♦ Infants vs Toddlers ♦ Sims 4 - Sims 3 - Sims 2

[@TheRedPlumbob]

This video is heavily focused on Infants, I decided to keep it basic and that lead to cutting lots of details from Toddlers to not make this super long, so this isn't a fair comparison per say. But just to see how people are feeling about them; Thumbs Up For:

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Sims 2 Toddlers

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Sims 3 Toddlers

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Sims 4 Toddlers

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Sims 4 Infants

[@shinobuily]

Real life toddlers

[@cherrycordiaI]

Sims 4 infants and toddlers are peak cuteness, but I'll never get over grouchy Sims 2 toddlers beating their stuffed toys like they owe them money.

[@christinarenae7839]

😂

[@JaynaeMarieXIV]

Baby Mobsters! Kinda like Stewie with Brian in Family Guy only with teddy bears.

[@spookyskeletons727]

@@JaynaeMarieXIV *”WHERES MY MONEY MAN”*

[@autisticgurl]

Sims 2 toddlers beating up teddy's be like"MR SNUFFLES YU OWN ME MUNEY ME WANNA BUY GUGGI!"(also don't mind if I spelled enything wrong it's so I can act like a toddler)

[@MidnightThunderKid]

​@@spookyskeletons727 You beat me to it but anyways: *"You got money for fake mustaches! How much you pay for the fake mustache?"* "2.99..." *Stewie shoots Brian twice.*

[@speaker97]

I've never played sims 2, but I love how realistic the kids are. They honestly act like real kids.

[@TheEtherny]

I think everyone of them acts like a kid, just different ages, infants are around 8 months old, toddlers from sims 2 and 3 are like 1 to 1.5 and toddlers in sims 4 are like 2 years old

[@Dorkella_]

The occult toddlers in Sims 3 had some cool things. The werewolf ones would howl and I believe destroy things. The vampire ones would bite the teddy on the neck while playing.

[@lylavati]

You sre right. The fairies sparkle, when they are babies. I don't remember about toddlers, but there was sth with them too. 😅

[@petrnovak7235]

@@lylavati Fairy toddlers already had fully developed wings and they float from time to time. It was fun to watch.

[@lylavati]

@@petrnovak7235 Aaah yes 🤩 Thank you for the reminder. It's been some years since I played Sims 3. I am still high hopes that they develop Fairies for Sims 4. (And please gentle and mischievous ones, that'll be fun.)

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Yes, plantsims are also interesting as toddlers in Sims 2 and 3 but I had to cut many details cause I've already mentioned those things in the those supernaturals comparisons and this was getting way too long so I thought I'd just mentioned the lack of powers in the extras.

[@milliedragon4418]

Also a cool thing about werewolf tots is that they would find things, and eat worms

[@SigmaRho2922]

In sims 4, if the energy bar is too low, infant sims will pass out by lying down on their back and immediately going to sleep without trying to go night night.

[@Shiveria]

I wondered what would happened XD

[@SigmaRho2922]

@@Shiveria The NanoCan Touchless Trash Can is useful for families with infants as they can recycle the baby bottles and diapers.

[@alinnkagf]

infants in sims 4 are way too cute and so wholesome 😩😩

[@deinemudda6104]

you speak for your sims XD I had a toddler beeing satans sporn and screaming bloody murder at all times..........I deserved it though......I DARED to have his mom give birth to another baby XD

[@carmenwinstead693]

yeah and theyre extremely shallow and boring… another reason why sims 2 is the best

[@medusawitchful]

They are fun to fortune. Man I should not have baby irl.

[@CCI320]

yeah if you want to pay 40 more dollars.

[@12wer3wer9]

@@CCI320 40$, the cost of a new game just for a few infants?! omg it's ridiculous 😳

[@barbiquearea]

If Supernatural is installed and you have a werewolf, vampire or witch for a toddler. That toddler can sometimes manifest their powers, such as biting a teddy bear if they're a vampire, howling if they are a werewolf and making toys disappear and reappear if they are a witch.

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Yep, Sims 2 also has a plantsim which grows from toddler to adult (which I find hilarious) and I was gonna show that and a whole lot of other stuff that I've said in different videos but I had to cut it, not just because I don't like repeating myself a lot, but also cause it was getting way too long

[@moonlitxangel5771]

In Sims 4, werewolf toddlers can be taught to howl and then they can howl on command (and if they didn't remove it, werewolf newborns will howl while crying). They'll also roughly play with their toys by putting smaller toys in their mouth and holding them by their teeth and shaking them lol Another fun one for werewolves I learned recently is that toddlers see rampaging werewolves as "fluffy puppies" and it sets off a playful mood for them. They can "hug fluffy puppy" too and it'll help the werewolf calm down :D Kids have a similar interaction except it's "hug cool werewolf" or something like that lol Vampire infants also hiss and there's a special moodlet for Sims they use the "chomp" interaction on :)

[@karrisavieyra5350]

I wanted to mention since I don't think I saw this at all, in Sims 3 older sims can again read toddlers the toddler books and those also will contribute to different skills after they age up, a couple of them is the painting and writing skill! I can't quite remember what the other related skills are though

[@ludovic_wolf]

I think there used to be a feature in the Sims 2 where if you had an older sim toss the toddler in the air, right after feeding them, the toddler would throw up on them mid-air.

