INFINITE DEMON PORTAL!? Kil'jaeden is so sick! | Dark Beyond Review #3

More Great Dark Beyond cards have been revealed, and here are my detailed thoughts and star ratings for them all.
Star Ratings: 20:18
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[@AirmanTerror180]

Its gonna be really funny when you draw that demon that attacks your hero and you just can't play it cause its been buffed by Kil'jaeden so much

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

Wild and the Demon Seed: It's even funnier when it makes the other person blow up! Any of the minions that make your hero immune: im sorry, were we supposed to care?

[@CodySchiemann]

worth it.. love cards like that... this will probably be my gold craft day one card... I love gold make other gold cards :)

[@serazetdinovdamir8907]

Why would astrobiologist discover a spell? She should discover a minion...

[@dumbcarbattery5916]

Agreed. Unless the flavor text explains it it makes no sense.

[@robinbruce7838]

I feel like for the Draenei they are so advanced that their science is (indistinguishable from) magic. And discovering a board clear is like designing a plague to haunt their enemies and a spell that buffs an allies is a bio augmentation and so on and so forth.

[@GabrielOliveira-vn6ci]

My gameplan in this expansion will be: play the big 8 cost that lauches the ship + gain a bajilion armor + play Kil'jaeden + pray to god the big dumb demons are enough

[@kamilnurkowski]

Meanwhile Odyn Warrior uses armor from ship as OTK... 😂

[@michaelbowman6684]

Kil'jaeden is infinite value + immunity to Fatigue, so it's the ultimate "Pure Control" counter. Hard loses to any Combo decks with alternative win conditions, and also Aggro decks that kill you before the infinite Demons would ever be useful, basically any deck that doesn't plan to win by out resourcing you, so basically this card would have been oppressively busted a couple years ago but in the modern day it just kind of exists, power creep bro.

[@WiiTara]

Yeah, but i feel like its a huge middlefinger to a mill archetype like mill rogue or mill druid which i feel like is a pretty bad design that this is an autoloss for these decks

[@bioi123]

@@WiiTara This isn’t anything new. Demon seed, jade idol, jade statues, ignite, etc also all punish mill. Mill is rarely a strategy they try to push anyways, they could just not print mill while this is in standard

[@WiiTara]

@@bioi123 But with all these (except maybe demon seed its still a competition. You can try to mill the cards quicker or be faster milling than eg. the mage cam put ignites in. I know its not a popular or strong archetype but like in general long lasting decks like also certain warrior decks like dead mans hand or so used to play have no chance here

[@arch1q892]

What combo deck in standard right now? Ele rouge spell druid? Its 1card you can build your normal deck just have it here just in case it will be most played card in expension

[@laurelkeeper]

@@arch1q892a 7 mana 7/7 do nothing that is tech against archetypes that won’t be playable? I don’t think so.

[@Tagswell]

small correction; Velen wouldn't repeat Astral Vigilant's battlecry because it's not a draenei

[@RedRune9]

Maybe he just meant you can copy Velen directly with it? Not duping the batlecry, just turn 6 Astral, turn 7 Velen

[@Tagswell]

@@RedRune9 Well he already mentioned the copying of Velen the turn after, since Astral gives a copy of your *last* Draenei. But playing Astral before Velen would just give you one of your other Draenei, the last you played. And Astral's effect would not be a part of Velen's effect. So I'm assuming Regis just forgot that Velen's effect only repeats battlecries and deathrattles of Draenei only. Or just sort of forgot that Astral is only synergistic with Draenei, but not a minion with the Draenei type itself. It's a simple mistake to make, though it would be way better if Astral were a Draenei. Draenei. = P

[@jackbrannan2322]

The biggest win I think Kil’jaeden has over cards like rheastraza and sagreras is that he doesn’t get shut down by Reno like the others

[@jeremiahsmith8499]

Gets countered by Rinn, the First Disciple though 😉

[@djoctavio1234]

​@@jeremiahsmith8499no i dont think he adds the cards to your deck i think its gonna work like that one duels treasure

[@Tatercon]

