InMotion V12HT Range Test - Did Not Go According To Plan

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[@joshuafowe159]

my v12 ht with 300 miles so far has had no problems, hopefully it stays that way

[@matthewearl9824]

I have both. My v12 HS always goes farther. Also the HT heats up and battery drains about 8-10% faster. Sorry about your cutout. I am glad you are ok.

[@Smalltar]

Damn, somehow with your videography, you make Kamloops look so scenic. Great job on the vid, tough luck with the rides tho.

[@terrenceclark763]

What a shame, but I'm glad you're okay. I wonder what's making it cutout, especially that Inmotion can't find anything wrong. I've had a V12 hs since 2021and the wheel has been faultless 🤞. I calculated that I could ride over 100km on my wheel, though I haven't tested that out yet.

[@jimmykiang4420]

yes 100km on the v12 ht is probably possible... but going downhills XD

[@baryton76]

I am happy that I've decided to buy a KS18XL not a V12. That is good that you are OK. 30KM/h is a speed which could be dengerous in case of a cutout.

[@landocycle]

Luckily I was fully geared up during both crashes and only suffered a couple of scratches. 18XL is a great wheel.

[@kuleabondallian2163]

Similarly, I outright sold my V12HT at a loss after 1 week on it because I really disliked how it felt. Unfortunately for me I'm located in a city that doesn't have groups or vendors to test wheels. I ordered my 18XL with the funds leftover and it's been a way nicer experience for me, love it.

[@danmano478]

In my opinion, the split accounts regarding this wheel is due to the fact that Inmotion buys the battery cells used in its wheels from different sources (for profit), so the quality of cells differ from wheel to wheel, regardless of the same model and same batch. This way, buying an Inmotion EUC (maybe this goes for the other EUC manufacturers too, when the cells used are not clearly stated on the selling website page - like for Sherman, Samsung 50E cells) becomes an expensive and dangerous lottery. I think, to change this practice and make the Chinese manufacturers accountable, you, all the EUC customers/enthousiastes should verbalize/made clear/shout out your desire that the dealers ask firmly the Chinese manufacturers to regulate the acquisition of battery cells from one place (the best in quality, not in price) and disclose the cells used and their provenience for all EUCs produced. Until this will happen, buying an EUC, will remain unfortunately a lottery. But if the dishonest EUC KZbinrs are interested in safeguarding this confusing situation, which gives them subjects for endless videos (cutout, why cutout, remedy, diy, improvements of new batch, etc.), then they will not adopt and spread this idea of full disclosure of the name and provenience of the battery cells used in each EUC. Though, you can still write and spread this request in your comments and on specialized sites like forum.electricunicycle.org, also as a request in your reviews on dealers’s sites. Let’s hope, the common sense and our common interest, as customers, will prevail. Thank you.

[@landocycle]

I hear your frustration and agree that EUC manufactures often cut corners and don't fully disclose which battery your wheel might end up with. Unfortunately, the issues run deeper than just that: The first cut-out I had was from a bad motor - it was just a freak accident due to bad QC or manufacturing. The second cut-out seemed to be driver board related. A lot of IM cut-outs were also due to the fact that they were sent a bad batch of mosfets from their suppliers. It's a complicated issue because it's basically just the way China does business for the time being. I wish there was much better care throughout the entire process - from design, part sourcing, manufacturing and QC. For what it's worth, I do believe companies like IM ARE trying to improve safety and probably don't like it when their wheels randomly cut-out and hurt customers. Best we can do for now is vote with our wallet, voice our opinions online and post videos like this to publicize when there are serious issues. Thanks for the comment!

