Inmotion V14 First Ride & Range Test

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I will be doing a follow-up range test that better mimics the Master/Commander Mini test, but I still think this wheel performs poorer in terms of range than some other wheels. Read my article for additional information on this wheel and its range: forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/34467-my-inmotion-v14-adventure-trials-tribulations-and-triumphs/#comment-490500

[@stevorun9865]

I really appreciate that you talk about shock settings and PSI, etc on your reviews. Thanks !

[@LongshanMusic]

Awesome. Thanks for the metric conversions. 👍

[@Tre_Notes]

Ohhh yeah baby. Been waiting weeks for some V14 content!

[@MTF.DevonRed]

Great video as usual Marty glad you are on your way back. Love seeing your riding routes.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Thanks :-)

[@gavincronin6816]

It's great to see you back reviewing wheels. 🎉

[@scottsum1319]

Hey Marty I remembered you liked the CoMini, alot. Hows this v14 do in comparo ie. suspension, power, torque, etc?

[@mikepipher3347]

Yeah I’d like to hear a comparison between the V14, commander mini and the extreme.

[@fisttaface]

EUC's are like phones now. New models coming out every 4-6 months. Getting better with every new release/batch. I cant wait to see where they're at in a few years. The progression is insane. I started on a 16x in 2019. The wheels now are leaps and bounds better.

[@gloomy5487]

Still only has one wheel and thus the most unstable and kill-you-quick among all EVs.

[@vafixer8885]

Would you recommend this as comparable to the V12 as a starter wheel for new riders? I like the suspension and saftey features as well as future proofing my purchase when i become more skilled. In Brazil the roads mayaswell be "off road" so riding a v12 beyond learning would be an actual pain when riding since that doesnt have suspension.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Certainly the V14 could be a good starter wheel and the suspension is very nice.

[@joerana5606]

I find that it's best to do range test after the batteries have been through a few charge cycles. Never get a good range with a Ling ride fresh out of the box. Look forward to seeing additional rides and tests.

[@jdbergan]

I hope it gets better range than my V12

[@Laic]

@@jdberganit can not. I will say v12 has better range than v13 even

[@supercurioTube]

Lithium Ion batteries only lose capacity (slowly) for every discharge/charge cycle. The range can't be higher after a couple times than the first time. (But you get more used to the wheel and might ride it slightly differently)

[@boblatkey7160]

@@supercurioTube I work for lithium ion battery manufacturer and our batteries due in fact increase in capacity after about 10 to 15 cycles and then they slowly go back in the other direction. Probably only the kind of stuff that you would notice in a lab with accurate measurement devices however.

[@BruceWayne15325]

Thanks for the video Marty. I'm glad that your ankle is doing well enough to allow you to do this test. While 40 useable miles isn't the best, I would still consider it at the bottom range of a good commuter wheel (which would be my primary use case.) If it continues to hold up well, and performs well, I could easily see this being my next wheel. The excellent waterproofing, small size, and okay range seem like it would be a good fit as a commuter.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Certainly a big selling point for this wheel is quality and weatherproofing.

[@jws5210]

Hi, could you please share the no load speed of V14 you tested? I would like to know real world data. Thank you.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I'm still waiting for a replacement V14. All I can tell you is the firmware limits you to 43-mph

[@MrSmirnoff72]

Thanks for your testing 👍

[@Rockin_EUC]

Have you tested the Patton yet, I am very curious of your opinion and how it plays into the v14/extreme mix, thanks!

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I'll get to that

[@Bravozulurm2]

Nice review Marty.

[@JustNetUser]

Thanks, good review. I wonder what would change if you used a street tire like the one on the Commander Mini.

[@joerana5606]

How wide is it compared to other similar sized EUCs. Im looki g to upgrade from a V11. I tried the Patton but it's so much wider than the V11

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Your problem is the V11. It was always known to be a thin wheel and ALL the new wheels will feel very wide by comparison, including the V14.