​@@jeremiahsmith8499 zeddy leaked how it works already. You get a 30 card deck of only demons that no mater what will be a 30 card deck of demons

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

The main difference is the anti fatigue part : Sargeras and Rheastraza are more reliable "infinites" but KJ can give you some extra gas in slow mirrors (some decks like blood dk which lack a real wincon against other late game strats could use this I think)

[@leventeemesz3857]

And no highlander condition

[@tessieract]

Might reinstall for this expansion, seems fun

[@agr0nianTV]

Same at least for a bit plus I haven't played for a long time so there should be some good returning rewards like last time I got a deck for free

[@zalanmarkus4939]

​@@agr0nianTVif I remember correctly the returning player free deck is for if you haven't played for at least three months

[@agr0nianTV]

@@zalanmarkus4939 Yay 😁 I haven't played for at least over a year myself

[@agr0nianTV]

@@zalanmarkus4939 Yay 😁 Apparently returnees get 6 loaner decks to try for a week and at the end of that week they can choose which one they'd like to keep. They never have current expansion cards, but otherwise look to be very solid decks like Razzle Dazzle Shaman and Reno Warrior which has the highest legendary count and dust worth

[@OrthodoxRabbiBillClinton]

I just know the signature kil’jaeden is going to go insane

[@riverd7361]

Always good to hear from my guy Regis. DEMONS! Been waiting on them to get better

[@PLJogging]

Kil'jaeden into Myra's Unstable Element dream.

[@WadeAllen001]

Game crashes.

[@noanimationexpert3843]

Wheel of death kil Jaeden seems fun

[@MasteroGaming]

very very very greedy n slow but fun

[@peshomighty5051]

Uh druid or highlander priest or shuffle rogue(shuffle you hand into deck get 7 demons) Wheel warlock huh remains to see.

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

It seems overkill, fatigue isn't really the biggest issue when playing wheel but maybe

[@peshomighty5051]

The problem I faced when playing wheel warlock is turn 7-9 you can't play a 8mana do nothing. I have been playing sludge on wheels and disposal assistant so when I play wheel at least you clear some 4health minions. You need board wipes turns 3-9 and healing and this health drink or pop'gar turn 6 remove two 4 health minions. Oh Clearance promoter duh play more minions Gnomelia SAFE pilot and sunspot dragon. Hopefully clearance promoter discounts your wheel.

[@sk8rdman]

I have to disagree about the Astrobiologist. I don't think that discovering a card next turn is that big of a downside. The big upside with this card is it's a neutral way to discover spells. All of the other ways to do this with neutral cards comes on a 3 cost minion, and those sorts of cards would be played in a variety of decks just to generate flexible resources. Often you'd play them on curve, and just pick a spell that you anticipate will be useful later on based on the matchup and/or game state. The ability to do that with a 2 mana minion I think is worth slotting in over the 3 mana options we currently have filling that role.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Dude, Regis is a HS noob, I wouldn't think much of his evaluation.

[@elijahmoore9414]

Dew process is really cool for a draw engine to pair Mil Jaedan. I know that wild is too fast for a deck like this to succeed. Any other draw engine that can give continual draw over time?

[@sorachaosblade7537]

I hope we get more Tribes in the game for example the Ethereals like Rafaam and Deep Space Curator, hopefully Pandaren, Gnomes, Goblins and Tauren. Though I'd imagine it would get rather difficult to limit one self to few Tribes for specific Menagerie decks so I can see the difficulty and need for tribeless minions with much needed effects. What do you think would be the easiest way to specify the Tribes you want to affect or resummon from cards like N'zoth? But cards that could give some bonus debuffs to for example: the next minion your opponent plays of a certain tribe you've played out of the Tribes you've played or even increasing the amount of debuffs but if either Stat goes to 0 it gets countered/objectioned. Maybe even transferring that next minion to your side of the board with its full stats if the conditions are met. It can be a neat way to counter play with a bad card like doomsayer. Just theorizing on how to improve and grow more interaction for HS.

[@sheildingepicness]

I think it would be kinda hard to balance more tribes before Draenei and quilboar get more love

[@shenronsgoldfish]

Can you wheel of death after kil jaeden?