[@danmano478]

@@landocycle Thank you for your pozitive reply. I am sure that there are other issues that can cause a cutout, like you mentioned (motherboard/mosfets issue or motor issue). I think though, many of the cutouts are purposely attributed specifically to these parts of an EUC, to save the cells used of any blame. Why? Because fixing the motherboards, motors, BMS, etc. is easier and in Chinese EUC manufacturers control, unlike the battery cells, that are produced by third parties and are expensive (being a secondary energy source, by needing gas to be produced - so this “electric future” is in fact more expensive, maintaining, if not increasing the level of pollution). If battery cells have a minimal or no part in EUC cutouts or defects, in the first year, when we cannot speak yet of battery aging, why Chinese manufacturers don’t want to disclose the cells used in each EUC and their provenience? Because the clients would be able to associate the failure of their wheels with the respective cells and producer, and don’t buy wheels with those inferior cells or from EUC manufacturers who are sourcing their cells from that bad cells producer. Isn’t it striking that we know about motherboards, mosfets, motors, BMS, but we don’t know the name of the battery cells used? Until companies like Inmotion doesn’t disclose the battery cells used in their wheels and their provenience, I don’t think they care about the safety of their customers, about spreading this means of travel to the masses. All they care is their pockets. We want full transparency regarding what battery cells are being used, which are a significant part of the high price we pay for an EUC. They should be forced by law to disclose to their clients what they are selling (not only “dust in the eyes”: specs and looks).

[@TheDownloader86]

Damm that is strange. I have 3000km on my V12HT and I never had a cutout problem. Sometimes pedals dip a little but it is very rare and no cutout...

[@whatswheelygood]

Glad you are ok! i just recently passed 2000 miles of rental car style riding on my v12 hs and it has held up quite well. I hope it continues to do so but the failure rate of these things is still too high. Do better inmotion.

[@TheMoboarder]

Yikes 500 miles on mine No issue yet Good luck to you buddy

[@matthewearl9824]

I have over 4000 miles on my v12 hs and 400 on my ht. No problems. But there are a few videos of problems. Every brand has some issues I notice.

[@jimmykiang4420]

sounds like the controller board is bugged... I had a v12 ht with ~2300 km ridden and it never cut out on me once. Still glad to see that you are ok

[@OneWheelTwoSkis]

I've had cut outs on my V12HT even after replacing the controller. I feel your woes! I'm really looking at the Patton. Heal up.

[@digi_tv]

Same here. I loved my HT, but it's dangerous. I have the HS now.

[@tomaszjaniga4725]

Just get my first wheel two weeks ago. I was considering this one thanks god I changed my mind.

[@gpsanino]

The motor was stuck with a metal debris inside. That is not a cutout but a trash inside locking the motor. This can happen from a stone, piece of wood, etc as in this case the trash inside. Inmotion covers cases like that even if out of warranty because it is obviously a mistake from the motor provider. However, when a motor is locked, we have to put the EUC immediately on its side to force it turning off, to save its electronics. Pressing buttons etc does not help. If the motor gets locked, we always have to change the control board or at least do a stress test before riding them again. Because all the electronics are set to huge stress and something may become "ready to fail". To change only the motor is a huge risk of exactly what happened in this case. Most likely the control board got damaged when the motor got physically locked. When going down hill, it was producing full voltage. That tension may have finished by braking an electronic component that was ready to fail after the locked motor event. Now you have to change the control board and it will be ok. I am glad you did not get hurt.

[@Nemonurwingy]

Man, the wheel has been out a long time for that to still be happening. I guess I’m glad I have a comparatively safe Begode wheel that doesn’t randomly yeet me to the ground.

[@landocycle]

This is the first wheel in the 20 or so I've ridden that's done this, let alone twice in a row. Very strange

[@Fishfood007]

Rumor is this is fixed now according to ewheels. I just ordered a v12HS hopefully it is fixed.

[@eddy6969100]

Its so so weird , I own one as my first euc (Now I have a sherman-S that cutout on me and is on its way to repair at eevees) but I have 7000km on it (probably more around 6000km since the app doesnt measure range right) and it never cutout on me ever , it has been extremely reliable on me in many conditions . ONLY thing that is a red flag these days is that I always need to calibrate it every time I turn it on otherwise it tilts back and turn super weird .

[@Michaelajacksonfilms]

Very nice shots, however every time I put my camera down to get a wide shot nine people come up and pick up the camera screaming whose camera is this 😂

[@landocycle]

The struggle is real.

[@KaizenOz]

Started out in a V12ht, have a Veteran Patton on order.. can’t wait

[@landocycle]

Any issues with your HT?

