'Innovation under constraints': China leaps ahead in AI race, tanking Nvidia and spooking investors

[@morgansofia]

I read that Nvidia provides tech for crypto mining services/blockchain transactions. Could the current crypto pump be attributed to Nvidia’s great earnings and should I hold some crypto as well, cos tbh I’m having FOMO with the current crypto price at 100k.

[@winifred-k9e]

Microstrategy CEO bought $155million worth of bitcoin, so yes BUY!

[@LUCIASMITH-d1z]

It’s going to be a wild year for these sectors, so you should def. invest in crypto. 60% of my portfolio is spread across tech stocks, crypto and Crypto/Gold ETFs.

[@JacobsErick-u8r]

well the crypto market is expected to do way better than any other equity sectors this 2025 especially with the SEC crypto ETF approval but it’s a volatile market nevertheless and if you’re new to it, it’s best to reach out to an experienced adviser for proper guidance.

[@ThomasLuke-u3v]

Yes, my asset manager advised I spread further into mutual funds and crypto Etf and boy am I glad I did. The whole idea is: Don’t get too greedy and also to exit at the right time, so generally I do find having an adviser very helpful, because what Avg. Joe really has time to watch and comprehensively analyse the market.

[@HoskinsShanellNicole]

could you recommend some good advisers? don’t get me wrong, I already have an asset manager, but he seems not to know much about crypto.

[@thedancingdreamman]

America has officially fallen behind. It says a lot when you want to spend 500bil to keep up with the guys that spent 6mil. I think this current government is all show and no substance.

[@chrisdraughn5941]

The DeepSeek release has triggered a major sell-off on Wall Street, exposing what many now believe to be systemic overvaluation and hype within the Project Stargate $500 billion AI infrastructure plan. The release demonstrated that the investment claims driving Stargate were based on inflated projections, with OpenAI and its partners accused of knowingly embellishing-if not outright lying-about secured funding, costs, and anticipated returns. This revelation has shattered investor confidence, as the distinction between "embellishment" and "lying" becomes irrelevant when the intent is to mislead stakeholders into committing enormous resources. Critics argue that the creators of Stargate manipulated perceptions to secure buy-in, but the transparency provided by DeepSeek’s analysis exposed these claims as speculative at best, fraudulent at worst. The result is widespread panic, not only undermining trust in Stargate but casting doubt on other tech projects built on similarly shaky foundations【54】【55】【56】.

[@NCM-xy8ow]

Why is that surprising? For 4 decades, China has made so many products and services much cheaper . To a level that no one thought possible.

[@danielmackay8099]

I don't care what the work conditions are like for a Chinese worker.I still don't like buying products from communist China.

[@Bizzare77777]

yea much cheaper and crappier!

[@AlwaysAwesome001]

China STEALS 🇺🇸 INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

[@badbad-cat]

​@@Bizzare77777 this is 2025. Chinese products are of superior quality. You can cope and seethe

[@Joe-pz4pj]

Ex father in law lived their. He told me seven families would live in one modest home over here.

[@fredowusu22]

Whenever America can't compete, they start throwing around the term privacy. It's not as if your tech companies respect your privacy anyway. Someone should please explain open source to the panelists😂

[@Eve-esdf1234]

Thank you! Our social media corpos lost business to tiktok, suddenly it's a "security threat." Then it got banned, we jumped ship to xiaohongshou instead of facebook or twitter, now xhs is the next "security threat". Is it really about security?.. Or do they just want our money?

[@Eve-esdf1234]

Thank you! Our social media corpos lost business to tiktok, suddenly it's a "security threat." Then it got banned, we jumped ship to xiaohongshou instead of facebook or twitter, now xhs is the next "security threat". Is it really about security?.. Or do they just want our money?

[@cashflownpv]

@@Eve-esdf1234 GARLIC!!!!!!!!!

