4jg4w]

I live in Northern California near the ocean, and I always wonder about people swimming, surfing in the ocean. The ocean is the home of fish and sharks and rip tides and sneaker waves. I enjoy the ocean from the beach.

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

I am just grateful she didn’t take anyone with her.

[@wiitarded51]

She may have not taken anyone with her but the people around her had to make the tough decision of telling her they could not save her.

[@za8bchem]

But she took out a house mortgage to expense her suicidal dream. Now her husband has to pay for it

[@turokforever007]

@@wiitarded51 Not a tough decision, she could have offered them a billion £££££ they still wouldn't have stopped.

[@rafflesxyz4800]

@@za8bchem Life insurance.

[@jefft8597]

John Krakauer's book "Into Thin Air" explains rescuing somebody on Everest is like rescuing somebody on the moon. People have just enough energy and air for themselves and are putting themselves at risk if they step out of that lane.

[@billramsey8934]

Shriya violated a fundamental rule of physical preparation, specificity of training. The concept dictates that you train in the same manner in which you will compete. In the case of preparing to summit Mount Everest, you absolutely need to climb and summit other mountains, period. While she prepared physically, she failed to prepare in a manner that would substantially increase her chance of success.

[@JmO-ee1bi]

How many mountains can you really train on? Really Everest being taller doesn’t even mean it’s harder than many of the others around it that are slightly lower.

[@Quiselott]

Should've went to K2. Either she would've been immediately turned off, or same result 😅

[@Force9Gale-dt4rh]

I was going to say something similar, "You got to pay your dues." You have to learn the essential lore of the mountains. She may have paid for guides but essentially each person is on their own. Even experienced female climbers have died once they've reach their tent at Base Camp because the body can only do so much. Such anecdotes could have been instructional for her.

[@EinsteinsHair]

@@Force9Gale-dt4rh You're saying that, even if someone had been able to help her back to camp, she was in such bad shape that she might have died anyway.

[@solarprophet5439]

She left her kids without a mother, and made her husband a widower with 2 mortgages for her selfish ambition, even when she was repeatedly warned that she couldn't do it. I have sympathy for the people who loved her, but none for her. She was an idiot.

[@jadziajagoda6187]

She was an idiot indeed, but couldn’t her husband stop her? It’s his fault too that he put his and his children roof under the head at risk for his wife silly and outlandish ambition. I assume he agreed, and so did her parents

[@nancybatch7007]

@@jadziajagoda6187 It's not his fault at all unless you expected him to physically restrain her from going.

[@michaelgranger7113]

​@@nancybatch7007The husband had other ways to coerce her to give up. He could've threatened divorce, and convince a judge that she was being suicidal at the expense of himself and their kids. He probably could've gotten sole custody. I also assume that he had to co-sign on the 2nd mortgage, right?

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Men do the same thing

[@jadziajagoda6187]

@Nancy - As @Michael told you, the husband had other ways to coerce her from going, and it was his own stupidity that he agreed sign the second mortgage. I assume if he didn’t, she wouldn’t have gone to Mt Everest, right?

[@ZP-xyza]

Everest must be one of the more pointless mountains to climb. With all those people there I doubt you’d get enough time to take it all in. With all the litter there, I doubt it would be as scenic as you’d expect.

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

Nobody cares about people who climb the mountain. It’s not like they win a prize at the end. It’s just bragging rights at this point.

[@I_Am_SciCurious]

People don’t go there to take it all in or because it’s scenic. It could look like the surface of the moon for all the scenery matters. They go because of the challenge of getting to the top and bragging about it for the rest of their lives.

[@haubenmeisewillow-tit331]

@@I_Am_SciCurious As I understand it, the real chalenge lies in getting down again! Something to brag about "hey guys, I made it down mt. Everest" 😂

[@captainshakesbeard2453]

I went up there once, can confirm, it is a shitehole.

[@ACL7211]

From what I understand, your body is slowly dying at that atmosphere. Once they reach the top they have to quickly get down. So yeah, not a lot of time to take it all in.

[@curious5661]

Mount Everest is now the world's tallest rubbish dump.

[@curious5661]

@@chairmanofthebored8684 Somebody took a dump on the world's tallest dump?

[@feilox]

u mean death camp.

[@curious5661]

@@feilox Well.. rubbish dump/graveyard. There are so many frozen tourists up there that they are being used as navigation markers.

[@misakistalker3058]

I already seen the summit in a video it's cool but it's not to die for

[@destronia123]

I have a VR app for that... ;)

[@natiliee.s.5476]

It's really sad and depressing that Everest is covered with bodies and trash.

[@haseulibae7083]

I truly don't understand why people still want to climb Everest. It's already been done so many times and is so fucking dangerous.

[@Maintain_Decorum]

Seriously!! If you want a meaningful challenge, volunteer to help others.

[@nunyabiznes4471]

@@Maintain_Decorum how about just be a good husband, and or father? That’s the most meaningful.

[@stephenkalatucka6213]

Winston Churchill said,"There is no feeling more exhilarating than being shot at and missed!"

