Infinite Lagrange | All Frigate Variants Ranked

[@smooticus1691]

Variants!!! There's like no information anywhere on variants, so I'm so glad to see this information FINALLY put out there. THANKS so much, hope to see info on all the other class variants soon!

[@Damphyre]

Getting there! My union whale is helping me out 😂. But I think we have all the destroyers, so maybe next week for that. Not sure on a eta for cruisers.

[@CarlJohnson-wb3bx]

Was waiting for a variant-video! Thanks Damp, keep it up.

[@Damphyre]

Takes so long to gather all this information on all the variants together 😅. I'm hoping I can try get destroyers out next week. But not a clue for cruisers.

[@jerodzhao1078]

Hurrah

[@donaldmclean5595]

Excellent work! Technically, this isn't every variant - only the ones that users can build themselves. There are other ships that can only be purchased from trading posts. Also, if you don't mind, I'm going to put your rankings on the Fandom wiki.

[@Damphyre]

Haha yeah that's correct it's all the ones from the blueprints. I will have to do a ranking the city ships guide at some point 🤔. But absolutely use it for the wiki 👍, destroyers and variants out this week.

[@liquifaction1]

The Corilion Anti-Air variant has been my primary tank for weeks and I've been able to take down much larger targets because the enemy can't hit them. They are front line and when fully upgraded (evasion can be upgraded in 3 different subsystems on them) you are looking at Evasion percentages: 85% Direct Fire, 105% Missile, 95% Torpedo, +25% against Slow Weapons (whatever that means). Bases only target them so I take almost 0 damage when attacking a base / city that doesn't have aircraft. Even while on the front line they often times out-survive the larger ships I have on mid / back lines. Their AA and regular damage is absolutely terrible though, I've destroyed carriers and they've done 0 AA damage.

[@Damphyre]

Hahahaah that's crazy and really good use! I may have to give that a go myself. There's a few ships I think you can get some nuts dodge rate on, wonder if you could use them as like a decoy fleet to tie up players fleets in blockades.

[@stzine7409]

lol I do that in my FG300 armoured frigate only problem is that some ships can hit mid and back rows

[@Nikarus2370]

>Their AA and regular damage is absolutely terrible though, I've destroyed carriers and they've done 0 AA damage. AA damage as a whole seems bugged. Feels like your ships will only do AA damage if they themselves are under attack by the fighter/corvette.

[@liquifaction1]

@@Nikarus2370 their damage is very terrible. I use them because they take a long time to be destroyed which is what you want in a tank. They will only tank for frigs and destroyers for the most part. If you have cruisers or higher in your fleet you will also need something heavier on front line to cover for those.

[@revynsightz]

May i know your tech build sir ?

[@exogenoussymphony6177]

Absolutely love the Lagrange videos they are very helpful thank you 👍

[@Damphyre]

Thanks for the support! Hopefully destroyers and all variants next week. Not sure on cruisers yet but I will get all of these out.

[@Raziel0424]

Can't wait for the destroyer tier list if possible, the Ceres that carrier you like has a heal support variant as well with 2 healing UAVs

[@lotsoffreetime8392]

Yes variant videos love it...didn't know that ruby has an ion type and noma has anti air that's new to me anyways cant wait for another variant video

[@Damphyre]

Cheers! There's some cool varients. Something someone pointed out to me in the comments is the AA carillion can have so much dodge chance it's basically a tank 😅. Hopefully destroyers next week, I think I'm missing a few so need to find who has them.

[@lotsoffreetime8392]

@@Damphyre i didn't know AA carillion can be considered as tank i don't think i will accept them as tank ship but hey at least you have a tank frigate and also take your time on destroyer variant some them can be pretty useful and if you do cruiser variant that will take some time to gather all kinds of Variant

[@gabebernal4341]

You are the BeST DAMP!! Well done!! Good luck on your tranqili-ity-it-astas pronunciation! ☆☆☆☆☆

[@Damphyre]

Ahahaha, it will never happen 😅

[@MrGameleon]

I recently got the Noma M470 Siege Type and they seem to have fixed the Siege UAV. Against a pirate Outpost, they outdamaged my Base-Taurus by far and came close to the damage of upgraded Base-Hussars in terms of Siege damage. They are still very situational, as they get outdamaged by Armored FG300 in Shipdamage, but if you need to besiege a base in an Asteroid Belt, they could be somewhat useful.