[@jrkr7357]

Right, privacy, human rights, overcapacity, forced labor although US is the first country to use slaves

[@thatimos7783]

They can't cope.😂😂😂😂😂

[@fradesjo]

It's our Chinese New Year gift for the world. 恭喜发财 ！！

[@Supremewin777]

FALSE 😂😂😂

[@mistertoppy]

Computer virus😂

[@mrinmoyroy100]

Good gift 🎁

[@chhan591]

Hope it’s not anther fake gift like Baba😂

[@williamobryan682]

Moo deng ! Moo deng !❤❤❤❤

[@SkippiiKai]

These journalists have missed a LOT of the points on this story. The new AI is an open-source model model that can be used off-line. While it is correctly mentioned that the model can be run on a user's low-power laptop, they miss that the point of this is that it doesn't need to connect to external datacentets, meaning that your data stays on your computer. They also failed to mention that Deepseek had a much more limited scope than GPT or Gemini, and that this is achieved by training it on AI models, not massive datasets. I know this story just broke today and you were scrambling to find any experts to get on air, but their lack of knowledge is just embarrassing.

[@Eve-esdf1234]

^^

[@SkippiiKai]

@@Ellen-h4l Nvidia didn't over-react, tech investors did. Nvidia actually praised the innovation. You'll have to ask an economist if the reaction was appropriate...or just wait and see. My personal opinion is that a new technology that reduces energy consumption by 90% is a good thing, regardless of whether or not we just started construction on a bunch of power plants, or whether Trump announced a half billion dollar Stargate investment 6 days ago.

[@data_the_android]

None of these anchors understand Open Source and still talk about data privacy.

[@larrysankey6976]

They got so much wrong, these "experts".

[@marcosolo6491]

I'd be happy if they could even pronounce nvidia.

[@artcorner1298]

Not surprised. Outdated walking dead.

[@Camie2023]

So true. We send companies over to china etc. china get to have the name of our top stem high school in china along with their curriculum. Soooo.

[@dearcoolz]

Napoleon once said, "Let China sleep; when she wakes she will shake the world"

[@DementiaJoeTeleprompter]

Dear, Well China 🇨🇳 is advancing fast and they have WAY WAY more people and that means more scientists and more everything!

[@GerardoUmi]

​@@DementiaJoeTeleprompter their population has shrunk after their one child law in the 90s and 2000s

[@DementiaJoeTeleprompter]

@GerardoUmi Yeah. But still i think they have a huge population don't they?

[@DementiaJoeTeleprompter]

@GerardoUmi Also didn't they recently take that rule back?

[@apipsk819]

​@@GerardoUmithey are 1.4 billion chinese now, in 2050 about 1.3 billion

[@justinchristopher1101]

From $10K to $110K that's the minimum range of profit return every week I think it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family...

[@chrisburnett8843]

Please how do I go about it, am still a newbie on investment trading and how can I make profit?

[@wesleybowie4704]

Yeah, 256k from Mr George Bryan , looking up to acquire a new House, blessings

[@ryansnyder4442]

I have seen so many recommendations about George Bryan, his strategy must be good for people to talk about him

[@AlexanderM837]

I've never seen someone as perfect as Mr bryann. he knows how to analyze trade, and with his strategies he has earned me €16,835 in 18 days of working with him

[@davidjohnston907-s9z]

How can I get in touch with your broker George Bryan, I not good in trading, am. A newbie

[@LeScribe2]

""Deep""" respect to China

[@albertcadgame8314]

😁

[@ZgO_o]

Protecting American people...😂😂😂 i almost choked on my own spit😂😂😂

[@AESvis]

It's Open Source you can build company server offline. It's free.

[@jasonmartinez9051]

'If you're good at something, never do it for free."

[@barelyoperational6587]

I know it’s so hard to listen to them be so misinformed about how that works

[@celxoirealyx]

​@@jasonmartinez9051fun fact: Alexander Fleming who invented penicillin wanted this medicine to be given for free.

[@jaclrossrick6327]

​@@jasonmartinez9051yeah. So give all your money to American ai.

[@wongwk4670]

Deepseek is free because it uphold the vision of China to create a world community with a shared future for mankind.。。。。

[@albertcadgame8314]

Now I am beginning to think China really mean what they say. China always say "for a shared future" and now the world has a free powerful open source AI for the world to use it. Huge respect to China !

[@alanwongcw]

When Chinese give you R1, they should already have R2 or R3 on hand!

[@KoZeroSM]

They don't even understand how "open source" works....

