Infantry Squads in Codex Astra Militarum - Unit Review and Tactics

[@slamindorf5478]

Poor catachan being left so far behind, they must really not want to keep printing those products

[@jasongarfitt1147]

I bought some more anyway but I think that was my last box

[@KurtKn1sp3l]

At least they are in the codex, unlike several other regiments. Nevertheless, they should be a viable option too.

[@timchristensen2522]

For that points cost, GW should be buffing them with either +1S and / or T, or hitting on 3s in melee (or a combo, or even all three!) at the very first opportunity... Maybe if they get a kit refresh 🙄

[@jarvo5880]

It's because wargames atlantic website just launched "space nam" this year and GW is afraid

[@joelpratley9248]

@@jarvo5880 I just ordered some, plan to run them as Catachan but if ain’t too impressive I’ll just run them as krieg units

[@rileysmith7763]

I think you undersold how DKOK trades damage output for durability. The medic/medibag also gets them access to the battlefield surgery stratagem to revive D3 models. They seem like a good screening units if you bring a mix of C Shock Troops for damage and DKOK for soaking damage.

[@9ballbreaker]

My group proxied 60 krieg squadsb with medic with 30 kasrkin like mordian glory tried. Watching guardsman tank hits unlike ever before is a sight to see. Ran cult of sacrifice and expert bombardiers with a few ordnance teams, it got disgusting really quick lol

[@riyoriyote]

There's actually no kit reason why the DKK has the plasma or vox thing going on. In the instructions the plasma can also be on a different model entirely, the plasma conflicts with the KT comms array rather than the spotter vox, and the instructions also let you build the squad with neither vox or plasma if you want. It's just a bizarre rule they put on them for no reason really.

[@williamfawkes8379]

GW deserves a bunch of players using Catachan troopers and calling them Cadians, and even Death Corp. It's just what they need.

[@monkeyhammer]

The Kreig plasma thing is weird. There are instructions to build both in the same squad in the booklet (troopers 6&8). And even if there weren't, the only arms that are truly fitted for a single torso are the demo expert, because his arms touch the ground, the rest you can mix and match.

[@froghugger41]

Yeah, this is obnoxious. I assembled them all sigh plasma and melta and a voxcaster with no conversions needed, pretty upsetting.

[@exoticbreadstick8661]

@@froghugger41 run em as cadian shock troops maybe?

[@froghugger41]

@@exoticbreadstick8661 I do :)

[@hobmaniac]

You can cut the 2 of the lascannon arms where the wrist meets the hand, they fit perfectly , just do this last so you don't assemble the other models wrong and you can have 1 plasma, 1 flamer and 1 melta from the single box (The Kill Team one)

[@redredleg4051]

In my games so far I’ve found 2-3 chimeras, 3-5 Russes, and 80 infantry seem to be the sweet spots.

[@silver4831]

Really cba to build and paint 80 guys...

[@redleg1376]

@@silver4831 I once painted 90 of them in two nights for a tournament. I about wore my airbrush out doing it.

[@thetraitorguardsmen.5321]

I'm going to be running Necromundan guard 8th spider's soon. I was advised to use brutal strength and swift as the wind to represent the attributes of the living and fighting in the under hive. 🕷️

[@robertmurfet5834]

You know a channel is really set in stone whence the intro is upgraded! good on your sir you deserve all your success.

[@Breakingfasst88]

I’d love to see more rules for other regiments (Mordian, Elysian, Penal Legion, Armageddon Steel Legion, Tallarn etc)

[@robertsteiner4696]

They'll only do that when they get then brand new expensive minis tho of course

[@Katalmach11b]

Call me optimistic, but there may be expansions for the guard later on, kinda like space Marines, farsight, etc. I can potentially see an expanded regiments book with new infantry and command squad data sheets in the future

[@grumpyhobbit4689]

well the rules are already there... swift as the wind for tallarn, parade drill for mordians etc.

[@rexpugh2892]

@@grumpyhobbit4689 yes but they don’t get their own special infantry 😢

[@AsterixCodix]

Something tells me the old Cadian models are going to be rebranded as a generic Infantry Squad. After all, it wasn't all that long ago that they added a sprue to it that contains weapons the Cadian Shock Troops units can't take.

[@walstafa]

I'm smiling that your cadian shock troops photo has a sniper rifle and a sergeant with plasma pistol and power sword despite that loadout being illegal.

[@grumpyhobbit4689]

The Creed bonus (+1S) ist for RANGED attacks, not lasguns only -> so your buffing specials and heavys as well.

