INSANE $1000 SUBWOOFER | Blown at RMS Power…

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Well now we know who all the DC fanboys are. Sorry your $1000 sub couldn’t take the smoke. Go checkout my review of the Deaf Bonce 3012R to see a sub really handling some abuse 😈

[@Krotos1970]

Parker have you plans on testing ctsouds subs?

[@Krotos1970]

Well it's a good thing all my subs are from skar audio and CT sounds, I wouldn't spend $500 on 1 sub let alone $1000

[@NewEnglandSPL]

Don't have to be a fanboy to see his flawed testing and inexperience.

[@djkeys415s]

and then you still put a link in the descip. for the sub how cool is that

[@Krotos1970]

@@NewEnglandSPL wether he knows how to test or not he put the less expensive subs on the same test and they survived

[@OrionHCCC26]

I'm glad you are keeping it 100 and telling it like it is with DC packaging. Simply unacceptable.

[@OrionHCCC26]

@nate0 I also got 4 different subs from skar about 4 years ago as well and they were packaged pretty well.

[@MuscleMustang07]

I can go ahead and tell you DC doesn't send level 5s in a single box.

[@OrionHCCC26]

@@MuscleMustang07 what are they sent in?

[@GetFuktPriusOwners]

@nate0 Now it takes 20 minutes and a machete to open a skar box. My 8"s and 18" came every well packaged.

[@gonenutz5150]

My level 6 18 was like that, but worse! Sub is fine tho

[@wal]

Oh man that's a bummer! Based on what you've shown, I'd expect DC to warranty your sub. Great video and sometimes things like this happen, it is what it is.

[@bkh5746]

It should have played for a week on 3k

[@MichaelJohnson-je2vo]

Longer

[@Mrdrdxse]

Hey big D

[@areasonablethought610]

That's a nice looking speaker but if I can't do its RMS then it's not worth it. I understand​ that you have to gradually break a speaker in too.

[@michaelbaldwin8869]

No it's not worth the money I had .y skar sdr 12s for 3yrs and I have a rp1500 and I push them boys hard every day and I tried to blow them and they still survive

[@woodrowmcdonald2907]

I have had the same issue with other subwoofers. 45 Hz is pretty brutal on subs like that, the voicecoils will actually cool down on the lower frequencies. I have put well over 1000 watts rms more than subs are rated at at frequencies betweeen 27 and 36 Hz with no issues. Two of my favorite woofers were DC lvl 4 15’s. I don’t think anyone should judge all DC products based off of this video.

[@bassheadlifetelevision2264]

I do 170s at 52hz with them.... never even get hot or clip. Thats the difference between proper enclosure and tuning.

[@woodrowmcdonald2907]

@@bassheadlifetelevision2264 Have you ever tested a sub with a higher FS and more cone area at 52Hz? I would be curious if that would get you even higher?!!? 170's are nuts! I just recently hit 155 and I'm working on 156 lol

[@olbluetundra881]

Man that's a bummer. I've had a couple DC lvl4d2 15s for years. Built a custom box tuned to 28hz. Sounds amazing. Got them on a wolfram 4.5k. Just now starting to get loose after years of beating. I'm an old school basshead. I've ran just about everything. I even still have my old Pyle pounder 10s. And my old mtx 55s 12s. Being over 50 now. Fun to watch the young guys doing an excellent job on reviews. Back in the day the only reviews you got was in the hot seat. Keep it up

[@thenitruc8165]

If you ever replace them go Digital Designs.

[@duanederouen7917]

Next level car audio did a excellent video on why the dc audio subwoofer blew. It all has to do with enclosure size. Makes sense.

[@codybrownfield8222]

Really need to look into the factory specifications. Box is 66% larger than recommended enclosure. You will have unloading issues for sure. I’d love to see a zv6 or 3512 take rated power in a 4+ cubic foot box 66% over recommend specs.

[@filibertofonseca8083]

Thanks for taking one for the team. Much appreciated review

[@whoopdeedo83]

The point is the box is going to be closer to what certain subs require and further from others. Meaning subs that work best in that box size are getting an advantage and subs that require a significantly different box size are at a disadvantage. Its not going to produce accurate or meaningful results for every sub.

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

Much easier to test them all in open air than it is to try and make the right box for all of them.

[@nelomedia805]

Dude did his own solo Deathmatch in an improper enclosure with a dirty signal. I've got numerous teammates who run DC in competition and throw all kinds of power at them in the proper enclosures and NEVER have issues. Customer service is EXTRAORDINARY and UNMATCHED. DC Audio FTW constantly!