[@manuelkong10]

narcissists who want bragging rights

[@haseulibae7083]

@@manuelkong10 Yup! Nailed it on the head with that one! It's completely a power thing, with no regard for not only their own safety, but for the safety of the Sherpas and other people that have to take them up there.

[@NOMAD-qp3dd]

Lady didn't realize they WERE trying to save her the entire time... when they were telling her to turn back, that was them trying to save her.. Eventually they had to save themselves. This is a lesson that people will not sacrifice themselves for you after they've warned you over and over and over.

[@hawkiepants9]

Preach 🙌

[@strangerland9791]

Reminds me of this story of person during heavy rain. A Sheriff came by her house and told her to leave since flood is coming and she refused saying "God will save me", her house started to flood and was under a foot of water, firefighter came to her house and asked her to get on the truck so that they can get her to safety and she said "God will save me" and refused. Now, entire first floor was flooded and she had to go to second floor, this man on the boat came by and said get on, we have to get to safety, she refused saying "God will save me". Then she had to go up to her roof and helicopter came by and said Hey, get on, we have to leave to safety and she refused "God will save me, he won't let me die!". Then she drowned and went to heaven and met the God and she complained, why didn't you save me? And he said, who did you think sent all those people to save you and you refused my help!

[@chrisdunnettmusic]

Nailed it

[@eliz_scubavn]

I’m a scuba diver and rescue diver. I’m trained in both surface and underwater rescue. The key principle that was hammered home time and time again, both in our theory and practical classes, was that you never put yourself at risk to save another person. There is absolutely no point in creating a second victim. During the course of training some of the scenarios actually involved me both monitoring my dive team and making decisions regarding priority when the ‘emergency’ occurred (including whether I was in a position to help in the first place) including analysis of who to help if there were two emergencies happening at the same time. Plus in scuba diving a key safety point is that you always listen to what your dive guide, dive buddy or other people are telling you. Some of the information is of course simply advisory (‘hey be careful, this dive site has strong currents, just be careful’) but some of it is very much serious and intended to be life saving or at the minimum about ensuring safety (‘don’t enter this cave without cave dive training’ or ‘you should be an experienced diver with 100 dives to do this site’)

[@agbottan]

You made me think of a Venn Diagram with "Death Trap", "Tourist Trap" and "Mt. Everest" at the intersection.

[@mapletree1808]

I feel like she really thought she wouldn't die and that the sherpas rescue her from anything that went wrong. She just ended up killing herself in a way that caused trouble for others

[@francisdashwood1760]

This is why positive thinking is a logical fallacy!

[@rober657]

@@francisdashwood1760not really, she made it up. She probably didn’t think about making it down.

[@francisdashwood1760]

@@rober657 What do you mean by ''not really''?

[@rober657]

@@francisdashwood1760 Her positive thinking got her to where she wanted to be.

[@francisdashwood1760]

@@rober657 It wasn't ''positive thinking'' that got her to the top. That's the point. She got to the top because her support group practically carried her there. You're missing the point of why ''positive thinking'' is a logical fallacy. I think that you are conflating persistence with positive thinking. Persistence got her to the top. Positive thinking got her killed!

[@simpley6256]

For someone who hasn't trekked in high altitude daring to climb "Everest" is sheer foolishness. If it wasn't for the Sherpas, many wouldn't be able to land a single foot in basecamp let alone the summit.

[@jerometruitt2731]

Yup the Sherpas should have given her her money back and refused

[@pkz420]

The straight-faced delivery of all those puns was truly savage.

[@LucianDevine]

He gave her the same amount of mercy that the mountain did, zero.

[@OzymandiasWasRight]

Making jokes about someone dying is ice cold.

[@pkz420]

@@OzymandiasWasRight Yes, it's chilling.

[@aaronnelson7702]

What's to say...? She focused on the climb up. Once up, once the euphoria wore off... On the way down she realized she was fucked.... Nobody helped.... She literally froze up.

[@katarina1852]

Instead of being sensible and listening to reason, she took it all as a challenge. When what you have to lose is your life, you owe it to yourself to listen to reason. This woman was her own worst enemy.

[@nadinewhite993]

She was clearly very determined and maybe that same determination had moved mountains for her in the past and worked for her.

[@sugarskull2392]

I feel you also owe it to the people in your life that love you.

[@TheJohnbjunior]

She should have picked a better goal

[@Isus24-s8e]

@@nadinewhite993She had no experience in mountain climbing. She overestimated herself and her ''ego'' doomed her. If you want a ''challenge'' play russian roulette. I bet that somehow she would've begged others to save her if it was her turn.

[@ImTheBatchMan]

​@@Isus24-s8edamn dude, I don't think it's healthy to carry that much animosity for a dead woman you don't know

[@d1want34]

Remember, every dead climber was once a highly motivated person

[@davidcox3076]

Yep. Unfortunately mountains don't really care much about anyone's motivation.

[@itzsoweezee9980]

And stupid too, no human need climbing to live, bullshit sensless hobby or work!