[@johnnysimms]

This happened to me so often in Sims 2

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Yes. There's lots of little details I skipped over cause toddlers have their own comparison.

[@Winxclubstella834]

@heathertransformersHow

[@venom0925]

infants are one of those sims update, that everyone or almost everyone agrees its great.

[@TheOG-GG]

Very much so! I do wish they put that same level of detail in updating the Hates Children trait...it is really off...REALLY off...:/

[@CustomKnights]

Almost indeed, I've already seen some people acting like these were unnecessary

[@ADAOWO]

yeah. however i wish we got stuff added to parenthood and without the generations pack they’re kind of empty

[@ketaminepoptarts]

i think its bs, theyre just toddlers that learn to crawl instead of learning to walk

[@ketaminepoptarts]

also, i think this sudden obsession with adding new unnecessary life stages only exists bc of how badly the sims 4 fucked up the life stages. it makes sense that yall would want babies that arent objects and teens that look like teens, but i think you should be playing the actually good sims games to get those instead of the cashgrab ea is passing off as a 4th installment

[@Zephyrcreadesigns]

For me the infants in Sims 4 are the cutest littles Sims ever. I can’t stop planning with them. But I really miss Sims 2.

[@zenphire]

Love the infant stage! It makes sense to have an “in-between” life stage, since it would be weird to go straight from a newborn baby to a toddler.

[@MissTrysh]

yep. We just miss pre-teens now!!

[@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah]

@@MissTrysh They need to age down teens, most teens especially of this generation are not that tall 🌚

[@Tasha9315]

@@MissTrysh And middle age. I can't play an age gap couple without an elder because the game makes no distinction between the 2 adult groups.

[@Tasha9315]

@@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah Exactly. It's ridiculous that their teens, young adults and adults look exactly the same with maybe minor unnoticeable differences.

[@ArmelleK]

In Sims3 I really appreciate that kids can give a bottle to the toddlers and play with them, it's helpfull, it gives more free time to the parents ! I also love the children's park in the Sims3 because they can learn how to speak, they progress in logic and make friends with other toddler if you put them together in it ! So usefull ! I might buy the pack for infants in the Sims4 because without it, they're a bit ennoying !

[@FatimaAA]

I think TS2 kids could do that too. They could get the bottle out of the fridge and give their little sibs.

[@JaynaeMarieXIV]

Not to be a Debbie-Downer, but if only Sims 4 had put the toddlers in at launch and/or introduced infants sooner, most of those milestones could have been in Parenthood. I would have paid extra. I don't understand why a 20-year-old multi-billion-dollar franchise has to skimp on the details for its loyal paying customers.

[@McSpaanky]

Because EA only cares about money

[@someghosthunter]

You said Debbie Downer. What a legend

[@Zenxolu]

And yet, people still don't bat an eye about it...

[@TheRedPlumbob]

I guess still updating the basegame means we're gonna have a few more years with Sims 4 and I'm not sure how I feel about that cause it's been over 8 years! But I'm not thrilled about another game with 0 expansions either so I just hope they don't rush it this time.

[@LucyAdroit]

Because money, they don't care how much they have. Heck, even if they didn't do what you said, they could have refreshed Parenthood with milestones.

[@lifewithlynn8137]

The Sims 2 babies and toddlers will always be my favourite, I don’t know why, I just love them and their doofy little style and movements lol.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

Still my favorite as well. I think the sims 4 tots and infants are cute, but Sims 2 is my fav. Even the baby/toddlers were just quirky little fun.

[@ream1622]

Oh my god this channel uploading RIGHT during my nostalgia trip I missed you bro

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Welcome back!

[@demi_demon]

Sims 2 toddlers seem the most fun, but the new Sims 4 infants makes me like playing a lot more. They feel like real babies that have to grow up and i can't wait for my Infant to age up.. (because she's annoying lmao)

[@mariamart_0]

Sims 4 Toddlers from what I observed and made an analysis is that they st so cute, accurate and realistic

[@creativesunset_.]

I like specially the infants

[@sleeplesstime]

Lol too bad you didn't mention Sims 2 toddlers eating from pet bowls and sleeping in pet beds (which they can do without adult assistance), I was waiting for it. 😂 Sims 4 infants are so cute though, first time I'm hearing about them. 🥰

[@nenenenekusa]

They have another video on infants

[@nenenenekusa]

Sorry i mean toddler comparisons

[@TheRedPlumbob]

I actually recorded that along with the other toddler-pet interactions but decided to cut it when the video started getting too long.

[@dianeb-r8512]

Oh yeah, I remember having a family with two little girls where one was a spoiled little princess while the other (I think she was the stepchild, Cinderella style… or maybe just born ginger in the wrong family… so much drama 😂) had to sleep outside in a dog bed and eat out of a dog bowl. And there was a dog in the house who had its own bowl beside hers, so the parents would literally go outside feed her alongside the dog. God was I sadistic at 9.