[@Reikon_a]

Thanks for the review, we definitely need more tests! The wheel looks great, but the headlight seems qite weak, I don't know if it is a camera or not. I don't know why, but new wheels don't want to go long distances. For instance - my X16 with a much smaller battery can do the same result as the Adventure...

[@christopherclements4707]

The power differential between the adventure and your 16x is massive. We're talking about 84v vs 134v and a 2200w motor vs a 4000w c40 motor. Apples and oranges my friend

[@Reikon_a]

@@christopherclements4707 Yeah, I understand the differences, but something is wrong here. Marty hasn't pushed it so much and with such conditions power consumption doesn't have to be this big. I'm not even talking about climbing to the steep cliffs and have a blast on the road. I just don't get it, what's the point of having a heavy and expensive wheel, if it doesn't provide more distance at regular conditions.

[@s0d4c4n]

The point is that there are a lot of riders for whom range is pretty low on their list of criteria for choosing a wheel

[@arevee9429]

What is that super-bright auxiliary light? Patton range has been very good. It's definitely still going strong after 40 miles.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Answered in previous comments

[@samuelju9247]

Thanks Marty for the video. I’m also a bit concerned about the range, one reason might be the 4000w motor that draws more power than the mini and master; or maybe the firmware design, to achieve the off road performance; I am hoping inmotion will design a eco mode for commuters to gain a bit more range

[@ScrubbyRocks]

great vid! Did you adjust the suspension? If so, what were the settings?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I'm riding with the soft settings - no compression and mid-rebound. With full compression and rebound it becomes a very stiff ride (but able to take BIG drops)

[@FabienMathey]

Thanks for the video! Looking at the data you posted, it looks like this wheel might be similar in range than the other 2. The forst 25miles you rode faster than any of the other 2 wheels and the average speed moving is the same between the master mini and the v14. But because of that initially higher speed and the higher top speed, the battery drains a lot faster. So if you keep under 23-24mph, I think it will be similar maybe a little less. I’ll guess 55miles 😅

[@ElectricUnicycles]

You may be right and that's why I'll be doing a more formal range test. But my "gut" says it'll still perform worse.

[@FabienMathey]

@@ElectricUnicycles maybe. If it works at all, that is 😅

[@GplusGains]

Thank you Marty. You do good work.

[@FarkyJ]

i think that mini is the most balanced wheel in terms of drainage...2400 battery accomodeates that c38 perfect...no need for c40s on 2400...c40 is for 3600

[@dantemarcos1410]

I agree commander mini is a very solid wheel.

[@emerymako4063]

Love your auxiliary light. What is it? How is the V14 at climbing ? I enjoy my V13 here in the mountains of Pennsylvania.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

SOFIRN 36 - amzn.to/40p5iZK I haven't taken the V14 offroad yet, but will be

[@fisttaface]

Sharp looking wheel

[@toddzang253]

What Auxillary light do you have ? That was impressive illumination

[@ElectricUnicycles]

SOFIRN 36 - amzn.to/40p5iZK

[@kkauntprostogo4eloveka]

great job!! tnx!

[@zogly9469]

As someone who lifts my V12 HT up some stairs every day, I'm happy to hear that the V14 has a lift feature. What riding mode were you using? The sport mode, or the comfort? I suspect the new ride modes could influence range a lot.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

It does weight 91-pounds though :-)

[@TheLillianYoung]

I’m jealous of your flat, open roads. Sincerely, NYC Rider.

[@OnizukaGTO]

wanna see how the quick battery change is like. is it viable to carry a pair and change at a pitstop or is it only good for user friendly replacable old and/or damaged batteries.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Carrying extra batteries is a nightmare. Sounds good until you've tried it. It's really not a quick battery change.

[@eriksvedlund5961]

A faster charger would be a better IMHO.

[@toddzang253]

AVS - May we go outside the track and get your wheel dirty from off road use please ?

[@SERGEI_ULITYCH]

6:02 Can you tell me what this "canopy" is made for?..