[@Damphyre]

I'll double check this then if it's fixed. Definitely worth maybe using a small fleet of them to smack a outpost down or something before someone could retaliate if they are fixed.

[@bolangmabola]

@@Damphyre Were you able to check this? Did they fix the siege UAV already. Got a Noma Siege and Mare Nub Siege planning to build a specialized fleet to target outpost and mining platforms.

[@madkillerz007]

The Mare Tranquilitatis Interceptor is meant to counter missiles - both its cannons and rockets target missiles and torpedoes - not sure how useful they are since its only 2% for missile and torpedo but since it fires so often, it might actually be able to shoot down these types of weapons before they hit your ships

[@ironheartbannerlord2815]

my questions about the UAV Carrying ships why they have so much hangers in ships details and can only bring 1? for example the NOMA you can see it that it has 4 Hanger slot but it says on the description it can only carry 1

[@DaxSass]

I dont have the variants of the Nemo, but the siege type Nemo has an anti aircraft surrounding expension, so it can cover nearby units with its weak AA weapons. I hope the variants also have that ability.

[@Nikarus2370]

IDK about when the video was made. But when I started the 799 box had the Hussar, Reliat, and Mare Tranquilitatis (instead of the Mare Serenitatis)

[@LorienGL]

We've seen 4 heal support, Ceres support has 2 UAVs. For the tests that the guy in our union has done, the best support is the noma, heals more than the rest and survives more too.

[@Damphyre]

Huh interesting! Especially the noma being the top healer 🤔 wasn't expecting that. I have the ceres so hopefully I can get the support varient, although I have guardians.

[@LorienGL]

@@Damphyre yeah, he put in a fleet all of the heals n fought different lvls of privateer fleets, total of around 20 fights, and noma always outhealed the rest by more than double, Guardians were the worst surprisingly. Maybe different types of tests shid be conducted thou.

[@Damphyre]

just came across something that keeps up with the Noma healing. The ceres has a support variant sporting 2 healing UAVs

[@LorienGL]

@@Damphyre yeah, ceres dishes huge healing... But we've seen it dying a lot more often than noma. I guess u need to protect it with some armored destroyer to avoid that.

[@admontblanc]

@@LorienGL doesn't that mean that individual ability of each ship aside, it works much better if you have proper fleet design? So if your best healing ship is that frigate, which most players seem to consider useless/bad, then if you pair it with a tanky frigate that sits more at the front, then your fleet will be much harder to kill overall. I'm still trying to figure this out, but from what you're saying this seems to be the case.

[@micheleh6544]

I got terrible pulls from the black boxes and ended up becoming a siege specialist because I couldn't compete with anyone with a halfway decent fleet. NOMA was my MVP, Mare Nubium close second, and I put seige enhancements on the KCCPV. So even if the RNG gods give you trash, have hope, you can still find your niche and be valuable to your union.

[@Damphyre]

Absolutely! And siege specialists can actually do a lot of work. Like hitting outposts before players can relocate to support their unions and stuff like that. Actually really useful and I personally run a small siege fleet just for this reason.

[@VoiDLeprichaun]

I cant wait to see more variant videos! I love seeing all the different types! My question is, who is excited for Auxiliary and Battleships?!

[@Damphyre]

Battleships for certain! Auxiliary for me are logistics capitals, so not so keen on those.

[@VoiDLeprichaun]

But those might give us fleet-wide buffing or enemy debuffing

[@basadojamaican]

She baked all my beans. Yes, all. Oh brother.

[@Damphyre]

Did she at least add cheese?

[@Mathyr]

Don't know if it's fixed now but right now Anti Air is actually pretty sub optimal because most Anti Air ships only defend themself, except if they have the tech to extend the Anti Air fire to the entire fleet, which not all of them have

[@Call_Me_Ainz]

Do you know which ones do?