[@takke9830]

I got the parenting packs to spice up my future generational play but it‘s kinda crazy to see how detailed the childhood stages are from infant to child. I mean to some extent it‘s sad that it had to be a expansion. But it‘s also nice to see the detail. For all the valid criticisms. The childhood development seems genuinely done really well especially in these packs wich kinda surprises me.

[@Hi.imdory]

21:04 the way the dog looked at the camera 😂

[@Caitlin_Mitchell]

You didn't mention the toddler books in Sims 3! They contribute to skills when they get older and if your toddler sim has been read at least one, they can read all the others themselves if you put it on the floor in front of them and click on it. Use to do that with ALL my toddlers. Max their skills as much as possible before they aged up. Wish Sims 4 toddler books actually did literally ANYTHING.

[@FeatheredWingz]

I love the fact that ts4 added a couple special interactions between pets and infants. I do hope, whenever the next gen of sims comes out, we get pets that eat the food the messy kiddos throw off of the high chair and throw around in general. Cuz anyone who's lived in a home with both a dog & and toddler knows that this interaction is inevitable lol.

[@Anne-ot8gq]

Im playing sims 3 right now and i miss how cute the infant stage is in sims 4. Thats definitely something the sims 4 has over the other sims games

[@Keepscrolling1]

Infants is the cutest thing ts4 team ever made

[@orbitalpudding1946]

Nice video. The younger life stage in every Sims game always seem to be the most fulfilling. Infants definitely brought a lot for a fulfilling life stage. Baby/Newborn's don't do too much in being a very limited lifestage across all games. Infants kinda fulfills that spot in wanting more from them. They're very much different from toddlers. Ppl can say what they want in that this should have been here at the beginning and etc, but it is what it is and you can't change it and it is a great addition that makes for more fulfilling family play.

[@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah]

I had no idea the infants got lifted by a cloud holy shit that’s adorable. I always played with them straight from CAS

[@paris_wants_to_sleep]

i play sims 2,3, amd 4- never got a chance to actually play sims 1. i love all of them and I can't say i have a favorite but- some interactions with the toddlers from 2 and 3 could've been added with toddlers AND infants. like the way you could tickle them, the teach to walk with infants, and etc. i really loved the small details and interactions with the sims 2 and 3 toddlers, even though they are more like babies/infants. i feel like if the sims 4 wasn't so rushed and released maybe worked on a bit more, adding toddlers or infants at launch, it won't get so much hate by others. however, im not complaining. i love the sims 4. i could play sims 2, 3, and 4 for hours till morning. im just hoping in the future, they'll add more interactions for toddlers and infants. (they probably wont but im really hoping) i also wish kids could pick up the infants and toddlers. like maybe holding them in their laps on the couch would be so cute.. 🥺🥺

[@CCI320]

Your left out a lot of stuff from sims 3. Sims can give toddlers any food in the highchair, you just need a blender and they can eat the adult food. Also toddlers can ride on the spring riders as well. And there is a changing table in sims 3 as well its in the store.

[@TheRedPlumbob]

I had to cut a lot of stuff from toddlers but I admit I don't know I forgot to put these details in the final cut. Sorry

[@Jade_West2010]

They have 2 other videos on toddlers.

[@saekurosawa2345]

In TS3 there's also that creepy doll that looks like voodoo wich infants can talk and sing to

[@JellyJammYesEverythingsRosieNo]

Whoever did the sounds for infants will get credit!

[@TheRedPlumbob]

They're so cute!! And I thought Sims 4 toddlers would be the cutest

[@medusawitchful]

Yea make me annoy them so much so I keep tortured them

[@TheOG-GG]

I think it was the same woman who did Tommy or Phil/Lil from Rugrats :)

[@connorjmcgee]

@@TheOG-GG no i did my research, and it's actually the voice of jimmy neutron

[@RosheenQuynh]

​@@medusawitchful WTF

[@connorjmcgee]

in my words that may get mixed feelings, i'm pretty sure the sims 4 toddlers are more accurate since they are like real toddlers while the sims 2 and sims 3 versions are more like infants. and yet again, the babies in the sims 4 being renamed newborns and getting a new look and having new sounds pretty much improved them overall.

[@moonlitxangel5771]

I agree. Sims 4 toddlers definitely sit at the side of being older toddlers but in Sims 2 and 3 toddlers were kind of a mix between infants and toddlers. I'd put 2 and 3 toddlers at maybe between 6 - 18 months. Meanwhile Sims 4 infants are about 2 months - 10 or 11 months I believe and toddlers are more like 12 months - a few years old. Which is more in line with where those age groups are in real life.