[@ElectricUnicycles]

It's a remote control airplane park. Protects the bicyclists from possible falling planes

[@cuncunpru]

How does it compare to commander mini?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

They both have a stiff (but effective) suspension. My V14 broke very early and I'm still waiting for a replacement so I can provide a useful comparison to other wheels, yet.

[@HungrySpinz]

That headlight looks like what it should be on every wheel

[@FourthWayRanch]

I got bad hall error on my V11 after a tire change, the app said get a new motor! I checked the motor with my VESC and it ran fine. Then they said try new motherboard! They're 300 bucks, what? It's sitting in the corner, 1800 miles on the new vet patton so far

[@friendlystranger167]

Did you make it home?

[@truthiscensored]

Many lights are weak on EUCs compared to Bicycle lights. I have a light I brought on Amazon years ago and it literally shows about 1/2 mile ahead...almost like a car. My V12 light is good, but I only see about 30-40 feet ahead max. That not a lot when going at a good speed. I may velcro my front bike light to my helmet. I brought a smart rear/Tail Brake light from Magic Shine, it is super bright and it lights a red ring about 10 feet around you while riding. I put that on back of my helmet

[@Algader-]

Thx.

[@ek-nz]

Even the “small” wheels are pretty big. I’ll stick with the S18 till something that’s actually 16” comes out, preferably a similar weight to the S18 too. I’m no range junky - my legs wouldn’t last anywhere near 40 miles. Half that would be fine for my uses if it means a weight reduction, though I’m quite lucky to live in a compact city.

[@danielandrejcik4668]

Is this 50S or 50GB version?

[@skan8]

50GB for the orange wheel, 50S for black I think.

[@yarnf]

I think v14 looks good and will not have anything meaningful to say about it until I actually try it of course, but the more I see it the more I'm happy with my Extreme for some reason...

[@skan8]

So what is the Voltage on 100% battery?

[@schepi7656]

134

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Should be 134.4-volts but the supplied charger only outputs 133.6-volts

[@Mpower31]

The headlight looks disappointing :/. How does it compared to the Master/commander mini? Could you do like a line up headlight comparison?

[@ElectricUnicycles]

A higher quality beam, but about the same effective brightness.

[@uuzd4s]

Not that you really had a choice here as the advertised range was exaggerated for "normal" riding conditions, However, 18650 Lithium cells that are pushed to their Max Charge and Max discharge are only good for a few hundred "Duty Cycles" at best. (a Duty Cycle is a full discharge and full recharge). Following the "80/20" rule w/ Lithium's will increase their rated Duty Cycles by a factor of 4. IOW, a High-Performance Lithium pack rated for 400 Duty Cycles (100% full charge discharge down to less than 5%) will usually make 1600 Charge Cycles if charged to 80% max and Discharged to no less than 20%. This is why Cell Phones will go over 1000 charges easily and why the High Performance use of Lithium's in Radio Controlled Aircraft (Drones, Heli's etc.), E-bikes & E-cycles & other PEV's will only last a few hundred cycles before they will only take a 70% charge. (a max of 70% charging ability for a Lithium is considered the useful end of it's charging career). It's why "Balance Chargers" are so desired when charging a Lithium pack as they actually have the effect of extending the packs useful # of Duty Cycles considerably. It's why you'll get almost nothing on your EV when trying to sell it after it's charging abilities have diminished to that 70% level. Lithium's are Expensive to replace and make up a Huge portion of the original selling price for All PEV's & EV's.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I appreciate the comment but I really don't care about the resale value of any of my EUC's. I own and ride them to have fun and usually buy newer versions long before I see any battery degradation.

[@uuzd4s]

@@ElectricUnicycles Ride On Dude ! 👍 I've burned up a few LiPo's in my day. Ever seen a 1/4 scale balsa wood Aircraft catch fire midflight because the LiPo was pushed to far ? You'd be Amazed at how far it can fly w/ the Battery on fire ! 😆

[@EUCLimburg]

A taillight that is mutch easier to see at night, whow. hahahaha.

[@Ingothnia]

Let's go back to at least some new designs with modest specifications with good range and wheels we can pick up any carry.