[@Katalmach11b]

I used creed and a squad of Kasrkins with trophy hunters to get my meltaguns and plasma overcharge shots up to S10. It was very helpful against a chaos land raider that rushed the midfield

[@maugan22]

I've been doing mathhammer on infantry squads vs cadian squads. I'm increasingly convinced that heavy bolter/plasmagun on an infantry squad is the best loadout for IG infantry (unless you're at point blank range). Take aim turns a heavy bolter from ap -1 to ap-2 making it spectacular in a meta dominated by Armour of Contempt units. Even on the move heavy weapons are 4+ to hit with take aim so keeping them stationary isn't as mandatory as in the old codex.

[@operator9858]

Thats the way its always been :)

[@JAGFT]

if you take elite sharpshooters (which is great on the plasmas) you can boost the ap even further with a strat

[@takenogundam1]

Wholly disagree with the Death Korps. They are easily second, if not first. All four choices are pretty close in cost, but the Death Korps really bring survivability.

[@silver4831]

And really that's all guard inf do. Sure may shoot a few things but hardly are used to be the damage dealers.

[@takenogundam1]

@@silver4831 Indeed. Guard players shouldn't be looking at their Infantry to be damage dealers. They should be holding objectives and performing actions, let the big guns do the damage. That's why I hold the Death Korps so high, they can do those things and remain alive longer than other Troops.

[@Chrissaful]

I hate that we have about a dozen flavours of space marine factions most of which atleast get a unique hero and they're all but killing everything not cadia. Atleast give us upgrade sprues to make our guardsman look the way we want.

[@uwesca6263]

Completly customizable guard units that displays a large aray of different cultures and technologie levels? Like from conscripted underhive scum to gothic steampunk soldiers? Nah noone would buy that. Better to sell another primaris leutnant.

[@jonathancooper4914]

I’m so relieved to know bolters, plasma and bolt pistols and power swords are still in for sergeants as well as sniper rifles for infantry.

[@HumanZombie99]

Don't have the book yet, but I saw the page with orders in a video and it seems like Move, Move, Move gives +2 to move OR an auto 6 for advance, not both. It was something like "in the movement phase: •if you make a normal move, increase the movement characteristic of the unit by 2 •if you make an advance you move an extra 6 inches instead of rolling a dice"

[@TheZedman5000]

I wish Krieg didn’t have to pick between a vox and a plasma gun. It’s so, so easy to build the spotter/crouched sniper as a voxcaster, it should’ve been in the instructions in the first place.

[@adddad9779]

4:50- I'm pretty sure DKoK CAN double up.... the rules says "You cannot select the same weapon MORE than twice per unit."

[@masonshilling6821]

Yeah I read this in the codex as well I think he might have been referring to how people think it is a typo or copy paste error which I hope it isn't

[@silver4831]

@@masonshilling6821 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@masonshilling6821]

What

[@silver4831]

@@masonshilling6821 To GW in general haha. Can't believe they never proof read or actually play test things.

[@venkelos6996]

For the most part, I can say I really like what happened with the Guard Infantry. I spent a fair amount of time wondering how they'd be handled, since they are usually the benchmark everyone else needs to be better than, but these are, for the most part, good. As a Guard fan, and specifically a Cadian fan, I'm pleased where they are! I can say, right at the start, I have NEVER liked the Catachan aesthetic; I find it hard to believe they could even function on several battlefields that are still not important enough to force Space Marines to deploy in number, and I've never been really excited about them. Having said that, I have no understanding why they took such a crap on this iconic team. I don't like them, personally, but they used to be a good choice, and with the numerous improvements Guard have netted, in 9e, now that they finally have their codex, I expected a lot more from these guys. Guard suck in assault; it's a fact, and while even Catachan ate still "merely" human, I expected them to fill that role, since the new book sort of did away with the whole regiment system. I thought they might be a bit Orky; less skilled in shooting, but good in combat, or at least as good as S3/T3 can. I thought they might have their big knives, and maybe some cover bonuses. It simply makes no sense. It's like someone said "Look, I know Astartes are sort of crap, right now, with all the power creep, but they are S4/T4, and for that to mean something, when these unaugmented men haven't been fed gene-seed, or lopped off body parts, for augmetics, they have to suck. Oh, and this will also justify using Ogryns and Bullgryns, since they are tougher in combat." Again, I don't really like them, but I wanted them to be good. At this rate, for fun games, I'd probably ask my opponent to let me field them as Krieg, but count at least one squad as Cata, for Harker's buff. Otherwise, they really could've just dropped the line, if they don't want to remake it, anyway. I almost hope that they get an Army of Renown that, while limiting (no Commissars, Kasrkin, or several other unfluffy units), give them Strength 4, some stealth or cover bonuses, and better CC abilities. Make people play them via Renown; it works for Bel'akor, but otherwise they are awful. As a completely unrelated question, are Castellans redundant, now? I don't actually believe that they are, but... Lord Solar Leontus almost seems like an auto-include, and has more/better Orders. The Command Squad has less Order power, but you maybe don't need several orders, and they also get the vaunted master vox, for order range. A few battle reports have shown how stonking the Command Squad can get, with Nork, some Advisors, Deathmask, and some other good choices. The LC almost feels like another character you don't want to get in a fight, and so you don't really need to kit out. It CAN get plasma and power, but why? I'm sure part of it is purely points; Castellan costs less than Leontus, or the Squad, but is that it? Short order range, some questionably valuable kit; while I think it's a good unit, and a wonderful model, is it the worst of the three? Just curious. Please have a good one!