[@lunam7249]

you my friend need psychiatric help

[@Sureyoudo]

I'm going with a narcissist!

[@Adam-Shanko]

@@Sureyoudo​​⁠ “What makes you think you can X Y Z etc etc”. Called delusional. Accomplished everything silently despite the 🦀s in a 🪣, I’m generally quiet but confident and I keep to myself. By your logic I’m a narcissist? Is accomplishing your goal of losing 30 pounds and accomplishing an ultramarathon full of narcs? Because the community is filled with healthy people who have overcome the obstacles and their goals, people who refuse to let themselves go. Tons of bearded lumberjack hippy people. The people who use this word all the time appear to be the people who do let themselves go and they take out their own downfalls on others trying to better themselves (instead of the people that you should be looking at, the ones pulling the strings…). She even lost weight and her pretty face started shining. It reeks of jealousy in here

[@incognito6799]

Climbers believe the climb is such a great feat, yet the sherpas they use seem to climb it on a regular basis. Go figure the logic!

[@Slla-th5vt]

I heard the highest record held by a sherpas is 27 ascent. Talk about a real record.

[@Ra-rg1vk]

Muscle memory They ve been doing it since they were kids

[@rameshrao3792]

@@Ra-rg1vk more than muscle memory - efficient O2 transport - sherpas are amazing - the porters carry 30kg to 80kg and lug it all the way from Lukla to Base camp and even the climb. Even the trek is gruelling!

[@anthonykelly1368]

“You go girl!” - Charles Darwin

[@Ellen-hs7zb]

Underrated comment!!!

[@mikelannister960]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@genshenhaiku404]

"Well done" ~ Darwin Award Committee

[@dulaman]

She already reproduced. 😭 Her dummy genes have been passed on already.

[@alikiji2777]

I noticed that her training regime didn’t include climbing any other mountains? Maybe that was left out but you’d think maybe she’d try a little lower and work her way up…

[@lunaloveless7234]

You are correct. She had no skills specific to mountain climbing when she arrived as stated in this video.

[@_nick_d]

Yup..sadly this is common for a lot of novice like her. I’ve seen documentaries where sherpas are showing people how to use ascenders for first time.

[@VinceLocRS]

@@lunaloveless7234 The minimum would've been to climb Mt. Washington during winter. Up there you can easily face winds up to 100km/h at -40 degrees. It's a free mountain to climb and all the expense are in the gear. (which she would've reused at Everest).

[@evonne315]

Exactly.

[@TiffWaffles]

This woman was an idiot. I remember hearing about her death in 2012 and thinking that it was heartbreaking until I learned the details and I just don't feel sorry for her. Climbing a mountain is always going to come with danger, but Mount Everest has a reputation for being the world's most dangerous mountain to climb. The least she could have done was practice using the mountains in Canada as a means to get more stamina, learn the ins and outs of mountain climbing, etc. She didn't want to do that and her lack of experience is what got her killed. It's sad since I see now just how young she really was, but really... What was she thinking?

[@XYtrumpsXX]

I've got $100,000 burning a hole in my pocket, I think I'll pay someone to take me to a miserably cold mountain that's deficient in oxygen. Yaaayyy!!

[@MireVale]

Full of bodies, trash, and poop 🎉

[@laurendaryani4893]

😆

[@hombrenuevoacts1728]

White people!

[@dumbbuckets2668]

@@hombrenuevoacts1728 she doesn't look white to me

[@Ben-zr4ho]

Or, you know, Bitcoin...

[@lesley4085]

The photos of the climbers on the mountain look horrific, the sheer numbers are frightening.

[@SmoothCode]

She died from her ego and because of her own actions. She clearly expected others to bail her out when she bit off more than she could chew.

[@Nocturnalux]

"Had never climbed a mountain before", oh ffs!

[@horsemumbler1]

She got a fatal dose of Main Character Syndrome. Theought she had to go back and conquir the mountain, or something. She should have stuck to the dojo and climbing gym.

[@timg9448]

Yes, they should have a vetting system that weeds out idiots, but also need a vetting process to weed out the idiot guide companies too.

[@Nocturnalux]

@@timg9448 It just boggles my mind. I never hiked in my whole life, and ai know that picking Everest as your first mountain is insane. It is common knowledge. And then several experts, with experience, tell her that she is unprepared and she ignores them.

[@mimicinabox2547]

​@@Nocturnalux And iirc, isn't there an unspoken rule that in Everest, at certain elevation or some cadr - it's a "every man for himself" situation, prioritize your own safety than others?

[@archangelz558]

How is that not one of the requirements for accepting climbers? Are there even any fucking requirements??

[@philg7580]

She could have used that money on a carbon fiber sub trip to the Titanic.

[@someguyO2W]

This comment is so good it hurts!

[@sandrineroesch8706]

This comment tells the truth about these types of people so well,it hurts

[@Blainosdias]

Savage

[@Antmanmoto]

I’m going to hell for laughing at that 😅😂

[@ionwhy2561]

Lmao!!