[@sabro2025]

For people living outside the US the privacy risk of given the US or China access to your data is equal. Since the US under Trump becomes very unreliable as business partners China maybe the safer way forward.

[@Eve-esdf1234]

Also this model is open-source. You can put it in your computer, then disconnect your computer from the internet. It runs on your PC--doesnt need internet, if you are worried about privacy. The model is better than ChatGPT (Ive used chatgpt extensively, now ive switched). Its a very smart LLM, but is still very stupid sometimes.

[@Eve-esdf1234]

Also this model is open-source. You can put it in your computer, then disconnect your computer from the internet. It runs on your PC--doesnt need internet, if you are worried about privacy. The model is better than ChatGPT (Ive used chatgpt extensively, now ive switched). Its a very smart LLM, but is still very stupid sometimes.

[@yaphonghor4409]

China does not waste its energy on spying all the 7 billion people while US monitors them all because they can afford to!!!

[@Mr_Beaubles]

Karma for Nvidia's history of price gouging their loyal customers.

[@redstarchrille]

Useless Ai if one cant even get correct fact of the communist parti, not a singel bad word can be found about the crappy dictatorship that is China., IF a AI cant give correct facts it has no real use.

[@Lexwell_Lavers]

Our businesses are more focused on raising money than creating the best and most innovative products.

[@ibrahimn97]

Some people are just smarter

[@adlenechellali2419]

they have the environment for that .....

[@BigBadJerryRogers]

Yeah good luck with that whole America first stuff

[@redstarchrille]

Untrue, Useless Ai if one cant even get correct fact of the communist parti, not a singel bad word can be found about the crappy dictatorship that is China., IF a AI cant give correct facts it has no real use.

[@DaveSchultzXXL]

@@BigBadJerryRogers Democrats: America Last.

[@nobrainsnoheadache2434]

Yeah ask it about Tiananmen Square lol. Smarter HOW???

[@davidyu3815]

China: Come on guys, keep underestimating me. Surely, this 5,000 year old civilization that has been a superpower multiple times in history can never surpassed the United States.....right right? Wink wink.

[@ladytee3814]

Somebody does it better and is cost efficient..shocking!

[@redstarchrille]

Useless Ai if one cant even get correct fact of the communist parti, not a singel bad word can be found about the crappy dictatorship that is China., IF a AI cant give correct facts it has no real use.

[@chhotuchavada5497]

Elon Musk's vision for XAI051v is inspiring, can't wait to see it come to life!

[@redstarchrille]

Elon Musk is a failure as a person...

[@Toekneepowers]

The American people are getting exactly what they voted for. You’re acting like Trump didn’t win. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@krisp1878]

DeepSeek R1 was completed before Trump took office.

[@castlekingside76]

​@@krisp1878 it's his problem now

[@superbwater78]

You'd be surprised at how many actually didn't.

[@Toekneepowers]

@@superbwater78 What’s your point?

[@franko1904]

Everything that Trump touches dies or goes bankrupt. Americans start migrating to Canada or Mexico.

[@mfjosh6422]

This is the Ironman moment ‘Tony Stark was able to build this IN A CAVE!’ 😂

[@desmondho9567]

❤❤❤❤Reality the facts of the century, from TikTok to Rednote and now the biggest bombshell from China is deepseek. 😅😂❤

[@jamesbell739]

What is the difference between China having user data and Tech companies having it? Both of them use the data to do the exact same things. The Tech companies are not benign in their actions. They want control, power, and money.

[@myleswolfe1959]

What about the implications for the environment. Surely better to build AI that doesn't take mass computing power.

[@byunghwara]

It would save a huge amount of water used to cool down the hardware. Of course this is amazing.

[@maomobile]

The dumb idea to spend billions on real estate to build data centers. Use fossil fuel to power the whole concept. I don't think this was well thought out.

[@Eve-esdf1234]

Deepseek is more efficient. Much better for the environment

[@tonysu8860]

I heard that argument many times and don't agree at all. Who is ever going to choose to run their software on anything less than the best hardware they can afford? And slower hardware and older technology chips does not use less power. For the same amount if computing power older twch actually uses morebpower.