[@mobilechaosyt]

I only see the Reliat, Mare Tranquilitatis, and Winged Hussar in the United Tech Files Special Package. The Mare Serenitatis isn't listed which is a reason why I didn't rebuy the box once I got my Winged Hussar. Plus I already have a Ruby Railgun, so I'm looking for Defense, and anti air mostly but Ion Damage would be good too.

[@kevindominguez8797]

What are those direct fire weapon and indirect fire weapons? Can you give me a sample im kinda confused thanks.

[@Damphyre]

Sorry I don't think I've actually covered that properly. Another video to do 😅 such a long list. So direct fire refers to weapons that shoot in a straight line, things like ion cannons and ballistic cannons. Indirect refers to things like missiles and torps that can ignore rows.

[@kevindominguez8797]

@@Damphyre i see thanks! that clear things up a bit for me., im kind of wondering in regards to xenostinger, hmmmm are they direct or in direct 😁, anyway thanks man your great guy. Ill ask some newbie questions to you again soon. 👽

[@bunny_shares]

I'd just like to share that XenoStingers do way more anti-air damage than even Janbiya. Like, WAY more. Many times more. If you're fighting enemy aircraft, I think the AA XenoStinger is S-tier for sure. I wish I could say the same thing about the AA Callisto... thought it'd work the same way as the XenoStinger given it has the AA UAVs as well, but so far I haven't managed to get it to do more than 0 AA damage in a battle.

[@bunny_shares]

To put a specific number on this... had a fight where I took in four AA XenoStingers and four Janbiya on Tundra carriers. The Xenos did 6337 AA damage. The Janbiyas did 845. Even carrying full compliments of Janbiyas and Strix before in phase 1 I almost never saw enemy fighters die before I destroyed their carriers... adding four AA XenoStingers to my fleet, I saw the entire enemy corvette complement (four Silent Assassins) die in 31 seconds. The carriers holding them (AC721s, not even strong carriers) lasted almost twice as long.

[@admontblanc]

@@bunny_shares maybe they have the fleet protection subsystem as someone else was saying, the AA ships that have it will protect the entire fleet vs Aircraft, while the ones who don't only fight back if they're being specifically attacked by Aircraft. That's good to know, seems like some of the AA ships at least aren't useless.

[@kjfett3]

You summarized the Carilion - Special Frigate variant as Anti-Air. I believe this is not correct. It is mainly an agility tank. It does have "okay" AA defenses, but the Warning System, Information Jamming System, etc. all add up to justify the S rating for Survivability. Most all of the skills are focused on making this ship impossible to hit and its Roles, while being AA, are also Front Row and High Evasion. Way better than the FG300 armor for tanking in fast fleets and when combined with Guardians or Tundras, might even be a bit OP at times.

[@erkishhorde]

By "Big Box" do you mean the United Tech Files "Special Package" that costs 799 and you can only buy it 3x? If so, that's a Mare Tranquilitatis, not the Serentitatis. As someone else pointed out. The United Tech Files box is Reliat, Mare Tranquilitatis, Winged Hussar.

[@Damphyre]

Yeah that's what I meant. They're worth it for the reliat variants imo and the first hussar. But yeah got mixed up with all the damn mare this and mare that 😅

[@lordlj339]

The Ca recon is actually worse than the FG300 recon. For the purpose of using it as recon. But it is better as an interceptor than the fg300 recon. Also the Stealth Reliant is S tier for its ability to target large ships’ subsystems. The thing with only focusing on one ship series is that the variants will have to share the tech points from the leveling.

[@patrickong6543]

Hey hopefully this hasn't already been pointed out but you made a small mistake: The Carilion recon is not better than the FG300 recon. The Carilion is actually slower than the FG. They both have a base 1100/5500 cruising/warp speed, but there is a difference in their engine enhancements. The Carilion can get +22% cruising and +15% warp, while the FG can get +30% cruising and +15% warp (or the other way around if you want). Then you look at their command point cost and the Carilion costs 4 while the FG only costs 3. Overall, it doesn't really matter THAT much which you use as a recon, but since everyone gets a free FG recon there is no reason to ever build a Carilion recon

[@Damphyre]

you are correct I actually went back and had a look. Huh the carillion really is useless then well unless you like it for the visual appeal.

