INFJ: Demon Observer Can’t See Reality!

[@phodilus2141]

as an INFJ, success comes when i sit and learn the information that i previously considered unworthy of learning or irrelevant.

[@anthonycarlucci7464]

I’m early here df are they talking about ni bc dez nuts

[@ajaykumargautam5665]

I still considered unworthy...searching reason to follow ur statement

[@johnniedilangcruz9287]

Nice. I think you meant Lead Ni's simply Relive what they thought of in the past-w/c is already the present by now-while still thinking about the future-w/c is what our tendency is. Clever!

[@MithraSemiramis]

same

[@maxcrowe]

This advice is GOLD

[@zachcrabtree9639]

If you're an INFJ then just do a mindfulness practice three times a day for 10 minutes a pop. That's what I do and I run a successful business, which you have to be continually in the moment for. Also, don't let these clowns get you down, keep going INFJ's 👍

[@post-humangod2575]

@@FashionBIRD404 by clown he means people who stand in their way...

[@abdsamad8466]

@@post-humangod2575 AHAHA

[@post-humangod2575]

@@abdsamad8466 😎

[@AImighty]

The clowns are ESTJ’s

[@pjmac3520]

I do the same and run my own business! Lol infj for life

[@morningstarhomestead]

Okay... This is so embarrassing, but am I the only dominant Ni user who has trouble remembering which is right and which is left? I have to stop and reevaluate sometimes. My isfp husband thinks I am so weird LOL

[@einsame_Maria]

I used to tutor this girl, she lives in an apartment complex next to mine. But its structure is different from the building I'm living in. And every time I would leave her place and go down in the elevator, I would go right and hit a dead end. Because the exit is on the left. But every time I would be so sure that it's on the right.... Until she told me to remember it's on the left. And I stopped going in the wrong direction

[@blackrabbit231]

I'm an ISFP and my INFJ guy has the same problem... it's baffling lmao

[@InternetLiJo]

I did when I was younger until I realized I had a giant freckle on my right arm lol

[@morningstarhomestead]

@@InternetLiJo - I always rely on my wedding ring :-P

[@smr1721aj]

I do the same thing. -infp

[@alistairproductions]

I think I’m an infj but I don’t really identify with “living in the future” as much as just living in thoughts (Update: Typed as ENFP now)

[@9oh7music63]

intp? a lot of intps can over mystify Ni and think they’re infj.

[@treeroot4369]

Could be enfp

[@sanoj92]

But where in time are the thoughts mostly though? Past memories?

[@alistairproductions]

Tree Root Turns out I most likely am enfp

[@jvc8947]

Thoughts really aren’t totally tied to time.

[@thegreatgmantheguy]

We walk by Faith not by sight

[@blesskarmel]

The Great G-man The Guy thank you.

[@keroberos2781]

*bumps into a wall immediately*

[@SnoozeTheRecluse]

What do mean "Faith"? It sounds like you walk by guessing

[@austinjon31]

Wonderful being INxJ ain't it ;) Shiet! Where're my keys?!

[@rmcd823]

The Great G-man The Guy There we go!

[@ashleycnossen3157]

INFJs are not unaware of Se. It's their insecurity - they aspire to master it, and they can. Some of what you're saying sounds more like the Te blindspot, or maybe an Se-Te loop. Also, I'm sure no one appreciates the way their brain works being called ridiculous. On the other hand, that bit about staying updated is great advice. We have to let go the security blanket

[@mutantmacrophage6653]

I'm an INTJ and I approve this message. I've noticed people sometimes seem to forget that the inferior function is a valued function, beloved by your psyche. The unloved and underused 7th & 8th functions are the truly weak ones that only every improve out of absolute necessity. It's just that sometimes your dominant function can be real mean and totally dismissive of your inferior function despite the fact that they're supposed to work together. In my case I don't live in the present enough (and rarely have fun). I recently bought a used copy of Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now because it was recommend by another youtube mbti nerd as a way to help fix this.

[@lyrimetacurl0]

It's great to have a friend who's the opposite type. Btw, as an ESTP I'd say "but... brains *are* ridiculous!" 😁

[@mutantmacrophage6653]

@@lyrimetacurl0 well... lightly cooked Veal brains are a good source of Omega-3 fatty acids

[@mutantmacrophage6653]

@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo Yes it is.

[@gregsander8439]

@@mutantmacrophage6653 no

[@SolidSiren]

INFJs also have the contradictory side that is very logical and rational. I am an INFJ, but I'm certainly not the person that doesn't leave the house. I'm 50/50 I/E. I am intuitive, but math and science and the objective world are my biggest passions. I guess you could be talking about the most extreme INFJ, but we are all over the map just like all the types. INFJs dont not know what's going on. We know, we just tend toward idealism and we sometimes believe we can change someone or make something better. That's the part of us that leads you to believe we dont know what's going on.

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

"That's the part of us that leads you to believe we dont know what's going on." Yeah, people with FAULTY and MISSING Fe will not "see this". They are oblivious, like Dave and Shan here. We know oh so well "what is going on", that people are very intimidated and very surprised when they find out, whereas beforehand they might have thought we are just some random naive guy or girl. Not the case.

[@kylemutti2992]

Cori Wood ya I’m an INFJ and I need to socialize. I go door to door for a living and am top 2 in my office not counting district managers. Top 5 including them. I love talking to ppl. The never leave your house part was weird.

[@CelebrationLuv]

@@JonasAnandaKristiansson 100% they have no idea how blind they are to the precision of our FE.

[@einsame_Maria]

If I ever had any doubts about me being lead Ni, they are gone. I have a meltdown like James every time I have to learn to do things a different way. The longer I have been doing something a certain way, the harder it is for me. I have recently found a job at a language school. And they use different learning material from what I am used to using. And oh my.... That was a meltdown. It's just so difficult. I look at the new things and I feel lost and like time is running through my hands and I can't see, I can't breathe. And I go through all five stages of grief.