[@KaizenOz]

Yes. Battery voltage was not the same on both packs so it threw a warning and then shut down after my ride and wouldn’t turn back on. Local retailer replaced a board and Inmotion did a remote calibration for the packs. Then when I got it back it would lose track of what’s level, would slowly start dipping either forward or backwards. Super weird. Did it once when switching between commuting and off-road modes, you could literally see the pedals tilt about 10 degrees forward when it was without a rider. Board was replaced again. Seems ok at the moment. But I don’t trust it after seeing videos like yours and others earlier with boards sent back to China and still no answers from Inmotion in what cause the dumping rider problem. Bring on the Patton…

[@JailbreakTips]

My V12 HT also cut out on me 3 weeks ago. I was going 24 mph and I ended up with a torn meniscus and ACL . I was at 85% battery, not leaning hard or anything. Only had about 200 miles on it. All of my coworkers are saying I should sue in motion 😂 When I rode slowly (less than 15 mph) I was able to get 55 miles on it. When I rode fast (averaging 25 mph) and some light hills I was able to get 30 miles on it

[@landocycle]

I’m sorry to hear mate, get well soon.

[@gar_ee8884]

I swear, every time I come to the decision to purchase a V12HT, another video immediately comes out of it STILL having cut out issues. I understand these issues are "rare" and only happen to a tiny percentage of wheels normally, but the fact that it has happened to 4 - 5 youtubers out of the assumedly hundreds to thousands of wheels they've sold leads me to believe this is a far more widespread problem than inmotion is letting on. There's no way that 0.1% of wheels all happened to go to the handful of random EUC youtubers.

[@jontaba80]

I want this to be my first wheel and I’m dying to ride already but I have the same issue. Seeing these issues arising for nearly every KZbin reviewer and hearing about everyone else’s parts they gotten replaced by warranty already, I might just save up more for a Patton or wait for the Inmotion Adventure series. This is disheartening

[@zogly9469]

I have the V12 HT and have had no reason to regret it so far. (Only ~800 miles though.) I did take a spill on it last month, but think I was over leaning it. If just getting into things now, it wouldn't be a bad buy, but I'd probably get the Patton or one of the Adventure wheels. (Probably the latter. We'll see.)

[@kutvis]

Oh no, what a terrible luck! :| Thank you for the video and great you are ok!

[@DonovanWert]

Wow that’s the wheel my 76 year old riding partner rides!! Hope he doesn’t get any cutouts!!😮

[@landocycle]

I hope they don’t either!

[@hanaesw]

Found this video after my V12 HT cut out on me, only have 150km on that wheel. When i got up I tried to turn the tire it had so much resistance so i called my friend to pick me up.

[@landocycle]

Sorry to hear mate

[@dirt.surfer]

I wanted one of the og when it was announced. Did a pre-order at eevees, then I got hit by a car on my s18. With all the v12 had, I decided to drop my order and pre order a s22. Too bad the v12 seems like a fun little wheel. It's a shame it doesn't have a good track record, I'll pass on random shutoff.

[@landocycle]

Glad you’re ok!

[@Electric_roller]

Over 7500km on my V12 HT and ZERO issues. Wheel rides like new and has the best riding feel of all my wheels (I own the OG Serman, Commander Pro, 18XL and of course the mten4 lol) I ride it in all weather btw

[@digi_tv]

I had 2 cutouts toast @ 2369 miles. That's insane how many miles you have on the HT.

[@bravedave90]

Doing a range test on a second hand wheel with close to 10k miles and on incline at less than 50 % battery also doesn't help. IMO, the V12 HT is strictly a commuter wheel when your commute is no more than say 15 miles (24km) you should be fine. The rim is strong enough for off road but, without suspension, i dont think its the best choice. I try not go below 50% before recharging. But, at my current rate of speed, it usually takes me 2hrs before i reach below 50% which is pretty good. I think when i get faster and want more range it'll be time for a new wheel. For now, anybody who's been riding for less than a year should probably wait at least a year or two before buying a new, higher performance wheel.

[@EUCRAZY_AU]

So I'm confused if you are recording why aren't you posting the cutout videos?

[@landocycle]

During a range test I’m probably recording 5% of the time. Missed both crashes unfortunately.