[@j5555785]

I almost lost two guys on a much smaller mountain - and it is a real miracle they are alive today. If you are physically underconditioned and arent humble enough to turn around if you need to - stay away from the mountains. Do something else. You have to know your limits because the limit will find you. Mountains are no place for egos. The guys I should have lost refused to listen to me when I told them to turn around. You need to listen in wilderness that is too dangerous for helicopter rescues. If you cant turn around early you need to stay home. Period.

[@rickyhits6547]

I'll never understand spending that kind of money to climb a mountain where death is a very high possibility. I wouldn't do it for free.

[@darcydistefano363]

EGO and self centeredness

[@dt3802]

Making it to the summit is one thing, getting down alive is another.

[@emichin7010]

Ascending to the summit is an option, descending back to camp is mandatory.

[@claireemily1983]

Descending is more dangerous than ascending. I would imagine most people die on the way down

[@emichin7010]

@@claireemily1983 absolutely. Exhaustion and mental fatigue.

[@livewellwitheds6885]

​@@claireemily1983I also think it is partially a mindset issue. people think the hard part is over, they are exhausted and euphoric and may make simple mistakes. I also wonder how many of these novices do not properly plan for their descent

[@r8chlletters]

Oxygen depletion does a lot to your frame of mind…

[@master2uall88]

This is textbook definition of fuck around and find out

[@realhouseknives5095]

the scientific method

[@chop2093]

So true

[@keikei3301]

She didn’t fuck around. She trained for 2 years before even attempting the climb so STFU

[@evonne315]

That would have been a wonderful title for this piece. 😊

[@AnAdorableWombat1]

I’m tired of this saying. Make up something else

[@MichaelJamesActually]

I've been trying to find the exact quote. It's along the lines that any idiot can get to the top of mount everest. Getting back to the bottom safely is where most idiots die.

[@Yolduranduran]

Some people are not good problem solvers. They are not able to process the possible outcomes of a serious or dangerous situation. So sad.

[@flyoverurbangarden4315]

Expensive suicide.

[@peonyflowers23]

True. So sad. I hope she’s at peace now.

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

Yep and all the costs passed down to her husband, too. What a lasting legacy.

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

When you hate your life and hate your family and don’t want to leave them with your money, you should climb Mount Everest.

[@jmg4566]

@@peonyflowers23 why? She risked others lives selfishly.

[@Defender78]

Didn't she read up about Sandy Pittman (the socialiteDr G did an episode on her recently) to understand how being a socialite + not being able to carry your own ass up and down the mountain = put yourself and others in GraVe DANgeR??

[@Nadia-tims24]

The more expensive Sherpas wouldn’t have tolerated her refusing to listen. I’ve seen videos where they threatened to abandon a climber for not listening and that seems to do the trick. Even the biggest egomaniacs don’t want to do this without a Sherpa.

[@r8chlletters]

Agreed. They should have cancelled and turned around with or without her

[@GelatoAndMelatonin]

Some climbers have a sherpa with them or just an experienced climbing partner and they threaten to leave them ...and actually most of the ones we end up hearing about say they're going to continue climbing and their partner can go back to camp. Then usually the sherpa or partner stays with the person because they know the summit fever has taken over and the person isn't thinking straight and is making bad decisions and they want to try to help them. Then the crazy one dies and the one who tried to save them loses all their toes

[@GelatoAndMelatonin]

Apparently with the sherpas, it's a cultural thing over there that's very big where they will suggest to a customer what they should do but if they refuse, the sherpa is like well okay, customer is always right. And they don't really argue with them about it at any time. Especially not up at the top of the mountain bc you just can't be fighting idiots at 8000 meters with no air and ice everywhere

[@whiteyfisk9769]

Wyte people....nuff said

[@mr.mcmagpie6606]

Dude, her Sherpas did leave her ass😂 and pretty much said "told ya so" when they seen her on their way back down!! Lol

[@alexdeonversaagde]

My nepali friend crossed these mountains in a group he said nobody could save anyone. Once you fell it was over.

[@mm.628]

I'm actually amazed that she made it to the summit without prior experience & on the first try.

[@meganmckissick2281]

People do not realize how significant elevation affects the human body! I was an athlete and moved to Boulder, Colorado to train. The first time I rode and ran in elevation, my lungs felt like they were on FIRE!

[@FLP90]

I’m always suprised I don’t feel any different when going into high elevations. I’ve been to Colorado and also the Swiss alps. Maybe the only thing I notice is I get tired quicker but that’s it

[@hazzardcounty737]

I’m a smoker and hike 14er’s all the time. I moved from MI to CO Springs 13 years ago, never had an issue with the elevation or had it slow me down. However, I have had friends & relatives visit and many of them have been effected by it. Are you a negative blood type by chance? I read several years ago that low level oxygen environments are processed more easily by negative blood types or it can be tolerated better. I cannot find it on the internet now because everything useful & interesting gets scrubbed from the internet nowadays- but it made sense. My brother is also a neg blood type like me and he also had no issues adapting when he moved here as well.