[@mosesjoe3763]

​@@moonlitxangel5771 I fairly agree... THE HUMAN LIFESTAGES⏳️ Primary Milestones A: Childhood (00-20) Adulthood (20+) Primary Milestones B: Early Childhood (00-10) Later Childhood (10-20) Early Adulthood (20-50) Later Adulthood (50+) Secondary Milestones A: Prenatal (00-40)wo. Infancy (00-12)mo. Toddler (01-04)yo. Schooler (04-12) Adolescence (12-20) Young Adult (20-40) Middle Age (40-60) Old Age (60+) Secondary Milestones B: Zygote (00-04)do. Embryo (00-08)wo. Fetus (02-09)mo. Neonate or Newborn (00-04)wo. Infancy (01-06)mo. Crawler (06-12)mo. Toddler (01-03)yo. Preschooler or Pweethkewlah (03-06) Primary Schooler or Mid Childhood (06-10) Pre/Early Adolescence or Middle Schooler (10-14) Mid Adolescence or High Schooler (14-18) Late Adolescence or College Kid (18-25) Peak Young Adult (25-35) Late Young Adult or Early Middle Age (35-45) Mid Middle Age (45-55) Late Middle Age or Early Old Age (55-65) Mid Old Age (65-75) Late Old Age (75+) Generational Milestones: Childhood (00-20) Young Adult (20-40) Middle Age (40-60) Old Age (60+)

[@IwillloveY4ever]

The security belts are for keeping the child in place when you need to go grab something or a diaper bag as they can get quite wiggly, last thing you want is your kid rolling off and injuring itself, possibly causing death

[@mercedesgalindo4277]

Can death of that kind really happen in the sims though?

[@IwillloveY4ever]

@@mercedesgalindo4277 No, but it helps with the realism of the object, it would be kinda controversial for an infant or toddler death as those life states never die, even in previous games.

[@RomanWasHere_]

yeah, if child sims meet the conditions of a death they get taken away by the social worker@@IwillloveY4ever

[@llouie4999]

Loved getting to see the toddler with toddler hugs - so many of us could use a hug like that

[@bethparsons3625]

I found a cc bed for Sims 2 where the toddler puts themselves to bed love it .

[@auzzpanda3497]

sims 2 toddlers could also interact with pets, aswell as sleep in their beds and eat their food

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Yes, I recorded that and Sims 3's pet interactions but I already have those interactions in the pet comparison and this was getting way too long so I had to cut a lot, focusing more on Sims 4's infants.

[@docette2015]

That image of the little Sims 3 toddler girl peeking out at us from the toy box is straight out of a horror movie XD I haven't had much opportunity to do anything with Sims 4 infants at present (my current family has no children, just a dog, three cats, some chickens, and a cow), but they do look cute, and I think they're a good addition to the game. :) Even if you get the most out of them if you have Growing Together.

[@Konata_TheRappa07]

Omg they’re all literally so cute!!! I can’t really decide which ones are the best cuz there just all so freaking adorable- 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@SevenEllen]

I loved the option of bathing Sims 2 babies in the sink, hearing them laugh, and seeing the bubbles form around them. 🙂

[@westanimesims]

Sims 2 Toddlers are still have the most fun. They are chaotic no doubt but fun nonetheless.

[@ashlynweber530]

I love that the imaginary friend would be in the crib with the toddler in sims 3 ❤😂

[@Zilkenian_Davenport]

15:27 I still remember the first time one of my toddlers did this in The Sims 3. I found it so cute I stared at him hiding inside the toy box for way longer than I thought.

[@mooonsi323]

The Sims 4 definitely won this one! ❤ infants and toddlers give a lot of gameplay and are adorable. I tried TS3, but it's not possible to buy anything from the store now so I only had crib and potty for them, was very boring and I deleted save to go back to TS4. I loved TS2 toddlers.

[@echostar2007]

Ok I’m suffering from cuteness overload right now. The toddlers and infants are cute period

[@CaptainRex767]

Bro sims 2 and 3 toddlers were absolute menaces still get flashbacks

[@Crazycartoonist8679]

No matter which stage you think is better you can't deny they will always be the cutest things ever especially with pets

[@jazznayaa]

the hiccups are adorable 😭😭😭

[@TheOG-GG]

Oooo I was waiting for this! Thanks so much for the great informative videos! I missed you :3

[@TheRedPlumbob]

You're very kind, thank you!

[@petrnovak7235]

Well, infants in Sims 4 are basically toddlers with some pre-toddler features, but it's sad that for most of those you need Growing Together. Don't get me wrong, Growing Together is great EP, probably the best for Sims 4 and I definitely recommend it. But I feel that some features from them, like better growing interactions for infants, milestones, quirks, carriers, or changing tables should be in base game. Without Growing Tohether, infants are like toddlers in previous games, especially in Sims 3, where toddlers were already trimmed down significantly from Sims 2. Still infants in Sims 4 are much closer to toddlers than Sims 4 toddlers. Those are more like preschoolers with some toddlers features. But calling them toddlers, when they don't even toddle... well, that's not the brightest idea Maxis ever had. My winner is still Sims 2 toddlers. They are the most realistic and most fun take on toddlers/infants Sims ever took. Sims 4 infants with Growing together are, however, close secong. Without Groeing Together, however, they would be far beyond Sims 3 and 4 toddlers, because they are just THAT boring. But, of course, that's just my opinion.