[@djkeys415s]

yep but this sub dindt last power wasnt dirty i dont think AND AGAIN WHAT WAS THEY THINKING WHEN GTHEY BUILT A MONSTER ASS SUB BUILT FOR A BABBY BOX???? MAKE ME UNDERSTAND???

[@vasquez3769]

@@djkeys415s DC Audio is known for small boxes.they hit hard AF I had 2 DC XL Elite 15s on just 6 cubes. These 12s only need 1.5 cubes. You won't understand til you hear one in person. Too many don't believe a monster sub in a small box is a Good idea but it's honestly my favorite part of DC subs. They take half the room a normal sub yet you produce more bass.

[@djkeys415s]

@@vasquez3769 I'm gonna do my research it fkd me up I ain't gonna lie

[@hooptastic_hippie8522]

I've had 2 level 4s for almost 2 years on an sundown sfb8k. And yes I agree there customer service is amazing..I had a cracked cone and they sent me a new cone and the glue to fix it for free and it wasn't even there fault or anything..it was something I had done and they still sent me the stuff to fix it for free....DC alll day!!!!

[@thegarynator]

@@djkeys415s They are optimized for small enclosures. One of the main benefits is that you can fit significantly more cone area in the same size box vs other brands. I.E. You could run 2 of these in the box he was running one in. When you're space limited, it makes quite a big difference.

[@ForceXyt]

suggested air space for that sub is 1.5 cubes also btw. that box looks to be a double double the size you want

[@deedolan399]

I was wondering about the box size also. Great point.

[@cuh_2023]

You know theirs a small box specs and big box specs for every sub so that’s box is probably the perfect size

[@rjgambino9859]

@@cuh_2023actually 1.5 is already big for these subs. I run mine at 1.2-1.3 per 12” on double power

[@PaleVillian]

Don’t feel bad bro, I have a DC Audio Level 5 15” 2ohm sub and the same thing happened to me. I couldn’t believe I just set fire to $1000. I was super bummed! Then I figured I could buy a re-cone kit and fix it right? Friggin DC Audio charges $250 just for their re-cone kit. You’d figure DC Audio would throw the kit in for free since it was still within 1year. Nope! I am Really Disappointed with DC Audio. This proves that not always the most expensive subs are the best. That’s clearly the case with DC Audio…… I’m sure that DC will replace it for you since you are a KZbinr and make videos that could potentially put a dent in their reputation. Good luck bro!

[@rjdatdude23]

Dc makes good products but sucks when it comes to customer service and looking out for the customers

[@tavozuniga7364]

@@rjdatdude23 talking about bad customer service brandx is just as bad. I got a bad alternator it wasn't even charging and the guy wouldn't even acknowledge it and have yet to hear a reply didn't even ask me to send it in for repairs.

[@1970chevy]

@@tavozuniga7364 traded my brand x in for an irragi. Brand x wouldn't charge over like 13.7.

[@JrGarcia-dn6mp]

@@tavozuniga7364 US alternator is what I went with couldn't be any happier its a champ .even customer service was great the owner Dan him self called me I had an issue wit fitment sent it back he fixed the issue. Meechman didn't make a H/O alternator for my 09 g37x sedan..

[@djwonderbrad]

@@tavozuniga7364 JP is a piece of shit. He did the same to me for an alternator that lasted a month

[@JayTown1991]

These dc subs require a much smaller enclosure then other subs

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

Exactly this. The sub was moving way more than it should have been. Enclosure is way too huge.

[@ganjasage420]

The box is small, but not the port hole, far too open for the enclosure. Might as well just be in open air. Seal it up a little more and you'll get far better sound.

[@fd1596]

It was a thermal failure, not a mechanical failure...box size would have made no difference.

[@elcaminosupersport]

@@sHoRtBuSseR deaf bonce was free air & took it explain that

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

@@fd1596 playing below tuning in an enclosure that is too large results in heat buildup because of the amount of air moving through the gap. It just isn't enough.

[@bosshogg95SLT]

I really love all the vids you make but id strongly suggest making a few test boxes which can be closer to the recommended that most of these subs call for it does make a decent difference in power handling per application.

[@prepordietryin9119]

yeah that's true. I remember back when I was in high school I had a custom box made for two audiobahn 15s and I took them out and thought I could just slap some Solo-Baric squares in there. lesson learned there. the solo barics sounded horrible because the box was custom-made for the audiobahn even though they were both 15-in subwoofers they must have had different specs for the box size

[@djkeys415s]

WELL...yea that is true but thats wy me if i was a sub builder i would make sure my box sizing would be kinda wide range just incase every body cant afford a custome box after spending 1k plus on a 12 inch sub{wich is somthing i would do anyway not enugh cone relistate for that kina money} but for parker and his buiness i understand and would spend the money

[@TheSimulatorSmith]

@@djkeys415s if you can afford a 1k and up sub you can afford someone to build you a box for 400 or build one yourself with 3 sheets of MDF if cost is the issue. I built my box for 157 with everything even on the expensive side of MDF 160 for three sheets then 12 for some screws 5 for caulk and 6 for wood glue, need a saw? 40$ harbor freight then a 26$ Drill that’s exactly all my tools for building my box I did 150 at 23hz. I’m not a wood worker and I could do it. Not trying to call you out but it’s really not expensive to build.