[@kevinsears7300]

the 2nd recon ship is also a front row evasion tank... just gonna throw that in there, it can tank better than your FG300 Armor

[@Damphyre]

I'm not sure on that. I'm double checking at the moment with the devs. But I believe evasion is the chance for the ship to retreat to base for repairs not dodge as they have things that are specifically chance to miss.

[@justinapps3047]

What this ion cannon fg300 I heard of

[@jameskandosii240]

Hey Damphyre! I was curious if you ever heard back from the Devs on siege UAV's or if it has been buffed recently? I want to build a siege fleet for supporting attacks on cities and outposts but not sure if I should dump resources into Noma or Mare.

[@Damphyre]

Looks fixed from what people have told me. I however have not had the chance to check personally

[@jameskandosii240]

​@@Damphyre I just finished testing. It is fixed but still needs a buff. The amount these ships output is not nearly worth the CP they take up.

[@jameskandosii240]

I know this is an old video now but I have a question for you regarding the Carilion Special Frigate. Did you ever find out through testing to see if the dodge chance is fleet wide or singular to that ship?

[@Damphyre]

Singular to that ship from what we tested. Certainly didn't see any increases to survivability on other ships in fleet anyway.

[@jameskandosii240]

@@Damphyre IDK how you always respond so many comments but thank you! Slowly but surly we will understand these ships and their functions haha

[@candiedfrogs1]

Hey, not sure if it is somewhere here and I just can't find it, have you made this tier sheet into a picture with names for quick referencing? Amazing work on the video, you've got me subscribed 😁

[@Damphyre]

It's in the description, for future reference on these vids, well if I remember to put them there. tiermaker.com/list/video-games/infinite-lagrange--frigates-all-variants-tier-list--569494/1444867 Thanks for the sub!

[@adam_speed_skater]

Hello man! Are you doing any new movie for Titan build / info in Galaxy Reavers 2?

[@Damphyre]

It's highly unlikely. The content releases in the game are a complete joke, the titans are just a gimmick at the end of the day and there's no balance changes they've made that are substantial in the year and a half I've played and almost an entire year of covering the game. On top of that the devs stole video's off me and stuck them on their own channel.

[@davidhassan4662]

I can't for the life of me get AA to work. Ive used mere nubium and mere tranquilitatus aa variations and reliat and in the battle results even though they are SUPPOSED to prioritize aircraft they wo t shoot at them. The only damage I've ever managed to record is from the standard carillon rec. HELP*

[@Damphyre]

AA works 3 different ways in set parameters. 1 AA only attacks the aircraft attacking the ship. 2 specialist AA ships can protect the row from aircraft ie any ship getting attacked in front row will be defended by the AA in the same row. 3 fleet wide AA (as far as I'm aware this is only on the xeno stinger defensive). So when you click the AA weapon in blueprints click the icon that usually says 'anti-aircraft range' it should tell you which of those 3 types it is. Just to note with the exception of a few ships, most ships AA is abysmal and I recommend running carriers of your own with either spore, mistral or sandrakes.

[@davidhassan4662]

@@Damphyre I looked under range for reliat mere tranq and nubium they all say "can counter ships that invade position" (except the nubium which has nothing for its uav) but in all my interactions they've never once shot at the pirate stingrays. When all of my mainline ships they are supposed to be supporting are in the same row* I've never even seen the nubiums launch a uav. Super frustrating 😤 why even have the ships if they do nothing?

[@davidhassan4662]

@@Damphyre thanks for answering BTW appreciate you and your content 😁

[@tukangfeeder5724]

Wich research pack containing little bit better ship than FG300? Help me

[@erkishhorde]

Do you know anything about if pirate bases respawn? I've killed a couple on accident when I got distracted and couldn't retreat before finishing them. Will they ever come back or do you eventually just have to move if you keep killing them on accident?

[@Damphyre]

Have to move. They don't respawn, if you're referring to outposts that is that you gain control of afterwards.