[@andrewbenn5261]

Where, I repeat, where, are the rules for the Forgeworld DKOK models? The world waits.

[@galling2052]

yea right no, its tonk spam and gloryboys atm

[@joshpearson1870]

IF you are going for Brutal Strenth, how does that impact the balance between Shocktroopers and regular Infantry Squad+Heavy Weapon? This fixes the heavy weapons' mobility problem, and makes FRFSRF a more interesting order. AS Mordian G pointed out on his channel, the HW team also makes it easier to get your charge on, which can help maximize the Brutal STrength's melee buff.

[@richmcgee434]

Yeah, BS is a no-brainer choice if you're running standard infantry squads as your troops.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Another great video as always

[@Chris-jl6vp]

The more I look at guard infantry being so different stats-wise the more ridiculous it gets. They wanna clump up imperial guard into one hodgepodge all regiments in one faction but they also want to make all squads so violently different in costs and what special weapons they can take. Why??? What was wrong with Veterans, conscripts and standard guardsmen and then a HWT or 2 special weapons on the veterans and guardsmen? The new shock troops rule could have been stuck onto everyone except conscripts rather than remaking the wheel and that's all they'd need to do. But no let's make catachan guardsmen 5 points more and remove nearly all their special weapons for some reason, fuck you signed GW.

[@joshpearson1870]

GW's obsession with stats matching box contents is in direct conflict with Guard tradition of kitbashing and custom regiments. Its supid and we hates it.

[@alexeysidorenko4634]

As written you can take 2 meltas for DKK

[@KelRiever]

Er, not that they are your favorite, but WOULD you take a bolter for the sergeant in a death Korps unit? Or go cheap with laspistol(bolt pistol?) and chain sword?

[@antonionotmyrealnamo6333]

Dear Auspex Tactics: I was thinking, is there a set of information commonly known to Warhammer 40k players that would be useful to put into a video for people interested in the Warhammer 40k RPGs? The setting seems strange for people who aren't players of the miniature game, but as you delve in it makes more sense. Maybe this is something you'd have good insights into and could net you a high view rating video that would boost your channel (especially with a new 40k RPG, Imperium Maledictum, on the horizon).

[@lightbearerslamp5870]

Yeah, new players definitely need a better place to get large amounts of lore. A thorough loremaster perhaps like Byf is for Destiny. Also, the book for the AoS RPG Soulbound did exactly what you are saying and it did it very well so there is definitely precedent for it.

[@Mr_Waffle.]

@@lightbearerslamp5870 there’s tons of Warhammer lore KZbin channels though. My personal favourite is luetin09. He even has a total beginner video on his channel

[@termi6523]

Damn that new intro caught me off guard 🗿

[@Bobamelius]

Kriegers CAN double up on their special weapons, the asterisk says you cannot choose the same thing more than twice. Which you can't do anyway. That phrasing shows up in other datasheets as well where it isn't possible to take more than two of something anyway, maybe it's a misprint?

[@aleksander10101]

I wonder if post-GSC FAQ I could field Leontus and Kasrkins.

[@sirdragdord701]

11:10 Move! Move! Move! Give you 2" of move if you are NOT advancing.

[@walterhaider869]

My men die, wow I win. Or my men die, wow how did so many die?