[@djkeys415s]

@@TheSimulatorSmith yep it's a thorn in my side for a while now I'm not home right now I have tools at home and getting woods no prob.I THINK IM ON THE LAZY SIDE the new boxes I bought month ago failed during SPL testing for slam next month but I build p.a.boxes simple bass reflex for night clubs thanks for the confidence in me building my own box and i no I can just got to get off my ass and get it done

[@djkeys415s]

@@TheSimulatorSmith was that comment for parker ???or me ????

[@randomtube8226]

You can tell that the sub was unloading a bit. Definitely not recommended for that cubic air space in that box. DC makes good stuff too. Saprised this even happened. Hopefully that warranty has you covered or a recone would be worth it. That xmax was crazy!

[@sleepsensations9755]

No chance they warranty the sub. He's got a video of a torture test. Oh it stinks so let me continue to push it. Warranty doesn't mean the consumer can abuse the crap out of something and have it replaced

[@papapotatopie]

@@sleepsensations9755 Honestly i think the fact that he is an up and coming youtuber would probably make them want to replace it more than just some rando. makes it look like they have good customer service to any viewers. Its pretty typical of most companies to give anyone with any sort of sizable following special treatment

[@gargru]

I'm pretty sure you're were running it in a wrong enclosure, hence bottoming it out (possibly damaging/bending the coil) and burning it due to rubbing or wrong enclosure size. At this power, you can't always use random boxes you got laying around. I wouldn't blame this on DC.

[@2869may]

I seriously doubt the box was too big for that sub... and a small box would help control the sub from bottoming out. (small box = resistance)

[@d77543020]

The owner himself said not to run it in a 10-cube enclosure

[@vasquez3769]

@@2869may box was too big. 100%

[@2869may]

@@vasquez3769 Really...? I figured it was small for that sub....

[@vasquez3769]

@@2869may no not even close. You don't need more than 1.5 cubes for it. Plus his port and every other box spec is wayy off.

[@Esquimalt4Life]

Those lvl5 will eat a clean 5k in a proper enclosure

[@DominionAudio]

In the 15+ years I have bought many subs from dc, ranging from the original 8s up to the lvl 5 18 and most recently the 6.5s and a xl elite 18, not 1 has ever came shipped in 1 box or even damaged. But I have always ordered directly from them and not from d4s. You can call rusty and ask him about your sub and their packaging or i can send pics of the packaging of the subs i have received recently...Now for the sub blowing on rms, idk. I have had the same xl 18 m1 for 14+ years it's still going strong. It started on a crescendo 2k for a few years and has been on a 3.5k for many years after. I have also tried to blow a lvl 5 18 m3 on a pair of 3.5k strapped but it took it like it tickled. But things happen...

[@DominionAudio]

And I have never had to recone any of my personal subs from accidentally blowing them. Now I've never tried to run a straight test tone for minutes at a time, but I've never had a issue with any of them on daily abuse with some comps thrown in...

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

@@DominionAudio yeah I agree that the straight test tone is super tough on subs! Musically the sub took power like a champ. My point was more that when compared to the Deaf Bonce it didn’t really stack up. And yeah idk what the heck happened with the packaging 😂 maybe it had been returned or something and was just thrown in a random box. Regardless the sub was I damaged and was awesome while it lasted! Would still be going if it wasn’t for that damn test tone

[@Capnobvious]

Back when Memphis audio cam out and was big I had the same issue. The coils just couldn’t hang and literally unspun themselves in the motor housing. I see ppl in the comments stating the setup is wrong lol… just because you spend top dollar doesn’t always mean you have the best.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Exactly! And the sub was great! Just not $1000 great in my opinion

[@djkeys415s]

My POINT EXACTLY!!!! yuo can spend less than 500.00 and get better performance that's why I do a lot of budget first

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

Yeah everyone is crying the box is too big, for $1000 it should be able to survive a slightly oversized box at RMS...

[@johnviera3884]

The lower the frequency the more brutal on a sub. Free air is more brutal than any box. He tested the Deaf Bonce free air playing 40Hz at 3000 watts for 5 minutes. The DC couldn’t handle 45Hz in an averaged sized ported box. Maybe the coil was defective. DC needs to send him a new test sub or the verdict will stand.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

I appreciate you man!