[@kingjezza6567]

Or before…. Do you need cards in your deck to get the effect….

[@VerbalLearning]

I'm guessing Kil'jaeden making your deck immune to enemy shuffle effects also means your deck is immune to your own shuffle effects. If not for that i could see a Warlock deck that plays Mass Production after Kil'jaeden as a means to infuse the deck with card draw.

[@stillfredthephoenix]

I think this might be the most interesting and unique expansion we've had in years the card designs seem both fun AND powerful. year of the Pegasus has been pretty meh but this definitely makes up for it. I used to main a Draenei pally in wow so I can't wait to finally make my HS equivalent to my character.

[@nickjoseph77]

Kil'jaeden seems fun. Safe early, scary big after maybe 3 or 5 turns but unless you're holding draw spells before you play him, the portal might do very little.

[@damienmartin6244]

Kil'jaeden could be played pretty consistantly on turn 5 in chaman with locations, having demons scaling that early could be good

[@nickjoseph77]

Feels like a lot of neutrals this set. Very excited for a medium power draeni list and to try KilJ in some lists with heavy card draw.

[@Heatranoveryou]

why is astrobiologist next turn? make it a 1/2 and discover now.

[@WadeAllen001]

I'm sure you realized this afterward, but Velen will not copy Astral Vigilant's battlecry because Astral Vigiliant isn't a draenei. Honestly Astral Vigiliant should be a mech, but there would also be a case for making it a draenei and/or undead as well (because in WoW the vigilants are mechs powered/inhabited by the souls of draenei).

[@paulomatute4114]

So what happens with the endless portal with stuff like "rearrange your deck from highest cost to lowest cost"? Or the warlock legendary with cost equal to remaining cards in deck?

[@sorachaosblade7537]

I'd imagine it does Rearange the highest cost demons to the top of the deck but the bottom cards would be randomly generated as you draw along the deck. As for Fanotem I'd say it constantly stays at full cost since cards like giants only discount from base cost till zero. Still intriguing points should a wheel of death Warlock try to include Kil'jaeden for anti-fatigue. Hope this Helped ^-^

[@YouCalledForTheDoc]

Fano stays at max cause the deck is set to act like it is 30 cards forever. They thought of it. So if you want a free one you gotta do Wheel, Fano, Kil

[@oscargutierrez2125]

What will happen if you play Rogue spell that draws all your deck?

[@redfiend8746]

The 1 cost discover a demon, thr 6/6 taunt imps spawned by sacrificial imp, the taunt knights from queen or the lifesteal Dreadlord spawned off of the 8 cost taunt.

[@gruncleiroh5525]

Do you think Prince Renthal coming back would change any of these ratings or general thoughts on some cards?

[@sorachaosblade7537]

Still cards like Kil'jaeden do make for proper reasons to make a few more "Bane/Slayer" cards like the new "Star Vulpera" specific for starships though lets hope there will be more like Gollaka Crawler, Gollaka Glutton, Hungry Crab, EMP Operative and Scorp-o-matic. Plus "Light's Champion" could finally get some consistent use if theres enough demons with strong effects on board/buffs. Maybe Blizzard might buff or discount the cost of such cards for more frequent use. Perhaps cards that can discontinue/silence the battlecries of "for the rest of this game" effects if they're still on the board like with Hero Cards.

[@happygbug]

I do wonder kil' works with repeating his battlecry. Does that 2/2 buff stack or does it see it as replacing the demon deck with another demon deck and the aura gets replaced with it.

[@klok1014]

Am I the only one thinking that a control vs control matchup is just whoever gets a Kil’jaeden on board first??? Like, if you have the health and get the minion out even 2 turns before your other control opponent, you have such a massive likelihood of just absolutely overwhelming his minions since they will be 4/4 smaller on average. I really can’t tell if that card is nuts in control matchups

[@OptimisticRealizer]

I think Eredar could be a great card in Big Spell Mage or Control decks to handle Aggro in the early game. Considering Evolve Shaman and pirate decks are very strong. I still think they will be strong in the future:

[@timecloakgames6601]

I wonder how kil'jaden works with double battlecry

[@radircs9978]

Did Demonhunter not get teast with a demon deck? Kil jeaden on its own looks not good true but with a deck that is a deamon archetype anyway it could work out well.

