SHIP SCRUTINY - RELIANT WITH DAWNSTEALER | STAR CITIZEN

[@helloitsjay38]

Easy ship fixes for cig: 1. Give it more range those giant wings should be able to hold more fuel. Let the tana go act as a patrol/escourt ship like it shows in the hull C commercial. Alternative: give an option to let the wingtip guns switch to size 4s and bump up the hull health and have it serve as a slower/more maneuverable medium fighter

[@gabzsy4924]

Or just bump the health and give it more capacitors. It has enough firepower already but it can't shoot much. Agreed on the fuel though. And it makes sense too since you have beds and amenities, thus it's kind of implied it's intended for longer missions.

[@vital-wyn1310]

I came here to say much of the same but especially for the range. I do like the smaller wings though and keeping the Kore in that horizontal position.

[@S1leNtRIP]

Giving it extra Quantum/Fuel range has been the idea I've had for a long time. It's just such a great way to make it distinct!

[@vital-wyn1310]

@ it’s also in line with MISC as a manufacturer to have decent range.

[@alexanderdooley5833]

Ya I think the tana should have the ability to mag lock on top of a hull series max loaded cargo so they can detach and defend without sacrifice cargo. Or do I don't care.

[@Captain-Bandolero]

I think the MISC Reliant draws inspiration from the Blade Wing Starfighter (B-Wing) from Star Wars, but it's been adapted to fit Star Citizen's universe. Shortening the wings definitely reduces the resemblance to the B-Wing even more. The MISC Fury seems closely related to the Fury-class Imperial Interceptor, especially the TIE/F Fury. And of course, the Mercury Star Runner feels like a clear nod to the Millennium Falcon. I love how CIG seems to weave subtle Star Wars influences into their designs while giving them a unique Star Citizen twist. It's a great homage to sci-fi classics!

[@ViniciusConsorte]

Kore have a Tractor Beam, turret control, missile control for the copilot. Tana have 20 missiles as stock could be 24 if you change 2 racks to S1s, can opt for 4 guns as 2 s2 and 2s3 or have 6 Size 2Guns, of those the copilot can take control of the wing turrets having a broad firing arc, also the TANA have gunracks and 1 SCU grid to lock a box for looting when bounty hunting. SEN is the only science ship so far, that might be important when we have the blueprints and research for higher tiers. Guns can be configured the same as TANA if you drop the science sensor, lacking the 1 SCU grid and having no gun rack. For me the only ones that make sense are TANA and SEN. KORE and MAKO are garbage, and even if the film and report thing become a thing for the KORE for me it will still be garbage.

[@alexanderdooley5833]

The lore based strong armor is were the ship will shine with luck. If it's hull is much tougher than other ships it makes it a tanky escort. The under slung guns have trouble converging with the turret mounted guns. The second seat also lost its 360 remote turret, it now has a limited arc in front on the ship. This change ruined multi crewing the reliant.

[@vicsid9606]

The problem with shortening the wings for the Tana is that there are 8 S2 missiles in each wing, but could work if too much is not taken. The Tana is my favorite ship for soloing PvE. I love doing PvE bounties, box missions & pilfering POIs, hand mining and running bunkers. The interior has beds, 1 SCU grid, gun racks, future suit lockers, shoilet, 6 overhead MFDs and internal components. The combat capabilities are 2 S3 or 4 S2 gimbaled guns and 2 S2 guns under the wings, 16 S2 missiles in the wings, 2 S3 missile racks, and it will have ballistic armor. Also, has VTOL. Finally, as you guys mentioned, it has the best cockpit view in the game for immersion. Flying this ship with Tobi means never needing F4 because you can see all the way around you virtually unobstructed. It definitely struggles against any half decent PvPer in a fighter.

[@kishkin8743]

100% agree.

[@zantrag]

The Reliant series looks and flies amazing as it is! It needs only for the crew to be able to access the rear during flight. Not every ship needs to be a great fighter, nor should these unique ships be re-designed to look just like everything else.

[@vicsid9606]

@zantrag I always thought it would be cool to make so if we quantumed in vertical mode there was speed or fuel efficiency bonus. The trade of quantum in horizontal mode would be access to components and storage for less speed or fuel efficiency. More choices is always better.