[@GradeAMolvanian]

I think I know what it would take to make Catachan Jungle Fighters worth it. 1) Optional Heavy Flamer, 5pts. This is in addition to the two free flamers. 2) Chainswords. +1 attack and -1 ap makes their melee less of a joke. 3) Ignores cover/difficult terrain. They are jungle fighters, make them good at fighting in a jungle. The following would also be thematic, but also like be too powerful at 70 points- 4) -1 to hit while in area terrain. They now specialize in kicking people out of, and holding, terrain. Yes this applies in both melee and at ranged. This added defense definitely helps given how paper thing they are. Even with just 1-3 they become a mobile, decently effective unit for bullying other light cover campers out of their cover, not overwhelming but hey. They're troops. Throw in option 4 and you have a limited, short range, but I'd say decently effective unit.

[@mistformsquirrel]

... I wonder if Catachan's might do better if given an extra attack each base - everything else the same. Kind of an assaulty Guard squad - take Brutal Strength and give them the Fix Bayonets order and they might do OK for their points cost maybe? (I'm not super experienced in the actual gameplay as yet so apologies if this won't work for whatever reason)

[@1989Bats]

With the new rules, I might need to change up my line up... well I also need to get the new guard units.

[@newsovietman]

I wont trade 48 threat range lascannon with brutal strength and elite sharpshooters doctrines with take aim order for some cadian lasguns. Small transhuman only usable on cadian command squad

[@bellportbattlebunker4682]

Why would the cadian shock troops rule be a copy paste error when other 10 man squads allow for 2 of the same special weapons? Catachan jungle fighter, kasrkin, & MT scions all can take the same 2 special weapons. It seems the DKoK and infantry squads are the outliers because of the 3 specials and heavy weapon options respectfully. Makes sense that the cadian shock troops should also be allowed to take 2 of the same. I'm building and playing the way it is worded. Thanks for sharing.

[@PlayWii360tm]

Could be a mistake on GWs end as they also have a hard on for letting you only take what's included in the kit (infantry squad heavy weapon team is also another outlier)

[@fariaziz]

Not sure if a video or a codex!😄

[@dexterello]

Priest on 3+ can give to one squad 5++ invule

[@richmcgee434]

Which just leads the enemy to killing the other squads instead. You 'umies need some proper kustom force fields for ++ bubbles. :)

[@dexterello]

@@richmcgee434 This is in case you need, for example, to hold a point. If another squad is aiming, then this is already a success. And you can also protect the second detachment with a cast from a psyker.

[@mdl2427]

Next do a video of who is better cadian/infantry vs kraskin vs Leman Russ point for point against common enemy types and, each other. Say 325-330 points worth of each (I.e. 2 tanks vs 5 troops vs 3 kraskin) would be intresting to compare survivability and damage out put vs infantry and tanks etc.

[@killroy1117]

FRFSRF feels like a shadow of its former self...

[@operator9858]

How do you keep up with all these changes?

[@silver4831]

Why I gave up a year ago, it's just mad. Codex is so pointless too.

[@darko-man8549]

I really really really despise the stingey limitations on loadouts based on what’s in the box. The Krieg are even worse when you can’t actually use the full weapons that are the box in a unit.

[@jamiesmith6752]

As a new player I have one question if anyone can help. If I take a heavy weapon in my infantry squad does it keep 2 wounds?

[@LeSpade72]

My question is that if you put a heavy weapon team do you still have ten dudes in total or 8 as the codex words it weird

[@Moorhuehnchen]

You made a mistake on mmm. It is either 8" or 12" movement. The buff doesn't stack per raw.

[@DemoMan465]

I don't car my guard squad is still set up as a company with 3 platoon. I might add 2 cadian squads but I just have too much heavy weapons that I use for that.

[@operator9858]

Really upset they took away the grenadiers today. Now i hate all the basic troop types. Making me reconsidering this whole thing...

[@icenturion831]

DKOK can double up, same as the CST.

[@mcsquizzy8232]

How are the forge world guard models holding up atm?

[@FlyingNinjaish]

Terribly, as expected.

[@keyanklupacs6333]

Jesus GW just bring back platoons.and conscripts. These points costs for these squads is too damn high.

[@richard_n]

I just love that Guard players have some nice options to play now.

[@joelpratley9248]

Vicious traps anyone?

[@GonthorianTheBrave]

I watched mordian glory play DKOK and boy are they tanky. They look like boys you want to take if you need to take a hit.

[@bradleykey2288]

So i can make a infantry only army ? Or will it be better with some vehicles mixed in

[@silver4831]

Inf only does not work very well, is very expensive and....that's a lot of bodies to paint who die in seconds.