[@peshomighty5051]

Kil'jaeden then Dungar or highlander Elise card. Or shuffle rogue?

[@shadownin1188]

Quick question: "What happens if you play Kil'jaeden with Brann?" I know the deck will not be any different but does the minnions get an extra +2/+2?

[@TheZanzou]

Saw kil'jaeden and immediately wondered... does the effect stack? If i say... shudderblock it, am I going to get +6/+6 a turn to my demons?

[@TheFrost0000]

Sincerely this is the first preorder i sid buy cause i love draenei and demons. But still i didnt got it. Is there some delay between the the time you buy it from the play store and the time you receive it in game?

[@markos50100]

My upcoming favorite cards will be the shaman shuffle asteroid elemental cards

[@phillipschmidt6295]

Would Kil'Jaeden interact with end of turn effects to speed up the +2 buff?

[@enderminn804]

how do you Dredge Kil'Jaeden? does a Diving Robot know what's at the end of the abyss?

[@riot6508]

what happens if you wheel of death with kiljaden? will it kill the portal? could maybe fit well into a deck like that if it dosnt

[@saltandvichips]

Kil'jaeden my beloved

[@GPismymom]

I wonder if kil'jaeden can give you kil'jaeden and if you play a second one it becomes +4/+4 per round instead...

[@charlethus748]

how does kil'jaeden interact with wheel of death 🤔 will wheel of death delete the portal or will you continue to draw demons afterwards

[@arch1q892]

Kiljaeden counters plagues too so that's good card it's insane card all deck will play it mark my word even aggro can olay for value

[@sheildingepicness]

If an aggro deck plays this, it’s a dead card

[@billymobilley1959]

interesting to know how this interacts with things like tony and tog

[@dmike3507]

Wondering how Kil'jaeden would interact with Tony.

[@n00dle_ow]

I wonder how Steamcleaner would interact with a Kil'jaeden deck

[@songbirdsandsandwiches8217]

Even though all the cards are already out still love these videos

[@udllord]

Deep Space is a Druid Card with its mage tourist it can activate with tsunami

[@NevirSurrender]

Kil’jaeden def feels like old elysiana, just a super deck reload for slow control decks

[@gigikun1]

@9:00, it's not a draenei, it wouldn't repeat

[@freshjori]

Wheel of death into Kil'jaeden might be good.

[@egbert5871]

what if you add stuff back into the deck?

[@AlfiansyahHendry]

Ok that Ogrebin profile pic is epic

[@SchplatJR]

Why aren’t Kil’jaeden and Archimond not Dranei? We have multi tribe minions. They should be both!

[@BlueSapphyre]

Because they’re not draenei. They’re Eredar. Draenei are uncorrupted Eredar, the corrupted Eredar became demons.

[@nategray6861]

Wheel of Death into Kil’jaeden?👀👀

[@darthkerzy]

Finally a card that shoots plague DK in the face

[@criticaltipper7699]

Can’t wait to run this in mill druid

[@Deathnom]

Kil'jaeden looks busted. 5 turns after you play him, you get a random demon with +10 +10 in stats. As long as you have removal/healing/card draw in hand it looks super strong. He seems like hed be a better fit thematically for warlock/demon hunter

[@djcoleman77]

What happens when I swap decks with you?

[@andrewjostrander]

KJ shutting down shuffle in strategies kind of sucks. If a deck with him gains popularity, it's going to eliminate an entire win strat. Luckily his relative clunkiness will make him a niche card.

[@andrewjostrander]

Also, a control lock that plays this can generate a bunch of Mechanized Production, hold them, play them when ready to pop KJ and fill your hand and just end your turn with a hand full of demons and no shuffle in downside of Mech Production.

[@soltanprime9162]

When released ?

[@DRraven-sv5nu]

Why Kil’Jaeden is not 6/6/6?