[@TheBerkeleyBeauty]

Look, I was on vacation in Lake Tahoe years ago and figured I’d go for my usual 7 mile run. I made it 2 miles away from the house and had to call my husband for a ride back. Lungs. Were. On. Fire🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@whizziethewise2924]

Climbing a small mountain felt like this back in New Mexico... elevation will humble you real quick.

[@23JMRH]

@@FLP90it doesn’t work like that. I live at 10,000 feet. You can be fine for years and then get altitude sickness out of the blue. See it all the time with people I live near.

[@damienruzco]

“The conditions are inconsistent with survival” I love that line so much

[@ttrmotocross]

I love his dry humor. "They pleaded with her not to go...mostly because of the dying part"

[@geoffreylee5199]

A mountaineering friend visited Everest at BaseCamp Level. At the 17,000 foot level, he said it was awesome and a sight to see. Camped overnight, then returned to Canada. He said seeing ill-prepared people with more dollars than sense getting ready to climb Mount Everest was the height of insanity.

[@swedensy]

She get this idea from the west, she is so strong and independent and identifies as a athletic person :)

[@UkuVlogs]

When an Experience Sherpa Guide says you can't climb that's means you can't then just listen to him.

[@johnmorelli3775]

How hard can it be to just listen and respect the judgement of those with far more experience?

[@viral_suppressor4154]

@@johnmorelli3775 you havent met narcissists before, have you?

[@astrinymris9953]

Our culture tends to glorify people who persist in their goals despite the warnings of experts. We have a mythos that everyone can do anything they put their mind to, and that it's morally better to continue in a hazardous endeavor, no matter what, This is reinforced by such adages as "Winners never quit, and quitters never win" and "When the going gets tough, the tough get going." Unfortunately, this mindset can (and has) killed people. Or it's encouraged them to do severe injury to themselves by ignoring their bodies' signals. This narrative isn't challenged often enough.

[@allewis4008]

"Yas kween, u go gurl!"

[@skycloud4802]

That mindset hasn't just killed people; it's also made people destitute and financially ruined. People are poor at weighing up risky life choices. Most businesses fail, a vast majority of marriages fail, and attempting these things repeatedly will cause a lot of pain.

[@Allthekingshorses2]

Yes, finally has said it! I agree with the part about finances too… people give up jobs to “follow their dreams” and then wonder why they are broke and heavily in debt….

[@trava4156]

Agreed

[@kp74952]

Totally agree

[@sinjin1259]

The gallows humor is strong with this one.

[@harubaru1001]

In the shadow of overconvidence lurks the hunger for appreciation.

[@ernestschultz5065]

Amateurs should avoid mountains that have "death zones"

[@danielharrington5690]

Lmao

[@chadjohnson6718]

Good point

[@timewa851]

just study the history of every mountain. You'd be surprised how many humans are trapped in the ice & crevasses. Really.

[@wout123100]

@@timewa851 do they think if you die highup you are closer to god?

[@bartsullivan4866]

Moral of that story for sure plenty of great lower mountains to climb that could give you that feeling of accomplishment

[@MermaidMakes]

Mount Everest climbing, Plastic Surgery, and Furniture. 3 categories in which you should never cut corners financially..

[@tiffm3110]

Why furniture? Buying cheap and replacing every few years is an option. Especially if you rent and move often

[@SimonaRich]

,🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MermaidMakes]

@@tiffm3110 Im not really sure why I said furniture…I should have said home repairs haha. Thrifting for antique furniture is the way to go. I guess if you aren’t able to get a moving truck, cheap furniture is good in a pinch. I just hate that after years of doing that I could have afforded incredible furniture that would still be around for my children’s children. and I’ve had several Walmart and Amazon pieces break on me…they just crumbled, and I had to buy again way before I even moved out. They barely last a few years anymore. You’re spending WAY more in the long run.

[@aquarian-talk]

Furniture?

[@kkraut]

Mmkay hon. Furniture lol

[@i.k.6055]

I am content to walk my dogs at sea level. There is so much beauty here, no ego required.

[@Athen239]

Your dogs definitely appreciate all of that. Solid way to be.

[@enkibumbu]

She believed she was the main character in a movie, so she could not die. Wrong assumption.

[@maxtrv3587]

Even in great shape you never know how your body will react at 8000 meters.

[@belledorris3163]

😂climbing everest and k2 as been done😂 no one cares ahout #100

[@beepboop1223]

​@@belledorris3163😂 tell me no one likes you without telling me 😂

[@protercool8474]

​@@beepboop1223I think you just did

[@Trytostopmeh]

Trying not to be blown off by 80 mph winds as well in -40 degrees weather. Bruh if ur the average person ur gonna have her experience.

[@systemicthinking]

Your statement is patently false. I know exactly how my body will react: I will get sick and freeze to death.

[@kepler240]

Being miserable climbing a cold snow covered mountain just to immediately turn back seems rather stupid to me.