[@einsame_Maria]

Also, it is such a great tip to try and predict the future. I have learned to do that when I was younger. Because otherwise, basically every social situation was a minefield for me. But the downside of this is I sometimes get completely lost in my realm of endless possibilities. And when I overlook a possibility and it happens..... That's a whole other meltdown happening. I just feel so scared and caught off guard.

[@dayondastribling5080]

Ditto. You're OK, my friend.

[@dayondastribling5080]

Panic, too. It's OK: You're incredibly brave! And you'll make it, just with a lot of stress. Laughter really does break up the stress- even fake laughter till you learn to bring up endorphens on purpose: Crinkle the outside corners of your eyes- that really beings up endorphens- and fast, too. No, it doesn't gjve you wrinkles-- just relief! I've done it for _years_ now!

[@dirtywhitellama]

I have to be honest that sounds more like lead Si having a collapse with too many possibilities of inferior Ne.

[@shhhentient]

Isn't that more Si? Maybe my understanding of Ni is wrong, but I don't connect to that part of the video or what you're saying.

[@Bane_questionmark]

“Contemporary minimalist jungle” Modern website and UI design in a nutshell.

[@maxcrowe]

Also sounds like an awesome subgenre of music.

[@45Seconds2Mars]

Depends how well your Se is developed. My petite early 20s INFJ daughter drove semi truck around the country, thru icy mountains, for a year and 0 accidents. I would think that would use a lot of Se. She took auto class and physically active. She may look a bit ISTPish but definitely INFJ. Her dad is ISTP. So she has good use of Se. Dont let so called MBTI weaknesses get in the way of real life reality and experience. She may not remember some details or value Se as much as Ni but she has an excellent grasp of practical life reality. She may not be perfect but she kicks ass. Its not just mom bias but her bosses give her 5 star ratings too.

[@blesskarmel]

45Seconds2Mars thank you,.

[@caffemocca8855]

Why is she "definitely" INFJ btw?

[@45Seconds2Mars]

@@caffemocca8855 She took the test and received INFJ. She oozes Fe and was helpful to others since a toddler. She counsels her friends. She's creative, focuses on the future, and big pictured oriented etc. She is just energetic and her job that appear Se are a means to her Ni goals. She paid for her college thru trucking. I have lots of STP family members and dated several STPs including her dad. My brother is ISTP. She is not ISTP. I'm INFJ btw

[@caffemocca8855]

@@45Seconds2Mars sounds like ENFJ

[@45Seconds2Mars]

@@caffemocca8855 I suppose it does sound ENFJ but she needs time alone. I don't think an ENFJ would handle being alone for 3 weeks on the road at a time that well. My long time friend is ENFJ. She is more extroverted than my daughter or me.

[@joe_zupko]

Reminds me on when my girlfriend tried helping me check my brake lights. Her - "Yeah, one of them is out" Me - "Which one?" Her - "I'm not sure" Me - "... but you were just looking right at them..." That's when it all clicked for me haha

[@ObjectivePersonality]

Ha! Oh man...

[@Justinehumanity]

Jayzupp - that literally happened to me a few days ago while my bf was switching out my turn signal. I’m so oblivious to my surroundings that I couldn’t remember which one was out just moments after I checked lol. It was like my brain just decided to dump the information because it wasn’t as interesting as my internal world. Tbh, I’d be that person you hear about on the news who accidentally falls through an open manhole while they’re walking to work.

[@joe_zupko]

@@Justinehumanity funny to see that someone else relates. Things are normally blatantly apparent to me so it's hard to understand how one could miss something right in front of their face :p it's like you guys aren't really looking at the objects themselves

[@twozniak4037]

Hmm. I check my brake lights and turn signals myself. Just back in somewhere you can see a reflection at night.

[@nozecone]

Yup, that would be me. At least she has the excuse that she's a girl ... !

[@crshia]

LOVE, love, love Frank James!!! And there's a reason in cartoons that the evil mastermind is always working in some obscure attic in some back water place. In reality, they can't take over the world because the trashcans are blocking the drive.

[@Ambedo1123]

All the people saying "we do know what's going on", think about this: what we Ni-dominant types define as "what's going on" is still not the physical happenings. It's the conceptual unfolding; that's what we define as "now". We have a strong notion of the present, but the Se types are in the present even if or when they have no notion of it. That's the distinction.

[@foxfff123123]

It really depends on how well you train the skill of Se. Personally I’m an INFJ and my job has a lot of chaos but I do use my Ni as a predictor of what will happen, what would be needed ASAP and I try to plan out accordingly. Whenever the unexpected happens, I have to adapt. I think that it depends on the person and if they choose to exercise their inferior functions accordingly, it can drastically change how well they’ll function overall.

[@eleob9098]

When u mentioned the “update” thing I gasped.. I have like 42 notifications from the app store for apps I haven’t updated cause I’m note ready for that level of new info I have to adjust to

[@Arlyon9999]

Why can’t people just leave the email service’s alone? Doesn’t need a redesign every 5 seconds. Especially when it just gets more complicated...

[@maxcrowe]

They're testing new ways to harvest our attention from us all the time. New layouts is the most obvious method.

[@newyorkval1478]

Technology improves at a breakneck pace, but nothing about life gets any better.

[@sdmugabe]

So truee. Having demon sensory is really difficult, I miss so much details and information and always have a hard time being present. Detailed oriented tasks are such a drag. Don't get me started about having blast first!

[@lizv3634]

I recently went through a divorce. Talk about an Se nightmare! EVERYTHING has to be updated and if you don’t plan well with reality it can have horrible repercussions for your future. And you have to deal with cumbersome bureaucratic agencies (insurance, dmv, lawyers, courthouse, bank, PGE, etc!) I have to schedule one to two hours every day to deal with the (horror) details just so I can breathe without a feeling of impending doom in every other moment of the day.

[@liana6774]

I feel this....