[@byunghwara]

​@ The point is that businesses wouldn't need to purchase any of those over-priced hardware. Instead, they can just use their existing hardware which might seem outdated. But remember, DeepSeek is also much more efficient. So it's like this equation: Old Hardware + DeepSeek == Shiny New Hardware + OpenAI. Do you honestly think that manufacturing those GPUs does nothing harmful to the environment?

[@jaketron.seattle]

"More" didn't win, what a profound wisdom

[@jasonchen5994]

It is open source, egghead. The source code is there for anyone to look at. If there is something funny inside, we can't see it? If you are worried about the same old privacy stuff, just install an instance on your own server.

[@Eve-esdf1234]

Thank you. This segment was clearly rushed by the eggheads at msnbc, or they are pushing the "china bad" narrative. Im not sure they know what open-source means...

[@dennisw8026]

Do they not know it is open source and that the chinese app is not needed? 🙄

[@ytfanlingeric]

If you have so much concern, just don't use it, simple as that. It is not charging you anyway.

[@redstarchrille]

It just collects you data, and give zero true facts on historical event in China. The AI cant name a singel bad thing the communnist parti have done.

[@artcorner1298]

Whenever you can not compete, you use national threat as a pretext to ban it. This is an open source platform, you can download to your phone. What privacy you “sacrifice”?

[@stewartbjorgan4840]

China keeps increasing investments in research while the spoiled US argues about who has the largest grievance. Expect more of these surprises. China is four times larger, and they are just getting started.

[@Eve-esdf1234]

China investing in its future, vs US investing in its military and prison system.

[@mikeg02]

You can't keep AI in the USA, no one has a moat, AI is for everyone.

[@eagle1ear]

Pay attention to what Ron Insana said at the end: "He (Scott Bessent) wants to replace the Income Tax with a National Sales Tax." Guess who that hits the hardest: 1. The Middle Class 2. The Working Class. 3. The Working Poor. Watch your wallets and warn your Congresscritturs!

[@MontMichel3754]

What a joke, just announced $500 billion to build the biggest whatever for AI

[@Bauks]

Glorified chat bots ... How is this even a story?

[@tonywilcock6334]

People will gravitate towards Chinese platforms as they are perceived as less bullying and therby more trustworthy than US ones

[@muhammadsaroshali2274]

A few brain cells died listening to the privacy concerns, given that DeepSeek went open source.

[@jjsc4396]

Yeah, that’s because Invidia was never worth such ridiculous amounts. Just another hubris filled, bloated tech-bro darling who’s main product could OBVIOUSLY be had for free 😂

[@JeanGunnhildr88]

It's over already. Not just AI but everythings. China look at US as a fool who make them laugh 😂

[@lianqiao-l2p]

bravo deepseek

[@redstarchrille]

The AI cant name a singel bad thing the communnist parti have done, So given that it cant give correct facts its become useless.

[@AkhileshKumar-om4xi]

XAI051v is going to moon, mark my words.

[@Sonofabeach2006]

Even stocks I hold in the Uranium mining sector that we’re going great took a hit today…. Big “IF” that China have legitimately created this for the low price they claim. Can’t deny that it’s impressive.. Even if most of the stocks I hold took a hit 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@IsabellaCoelho]

So IA investment was a big speculation? Not that expensive to develop... Who would know /ironic

[@ChrisWu-hz1ef]

It's a new year gift from China! Happy new year of Snake baby! Cheers!

[@redstarchrille]

Bots... Useless Ai if one cant even get correct fact of the communist parti, not a singel bad word can be found about the crappy dictatorship that is China., IF a AI cant give correct facts it has no real use.

[@TotalEqualizer]

The Chinese also want data. They are trying to refine and load the new model with as much data as possible to train it and make it even better than ChatGPT. Nowadays, data is where the money and power is.

[@DNorthWest]

This is the consequence of Linux but amplified exponentially. This incident occurred over 85 years ago. In 1942, nearly 90,000 Norton bombsights were manufactured at a cost of $8,800 each, which is equivalent to approximately £2,183 in 1940 currency. The RAF Mark XIV bombsight, which was tested and found to be more accurate, cost £60. Ultimately, the Mighty Eight shifted to area bombing. Norton was a master of marketing. Similarly, consider the Mitsubishi A6M Zero, a technological shock to America due to the Japanese trade bans in place, akin to DeepSeek. Arguably, the restriction on access to high-performance chips compelled DeepSeek to develop innovative software solutions using cheaper chips. This situation is comparable to BYD’s success over Tesla, but with a more tangible product.