[@TheMya1988]

Thanks again for another great video❣One interaction that you seemingly missed (I think even with the earlier comparison videos), was the Sims 2 toddler interactions of begging sims on lot for attention; it is one of my favorites, because it allows toddlers to build relationships unique to other life stages, as well as the other mainline Sim installments. My critiques toward (my opinion) favored rating: While, this is meant as no fault to the Sims Community (which is awesome, in my opinion), Sims 4's barebones base game, hides most of its predecessors developmental stages behind paywalls, only patching in bread crumbs to the base, unlike Sims 2 & 3 (which the core values were never hidden behind paywalls; i.e. personality traits, transitional stages, etc.). I do not know if it is just me, but I think Sims 4 infants are just a glorified early toddler stage (that one has to buy multiple packs, to even begin to compare to what was patched into the base games of 2 & 3), that EA decided to cash in on later, what do you think? Is it just me, or do infants in Sims 4 appear older than infants? Sadly, I could not vote for Sims 4 infants, because, again, it is merely the early toddler stage, which still is mostly hidden behind a paywall. And I am with you Sims 2 & 3 are definitely the exceptions, "I pick 2 above 3 any day." My overall order still stands: 2-3-1-4 (and 4 just keeps falling further and further behind). I will continue to play Sims 1, 2, 3, Medieval, Castaways, along with most of the older spinoffs, while Sims 4 continues to just sit there with my complete lack of attention, due to boredom (I think Sims 4 might have actually killed the series), meanwhile I eagerly await Life by You and Paralives to eradicate my yearning for hoping for an above subpar Sims 5.

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Ah! Asking for things is such a basic interaction I do forget it's what the talking skill is for, sorry. As for infants, I feel like they're here for all the people saying babies are too limited and toddlers are too independent and launching them right before an expansion, which is focused on family, was a very EA move. I hope they change their ways, but it seems competition is exactly what they need.

[@__MPires__]

I agree with you! Most of these updates and many DLCs are amazing ideas, but the main problem persists, which is the boredom that the game itself is. I tried to play Sims 4, I just can't get excited when playing it. I can't put my fingers on why I feel they way. I guess the whole thing emotions system just doesn't cut it for me. Sims 2 and Sims 3 have way more personality and there's no emotions system integrated. And I won't even get started on the lack of open world. Hoping Sims 5 will bring that magic back.

[@TheMya1988]

@@__MPires__ "Boredom" is the key word description for me also with Sims 4. Whereas with all its predecessors (including Sims 1), that was never the case. Furthermore, there is far more emotions (especially lingering consequences), in Sims 2 and Sims 3, even in Sims 1 that it just begs the question how inept the Sims 4 emotion system is. With the way the emotion system is designed, instead of getting mixed emotional states, they override one another. But even if they were to try to fix it, I just think every sim would be bipolar (even that would be far more interesting than a hierarchal emotion system).

[@crazyhair07]

6:34 melted my heart ❤

[@johnnysimms]

The Sims 2 animations remain my favorite (so many details!) but I'm surprised at how much I genuinely enjoy the milestones with infants. My sim ended up having four babies just because I was having so much fun with them.

[@nickyrpg]

I love the infants & toddlers in Sims 4 but also, in Sims 2 ♥

[@calebethanwalker]

1:10 Say “ Thank God “ they have are hell in baby’s body and depletion of fun need is the biggest proof of what I say

[@junklex]

i think immersive gameplay-wise, ts4 wins hands down. but as far as personal preference, i like ts3 WAY better. ive never been a fan of how needy babies/toddlers (and now infants ugh) can be, usually aging them up quickly. but the game punishes you for that (bad traits, bad upbringing), and ts3’s store items for the toddlers strengthen their skills SUPER quickly. there’s a walker that wasnt in this video-they literally learn to walk in an in-game hour with that thing. its a godsend.

[@indedgames4359]

You forgot toddlers can be changed on the changi g table too and ts3 got a changing table in the StOrE

[@silyknow]

Yea and the sims 4 one is also behind a paywall for a higher price

[@LucyAdroit]

Sims 3's is optional since the diapers aren't created as trash while 4's are

[@petrnovak7235]

Which also can be used to bathe toddlers. And it works for babies, BTW. Whereas, in Sims 4, babies are still objects, despite years of requests to change that.

[@deinemudda6104]

@@silyknow This would explain why I never saw it in Game

[@seniorsim2754]

​@@silyknow I think it won't be long behind a pay wall because people just found out that the changing table is base game nust unaccessible without mods that unlock ot and also it looks like the rest of toddler (base game) furniture so it might come soon as a sdw.

[@crazyhair07]

The toddler yeeting the plate at 9:26 😂😂😂

[@AnastasiaCierra]

Since i have the Sims 4 when I aged up my baby it went straight to the dresser to play in it for some reason! But seriously their so cute.

[@Ikwigsjoyful]

I feel it was a bit unfair to use the Sims 4 infants as they are with the Growing Together dlc - if you compared the base game infants to Sims 2 and 3 toddlers, you would see the older games had a lot more going for them (and in the base game to boot). Also, in Sims 3 toddlers who had been taught how to talk could talk to other toddlers and build relationships while playing at the blocks table and the dollhouse; haven't played with a toddler in Sims 2, but it wouldn't surprise me if they could do it there too. And you missed out on the play peek-a-boo interaction between children and toddlers in Sims 3, which is adorable (and again, builds relationships)! Thanks for another great vs video - I appreciate the amount of effort you put into these! :D

[@TheRedPlumbob]

I cut a lot of things just to keep this brief since infants were just added and barely have much going on so I focused mainly on them (tho in hindsight I shoul've mention kid interactions for all), I was toying with the idea of just talking about them but it's just not my style. I won't do this anymore cause I too felt it wasn't fair but I could've kept going for hours if I were to mention every detail from them

[@Ikwigsjoyful]

@@TheRedPlumbob Well that's certainly true! (And yeah, I'll admit I'm also still feeling a tiny bit annoyed that most of what makes Sims 4 infants interesting is part of a pack, while in Sims 2/3 most of the interesting toddler stuff is base game - ah well.) We really enjoy your comparison videos, so I'm glad you're still doing them!