[@EUCRAZY_AU]

@@landocycle you need a better setup then I'm a novice KZbinr and I managed to capture all of my ride 200km ?

[@landocycle]

@@EUCRAZY_AU a dash cam might be nice for the crashes, other than that you’re going to want to cherry pick your clips to tell a story - filming an entire ride makes 0 sense as a filmmaker. And if you’ve ever tried to find 3 second clips in 5hrs of footage, you’ll never want to make a KZbin video again lol.

[@EUCRAZY_AU]

@@landocycle true i hear you about the editing but I guess the point of a range test is to proof to the viewers that you went the distance I find people fine believe it's for some reason anyway sorry that it happened to you and hope you're ok mate. keep up the good work.

[@landocycle]

@@EUCRAZY_AU yea, that’s why I try to post the Re-live at the end, it gives viewers the option to see the entire journey in a couple minutes. I think most people on KZbin are ADD, including myself, so I try to keep my videos short and to the point. Marty is the man for 1hr+ long videos, not me! Thanks for the comment

[@milordas]

every complains about V12 is about HT version, and newer hear about HS (on v2 board)

[@user-hc9dw9gb5w]

It would be good if EUCs had ability to record debug logs that you could send to developers so they reproduce the problem and fix.

[@landocycle]

Inmotion does just that. I sent them the log but everything seems fine on my end which is disconcerting.

[@user-hc9dw9gb5w]

@@landocycle In future versions they probably should put more sensors on the wheel.

[@arevee9429]

Too bad. But at least it's on a 15K wheel instead of a relatively new one. And InMotion is supposed to be "the reliable one". I can't say my Begode wheels are built like tanks, but they haven't left me stranded or cut out. Kingsong did a nasty cutout on me and I felt that injury for a very long time.

[@Godzdeal]

Got my v12HT with 2800 km, daily ride it and he never cutout on me! but I don't ride below 30%.

[@bepriceless]

My V12 tilts back extremely at about 30% thinking its at zero. I've recalibrated and it didn't change anything. Luckily, I don't really ride that long to make any difference. Maybe you're having a problem like that.

[@landocycle]

This gave no warnings and dropped me instantly, it felt like the motor cut power. It 100% wasn't tilt-back.

[@Richplaceholder]

1500km on my v12ht with no problems, dirt roads and trails every ride but i also almost never ride below 40% or above 40kph

[@TheDownloader86]

I did 60km/h almost every ride, I ride down to 20% and no issue... This is just bad luck and faulty unit 😢

[@theocatic2295]

how recent was the wheel purchased out of curiosity? I've had my v12HT for a few months, and have put a little over 300 miles on it without a single problem. Guess I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed :/

[@landocycle]

It was purchased last June. It was 300km on the odometer.

[@dirt.surfer]

Btw if you ever come to Kelowna contact me, eevees has my contact info. Great riding here in the mountains. Plenty of trails and lake side mountain roads.

[@landocycle]

Will do!

[@WILSONsHobbies]

damn what the hell. Stupid Euc , THROW it in the lake haha

[@TroyArn]

v12 no longer on my list.

[@landocycle]

It's honestly insane how it failed twice in a row and each for different reasons. I uploaded the log to InMotion but the diagnostics say its fine. I suspect the last crash was an "acceleration glitch" Wrong Way! experienced. Shame cause it's a great wheel when it works.

[@TroyArn]

Wrong Way's experience and his subsequent decision to reject the wheel was the first thing that came to mind. Any cutouts - barring stupid shit like us riding the beeps - on single wheeled vehicles are unacceptable. We're putting our physical health on the line and paying a small fortune too - we need to fully trust the equipment..

[@landocycle]

@@TroyArn I've owned a V8F, V10F, V11 so I fully understand the limitations of smaller IM wheels and adjust my riding accordingly as the battery gets lower. So I'm 100% confident in saying these are all hardware or software related crashes. The sad part is that this wheel only has 300km on the odometer - basically new and it looks beat now from it self-destructing.

[@scottsum1319]

v12 is a piece of crud. Its not the only v12 that has this random cutout issues. Definitely a do not buy.