[@JagHiroshi]

All I want is for them to fix it so that the fins come out when the landing gear raises, so they can pop out in horizontal flight mode.

[@cmdr_thrudd]

Reliant is such a cool weird ship. It's a shame it's kind of bad now

[@lordfraybin]

It's always been bad (pvp).

[@MoPar225]

Always liked the Reliant Kore look. Wishing it has bed, small kitchen & maybe little more cargo space.

[@kishkin8743]

The Tana used to have the copilot be able to missile mode while the pilot was able to shoot. It made the ship a glass cannon.

[@besgarknightshade3241]

Reliant has best view for 2. Give it more fuel

[@markcritic2409]

We had a similar discussion on Spectrum. I love your idea for clipping the wings, especially on the more fighter-y Tana. The Kore or a *bigger brother* could bridge the gap between it and the Freelancer. Juuuust a little bigger body to go with those massive wings, bring every component up to 1 medium each, you have something with medium class fuel and can maybe even carry a 16-24 scu crate. If anything, the science & media ships should follow suit just for the long range fuel those jobs would need!

[@draakdeon]

Love this kind of video! Hope you will make some more of these videos about how cig could fix the ships. Would love if you woild make one about the 400i

[@Glitchtonic]

Increase fuel capacity and hull hp, easy fix. Big plus if they up some of the gun sizes

[@JClif]

The Tana should have more fuel so it can be a truly Hull C escort ship. Thats the way it was kinda sold in the commercial.

[@Booozy3050]

I still fly the Reliants and enjoy doing so. 1 thing people keep forgetting, if you have cargo room you have room to place seats turning any ship into a bus or troop ship. If they ever make modular devices/medical/ beds for a cargo a grid it could give ships even more to work with.

[@zap5009]

Smaller wings potentially allowing the Sen to fit in the Odssey hangar for reaseach while exploring would make a lot of sense, as well as the Kore for a C8 pisces equilivent for a small dropship from the MISC line.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

I feel like you compared the Reliant to the wrong ships, when you picked the Titan and the 315p. It's better to compare it to the Syu'len.

[@StelaPop]

I agree with the plan of making the starter ship the No-cargo racing ship being less in price and less in size, but giving it more maneuvering thrusters and rotaging gimbles for a possible guns or sensors.

[@alexanderdooley5833]

my fixes were to remove the under guns, upgun the turrets to 4xs3 or 2xs4, return the Remote turret function for side seat, and swell the rear vertically just enough to make the cargo 12scu. leave its slow turn rates and apply the new armor. make it hard to solo fly but have high forward punch, multi crew allows half its firepower to fire at enemies in almost any direction save for the left side or top depending one wing orientation. I dont think cutting the wings off would do well for its main cluster of thrusters on the wing tips.

[@kilozulu2413]

I'd only shorten one wing, and leave the other one long. Have the long wing face down when the ship rotates. It would be similar to the B-wing in Star Wars, or the Hammerhead heavy fighter from Freelancer. The Kore also needs beds, for it to be classified as a starter ship, imho.

[@JimmyNoSix]

Great talk - thank you! fixing the ship model is a hard take .. maybe just fix the stats? its lacking in some terms but it might excel other ships in atmosperic flight (efficient alien tec) and range in (big wings - big tanks + alien tec). the second person should be purely optional but fun when you have one - since it is a starter and you start alone in the first place.

[@kishkin8743]

I got my Kore for $50 and the Tana was only $5 if I recall. I love the ships and the size honestly doesn't matter to me, because targeting pips lock on no matter how small a ship is. They are great ships.

[@vital-wyn1310]

Ok, what if instead of bringing the wings in we widen the body/interior of the ship? Especially for the Kore, it gains extra cargo and maybe space for a bunk. Now the Tana with the wings brought in makes a lot of sense and would be great and a nice way to show that MISC was still trying to figure out how to integrate the alien tech into their ships. As Exe suggested, pre Mirai days.