[@SilverLake401]

Yeah I only climbed one mountain and vowed I never need to do that bs ever again 😂

[@JohnBrown-vn2qw]

sht i get tired just climbing my stairs

[@shahminhajuddin]

That 'Stairs' comment 😂😂😂

[@robertanderson5092]

I got winded climbing on top of Marcys twin peeks

[@GelatoAndMelatonin]

Well you could do what some of them do and never ever leave

[@adolfolerito6744]

Wow, she really took a second mortgage and climbed the tallest peak on Earth, solely to collect her well deserved Darwin Award on the summit 😂

[@ILSLF]

The only silver lining in this story was that she died alone and nobody else had needlessly died because of her and as a result of her selfishness and stubborn main character shenanigans. I'm just glad the sherpas did not attempt to rescue her at the risk of their own lives.

[@TheDgdimick]

She takes a 2nd mortgage out on her house, dies, and leaves her husband to deal with the fallout..

[@MilaShwarz-kw1yo]

Didn't she need husband's signature?

[@ashleymcclarren3951]

Hopefully she had great life insurance.

[@chrisb.4323]

😳

[@johngreg12]

@@ashleymcclarren3951 Unfortunately, most life insurance companies exclude these kinds of high risk activities.

[@johnmorelli3775]

Strangely housing prices in Toronto have skyrocketed so hubby did ok (if he continued to own)!

[@jenadyer6329]

How selfish can a person be…!? I would be so ashamed if this were my family member or friend. She left her family a bunch of extra debt and a legacy of stupidity.

[@meesalikeu]

hopefully they didnt sign anything for her debts and only lost the home she mortgaged away.

[@njfuentesrespecter81]

A legacy of stupidity 😂🤣

[@TiffWaffles]

If I were her family, I would have left her on Everest. You have to pay a lot of money just to get bodies removed from that mountain because of how dangerous it is. I'd be so angry with her if she left me in a mountain of debt that I would have left her there to rot. This woman was a liability before and after she died. She could have made more people die on their descent since climbers had to go AROUND her. She never even climbed mountains before she went on this expedition. What the hell was she thinking?

[@marielleo4715]

But shev did it!

[@marielleo4715]

@@njfuentesrespecter81 no way,she did it!

[@jazzywarrrior1414]

I live near mountains and used to be in great shape. However, one day I decided to do the same exercises in a city with a good 1000ft gain in elevation and I was dying. People really underestimate what elevation does to you.

[@thelimey351]

She was a selfish fool, the fact that she wanted others to risk their lives to try & save her (a hopeless task) compounds how unreasonable & reckless she was.

[@davidponseigo8811]

I'm retired law enforcement and I risked my life everyday for something important, protecting the public, I have been shot twice and stabbed and cut multiple times and have been in near death situations so many times I forgot and now at age 50 I have a genetic liver disease and will most likely not be here by next year. I would give anything to see my sons get married and have grandchildren, my youngest just joined the Navy and my oldest will graduate college next year and I will never see it so I don't understand how people can throw their lives away.

[@drivethruabortion280]

Well, I through mine away

[@89turbomk3]

You live a long life don’t worry

[@supernova11711]

I’m so very sorry.

[@maribelaguilar7270]

The lord protect you and your family , for taking care of us

[@ClanToreador]

John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever *believeth* in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Trust in Jesus before you take your last breath…. or you will open your eyes in torment… I wish you a longer healthier life though ❤ 😢

[@QuirkyQuillify]

What a narcissist..... it's not enough that she's willing to risk her own life for brownie points, she's eager to sacrifice others' safety too.

[@meesalikeu]

she was more mentally ill than just a narcissist

[@user-md3xq7ee2u]

You mean experiencing the advantage means that person is narc or ill??

[@cathynewyork7918]

@@user-md3xq7ee2u Silly comment. Missed the point.

[@user-md3xq7ee2u]

@@cathynewyork7918 I guess you are stupid, First go search what is difference between narcissism and hobbies then comment on someone’s demise

[@Mari-lv1rd]

when your ego is bigger than your brain

[@HighFiveGhost50]

Seeing all those people on the mountain is really disgusting. They leave so much trash up there. Being in a line of a hundred people I would feel so stupid.

[@theoldtimefiddler]

with so many thousands of idiots clogging that mountain, climbing it no longer has the cache' it once did. now it's more a mark of stupidity and poor judgement...

[@mobilegameplaywalkthroughs990]

That's one way of not having to pay off your two mortgages.

[@jeanettecook1088]

People who volunteer go into a space labeled "death zone" against solid advice should be ignored when they ask for help. All that does is endanger others. I think she must've had a subconscious death wish.

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

Exactly.

[@sugarskull2392]

Or enough hubris to think she would make it back.

[@TiffWaffles]

I think you've got to get through the death zone on Everest on your way to the summit and back down. I don't know the particulars since mountain climbing isn't something I do, but the death zone on Mount Everest is a location that people have to climb through both on their way to the summit and back down to a safer location on their way down. To stay there and want to take a break is definitely a death wish. A lot of people have died because of that mistake, including (if I am not mistaken) Hannelore Schmatz and Ray Genet.