[@someshittyukulelecover1647]

the updated email clip from FJ explains why I never update anything lmao

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

I'm typing this on a 9 yr old computer, lol. Still works. For now...

[@ChantelStays]

I love when you said “if they knew what it was they wouldn’t be fighting to be infj etc” and I resonate deeply with this, to live in this concrete world is actually quite hard sometimes with such a weak Se and even weaker Si. Being INFJ in particular has been so glamorized that people want to be this personality type, and with intuition and feeling now becoming more valued, you see even more mistypes. The fact is... I work and live and grew up with mainly sensor types, the things they can do and achieve and remember far surpass the infj/intj.. making living a sensor “real” practical based life, so much easier

[@nozecone]

Actually - most people have never heard of all this stuff.

[@AntonyReed]

Lol... That's me, unfortunately. I can't leave the house and have issues taking action because there MUST be more to learn and plan first before launching. Sometimes I swear I agreed to get married so someone can answer the door and remind me to eat and make me take action. Getting better at my other functions as I age...

[@thewoundedhealer4950]

I feel like Frank James after every update of whatever. I’m still using the old yahoo. I can’t stand all the updates and to my horror, windows updates can’t be turned off 🤬Likewise, stores that reorganize and move everything around really pisses me off. I don’t like shopping to begin with and go super early to rush in and out asap. Pffffff....

[@einsame_Maria]

Fuck the stores that reorganize !!!!

[@lunastariaspiritdiva8662]

I'm so easily mesmerized and bedazzled, its very bad for me when people reorganize, I have to re-learn the placement of everything all over again, at a snail's pace...

[@destree6348]

I feel like just as soon as we finally master something, then boom, it changes... constantly now in this day and age

[@TheCathanne101]

This may be THE MOST helpful vid EVER! Real actual physical tips on how to deal with myself!! THANK YOU!!

[@Will68812]

As an infj , I can see that this is overall close to hitting the target for a pragmatic means of overcoming the shortcomings of dominant Ni. But to put forth Se as "reality" misses everything that could ever be construed as psychology. Perceiving functions provide an experience. An individual persons notion of reality is constructed from their combination of perception and judging functions. How well a mental construction of "reality" that person creates is based on their ability to integrate all of their experience and judgments into a model that most accurately represents the exterior world. Se can lead to a 100% failed conception of reality. But I do think you get that. Your statement at the beginning...if people really knew what introverted Intuition was, they wouldn't be fighting so hard to be one! Pure gold!!

[@macoeur1122]

Ouch. This is clearly coming from strong Se (even though I don't know your types) And I can see your point pretty clearly (I have a family full of strong Se's...so I've been forced to understand). Yes, I can miss what's right in front of my face. Frequently even..(and yes...ha ha...that's a real knee slapper) But having had enough years to develop my Se, I HAVE learned to use it for everything I deem "important" and to "put it down" whenever possible...because my Ni is useful and valuable to me and it doesn't make sense for me to "not" make the best use of it. There is so much more to Ni than meets the Se eye....and because we're outnumbered, y'all may never be able to access the benefits...of which there are many. I have an ESTP sister who is exactly what you seem to be wanting INFJs to be (as if INFJs are just "disabled" ESTPs) But from my own perspective, I can see all my sister misses due to her practically non-existent Ni. Do I suggest that this is a hilarious disability in her? No. It's obvious to me how childish that is. Please flip this and ask yourself if you feel an ESTP is a "malformed" INFJ. The answer is likely "no". Is it not? I'm sorry, but Se being dominant in our culture isn't any more "evidence" of it's "superiority" than anything else you can think of that's in plentiful supply. Sure Se is quite useful! Some of us have to work harder than others to develop it... But in the end we are MORE likely to develop it, than say, an ESTP is to develop their Ni...because our current world "insists" upon it...and does NOT insist on more Ni use. I would like to "insist" that y'all develop YOUR inferior function to the degree that someone who is dominant in that function has. It'll be a real "knee slapper" to watch you try....and then we can all laugh over what idiots we are for ever thinking one function is better than any other. ...Humans... 🥴 Here's a knee slapper for ya! My ESTP sister, is usually so focused on how to manipulate every detail of her environment to "get things done" that she often spends a LOT of unnecessary time and energy doing things just for the sake of doing them!....compared to someone who is taking a more "zoomed out" approach and identifying what elements of the task actually "matter" in this situation, and what is the easiest, most effective route to THAT goal? Yes she can out-accomplish me any day of the week on mudane tasks, and I say "have at it!" because a good 90% of what she "accomplishes" are momentary and fleeting accomplishments. It wears me out just to imagine being her.

[@armin1712]

Literally. I'm two minutes in and the tone they use talking about Ni doms is... 🥴 Weird to say the least. This is a personality channel, how can you talk about an aspect of a type like it's a disability that needs to be fixed? Like, yeah, Inf Se can be a pain in the ass, but no more than Inf Ni? Or literally EVERY inferior function? You try to develop it, but you don't try to make an INTJ into an ESFP just like you don't try to reprogram an ESTP into an INFJ. This video seems so Se biased. I've seen only a few of their videos, and If this is their language towards all the inferior functions then okay, i guess. But it doesn't feel like it is

[@zeinabzein1514]

Hey guys, What has worked for me as an INFJ is to develop Se through hobbies I enjoy and require focusing on the present moment, like baking and photography. Also, verify any idea you might have by searching what others have thought about it. Read and keep your information up to date. Annoying at first, but made easier if you choose topics you enjoy knowing about. Learn skills that you're interested in. Yeah, the world might seem a big mess, but working around it is possible lol. Regards

[@MariaGarcia-cy2jv]

I do the same exact thing ❤️

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

I do the same with building model warships-they take an insane amount of time and care. I still hate reading a lot, but thanks to technology-on my nine yr old computer [which doesn't need replacing, thankyou very much]; I've discovered audiobooks-so can listen to them, as well as videos like this; whilst doing other things. It's crazy the amount of information I can take in now. I still can't listen to new music though, as having to force myself through mediocre pap: just does my head in. One thing I've noticed about INFJs, is that we all seem to have great taste. We're taste machines. The downside of that, is anything bad [and 90% of all art is rubbish, let's face it]; is just PAINFUL to listen to. Roger Waters, Pink Floyd's ideas and lyrics man who also wrote practically all of their melodies [the hardest thing to do in music-none of the other members could do this, except maybe Syd in the early yrs]; is INFJ.