[@stevehansen7895]

This just in! Nvidia stock just want from 2000% overpriced to 1900% overpriced 😂

[@victorhuynh4031]

Still more room to go down for Nvidia.

[@neelmodi6693]

Actually it dropped 20% in value, so perhaps closer to 1600% overpriced

[@redstarchrille]

Its not overpriced you are just poor, and dont know the value of a companie that have products in every home and work place.

[@justinpagelawrie]

The problem is capitalism.

[@stevehansen7895]

I think you are mistaking our current economy with normal capitalism 😂

[@justinpagelawrie]

@mikekane2492 Think that one through bud

[@justinpagelawrie]

@ It is, it's the natural progression of capitalism.

[@justinpagelawrie]

@ No it's not. China thought they could do it better and they did and then shared it for free. No capitalism there.

[@unknown-dc1xi]

@stevehansen7895 "ThAt'S nOt rEAl cAPiTalIsM"

[@hahtos]

The billionaire AI tech bros who think they can buy their way into oligarchy got smacked into mouyh a bit. Thats ok, the more advanced HW you have the better off you are in the long run. And I bet the Chinese had many more gpus than they let on

[@endofdaysprophet]

Leading in A.I. , Drones, E.V. s, ETC. Still a DEVELOPING COUNTRY???

[@michaelslick350]

It's why I invest and spend safely - not in tech stocks.

[@mtcnew8353]

It’s open source. There is no national security issue here. But there is competitive threat to US tech dominance. Don’t you think national security excuse is getting a bit old?

[@mikjb]

In light of this we really do not need tik tok.

[@hyphen798]

Trump got trumped again bye CHINA 🤣😂😭

[@redstarchrille]

Not hard to trump a toddler..

[@sclogse1]

"Never get off the boat" - Martin Sheen, Apocalypse Now.

[@josephhall1049]

pride comes before the fall for US tech firms

[@qret-dv5ym]

Where there's a will, there's a way!

[@musiceol7]

Will Guangxi province replicate Guangdong's success? Can cities like Wuzhou and Nanning follow in the footsteps of Guangzhou and Shenzhen?

[@zylxtv]

Back to Nvidia improving my counter-strike gfx

[@mikjb]

The average person can not detect trojan horses in tech.

[@delusionalz8707]

The west is so salty right now!!😂 Loss trillions!!😂

get rekt nerds

[@ryen49]

weak.

@@ryen49 cope

[@ryen49]

yawn.

[@Eve-esdf1234]

what does this mean 😂😂

[@elenafeliciana4603]

3 olders just worry about security issue ,oh my god😂😂😂😂

[@DataBeach]

US wants to ship tech products and services to the rest of the world but doesn't others to do the same citing National Security as a major reason. Isn't that weird?

[@redstarchrille]

Facebook and Twitter would be banned outside US. due to they both have conection to Trump. Just as Tiktok has to follow Chinas communist parti.

[@alexissantos4820]

Y’all let it happen. Super Conductor Nancy💯

[@adnanh2400]

@INSIDE RUSSIA: What about Rosatom, nobody dares to sanction them. Even USA is importing uran

[@tinaamway2367]

You all should probably refresh yourselves on the invention and history of gun powder.

[@superbwater78]

Cant wait to see Trump throw a fit. 😂

[@comedy.com_01]

Your analysis of XAI051v was spot on! I’m ready for those 10x gains, especially with Elon Musk backing it!

[@redstarchrille]

Elon Musk backing pedofiles also...

[@mengreat6982]

I've always thinking, ain't AI needs us we human interaction to gradually improve it touches so why should we pay a lump sum for it

[@mikjb]

National sales tax? Will hit income levels disproportionaly. And are they truely talking about everything?