[@Suedetussy]

I agree with you, except for the desth wish. I think it’s rather arrogance (not listening to other people with more experience).

[@maximilianeissner4759]

@@TiffWaffles In mountaineering terms, the death zone is everything above 8000 meters (26 000 feet). Once you are above that altitude threshold you are in the death zone, it is not a single location. Above that altitude the pressure of oxygen is insufficient to sustain human life for an extended time span.

[@k2a2l2]

taking a mortgage out on ur house to go on a climb thats known to kill people is insane

[@brewcrew5854]

I saw something to the effect that thin air can cause the digestive tract to begin to consume itself ? That ranks slightly below " all inclusive in pool bar and buffet with tropical ocean view "

[@allison8752]

I do not understand her "training" for 2 years to go there and not listen to the experts with her. If she was painfully slow to the point that it risks everyone's life, the company should have canceled the trip.. clearly she wasn't capable and she was not willing to follow their instructions. Sad..

[@meesalikeu]

they took the $$$ dum move fo sho

[@TiffWaffles]

Her training is laughable to begin with. Running with a heavy pack on is something that I've seen people training for the armed forces do, not mountaineers who actually have to climb the wretched things. People wanting to climb mountains like Mount Everest usually have a list of other mountains they climbed to back them up in terms of experience and skill.

[@imhere653]

She should have spent the time doing more braining than training. I can't help but feel frustration and outright anger for this albatross. Something about this story causes me to believe she lacked the mental capacity to process and prioritize life-or-death instructions. On the other hand, this looks suspiciously like she was orchestrating a high-drama, voluntary exit from life and lost her nerve when it started to happen to her on the way down.

[@Suedetussy]

Exactly, all that training for 2 years, and then never climbed a different mountain to see how it really is.

[@nopenullify8947]

Money.

[@jdsheleg8332]

The "I am from there" syndrome in action. Just because you are from a place or has done something before does not mean you are qualified to do something or be somewhere.

[@babyramses5066]

I think you're on to something! Nepalese lead the world by FAR in successful Everest summit records: -# of people who've completed at least one successful Everest expedition OR completed multiple Everest expeditions OR completed successful expeditions to the highest peak on every continent..idk about Antarctica. But these records are held overwhelmingly held by *sherpas or professional superclimbers* Nepal has the highest # of female sherpas and professional superclimbers too. There aren't that many but it still has the most so it's unsurprising if Shariah underprepared and just assumed mountaineering was "in her blood" despite never climbing a mountain or even living in Nepal but being "from there"

[@craigstergriffin2097]

Thank you Dr. Grande. You skillfully examined the situation and presented unique views of what happened and why. 🙏

[@TheFaro2011]

My brother in his peak of health, early 20s trained for base camp one. He got severe altitude sickness him another climber had to get flone out! Absolutely crazy.

[@robofpv6241]

This seemed more of a suicide mission rather than an adventure.

[@meesalikeu]

thats much closer to the truth

[@livewellwitheds6885]

it is.. just way more expensive than most suicides

[@Celisar1]

Not with 2 years of rigorous training beforehand. It seems like she needed to prove herself for some reason

[@number3stunner118]

@@Celisar1 I agree, but she probably should've just gotten into the octagon - The Ultimate Proving Grounds. I mean, she was already training martial arts.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

The two are separated by far less than people think

[@Fan_Of_Film96]

This is like the case of Francys Arsentiev and her husband, who both died on Everest in '98. They had a young son who BEGGED them not to go there, but they were both so selfish that they wouldn't listen. They knew that there would be a good possibility that one or both of them could die climbing or descending the mountain, but I guess they were willing to risk orphaning their only child so they could have something to brag about. People who have loved ones and choose to do stupid shit like this are so SELFISH!

[@2painful2watch]

Self serving people. Why have kids when the parents with plans for extreme sports vacationing willingly accept the dangers which could leave them orphaned?

[@Bretski126]

The kid was probably an accident.

[@vq2vx]

Loving all the puns you pack in!😆

[@kmp7625]

Do you guys remember the Mount Everest ad on Disney channel back then? Glamourized it so much had me thinking it was chill until I started seeing these videos

[@michaelbrandon1222]

Climbing Mt. Everest is just a narcissistic, ego-driven goal. A goal just to tell people you're training for it or you've done it. So dumb 😂

[@joemachine4714]

Don't forget the Summit Selfie for Instagram 😑

[@simbalantana4572]

You're way over-generalizing.

[@rb239rtr]

There is a small valley on the way up called Rainbow Valley, named after the multi colour clothes of the dead climbers that litter the valley

[@crayone]

More like skittles alley. Skittles headquarters wouldn’t like it very much.

[@Risingofthephoenix]

This is really morbid and sad. What a sweet name for something so horrifying

[@lunam7249]

fn sick bro!!!!🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂🎉😂❤

[@bartsullivan4866]

I thought it was called that from all the empty oxygen colored tanks.