[@jackdavenport4303]

What chance do you think there is of them FAQing Cadians to have 1 of each weapon? I decided to get back into 40k with 3 Cadia Stands sets and used the command squad plasmas to give every squad 2. I'd be pretty pissed off if GW not bothering to proofread as per usual means i've got to tear the arms off of my new models.

[@tomasdawe9379]

I would say 50/50 at this point. On page 40 of the new codex you can see a number of options for the new cadian shock trooper kit which are not on the sprues included in Cadia Stands! if this extra sprue comes in the shock troops box it may include a second of each special weapon, if not then I would bet on the datasheet getting FAQ'd

[@jackdavenport4303]

@@tomasdawe9379 is that what looks like a veteran squad with a wounded guy, medic and whatnot? I've got a feeling they'll be a killteam release, sort of like the Necrons where its an existing sprue and then a new add on. I was stumped by that when I was assembling my models, I thought i'd lost a sprue :D

[@jasongarfitt1147]

Someone reported the non English versions of the codex say no more than 1 of each special type so I'd say quite high it changes

[@Roeland666]

ARMAGEDDON!!!!!

[@ChainsawDunDeez]

If you love catachan…..play them as Genestealer cults…..

[@richmcgee434]

Those wifebeater shirts will make it easier to add the occasional third arm. :)

[@ChainsawDunDeez]

@@richmcgee434 ...I was thinking 'rules' and data sheets of G Cults represent the Catachans better... but now I want to by a bunch of plastic catachans and genstealers....have an 'Aliens' themed army....

[@starkde117]

Im sorry but the back bone is the russ, havent you played dawn of war? /s

[@JennyGormanRitter]

I love being able to field waves of Guardsmen and having it be more viable than before Edit: weed

[@captaingloken5454]

So no boltgun for the standard guard squad now?

[@daanvanderrol5627]

Time to remodel your sergeants, until some random faq adds the option again.

[@damnationdan5253]

I just picked the game up after collecting death korps for a few years. Have lots of infantry but few tanks. Anyone think I ought to run them with the death korps rules or nah?

[@FlyingNinjaish]

I think you start a list with them as Death Korps, and then downgrade them to Cadians or Vanillia as needed to free up 10-30 points to fit your list under the points cap.

[@Bluecho4]

Depends on if you want your force to be more durable (with med packs and the strat to heal D3 models), or if you want more firepower (Cadians).

[@cameronnelson7179]

I would say yes. That medic ability to bring them back to life would make them stick on the board a lot longer. Great for durability.

[@damnationdan5253]

@@FlyingNinjaish Thanks!

[@damnationdan5253]

@@Bluecho4 thankyou!

[@operator9858]

And now gw is going after battlescribe, so we wont be able to use that now either. Ya thinking im going to cancel this whole guard idea. This is a mess....

[@biowepcosmic]

Iv been like the krieg the most they tank way more than you think

[@connorelliot731]

Can we please stop getting cadian specific orders, or at least get orders for the other regiments. I am so tired of cadians being the best and greatest infantry when it's GONE. IMO Cadians should now be considered Elites, and give the other regiments some time in the sun, not just unloved and and unwanted in the eyes of GW.

[@kodai-5546]

cool

[@operator9858]

And wtf is transhuman phisiology? And what are orders going to help if the squad is terrible? Like you would spend 200 points on solar just to buff worthless infantry? I dont get it...they seem some of the worst models in the entire game now...

[@mistamomo]

Why are Catachan jungle fighters only S3 and a Kroot Carnivore is S4? Kinda cringe to be honest

[@richmcgee434]

Because Kroot are aliens with literally inhuman strength and reflexes. They've always been S4, where the meatheads have varied over the years and edition rewrites.

[@mistamomo]

@@richmcgee434 some skinny ass bird alien isn't gonna be stronger than a dude that is 300 pounds of pure muscle.

[@mumblez7712]

Same reason a chimp could beat you in an arm wrestle. Because they are stronger

[@mistamomo]

@@mumblez7712 oh this meme again. Chimps weigh like 130 pounds while a fit, trained human usually hovers well over that. Pound for pound, yes a Chimp is stronger than a human, but a dude that strength trains and outweighs a chimp is gonna be way stronger.

[@silver4831]

@@mistamomo You really want to work out and try to fight a gorilla? Arms ripped off in seconds.

[@karrick526]

300.guardsman army. This is the way.

[@Damnedlegion40k]

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