[@MeghaMuse]

Shannon, this reminds me of me telling my INFJ partner that she should take her car to the shop. It kept taking a while to start, and I was like “you know it’s about to break down, right?” And she’s like “yeah but I’ve been getting it to work, it’s fine for now.” Sure enough, when her alternator broke, chaos ensued. I definitely relate to the double observer thing, cool to give it a name

[@valerielinares2068]

As an INFJ, I so relate to planning 10 years into the future. I've gotten to the point where I try to mentally prepare myself for those Se interruptions to my Ni plans. The best way I can think to describe it is that, say I'm walking through the forest, and I come to a huge lake. I need to get to the other side of the lake to get to my destination. But, instead of seeing the bridge right in front of me, I walk the long way around. Lol, my brain just works that way. Sometimes it's a pain in the butt, sometimes it's actually beneficial.

[@LinYouToo]

I have a hard time reading the social nuances in a work meeting, especially politics. I have a hard time discerning when someone says they agree to something when it was a fake agreement and they really didn’t wanna do it. I can see something one way and then another person gives me the harsh reality that I really missed it. Sometimes I must look like I’m clueless. But if you need me to envision where we should go in the next 3 to 5 years, I’m all in. And I’m good at it.

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

Watch a KZbin video [there are many] by Chris Voss. For yrs, he was the top FBI hostage negotiator. What you're describing sounds like getting someone on the "yes" ladder. People resist saying yes to something instinctively-they know it's a trap, so when they do; it's often just to get you to go away-and even if they do mean it, if they're not truly all-in; they won't follow through. Voss talks about getting someone to say "no" instead, amongst many other things. Here's a brief vid. You can thank me later., kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5vLdZ6Eotmdr5I

[@LinYouToo]

@@rocketassistedgoat1079 I read his book last year and took the master class. Highly recommend.

[@davidegaruti2582]

good job guys this series is way more engoyable than the infographic one , the example at the end really sold it , keep it up and make the other 7 type ( i am italian pls correct me if i have made some mistake )

[@mikem.5104]

Ooh my God Ive totally been exposed and feel like a human/mortal again.Was I the only one that felt that lady was a lil jealous and way too aggressive towards our(infj).glitches and shortcomings..but I stayed and listen to her beacause she was saying nothing but the truth..and my love for facts and truth had me bruised and bloodied.lol."stop it some more" my soul and mind both crying out. I love stumbling out of no where on all this material and professionals.It finds me all the time.Thank you

[@RamonGoudeauDoneX2]

i do love that we are so articulate and peotic sounding when we write, even the most mundane things

[@allyson87]

Nah, this isn’t my problem with Se as an INFJ. I’m not really concerned with my individual goals or trying to make “my plan” come true. I see social patterns, especially on a larger/historical scale, long before most others (scary when learned how consistent with those who study such trends). So people think I’m crazy until they think I’m psychic. Also when something happens to bring attention to those predictions/issues, I get little relief from the shortsighted bandaid “solutions” that just postpone the sh*t really hitting the fan. Savior Ni is basically chronic Cassandra syndrome. Se is just so small and can feel meaningless when you see where society is heading and feel powerless after years of being dismissed. And then day to day life is often boring and draining because relationships are almost always one sided. The problem isn’t lack of awareness, it’s lack of motivation or ability to seeing the point. Se can be overwhelmingly painful, especially when it keeps providing my predictions correct Everyday Se doesn’t provide enough stimulation to get me out of my head. Se can be fun when it’s new or thrill seeking, like roller coasters or swimming farther away from the coast, but that can’t happen very often

[@scrillion6]

Oh gawd!! This is so accurate! I feel loved and shamed all at once!

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

"can't see reality" should be SWITCHED to "refuse and/or have resistance to the "Se-reality" of objects and physicality, due to its limitations and boundaries, compared to the wholesome, never ending 'world' of Ni.

[@Binyamin.Tsadik]

That example at the end was so funny, super mean, but a perfect example!!! Good job :D.

[@neferkroll]

super mean I agree, I almost cried

[@pinkinterior7039]

Ok this is hilarious because I literally just left a “I don’t understand” on your last video and listening the whole time with “what is this noise - they’re just saying random shit” feeling 😂 and frank james is my favorite person ever I’m laughing

[@cassm7679]

I am Ne savior instead of Ni but I still relate to the whole demon S "where am I? What is happening?"

[@FireCracker46]

Cass Marshall Because you have high imagination that can ruin the real world

[@InternetLiJo]

Demon Sensory is still demon sensory, if it’s Se or Si, you will see some similar issues.

[@SkillOPill]

@@InternetLiJo for Ne parent types like Intps and infps, they have Se trickster which is almost as bad as the demon function. New places can trick us up

[@InternetLiJo]

Hahahah this is so amazingly true and LORD am I working so hard to be more flexible with my long term goals. In the video I just posted I talked about some of this quite literally. Especially the technology freak outs...

[@Flowers408]

When she said, "your plan is already breaking"... That was absolutely terrifying lol

[@imwritingapoemaboutit]

I'm literally just getting this lmao. Like perhaps I should update my plan and check that it actually works in reality instead of being filled with self loathing when things fall apart because" my plans can't possibly be flawed, im the problem" 💀

[@RAFatturi]

Man these people are annoying.

[@rezetkina]

Dear INFJ, do not listen to those people. They literally do not understand how an introverted intuition works.

[@kritikasampleone7457]

Wait, how come they talking about it?