[@rb239rtr]

@@bartsullivan4866 bodies

[@MS-op6fd]

She was trying to become a child again and get back to that happy moment she shared with her parents in the helicopter ride from when she was 9

[@CptFugu]

Poor planning and risk management on the part of the expedition company seems to be a big part of this.

[@WolfHowl71]

A great man once said "Stupid is as stupid does".

[@patrickcorliss8878]

Forrest Gump.

[@adrielburned6924]

Forest Gump's mommy.

[@patrickcorliss8878]

@@adrielburned6924 Thank you. I stand corrected. "Momma says 'Stupid is as stupid does' ".

[@adrielburned6924]

@@patrickcorliss8878 💚 love that movie!!!!

[@Ellen-hs7zb]

George Bernard Shaw, for one, and it originated long before him.

[@deant6361]

A real climber of these 8000metre plus mountains has to have the ability to know when to fight another day and get down safely.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

Tbf even the most experienced climbers have had similar lapses of judgement, and many have paid for it with their lives. Rob Hall and Scott Fischer might be the most famous examples of that.

[@hayunnie]

The disregard for her own life is startling, especially after having been warned by a sherpa that she was certainly going to die if she tried summiting. However, she was also told that she was going to endanger and possibly cause the deaths of other people, and the fact that she still insisted, is almost despicable. She had been warned and she was being warned again and again. When you pay people to lend you their expertise, it's inclredible to then completely ignore their advice.

[@honkingantalope]

Give her a bear, she don't want a man's help.

[@mgtowmonger2729]

grizzle, grizzle!

[@littleeva]

I first watched this video two days ago and wondered why it was re-posted. Then I watched it again and...yes, I see why KZbin might have had an issue with a certain image that is missing from the re-post. Anyway, when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, only experienced mountaineers climbed Everest. You had to be invited to climb that mountain and could only be invited if you had climbed much lower peaks. But today, it's a business. If a wealthy person pays a guide millions of dollars to get them up Everest, the guide probably wouldn't say no.

[@BigNix83]

I know the image you’re talking about from the original I was wondering the same thing.

[@nicolaxoxo1]

@@BigNix83what was the image?

[@BigNix83]

@@nicolaxoxo1in the original video, they showed her dead body covered in a Canadian flag.

[@alisonrose1879]

Not millions. 100k is more than most pay.

[@nutzhazel]

Yeah, the irony is, those Sherpas remain poor and Nepal remains a poor country despite having a multi million industry right in their country. Western slavery at its finest and no one talks about it.

[@destination2013]

Stubborn people and overconfident people suck.

[@nadinewhite993]

And often want to take other people down with them when they fail or run into trouble.

[@charlottewest1799]

Unfortunately, they truly do.

[@stellviahohenheim]

She was confident she can summit Everest without climbing easier mountains first. She left her family with a huge debt. She keeps on going even though so many people tell her to stop. Then when she realises she's at deaths door she begged people to save her. I can't imagine being her coworker or being married to her.

[@babyramses5066]

Either this or they end up successful and we praise them. The only reason we're calling her stupid and selfish is because she failed. I respect her tenacity. She really believed in herself....just too much.

[@destination2013]

@@babyramses5066 , I do not respect overconfident people. She was warned that she was not up for this task. I really hate a “can-do” attitude when the person really cannot do. The same brain mechanics lead to stupid political opinions and stupid voting habits

[@mooseadjli2604]

"The mountain represents Life ending achievement" 😂 always delivering comedic nabgers with serious tone

[@vejet]

"It's better to have died young having achieved something in life, than to die old having achieved nothing." ~

[@vanessaloy1049]

I lost track counting all of the doctor’s clever mountain puns.

[@lindafarnes486]

She didn't take any of the advice from the experts, with inevitable results. But what was it driving her to take this route and leave her family with such a massive debt.

[@peonyflowers23]

She was depressed and climbing Everest gave her something to live for. She refused to listen to reason.

[@jakevendrotti1496]

This seems like a serious mental health problem for this woman. She was obsessed. And extremely selfish. Dragging everybody into her mess

[@lindafarnes486]

I did wonder if she caught her husband out having an affair or something. But yes, depression makes sense. She seemed to want to prove something to herself at any cost.

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@lindafarnes486 lol I don't think climbing a mountain is most people's reaction to catching someone having an affair. you people need to quit grasping at straws and just focus on what's known.

[@tiagomontenegro5932]

​@@peonyflowers23you mean climbing Everest gave her something to die for 😂😂😂

[@JustAnotherBeth]

Your puns are killing me 😂

[@wanderinggeri8477]

I suspect she approached other better, more experienced guide companies and they refused to take her.

[@bartsullivan4866]

I think your theory is probably right she was in no shape for the attempt and hadn't proved she could conquer 10,000 to 15,000 peaks let alone 29,000.

[@jennifercampbell8939]

Possibly but I’d be curious to know if most companies do a lot of screening beyond answering the question “will the cheque clear?” Money is a terrific motivator as Dr. Grande pointed out.