[@riachan1024]

Hear me out …. (No hate towards ANY opinion) I am not a sims newbie I have been playing this game since Sims 1. It’s not that I disagree with the whole 40$ for this and thaaat, it should be in the base game statements towards a lot of packs. Indeed some things are basics and I also think it should be just there. But as a game design student, A Sims lover and just as a human with an opinion I want to defend them a little. As a game design student I can tell you you can say “It should be just in the base game” On ALMOST” every pack in Sims 4….3,2 and 1. These packs exist not only for money but also for keeping the game alive and relevant for a long time. Pricing depends on a lot of stuff. Paying 40 dollars once in a few months is obviously your own choice (I am by no means saying everyone have the money whilst they do deserve and maybe want to enjoy the pack) but listen it’s just like I wanna play a game and I can’t buy it on steam so I can’t go and blame the Developers for making it cost money. I can promise you as game designers we don’t always just think of robbing you of money (PS. People need salaries lol) …I swear. Some of the prices of packs are definitely questionable 😅 and some should be free (in my opinion these would be seasons, parenthood, high school years and growing together) As just me I’d like to say that SOME people are very very hateful on anything EA does with sims today and always say that it’s a a sh***y game and look at sims 2 and 3 and on and on. Listen ofc sims 4 may be lacking but 1. They had some issues if I am not wrong with the game at launch 2. Sims 4 can also be better than other parts sometimes and 3. If you really hate EVERY pack they release like some seem to - go play sims 2 rlly no offense. I will go back and say that yes I agree with most opinions - Sims 4 does disappoint in a lot of places (For me timeline/storyline of sims 4which doesn’t exist almost, hit me the hardest) , Yes EA’s choices are stupid sometimes, Yes I also go down on them sometimes myself - But overall I think some people are just finding it fun to hate on EA and Sims 4 in every aspect and by the end of the day I am opening my Sims 4 again and pretty much having fun. I bet some of you do too….) Love y’all and please remember I didn’t mean to offend anyone with my opinion 😮😁

[@HolleWalle]

I think Sims 4 pisses me off the most because it often feels like they're testing the waters of what players will pay for, like remember the ballpit that was just an image? They would've left that the way it was if it wasn't for people complaining. That and many other things like ghosts, pools, toddlers, and terraintools being missing for so long make me think the people in charge of the game don't care about their game at all. If they really loved the franchise, how could they do this to it?? Taking very basic stuff out of the launch really ruined Sims 4 as an early player. The Sims is one of the best-selling games on PC, Sims 2 is still beloved, Sims 3 pushed the limits, Sims 4? It has a lot of the most underwhlming packs in the series, and Sims 3 had Katy Perry sweet treats, so I don't say this lightly 😂

[@GabbyJ-lt8tq]

They should've made it so toddlers can sleep in the toybox if they are really tired, but it would make them uncomfortable over time.

[@TheEtherny]

I guess you realize why that wasn't a thing 😂

[@vickyloach1931]

Taking a minute to appreciate that toddlers came with the Sims 2 and Sims 3 base at launch not 3 years after it.

[@reliever128]

I know it has nothing to do with the video, but it's my first time playing the sims 2 on the pc, a curiosity that caught my attention, was when the sims receive a call, if you live with more than one sim in a house , the caller sometimes asks if that sim can talk, then the sim who answered, calls him to answer the phone, he also walks and gestures on the phone lol

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Yes! It's a cute little detail

[@naadeiashie6053]

I'm surprised you managed to get good footage with the amount of crying infants do lol

[@TheRedPlumbob]

There's lots of times I had to teleport everyone out of the house lol

[@alexvelazquez8263]

19:20, Toddlers Can Do That? Kick Older Sims In The Knee? I didn't Know That!

[@awfurfracksake]

It's new. Not sure if they added it to the Base Game update or if it came with Growing Together

[@sklsdjf]

you can tell how much the sims team really needed to make up for sims 4's disappointment in the toddler department, they really went all out with infants and it shows. it's just too bad that effort came so late into the game's lifespan and isn't present in so many other areas.