[@rezetkina]

They are talking only about what it means to have the inferior function of the extraverted sensing. They are not infjs for sure. The intuition substitutes the extraverted sensing and it is about the predictions and knowing what’s to come, plus having an excellent planning skills from the J function. I work in the business and sometimes I create some concepts in the business plan before the management team on the top decides to approve it themselves. The great plans are not coming from the extraverted sensing only. What they talking about it is day to day small things that you miss, which is not that important (as per INFJs choice). I am good at my job, but I suck at the administration tasks. INFJ are detail oriented, but only when it comes to the tasks they find interesting and important. So I can be easily lost in 3 trees (which happens everyday), but when it comes to the things that matters to me, I am very focused and have 100 scenarios and facts.

[@tectonicD]

Дина Селезнева this is the first INFJ video I have seen, where I think the people talking are completely full of shit.

[@tectonicD]

I agree!

[@rezetkina]

k i n g B A B Y better to watch frank James than these clowns.

[@JoanieDoeShadow]

When you started playing the Gmail rant video I had to laugh because I haven't worked fast food since April 6th of 2008 but I STILL have nightmares about the touch screen register layout & codes being "updated". I hated when the register would get changes, and it isn't like they updated the systems very much, maybe three times in the 5 years I worked for the restaurant, and two of those were really minor things that actually made more sense, but I still hated it and was terrified of a change being made that would make it impossible for me to take an order.

[@rayw3332]

You've got some confusing misnomer going on. INFJ "demon", Si (introverted sensing), refers to one of the four subconscious shadow functions, the demon function being the EIGHTH remote function or exact opposite counterpart to the conscious everyday 4th function Se (extraverted sensing). You should also qualify that in a mature INFJ (fully developed), Se is very active observant descriptive useful conscious function . An example of Se was a dream I had -- I was in the back of the car being driven with friends or acquaintances through a strange city. Consciously (in the dream, no less!) I knew to try and focus on one of the street signs so I could pick up where I was. It was just gibberish (Nj4gC2), but that's an example of acute Se(!) in the service of Ni (introverted intuition). Si in an INFJ -- "what was" -- is used during stress or while threatened. For an INFJ this is the true "demon" function. I believe the James clip is an example of an Fi-Si loop (Ne skipped over). Not that he missed the new Gmail change -- he caught it good (!) -- he relays his own deep feelings of missing "what was!"

[@InternetLiJo]

Ray W you’re referring to different terminology than what the Objective Personality system uses. Go back to Dave’s video on “saviors and demons” it explains the terminology there.

[@Equinox1.5]

Simulating futures is a great idea. I also liked your advice on tackling big tasks in the 'Blast Last' video and how to trick your mind into getting started. Thank you.

[@gisellebeamer7347]

Talk to us like we are dumb , yell a bit , like those all women daytime talk (yell) shows Wave your arms and hand to punctuate words while diction is clear and slow like you are reading to children with learning disabilities .Dripping sarcasm and some eye rolling from the super Dave to ensure that you know he is knowing way more than you.will ever know . SUPERS POWERS!

[@vanessaclaire999]

I appreciate you two. Your vibe.

[@watermeloncherry11]

Omg I've been called out. I've been getting further and further into this Ni trap and I'm practically living in it. Im beginning to believe in ideas so outside of reality that it scares me. Se who? I don't know him.

[@tfranc347]

This has been so illuminating for me (infj). For years, friends at school would give me skeptical looks whenever I tried to explain why MySpace’s new layout was ruining my life lol. There’s a reason! I’m not crazy! I mean, that’s what all crazy people say, but you know

[@Marixpress2]

Can't I just be paid to sit in a room and think all day?

[@theflash5523]

Dave's eyes literally go in every direction

[@ObjectivePersonality]

Cuz he's got da crazy brain.

[@c.s.70]

Like a typical Ne dominant...

[@Mt18947]

@@c.s.70 yup, he is XSTJ

[@iamkxtv]

This is soo humbling.. in the most beautiful way. Haven’t updated my computer in years😩 Smh.. I totally get it and have been actively working on my SE… Thank you & love the channel!!

[@thisispi1491]

What a GREAT chemistry you two have!!!!!

[@sad_hedgehog]

i'm using my ni for planning stuff to ease the panic of unpredictability, think ahead, breathe for a bit and then go into the social situation with some sort of a backup. also really helps just the moments of realisation of my surroundings. like, i stop, look around and "feel out" the space i find myself in - a thing i've picked up from meditation. i can almost fully grasp what it's like to be in the moment day by day casually for sensory pals.

[@twozniak4037]

I was born into a family of athletes, and am naturally athletic myself. Sports are a great way to practice and develop Se. Also gets me outta my head, and into my body, as well as the present moment. Great way to get Ti to shut the hell up! No team sports though. Fe ruins team sports. Get pissed off at a teammate for screwing up, but feel empathy for them at the same time. Watch my brain explode🤯 Working as an investigator also requires adept use of Se. I have to be able to back up my conclusions with concrete observable facts. It is exhausting, and I have to take copious, intricate notes to remember what I observed in the moment. Couple hours later, and it's gone. I just know the "feeling" and "impression" I got. However, Ni tells me when to dig deeper. Even if there is no concrete observable reason I can remember noticing. I can't seem to do Si. At all. Makes no sense to me. I store my memories in tchotchkes. Who has room in their head for all that old stuff? And doing things just cuz that's how it's always been done? May as well just tell me "Because I said so" ~ which only works if you're a Judge. I remember my ex saying, one time too many, "This is how my parents did it, and I turned out fine" and I finally ~ after about 5, 6 years hearing that ~ replied "I don't think that word means what you think it means. My definition of fine is very different from yours" 😕

[@drmanchester5447]

thanks! after watching all I can say in response is that you've made me hate being an INFJ well done, you could have given advice on how to power down these cognitive functions and use them all. Now wouldn't that be something!