[@jmcorp8021]

you keep talking about the reliant being a big target. but during the save stanton missions i had a different experience. i kept rolling reliants in my save stanton missions and because those things are so thin they were super hard for me to hit. flying a Taurus for the missions. i had a difficult time taking those out. they were not the hardest though.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

I faced a lot of them as well, in my Corsair. Didn't seem that bad. Had a bigger problem with the invulnerable Freelancers, lol.

[@themaka]

I know there are many issues, but I'm still excited to see what's coming in the near future.

[@PabloRichards]

I think an interesting show would be speculating on how the Reliant Mako (News Van) will eventually take it's place in Game Play. They have the Engineering Workstation set up like a Broadcasting Station or an Editing Bay. Might Mako-Owners someday Broadcast the latest Battle News to other players Real-Time?

[@FeathersMcClaw]

The shortened wing version looks a bit like a stingray!

[@PureZeal66]

CIG if you do this rework and cut the wings down I will buy it, new cash! Please sneak the Info Runner's and Carnival logos into a hidden spot in the design somewhere!

[@Areanyusernamesleft]

Interesting, and I think mostly insightful, commentary so far on the Reliants' issues. However, only part way through my initial watch, @13:06, I have to point out sonething you are fundamentally wrong about the Kore. To get a total of 12 SCU of cargo capacity *it is completely unnecessary to try to stuff anything in the wings or lenghten the pod!* Instead, it would only require increasing the internal height by approximately a meter (~1.5m if one wants the extra clearance while loading/unloading) so the cargo grid can be 2 SCU high. *That's literally all that needs to change to give it the same cargo capacity as the 315p!* Also given how wide, relative to its height, the existing rear pod is on all the Reliants, this increase it would not interfer in the slightest with the physical movement, or (in my opinion) significantly alter the exterior appearance of the ship. Furthermore, another quibble, but the Tana does have 1 SCU cargo grid in its rear pod. Granted it is not really useful for cargo hauling but it can be used for securing delivery boxes, an extra seat (as at least one other comment mentioned about chairs on the grids), and a 1 SCU crate for gathering additional loot from bunker missions, etc... Edit: Gah! Copping the wings makes it look horrible! The diganosis of the problems were valid but the "cure" is worse than the disease... Also, I don't know why you guys just largely dropped the possibility of the Reliants' maneuverability being a significantly improved when they rework the Xi'An flight model. Finally, the Reliant doesnt have to be a Mirai ship, even if it is the one that convinced MISC to create Mirai as a subsidiary. Edit 2: And if you are wondering why I don't think matching the 315p's cargo capacity would not be worthy of price increase, the Kore would still lack the bed and other living amenities of a 315p.

[@Chase_The_Calm_Gaming]

Ship is too small is use and utility to be multi crew. Should be only solo pilot with a secondary seat.

[@DakkaDakka12]

It is a solo ship, when there isn’t a copilot all weapons are given to the pilot. The only problem I’ve had is the engines stick out too far and often get shot off long before your hull takes any damage.

[@serrethindustries9468]

Rainy in Seattle. Man I would have never known if you hadn't told me.

[@patchfortyfour8119]

huh, i am Australian and I say it more like "Zee Arn". Maybe its Tassie thing ;)

[@billthatcher2730]

I own and love my Tana. I hope it gets a gold pass soon.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Add more fuel. In atmo, the flying wing configuration should be highly agile.

[@lars20th]

In my opinion, the Reliant will only ever be a reasonable ship once the cockpit section remains horizontal and aligned with the cargo area. It's ok for the wing to flip and do whatever but the crew must always be able to get up and access internal area. Without that, this ship does not exist to me. It is too much of a drawback, among other inherent drawbacks from the funky design.

[@daren2501]

I like this ship design, it is definitely more of a Star Wars style ship or shuttle. PvP and ship size problem will always exist. The ship has its own character as it is, and is more sci-fi. I don't think we should all fly Arrow's in order to min/max on combat performance (don't trim the wings, its ugly).

[@mattp1337]

I think CIG should reserve the right to reduce a ship price where needed, and grant store credit to every ship owner for a value reduction. CCU holders will simply have to adapt, like they always do around price adjustments.

[@MrDecelles]

The easy fix is simply to have the edge of the wing super armoured.