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Elders should be next! I swear they need to think of these things before launching the game

[@Onyxcat12]

And no mention of the vampire kids that like to bite there toys in the sims 3

[@TheRedPlumbob]

I already mentioned that in the vampires comparison and didn't want to make this too long so I thought it'd be fine to just mention infant supernaturals have no powers

[@Onyxcat12]

Gotcha

[@haileydagracie7356]

THE POOR BEAR 😭😭😭😭 also I babysit an infant sometimes and she's so smart and cute she learned to clap super early and scream her lungs out but overall om happy to babysit her

[@maxthechamp04]

I love your sims series videos they are amazing

[@boitoju]

At least they don't throw their newborn in the "air" like the sims 2 in the late game😅

[@maxthechamp04]

I love your sims videos it’s amazing 90/10 it’s my childhood

[@1leon000]

Wait uh what I havent been playing sims in a while and THEY CHANGD HOW BABIES LOOK IN S4!?

[@TheRedPlumbob]

They added a new lifestage between newborns and toddlers

[@carolynvogan5217]

idk if the sims 2 or the sims 4 won but i can definitely say the sims 3 lost. bottles appearing out of nowhere, no diapers when you change them, no baby changing table, etc. The sims 3 is my favorite game to this day and i pretty much only play 3... but when it comes to infants/toddlers, 3 definitely lost

[@derplord_irl]

15:30 the way it looked at me 😳😨

[@Falamoy]

Sims 2 toddlers can also go and sleep on pets' beds on their own if i'm not mistaken

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Yes, I had all the pet interactions for toddlers included but I decided to cut them and add infant interactions as an extra instead cause I already mentioned that in my pets comparison and this video was getting too long lol

[@theimpossiblemary]

Winner: Sims 4, even though I believe they should have added this sooner with the Parenthood pack. But I just loved the Sims 4 toddlers and toys.

[@andrzejwoyniec1553]

Fun fact : in the sims 2 , toddlers can sleep in pet house and eat pet food

[@awfurfracksake]

I wish they'd add that into the Sims 4, even if if just for certain toddler traits (like I can imagine a Silly toddler would eat pet food) lol

[@xenay911]

Oh my god, why did they choose to have sims 4 infants sitting in a W 😩 it’s soooo bad, causes deformed legs in real life. I’m hypermobile and can still sit like that, and it’s recommended that I get multiple surgeries to fix it. I’m glad that my 18 month old nephew never sits like that. I’m literally cringing at their choice right now, making it seem like that position is perfectly normal and alright. But remove dog houses for breeding because it’s 'unethical' 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@GgrimrodD]

Sims 4 made a lot of improvements, I gotta admit as much as it pains me as a Sims 3 stan. One thing they did was better was babies and toddlers. Maybe not at first but as time went on they really knocked it out of the park

[@vengeful_toaster]

even sims 4 toddlers know how to teleport items to their hands

[@25isbetterthan24]

nice toddler: *cuddles rabbit cutely grouchy toddler: *Smashes it aggressivly against the floor*

[@gumgin]

Having toddlers in Sims 4 is quite a challenge. It really requires my Sims to quit job till they're reach children stahe life 😭. With all those festivals i really want to attend.... It's a hard gameplay 😅

[@angelinasamaan5974]

The sims 4 winner in my opinion cause they have more interactions with the babies!! Is so cute

[@fieratheproud]

I was playing with the Infant update around when it came out and was thinking about how they're sort of similar to Sims 3 toddlers, where Sims 4 toddlers are a bit older and can do more stuff by themselves. Also, are the milestones only in the Growing Together expansion? I don't think I had access to those with my 3 DLC packs (the free Holiday Stuff, the Kit that was free for a while before the basegane went free to play, and the one I paid for being Werewolves). I kinda wanna get it but... honestly, I can't really justify spending money on it when I find most of the gameplay in what I already have boring, even though I want to like it. Just can't seem to get into it no matter what I try, and if I'm feeling like that with the basegame and one pack that I paid for... Would spending more money really make it worthwhile? If I really need to buy most of the packs just to make the gameplay engaging, then it's probably not worth my money...

[@moonlitxangel5771]

Yeah milestones are a Growing Together thing.

[@mrabidos2173]

And again, TS2 toddlers are srsly the most bestest and cutest looking kid i've seen in my whole entire life ever!! ❤❤😍😍🤣😭😭

[@mrabidos2173]

​@@springsbliss4094 Yup, ohh yess!. You won't absolutely regret it, it's literally the most sims games ever!!!! ❤❤

[@nuzhatmaliat9258]

I had no idea ts2 toddlers could steal bottle lmaooo

[@moon-in-capricorn]

I feel like the design for ‘infants’ is weird, because they look like toddlers but do all the things infants would do. Maybe less hair (since most infants don’t have hair) and softer clothing options (like onesies and stuff) would’ve made more sense? Idk the infants just look like toddlers to me and in my brain infant = baby

[@ivefication]

Infants can have a lot of hair or even shocking! lashes. yall maybe never saw a real infant in real life.

[@petrnovak7235]

On the other hand, toddlers in Sims 4 mostly behave and look like preschoolers. And when you think about it, it seems to be a thing with all lifestages in Sims 4. Teens look and behave almost like adults, kids also look (though rarely behave) older then they did in previous Sims games. So yeah, I see a pattern here.