[@RenzoTx]

The biggest FU to Trump from Xi Jinping 😂😂😂

[@gautamkumar-li7ey]

Privacy concern on open source Ai😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@vinnibes]

What are other nations giving to the US when they use Meta, OpenAI or any other US app????

[@oscarmendez3362]

This is just as embarrassing as Elon selling his piece of crap trash bin w/wheels for $100K then the chinese came out with BYD truck (5 times better) for $45K!!!

[@mahp3039]

It’s the golden age! Happy lunar new year!

[@stephenbesley3177]

So.... invest in raspberry pie !

[@josephhall1049]

3:55 "privacy concerns" - but it's open source...

[@charleslewis9871]

It was more of a standard stock market correction.

[@johnnguyen699]

Everything, everywhere, all at once....

[@alicewaggle6803]

Trump the GYNOPHOBIA Republican Party leader !

[@thebilboshow168]

Has multiple women in his cabinet But keep lying it didn't help you win did it?

[@BigBadJerryRogers]

​@@thebilboshow168lol. This is about the country of Gyna not women 😆

[@attackofthewindmills]

This is important for your viewers to start to help them wrap their heads around this technology. This is democratized AI which is good. Introduce them to AI Agents. We need MSNBC to bring in the intellectual nerds and philosophers Right now, the race is in speed. However, it's going to go fast. If you regulate this then the outside world will collaborate and pass us by. We are actually better equipped to AI. Why? Probably bc America tends to be more entrepreneurs or open to ideas. Again, speed and efficiency is the race.

[@krisp1878]

China did not leap ahead. DeepSeek R1 is a chatbot. The future of AI is not chatbots.

[@xinyiquan666]

china leads in every AI, not just chaTbot, as well as robots, , , i,dt

[@fredowusu22]

A chatbot that can wipe out one trillion dollars must be a super chatbot😂

[@codewithwaseem6489]

It's LLM not chatbot

[@Enigma-t6n]

It's literally a Programming AI work horse, that can do computations much faster & more accurately. I get it, for redditor brains, AI seems like a chatbot. Because to know programming, workflow etc....one needs a college degree or atleast the do the revenant course in internet.

[@djohansulaiman4331]

You know nothing. Just try and compare it.

[@carlosdangerfield9477]

Who needs Education, when you have H1Bs.

[@ChareleChervonne]

Question: What has China ever innovated? created? not replicated? answer: nothing. No Fear 😑😐🤔

[@johndowner2196]

Speaking of the cost of eggs; egg on your face Trump from China for only $9.5 Million 😅😂

[@streampunksheep]

Thhis talk about privacy is so horse manure. USA tech companies have been gutting privacy since day one.

[@Anthony-dj4nd]

Tuesday. Tech sector. She should get checked out

[@PeopleLoveShorts]

They got no f clue what they are talking...

[@thomasucc]

Bailout for wall street coming

[@naiyang888]

Good!

[@Thaigera]

The problem is marxism

[@sclogse1]

Groucho, Harpo, or Zeppo?

[@Eve-esdf1234]

Hey if marxism means universal healthcare, and that I can go to the doctor when Im sick, then sign me up!

[@saraceno1979]

I am watching from the Bay Area… waiting for the Tesla stock to crash 😂

[@larrysankey6976]

They got so much kinda half right in this starting with, correct me if I'm wrong, but is Stephanie Ruhle saying NeVidia, not "N"-vidia? Insana compared DeepSeek to ChatGPT, it's actually a competitor to OpenAI's o1 model. It’s a thinking model. The other guy said she could run it on her laptop, which is kinda true, the 1.5b, 7b or 8b parameter models, or a quantized model could run on her MacBook. They didn’t mention open source at all, which negates the talking point about it being Chinese made. It can be totally reconstructed by anyone with the money and hardware, or fine tuned. So you don’t have to worry about using it on your own hardware, even if China made it. It was all a bit dumbed down.

[@thecolorhero1078]

Let the guest's talk, you might learn something!

[@PeterWraaeMarino]

she should shout up and let them speak

[@sclogse1]

Well, why don't you ask her. She's got a lot to cover in her segment. And they'll be back.

[@shaheenshaheen9653]

Security problems again for USA😢😮

[@mayankjain4364]

Its open source! No data leak :P