[@ronaldstorey3238]

Danke preciate the work

[@thegamerboneless2864]

How do you get the variants, I unlocked the fg300 variants, but I didn't pay attention how I did it. It was early game and i was still on the fence weather i would keep playing. Now that I'm immersed, I havent really got any good Bps, since I started. I got the noma, and would like to unlock the support variant, since me getting a tundra, or guardian is probably not gonna happen for a while..lol PS: I'm assuming I just gotta use them and upgrade it to unlock the variant, but not sure..

[@madkillerz007]

If you open a box and get a ship you already have, it will give you a chance to unlock a variant, you can unlock it in 1 go or have to find it multiple times to unlock it

[@aezrehl4268]

Did you actually test these ships out? I have the chimera variants that I heard you wanted, but I wanna know if any of these tiers have any basis or tests done at all

[@Damphyre]

Tests are done by the players that have the ships. Usually ask them to put a single ship of the variant plus a Cass (base varient, this is a reference point for me) into a fleet and get them to attack a level 5 pirate and see the damage outcome. Other than that, it's maths based as the game gives you all the information you need for the most part, armour is flat damage reduction, energy is % damage reduction, etc etc. So calculating damage levels is fairly easy, there's exception that need to be made for certain ships, abilities and strategies though. But I try keep the testing and math as simple as possible.

[@Damphyre]

Oh I got the chimera variants sent to me already so no worries. Still looking for the Io siege though, that will be interesting as I have seen its main gun seems to be more damage than the standard varient, also looks to target larger ships and bases as expected, will need to test to make sure it shoots smaller ships.

[@arandomsystemglitch]

honestly ship aa and aa uavs really need to be fixed so they actually are useful mostly cause of the amount of aircraft being added sure it doesn't really matter much but that's only when it was before any new aircraft got added and honestly I don't really see a point to even talk to the devs because they know about it but they have done jack shit about it I've seen so many suggestions on it and it's very stupid considering we haven't gotten shit done to ship aa since the very first "beta" which should be called alpha cause that's what it was

[@DanielSmith-zx5pj]

Please do each ship variants for each class tier? Destroyers and then cruisers for your next videos

[@Damphyre]

Destroyers next week I think. Just double checking I can get a vid of all of them 👍. Then cruiser hopefully the week after. But this is all subject to getting the details of them all.

[@MagicMarvin33]

The Carilion is very good. Max the evasion and they just don't die

[@marcusfarias1996]

Damphyre I'm need to know how to win the game, my union already have citys and I don't know how to progress. the only way is start a war? I enjoy you content s2

[@Damphyre]

You need occupancy at least 40% and also the lagrange gate when it's built. You can see which cities have occupancy when you click on them but general rule of thumb is cities that are level 6 and above give occupancy.

[@johnboi42]

Are the Xeno Stingers good in the mid to late game using them against carriers?

[@Damphyre]

I've had moderate success with them late game. Mostly becuase they did extremely fast. You willing need some rank frigates out to keep them alive.

[@johnboi42]

@@Damphyre thanks, I’ll reconfigure them as I’m moving into the mid game now 👍🏽

[@anonanumerical367]

Could you read them off in a list at the end so I can write them down?

[@Damphyre]

Will do that in the future.

[@rpproductions9189]

It seems like seige UAVs don't work as of this video, can anyone confirm if that's the case now?

[@Damphyre]

I heard noma has been fixed although it's basically still worthless and siege is generally out damaged by generic weapons anyway 😅

[@ghosthunter2183]

Can you do a video explaining warping in this game.

[@Damphyre]

I have a few videos planned but I will add this on my list for a tips video. In the meantime though to help you out. Warping is faster than cruising considerably faster. To get a fleet to warp, you have to have another fleet like a recon ship already at the destination such as a operation circle. Just to note you can warp to Union members outposts (mining too), bases and Union controlled cities too and you do not need to have a fleet to warp to in these instances.

[@ghosthunter2183]

@@Damphyre Oh ok thx and very helpful video also never knew noma has support varrient.

[@OBAskincare]

the Armored Ruby: Upgraded, it brings the armor to 52, not 46 :) the AA Carilion: Is massively evasion/Stealth

[@ReepsWasteOfTime]

I got the ruby rail gun frigate in my first crate!I am so lucky!