[@seekeroflight3765]

I guess you took it negative way. MBTI really helps people to know oneself. If you know your self, it has help you to make you profound by balancing Ne and Se by factual ground of reality. Little adoption of flexibility and little erasing rigidity. It's also necessary to being controlling Judgemental instincts. Because we all human being and judging another human beings based on your oneself Intuitive function, can't be accurate most of the time. Because Intuition with Reality has obvious differences even by name. INFJ only belongs to themselves. Lear or develop, how to continue be get along from who may fill you vacuum as well as you do vice versa. Being as a human we all has error, has also capability to erase errors, and adoption in flexible manner that suited you. You INFJ only 1.5% among the people, if you seek for validation surely they gona misunderstood you because they are average and you are exception. Hope you got the point. I am an ENTP most probably. INJF is my favourite personality, if they learn how to get along. That's it.

[@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes]

Watch Marty Glenn, his video help to understand better INFJ, MBTI and deeply more, very deeply.

[@TheBigGameTheoryHDx]

Me the infj med student i will learn really hard for my next test 2 weeks later gets mail from the university saying i missed my test and i just had the wrong month written in my calender

[@Boba_fehtt]

Your right.. I often make plans with great intentions on it building my future but I ignore many current events that do infact ruin these plans. I often don't pick up the subject again sensing a feeling of failure around it at that time. Idk it's weird but thanks for helping me see that I should keep up with the real world just as often as my mind. 👌🏻

[@eleob9098]

The BIGGEST thing that helps me with demon Se is to do lists and calendars lol. Every time I have something I know needs to get done I write it down and then I’ll organize all my tasks/events by category so it’s visual and translated into Ni language??

[@silicon212]

This just so totally resonates with me, it isn't even funny. In full disclosure, INTJ.

[@CascadiaStronk]

This doesn't resonate with me!

[@CascadiaStronk]

@@null1534 I have no weaknesses

[@CascadiaStronk]

@@null1534 And you have a stick up your ass

[@robin-vt1qj]

@@CascadiaStronk your weakness is resonating!

[@morganlowder51]

Starting to think I have inferior se.. first time out since the start of coronavirus in a shop, and I'm already nearly bumping into things, couldn't use a self-checkout properly and didn't even receive a receipt as I messed up the machine. Had to wait minutes to get a copy. I'm so terrible at practical situations and reality, too much in my head lmao. Currently typed as Intp though.

[@jeremyfisher9000]

I’ve been trying to type myself, because no one else I know is interested or educated with Personality theory. But I still can’t tell the most simplistic thing and it is what are my shortcomings, am I observer or decider

[@everydaystuff9187]

Thank you 🙏🏻 guys!! I really needed to see this. I am an INFJ, I was not understanding...lol. But you explained, gave tips for me to research more. Over the years that I have been working on myself, I am finding a more balanced stack. And it’s not easy, but well worth it. Thank you for your time and effort to everything you do. MizLynn💜✌🏻

[@tuomanviii9653]

Would be nice if Dave and Shanon could make series of explanatory videos how their called "Jumpers" differs from each regular cunterpart MBTI type.

[@aprilbl00m]

Yes! I was going to suggest this. I'd love to see general profiles of the jumper types, since all of us are so familiar with the standard MBTI types. I have a few friends who I expect are non-standard (jumper) types, but I'd like to hear other people's descriptions so I know if I am on the right track.

[@newdove8113]

Question: How do you tell the difference between a problem caused by overdosing on a dominant function and a problem that's caused by misinterpreting an inferior function?

[@nozecone]

Okay, I was starting to have some second thoughts about Frank James - now I realize we are kindred spirits. That is almost word-for-word my reaction to a revised e-mail page ... !

[@editorjeannie2318]

I just had to update my software at work and I about lost my shit. Was supposed to do it Friday. Was dreading it, so I put it off till this morning- about ten minutes before our meeting, which then stressed me out even more which lead to me getting frustrated with myself about not being able to do simple things like upgrade your software. Argh

[@teamthoth]

I still have my yahoo mail on the old format..... for no good reason I can think of except that it is familiar

[@nozecone]

I still listen to my music on a tape-recorder - so there!

[@angiestupp2968]

I had yahoo email in old settings for 15 or so years until a hacker snuck in and updated it all and spammed my contact list. Yahoo refused to give me an option to change back to the old way. I was so mad that I cancelled my yahoo and went with a different email server.

[@asinglefrenchfry]

as an ENFP (with demon Si), I’ve always 100% identified with “‘never knowing what’s going on.” I’ve even said those words verbatim. In maaaaany situations in my life (especially when I’m going somewhere or doing something for the first time), I tend to feel lost, like there are things that everyone else but me is aware of, like codes of etiquette or what to do/say in public places. It’s like there’s some secret handbook of mutual knowledge and understanding everyone has that I’m just excluded from. People have always called it “common sense,” but why should it be? how am I supposed to automatically know what to do in a situation I’ve never been in before, or I’ve just ignored my entire life? 🤷‍♂️ I’m too “in my head” I guess I’ve also always been terrible with directions. Sounds a lot like demon Se but I’m supposed to have demon Si.

[@sophiaredwood5825]

ENFP here: this is the most relatable thing in the world. I literally got myself a book written by an FBI agent about reading body language because I find “common sense” so intriguing... like, people can literally read other people’s small changes in body language to know how they feel? Sounds more like something in a book than something in reality. And by doing this, tying Ne and my lead consume tendencies into the details my Si overlooks, I can bring myself to learn more about them. Then trying to notice them in real time becomes much more fun, since it feels more like an Ne thing.

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

INFP here. I live in a small city of 500 000, and at night, if I can't see the hills; I'm automatically lost-by default. The struggle is real.