[@zantrag]

I love the Reliant series long wings and all. Shortening the Reliant's wings, strips away it's uniqueness. More fuel and armor, sure. Making internal adjustments to allow access to the rear section during vertical wing flight, sure. The wings could simply rotate around a collar on the outer hull, leaving the interior aligned at all times. I think the short-winged version is ugly by comparison.

[@patchfortyfour8119]

Dawnstealers' version looks like a "stingray"

[@louhodo5761]

Correction..Its pronounced Koe-ray. And the Tana does have cargo. 1 SCU. Lol

[@lordfraybin]

The game was VERY different when the Kore series were 1st introduced. Nevermind the failed implementation of the Mako & Sen.

[@strongback6550]

For its size and price, it really ought to balanced against the nomad with all its features.

[@xinleitang-o3h]

i find it funny, most science and exploration ship are made by misc. but most of the exploration player do not like misc aesthetic

[@zantrag]

No way you could know what most other players like... Clearly YOU do not like the MISC aesthetic. The rest is pure speculation.

[@xinleitang-o3h]

@@zantrag well, I just think that the mailbox slot view and the metallic texture is not very fitting for an exploration ship. it feel like an old steamboat.

[@thedoctrinetv]

Two things, and unfortunately both are expressing disagreement. First, regarding lore, Mirai, and MISC. It makes sense for the Reliant to be MISC and for the Razor to be Mirai. In my head, I view it as a sort of realignment of the companies. MISC is blue collar and Mirai is all about performance. I figure MISC was figuring out how to integrate Xi'an tech as a cost-savings measure, throwing everything at the wall to see what stuck (lore says the Reliant was intended to be a budget solution for backwater planets). Meanwhile, Mirai was much more cautious with the introduction of Xi'an tech (Razor's lore implies Xi'an tech was cautiously, perhaps even reluctantly integrated at later phases of production). After Mirai saw what the MISC division accomplished, there was a realignment of the companies missions with Mirai focusing heavily on Xi'an tech for performance and MISC only integrating it when it cut down on costs. Essentially, the MISC Reliant is the ship that built the Mirai that we know today, and the evolution of Project Daedalus into the Mirai Razor is the result of the modern Mirai. Second, I absolutely hate the idea of shortening the Reliant's wings. It's one of the most unique fighters in the game, even if it isn't the best performer. Like EXE said, cutting the wings down makes it look like a Gladiator, which looks like a Hornet, which looks more or less like an Arrow, or a Sabre, or a Scorpius, and the dozen other airplane-themed fighters in the game. That being said, I fully support making its wings two thirds to half as thick and mounting its missiles on exterior racks. As for rear compartment access in vertical mode... the only way to do that without making the Reliant look god-awfully ugly is to 1) detach the cockpit from rotating, 2) remove separation between the cockpit and rear compartment, or 3) not require anyone to be in the back to operate the Reliant Tana's torpedoes during combat. Let's be honest with ourselves: while it would be nice to have the freedom to, in a combat situation, there's absolutely no practical reason to be in the back of the Reliant unless it's a Reliant Tana. And in an out of combat situation, there's absolutely no reason why the pilot wouldn't just go back to horizontal mode to allow passage. It's such a massive non-issue.

[@zantrag]

I absolutely hate the idea of shortening the Reliant's wings as well. It is one of my favorite ships, just as it is. More fuel... sure.

[@tagariuskhan]

What sucks is CIG will not take design inputs from outside sources. This is a cool idea but it won't happen.

[@DawnstealerGaming]

Hmmmm...that dawnstealer person looks sketchy

[@danielpray6049]

Unfortunately if they decided to make these changes, and put it on the list of things to do, it wouldnt get done for another 5 years. I love this ship, but I wish it would get more love.

[@pugjob4612]

I appreciate your videos but you guys always tend to get fixated on certain things and ignore a huge part of the equation. Kore is only slightly larger than medium fighters. Puts out the same dps, and out maneuvers something like a hornet with slightly longer beam, way smaller profile in other directions, has interior and cargo and an extra seat. If you compare it to ships that it goes toe to toe with, It's over $100 less