[@sklsdjf]

@@ivefication they can have thicker or thinner hair depending on the baby, but not in the same way as is shown in sims 4 with fully developed hair (like full curls or buns, etc.). thick hair (no thinning/bald spots) doesn't develop until age 2 which is toddler age, not infant age. and that's arguably okay because the sims 4 has a less realistic style which is more chunky and cartoony anyway. but I still think they look a little advanced for an "infant" stage personally. it's pretty obvious that infants were just shoehorned in as a way to make up for the lacking toddlers and newborns. but at least they finally got it right so I can't complain too much lol.

[@rileybrown4776]

Is it just me, but are toddlers in Sims 4 now taller and skinnier?

[@TheBlackCat015]

I’m sims 2, you can put a teddy in their crib to sleep and they cuddle it, if I remember rightly

[@hiyohoy]

The blow raspberry is also for children too btw!!!

[@TheRedPlumbob]

Qh, forgot to check, thank you!

[@dheanabila2162]

Eh, i feel like newborns and infants should be smaller... or, toddlers should be *a tiny bit* bigger. What's the point of having very similar lifestage? Idc if they're free, they're almost as neglectable as newborns without the Expansion, because they are an advertisement. Why have sims age from 0 to 1 to 3 then suddenly 10 then 18?

[@nuotatorre8741]

Because human in real life develop and grow at a much fatser rate when they are younger, a 1 year old acts in a compleatly doffrent way compared to a newborn. The same is true betwin a 1y.o and a 3y.o. Tha there isn't much difference betwin a 6 and a 10 y.o. Than the big changes come when they are teenagers.

[@hiyohoy]

infants are fine in size, so is everything else lmao, its supposed to be realistic

[@Kimera681]

Feel like I'm the only one who doesn't like the look of sims 4 infants. They don't look "baby" enough if that makes sense? The movments and everything is pretty accurate tho. They just look like short toddlers instead of a baby.

[@Tasha9315]

They could pass as older infants that are above a year old or at least above 14 months old. Personally I don't mind if they look at little older as they're cute.

[@Kimera681]

@@Tasha9315 True. Maybe they feel too old for me because the newborn stage is pretty basic with gameplay.

[@XxStarlightshyxX]

Sims 2 and 3's toddlers are superior. And way more adorable. Toddlers in TS4 feel like they tried way too hard to make them "cute," and the infants are just shrunken toddlers. They don't look like "real" infants. What they do, a toddler can easily do. 🤷‍♀️

[@nuotatorre8741]

From what I've played they are very diffrent. Infants need costant care from adults they might use some of the same toys as toddlers, but once they age up they gain so much freedom. While Infants just kinda exist, Toddlers are running all over the place discovering new things, learing skills, makeing friends, rebbeling against their parents exe... TS4 team dose a lot of sloppy things but this is not onenof them.

[@Andiamz]

Am I the only one who's just looking at how hot Anne is in the sims 4? I'm so weird

[@babyrosalinalovescoffee]

Finally a new vid

[@gravity_agreste9591]

Eu acho que as pessoas deveriam para de reclamar um pouco sobre The Sims 4. Ok, os bebês demoraram para chegar e não vieram para o jogo base, mas graças a essa demora por eles não terem trago, eles fizeram um trabalho mais que perfeito! Para mim esses novos bebês são sim um dos melhores, eu gostava de jogar Ts2 pelo realismo e os detalhes que haviam naquela franquia, e os bebês eram uma delas, porém agora no Ts4 há muitas e muitas coisas caprichosas que foram adicionadas no jogo... E foram feitas com muito carinho assim como fizeram na época do Ts2. E olhe que agora temos bebês para o jogo base também no Ts4 e além de uma infinidade de conteúdos com a nova expansão e junto com as outras também!! Então SE a EA demora para trazer um conteúdo que poderia ter trago lá no começo do jogo, foi para que num futuro próximo eles fizeram com muito amor e carinho o trabalho que está trazendo para o hoje. E se as vezes uma expansão, coleção de objeto, ou kit não for útil para alguns jogadores, há uma outra parte de jogadores que são gratos e apreciam aquele trabalho. Então, parem de colocar um "porém" ou um "mas" em TUDO que a EA trás para o jogo, veja pelo lado bom de alguma coisa pelo menos... Tem solução para tudo.

[@AliciasFRW]

It honestly is slight disappointing you need mods for some of the Sims 3 Features Example: Adults cannot play with toddlers. Child can. Also, you need mods just to bathe the toddlers in the tub. The toddlers are just more cuter in the 3 though in my opinion

[@laurenmalone8335]

I’ve got an infant who has the wiggly trait and he’s a snuggly sleeper, needless to say it’s a very annoying combination. When I put him in his crib at night his energy can be in the red and he’ll still refuse to sleep.

[@TheRedPlumbob]

My condolences, at that point I'd just age them up and hope for the best lol

[@stephaniejoobern1001]

From what I saw here I prefer the sims 4 as they are now (I think!) If only none of it was behind a pack or anything. I am not sure which I would prefer to play because I haven't played a family with toddlers on sims 4 recently. When I did in the past they were just OK but the rest of the gameplay was not interesting.

[@JadenfireYumiChi]

Don't care how cute or detailed infants or toddlers are in Sims 4 a lot of the features are paywalled & locked to a expansion pack, Sims 2 everything is base game minus couple store stuff Sims 2 is the best On infants & toddlers to me now after the last updates.