[@nehen2225]

They were afraid it was too good

[@TannerLindberg]

@@nehen2225 the average game ends by turn 7 lmao even if this card were a 6/6/6 it wouldn't be very good. dont listen to giga casuals like regis almost all comp players agree this card is mega bad.

[@tbestialhuntress8237]

Only way i would use it to avoid fatigue. Nothig less nothing more *

[@TW-fs3fj]

I think you're downplaying the Curator too much. Its a 2/4 at worst. Most decks don't have turn 3 responses for that statline unless they already established a board presence.

[@christopherbronson3275]

Kil slots well into wheelock

[@PolineChan]

Any 5+ mana cards will be a 1 star card when the aggro deck can kill you turn 3-4.

[@moreregis]

Classic 1-star cards in the meta right now like Marin and Zilliax.

[@chuggajr]

Whoops more Jailer support

[@white970]

i am gonna play kil jaden in druiD HAHAHAHAHA

[@RuyLopezTheSicilian]

Kiljaeden, then double void contract

[@trixmtll1393]

what happens if you play multiple kil'jaedens? do they get buffed by +4+4 each turn? does it make it look like you have a 60 card deck? and then a 90 card deck? how many off-board spaces are there? for those portals lol

[@Masterkno]

it could be that your deck will be replaced which deletes all buffs and then all demons get 4/4

[@Theonepieceisfriendship]

17:00 in no world is aggro playing 1-2 minions to play around this card. Give me a break lol.

[@Dani.G_German]

Mil druid crying rn

[@BrandinBerry]

Yes

[@Anch54321]

If only the Jailer card was useful.

[@alex2d]

Listen, I don't want to sound like a racist but can someone who knows Warcraft explain to me how Kiljaeden and Archimonde ARENT Draenei? They sure look like the other Draenei

[@shocknawe]

Because Draenei are the surviving Eradar from the Orc attack pushed on by Kil’jaeden. Kil and Arch made pacts for power and so also have fel magic. They have so much if it, in fact, that some even consider them just demons. “Draenai” means “exiled ones” in their language. They took on this name as a token to remember their lost planet and fallen kin.

[@Gahnt999]

The Eredars are Draenei that made a pact to serve Sargeras. They are no longer Draeneis, they hace "mutated" if you will.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

They're demons

[@Sonofhroft]

Larger and larger man no way xD

[@proofmr2]

introducing yet ANOTHER tribe just further dilutes and pigeon holds viable decks with each release. They fumbled runes and now this...

[@degozaru1235]

hate with my soul when mfs fill my deck with bombs and plague cards, thanks god bro

[@alcodark]

should be a Titan

[@MrSakki14]

If you never beat Kil'jaeden in sunwell plateau you have no right to mention him, if you never fought Archimonde in the Battle for Mount Hyjal you better not even mention him. How great those fights were and how good those raids were in WoW on their Prime, I'm happy that finally after so long, they remembered a little of WoW's Lore and included it in HS. I think this is the way, enough of cowboys, toys and perils shitty´s expansions 😅

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

All the cards were leaked, yet you people still nickel and dime with videos released in parts. smh

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

They have to follow the release schedule to avoid getting in trouble with Blizzard probably

[@TannerLindberg]

this card is going to be garbage. and watching all the non comp hearthstone youtubers pog over it is pathetic. EVERY SINGLE tier 1 and 2 deck kills you on turn 4-7 every single one with out fail. there isnt a single deck in the game right now that even gets to turn 8. for kiljaden to be good games would need to go to turn 12 plus since consider the random cards you get wont be able to heal you and virtually no chance you get a taunt. so it does nothing on turn 7 the last turn of the average game then it does nothing on turn 8 and it isnt until turn 9 that the buff gets scary. and EVEN THEN just having scary high buffs dont matter if you dont have taunt or charge or rush or some way to use it right away. in fact according to hs replay stats only 1% of games in legend go past turn 9 thats right 1 fucking percent this is a card that assuming you draw it on curve (lol that has a less then 5% chance of happening btw) has a less then 1% chance of even providing any kind of real value. it would need to start in your hand and go down by turn 4 or 5 at the latest and you know what? IT STILL wouldnt be tier 1