[@Damphyre]

That is lucky! Although early game xeno I find works better. But mid game the Ruby stays much more relevant especially its variants.

[@joseworldentertainment3717]

I have a question: how can I find the variants?

[@Damphyre]

Get a duplicate of a ship you already have

[@rpproductions9189]

35 times 20 times 2 equals to 1400 every 20 seconds, not bad for the Reliat

[@Damphyre]

Yeah does surprisingly well. One of my union members swears by it early game 😅

[@Call_Me_Ainz]

I have winged hassar and I still can't justify removing my maxed out fleet of anti ship Reliats, they deal almost the same damage as my winged hassar and more damage then my carrier cruisers that use the same command points

[@zacharyiannetti8897]

What role does evasion play?

[@Damphyre]

I'm not 100% sure. But it's a % chance to dodge attacks more or less less.

[@jasninfury2279]

Bender .. for Draco Union 🤞

[@soonyeehang6737]

The Carilion actually is better than the FG300A by a long shot cause I've been experimenting the Carilion an I think it should've been A at least cause it's high evasion rate makes it really good at dodgin enemy shots.

[@Damphyre]

Yeah say that to the guy with carillions that literally maybe a day ago got dismantled by my fleet.

[@soonyeehang6737]

But they aren't really meant to fight in PVP though cause they fight more like pirates and what not

[@soonyeehang6737]

I've actually did far more experiments then just on NPCs. I also had to ask a friend from another Union to destroy my ships. Plus they can only 1 v 1 NPC ships. Really I am just experimenting with the ships.

[@soonyeehang6737]

@@Damphyre Although I bet that guy didn't even know that.

[@soonyeehang6737]

I did more research on it and it turns out that it can actually have a 95Percebnt evasion and I can tell that the guy might not know this. Although once the ship reaches 20 percent then it will be evasive for 40 secs.

[@misterseventyseven4122]

Ruby is my frigate

[@LorienGL]

Noooice!!

[@LorienGL]

Intrigued to see what you say of noma support ;)

[@AndresRodriguez-kq6wd]

Battle cruisers please

[@Damphyre]

Not even close to unlocking all the sub systems for all the battlecruisers unfortunately. It will get done, but I'm not sure of when.

[@michaelzimmerman1745]

Need dupes and that's gonna cost thousands of dollars even then u r not guaranteed to get em

[@briansantos5806]

I... I scraped a armored Ruby bp... I didn't knew it was good.... Fuck...

[@Damphyre]

oops

[@markusmao6430]

They gimped ruby Railgun type it is now (2021-10-07) Doing 3200 dam per minute which put it doing LESS DAMAGE THAN A MISSLE BOAT Mare Tranquilitatis base model: 3400 dam / minute. Stupid Devs, whenever you see a railgun doing less dam that missiles you can bet they skip their physics classes.

[@chrisisaacson647]

it's pronounced: "Mare Tranquilitatis"! comon now.. it's easy to say! ;)

[@Damphyre]

Still can't say it properly 🤣

[@OrtuSolaris]

Please put time stamps

[@Damphyre]

Ahh interesting. There's a new feature that's meant to automatically put them, I was trying it out. Obviously didn't work. I'll manually stick it in. Cheers 👍

[@OrtuSolaris]

@@Damphyre thanks dude subscribed :)

[@michaelzimmerman1745]

Xeno variant eh

[@Damphyre]

Yeah shame there's only 2 variants for the xeno.

[@michaelzimmerman1745]

@@Damphyre one I really want is ion ruby

[@Damphyre]

Yeah looks beastly! Wish I had it myself 😅

[@michaelzimmerman1745]

@@Damphyre had armored ruby last time

[@wolfsruhm]

kinda cringy when someone tries to distort (most likely unknowingly) latin names into generic american ones. for someone with an ear for names it just sounds so damn wrong.

[@Damphyre]

Wasn't trying generally didn't know. Also I'm British not American...

[@wolfsruhm]

@@Damphyre i am sorry for asuming, and i mean no ill with it, it is just a thing with me, sorry