[@jltplease]

There's not going to be any new designs. In fact, EUCs are probably going to become very similar to each other once people figure out a design that's both comfortable and cool. Just like smartphones.

[@SwitchUpYt]

@@jltpleasehmmmm I’d say it’s not a comparable product just look at cars as a better comparison. All shapes and sizes. Phones have evolved to be all screen meaning very little variation. Wheels are a different kettle of fish entirely.

[@Mpower31]

I feel like inmotion wheels just get shittier range then other brand for whatever reason. My V11 range is pretty meh, V13 Range seems pretty meh and now this. Is it because IM limits how low they're batteries can go in voltage? Do you think you could report the average wh/mile for the V14/CM/M?

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

V12 has similar range as the MSP / RS19 line up. The range on my EX30 also isn't very good. It is much closer to the Abrams with only 2700 Wh. My Kingsong S22 with 2200Wh has a lot less range than my Patton with 2200Wh.

[@Mpower31]

@@BunnyslippersEUC can you list some numbers? I'm curious.

[@CyrusBlades]

It's a mid range wheel... still a lot better than a T4 or V11!

[@CapitalWheeler]

Beautiful ride,, except for all the trash. I think I want to wear lights

[@Laenthal]

Looks wider than i imagined it to be. The coil seems to be not working at all, too stiff. Definitely not a pensioner's wheel.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

This is a firm ride. The shock is designed for abusive riding. You could change the shock or buy a different wheel if you want a plush ride. Probably the Veteran Patton would be a good alternative in this size wheel.

[@suppahero9861]

The v14 is what the v12 should had been ..i wish the v14 top speed was 50 mph than it b prefect

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Yes, this is not a fast wheel.

[@suppahero9861]

Im honestly having second thoughts ..lol i mean its a good wheel …the new features r amazing but performance is kinda lacking… i could b getting a sherman s or lynx .. probably b better for the long run.. its just do i really wanna spend more money ? lol .. the v14 is already at $3300 …Rn i believe sherman s is at $4000 with 3600wh .. tht is sweet ..lynx at $4200.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@suppahero9861 This wheel is ideal for "adventuring" offroad. There are better options for street, particularly if you want to ride fast.

[@justinspirational]

Get the extreme, cp mini or patton in this class for trail riders if you want a little more speed..extreme best value imho.. love mine..a thrilling pocket rocket.. but like Marty says these 16" 4p wheels are not designed for sustaining high speeds on street unless you get the 50s versions (50s extreme coming soon) but better to get 20" wheel or larger for the best high speed street cruising at top speeds stably..either 4p 50s or 6p or more like ex30 or master pro

[@ElectricUnicycles]

@@justinspirational Way too early to recommend those other wheels over the V14 for trails, especially if you've never ridden it 🙂

[@jaefrmbk2k]

👀❗️

[@niekonesakyki]

Ok so the battery on v14 is 💩 just like on v13. Oh wow, what a surprise 🤭

[@wasilka1]

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[@michaelganshin2017]

I just wonder- whether it's a must to dress like a cosmonaut? Or like a supercross champ rider? Well even they dressed lighter.

[@jdbergan]

Well he is testing a brand new wheel and 3 months into a broken ankle from the last new wheel he tested so yea

[@IsaiahSleziak]

Supercross bikes have two wheels and stand front to back without power.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

I have broken multiple bones riding EUC's and other injuries. I'd rather dress like a cosmonaut :-) Why should it bother you how anyone else dresses? You do you and the rest of us will dress how we want :-)

[@vegaknight8770]

I always notice how insanly padded up he is. It's great seeing EUC reviewers gearing up. I bet newbies are more likely to put on a helmet when they see all these guys gearing up. I love the example being set even if I'll never gear up that extensively. Hint hint to that NY reviewer.

[@michaelganshin2017]

@@ElectricUnicycles I haven't said that I'm bothered, as far as I remember.

[@tomrulz444]

Meh

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Thank you for your contribution :-)

[@Mpower31]

Lol Marty the sarcasm@@ElectricUnicycles