[@jed1680]

If you’re an ENFP, you don’t have demon Si, but demon Se. Demon Si is for INFJs/INTJs

[@asinglefrenchfry]

@@jed1680 Objective Personality calls the inferior function the “demon” function if I’m remembering correctly. The different theories are really all over the place

[@tolo9682]

I think the problem is not so much in dealing with it for our own because as you said you can find workarounds for it. The problem is that it still needs longer time to adapt which most people in your environment don't understand because they don't deal with this rare demon. We still need preparation time.

[@thissunchild]

This suddenly clarified a great deal for me 🙏Thank you for posting this video. 🙏

[@dirtywhitellama]

That is exactly how I felt about the gmail redesign. Fortunately I figured out a way to get it not to change. I don't remember how. Unfortunately, I don't have that option on my work gmail.

[@Suedetussy]

So true. My colleagues have the impression that i am smart, but then they are puzzled about the fact that i don‘t see the obvious. Somthey started to doubt my intelligence, then i surprise them with things i see that no one noticed. That’s why i love and need my grounded ESFJ boyfriend. Best man to balance me out.

[@t5396]

I disagree that lead Ni hate update. As an INTJ I'm fully aware that I need to constantly update my hard drive in order to make the best decisions.

[@jennmari7425]

Yeah, wow... my daughter is an infj...she's soo smart but she doesn't see things right in front of her. Breaks a glass everytime she does dishes, gets water everywhere, bumps into things...and yes, her eyes are healthy folks. Lol..Sometimes I feel bad for her.. :/ Strange though, when it comes to updates on a phone she's all about it. She welcomes it..I, the INFP, get major anxiety with any update... Weird how the functions work...but still very cool and interesting.

[@eViLxAnGeLx18]

Omg... I don't understand. 😂😂😂😭 FML... I'm probably gonna have to rewatch this at least 2 more times SMH... My main problem is my inability to comprehend things because i cannot seem to be able to imagine what people are talking about in my mind sometimes. Especially if I've never experienced whatever is being talked about. I need to be shown and if not then i need to see it in writing and you bet your ass that imma be asking a shit ton of questions too... I want everyone to know and understand that this detail is one of a few of the most terrible, embarrassing, annoying, uncomfortable, frustrating, dreadful, & ridiculous traits to my character/personality that I have. I've learned to just deal with it and accept it as a shadow aspect needing brought to the forefront to be integrated. But I still don't like it, js. Anyways, guess who's up for a second round of watching this video again... So maybe this time I can actually understand it... Ugh.... SMH. Thanks guys. Sigh.

[@KajsaBernhardina]

I have demon Si and I had the exact same reaction when they updated gmail 😂 I was horrified!

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

ENFP eller? :D

[@DamaniJones]

I constantly go back to see if the idea I want to implement has already been implemented...I do it every day now to “check in with reality”, but the update game feels so ridiculously annoying, like an enormous speed bump. I’m really glad he felt as though he had to power down the Ni too, because I was wondering if I was “actually an ISTJ” because of how much I had to power down my Ni in the last year.

[@naomia472]

Omg thank you 😭 you have saved my life

[@Recon777x]

The title of this video is quite appropriate. My psyhchotic INFJ ex wife believes she can see/smell demons. She's constantly suspicious of the intents of others. She can never admit fault. And she totally believes correlation equals causation. What a nightmare.

[@planetary-rendez-vous]

She seems totally out of touch with reality.

[@Recon777x]

@@planetary-rendez-vous Ni combined with Fe combined with childhood abuse and a family predisposed to paranoia = perfect recipe for delusional beliefs and behaviors as an adult. It was a hellish fifteen years and an even more hellish 2.5 years of family court. You simply wouldn't believe it if I described it all. The main reason INFJs are susceptible to this is because their Ni is a pattern recognizing function, tied directly to Fe, which is acutely aware of the emotions and intentions of others. This makes healthy INFJs great counselors. But a dysfunctional INFJ is a psychotic nightmare who continually tries to distort your own sense of reality. Look up gas-lighting. She was an expert.

[@19katsandcounting]

Maybe she has NPD.

[@Recon777x]

@@19katsandcounting I considered this. But I'm not sure she exhibits all the symptoms. Though she _did_ absolutely love me taking photo shoots of her. And she wrote a 1600 page hand-written journal where she depicts a two-way dialogue between her and God and God supposedly showers her with the most sickening flattery you've ever seen.

[@19katsandcounting]

Recon.777 They say hitler was INFJ and look at what he did, also with his image, and his writings. I guess it does come down to magnitude of abuse. Sorry you had to go through that 🙏

[@heatherbryant4197]

Isn't discomfort with interrupted routine and being forced out of your comfort zone an Si issue?

[@zeronegro11]

Mostly.

[@gregsander8439]

Interrupted by what? If youre interrupted by Ne then yes. If you hate being interrupted by Se its Ni.

[@RamonGoudeauDoneX2]

@@gregsander8439 i hate interruptions. period. in any instance.

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

Both are observing facts; but Se's gathering, Si's organizing. I hear that lead Si can be really hard on people, so maybe us with demon Se don't have it so bad.

[@steveemrich84]

So to dial back Ni, update plan every week or month. A reset. To stop, take in new info and Course Correct. To check in with reality. Make a list of future problems and what to do about them now. To either prevent them or tackle them now. Thereby choosing to address them on your terms. Not when they (the problems) choose to. Which would feel like Chaos to us INFJs. Did I get that right? I had to watch it like 5 times. To just absorb the Se. Without my Ni making abstract connections.

[@maj954]

I’ve reached the point where I place my plans as a theory and reality is like an experiment to see if it works

[@CYMONKA]

My planner is an additional appendage! All the details, scheduled review, sanity checks with non-INFJs!

[@anitaschafer567]

Please cover the ISFJ like this, this video was so interesting

[@leviperry10]

Here is a prime example. I would spend days off, making lists of things needing to be done so I could strategize my time. Once finished with my list, my Se girlfriend would have said tasks on her lists complete already. Granted she would not get them done efficiently, she would still get the majority done.

[@cazbee6126]

I bought a home unit 25 years ago (when I was 25) so I would have somewhere to live when I was old. It's been a great investment! That said, I haven't checked my gmail for three years. And I need to fill in this e-form to adopt an adorable rescue cat. I have tried on the android, the chromebook, and I even plugged in the desktop, but it remains impossible. So I'm left with this constant ominous pressure that if I don't work it out in the next hour I will miss out on this adorable little bundle. But maybe this is Te? Probably, coz I'm playing a lot of e-jigsaws instead which means my Se is working A-OK. (INFJ)

[@randomactivitiesco.5848]

We just bought a house. Because I know I can't see reality, I have had contractors in right and left checking things. I know I miss things and I know I don't know what to look for. Sooo.....I outsource! It helps that many contractors are ESFP and ISTP. So easy to listen to.

[@TheFirstManticore]

As INTP, I really have to update the facts daily. Now, I didn't do that so much in past decades. but History is catching up with me. And of course I can't predict EXACTLY what will happen; I can only predict the KIND of thing that will happen. And it is happening.

[@thetacraft9032]

This is a very flawed concept of depth psychology. Se in the inferior slot makes INTJ and INFJ painfully aware of their sorroundings if they are mature in any way. Fear lies within the fourth function. The inabillity to percieve something lies in your seventh slot, otherwise known as the trickster function. All you have to do is read linda berens, an expert in the field, and stop following youtubers blindly.

[@ninawillow2429]

Thanks!

[@thetacraft9032]

Of course. It is my duty to keep the world informed.

[@HitomiAyumu]

They've interviewe hundreds of people and watched thousands of KZbin videos to discover these patterns. Dave and Shannon aren't just your average KZbinrs. They've put in the time and done the work. I wouldn't be so confident that they don't know what they're talking about. You are wrong there mate.

[@VisibleMRJ]

But I like to follow youtubers blindly, Thats my thing. Do I really have to stop?

[@burnbabylonburn78]

I watch CS Joseph’s channel religiously, lol.

[@hunpo1]

It's exhausting to deal with people who are completely unintuitive. It's like some older people with computers--you keep explaining the logic behind the interface but they never learn. As a result unintuitive people don't get the spirit of the law, only the letter. That said, it's good to laugh at how we can be the exact opposite :)

[@Chatoyancify]

It isn't enough for my lead Ni friend to prepare for future outcomes because when he does he becomes even more irritated when that one thing he couldn't predict occurs. Ni prep is a good line of prevention but treatment solutions are needed since they can't prevent all chaos.

[@newyorkval1478]

I learned I was an INFJ after my husband's death from chronic lymphatic leukemia. I own/operate a locksmith company, train protection dogs, hunt, fish, service and repair my Chevy van, among other things. It occurs to me now that these activities appeal to me because they are both in, an outside of the moment, at the same time.

[@HALFAMAZINGTV]

I had to downvote the video, which is something I rarely do. It's not a direct attack at you, but what will follow as a result of this video. It's all in the defense of INFJs by forecasting potential issues. Saying that the INFJ "missing Se" isn't something to be proud of, should lead INFJs to work on cultivating it. The result? The INFJ with a developed Se may be mistaken as another type. However, in your previous videos, you guys advised to cultivate all 8 functions "in order to get shit done". Most people aren't afforded the ability to develop all 8 functions because it requires intense and continuous exposures to many different levels of experiences, including stressful ones. In the end, when INFJs take your advice and develop their functions, they will then potentially be further ostracized for not seeming like the other underdeveloped INFJs..

[@19katsandcounting]

HALFAMAZINGTV he doesn’t like INFJs, he’s alluded it it before. He thinks we think we’re the good kind of special and rare.

[@HALFAMAZINGTV]

@@19katsandcounting aaahh! Now i get it. thanks for pointing this out.. kind of unsettling to have been watching someone who in reality isn't fond of your type...

[@19katsandcounting]

HALFAMAZINGTV yeah I gathered that while imbibing on his videos several months ago. Oh well... win some lose some I guess. My brother is INTJ and even though he loves me, I get on his nerves sometimes. 😂

[@nozecone]

Um ... I'm a little new to all this, but : "they will then potentially be further ostracized for not seeming like the other underdeveloped INFJs.." - "ostracized" by who??

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

Right on brother!

[@flutterwind7686]

You explain double observers as having both, but it can honestly act like having the negative traits of both as well. I'm too IJ to change my habits, and too EP to stick to one plan.

[@4Distractiononly]

Infj with a Estp for 15 years. Believe me, we both fail to see stuff just from different sides. Estp will have to physically or concretely see something before he trusts it, can't see patterns or that things will inevitably continue on the path because he seems to think things just work out. Obviously, I'm the opposite. But there's nothing invaluable about my gift for patterns and long term thinking, taking time to get things in place before you jump in. It's my strength and yes I have weaknesses. Forgetting to check my oil or pay that bill but I can see how situations could play out, I can see abstract patterns of human behavior and theoretical issues. Why diminish it?

[@shoopshoop2399]

Okay, saw your list of "shit se stuff I have to do" and have decided that there is not enough swearing in my process. How 'bout I shout, "Goddamn SE stuff has got to be done. This is bullshit! Watch me shovel this damn shit! Ha! I'm awesome at this. That shit is shoveled!"

[@shoopshoop2399]

I used to train horses and I had the sweetest, prettiest little horse. She was incredibly sensible and dependable and a treasure in every way . . . except, she HATED learning anything new. She was a cranky bitch learning a new thing. Once it was learned, she was a dream. Did it better than any of the other horses and did it with a gentle smile. And I realized. That's me.

[@donellandrews3990]

Thank you so very much!

[@synergyzer07]

Isn’t Frank James freaking out about a structure that allowed him to perform a certain task and he sees he got deprived of it? Wouldn’t that indicate Te inferior rather than Se inferior? Kind of “I’m already blast last and now I can’t blast when I finally decided to do it”? Please let me know your thoughts!