[@johnviera3884]

Do you know what the (Fs) fee air resonance parameters are for both of those subs?

[@FatMat916]

Agreed

[@twinturbotony93]

I contemplated getting a DC sub back in 2015 when I got my Fi sp4 18. Glad now I got the sub I did. Got the Fi from watching Steve Meade videos. If you haven't tried their stuff yet I would recommend it. Sub came packaged well too in a wood box.

[@RomaVilla]

Fi subs are very underrated subs

[@Skarfar90]

As BigD would say: COOKED! Fortunately, you can re-cone most of these expensive subs, and most kits are significantly cheaper than buying a new unit.

[@garymiller652]

Dude my skar zvx’s I just bought had a box inside a box with a mold the sub sat In and a mold top that went over the surround and gasket to completely seal it up! And it was so sturdy I used it as a stool to step on to get the subs up in my truck and I’m 250lbs so it was definitely the best packaging I’ve ever seen

[@kdsboosted4954]

I'd have to agree my zvx's were packaged decently. When we pulled my lvl 6's out of the fed-ex truck the boxes literally fell apart. I spent 1200 ea forth dc's and 400 ea for the zvx's. Smh

[@garymiller652]

@@kdsboosted4954 yeah I would be pretty pissed about that myself!! You’d think it would be in a custom gately audio sealed shipping box for that price lol

[@kdsboosted4954]

@@garymiller652 yeah it was disappointing. I didn't realize the box was falling apart until I picked it up and the speaker fell through lucky I caught it barely. I have the 18's so they're 108 lbs each.

[@garymiller652]

@@kdsboosted4954 damn you got lucky you caught it! I would have been so pissed especially if it did hit the ground bc it would have destroyed or at least scratched the motor all to hell for sure. They definitely need to step up their game and spend some of that money on packaging for sure.

[@kdsboosted4954]

@@garymiller652 for sure worst part is I haven't installed any of my dc system yet. I have 2 lvl 6 18's and a DC 10k and the 175.4 with some DC neo 6.5's and it's all still in the closet. I haven't fucked with it yet smh.

[@Bassotronics]

The DC sub got the DC current burning through it.

[@debader]

Yea right dude. That shit came from down for sounds. Dc packages their subs double boxed

[@dzrewn1]

Probably a return, down4sound has went down hill..

[@veezelsrebassed1674]

the problem im having with the comments, claiming the wrong box , but when rockville or other cheaper subs get smoked, everyong calls them garbage, this sub should have still held up , none of the other subs needed a bigger or smaller enclosure , just except it didnt pass this particular test

[@scottiffanimccord1509]

Parker thank you so much for making the video! I think we all learned a valuable (1000$) lesion. PS I'm pulling out my B2 Rampage 12s for 18s, if you would like to test one of these monsters, we could make that happen.

[@aliciaANDanthonySandoval]

Or you could send them b2 12s to me lol😉🤞🏼🤷🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤣💯

[@rodolfosotelo5929]

That is so cool of you bro!

[@loganmilam4065]

Please lol there's like no videos of them out there.

[@apocalypse4720]

The lesson that was learned is that you cant just load a woofer in any box and they will hold up. Enclosure was way too big for this woofer and thats why it blew. Running almost double the volume almost drops the rms rating by half.

[@CompactAudiodesigns]

@@apocalypse4720 that's the regular size enclosure for a average 12 in that power range that's sub just couldn't hang with the big boys at the most expensive price too

[@bigpun761]

The Channel is called Parker the Bass head. Not, Parkers audio Lab. I understand where both sides are coming from. But Parker is Just a Bass Head like most of us!

[@vapeking8882]

You should do a shallow subwoofer test series lots of people these days are pressed for space in there vehicles. And I was looking at DC as one of my 3 choices I'm glad you did this test before I bought 4 dc subs that checks off 1 got 2 left to choose from yet the sundown or the B2 audio. thanks for sharing

[@KidCoyle]

For reference: This box is 2.5^3 ft and tuned to 32 hz. That DC level 5 calls for 1.5^3 ft. VERY solid box though, built by King City Customs.

[@akuma4u]

He basically bottomed out the sub to death due to over excursion due to too large of a box

[@winkletown8828]

Yep and yep!!!!! Haters will say it's fake though. DC Audio makes incredible gear. This proves that this guy in the video is just not that smart.

[@cuh_2023]

That 1.5 is for a every day bass but this box shouldn’t really be big for it this box is more for spl then every day bass

[@Hittin2thabass]

@Travis Hamler ​ lol down4stupid lol what did JP do to you? Or you just another hater with no reason to hate? Gotta look cool somehow I suppose. Also he never shows a clip meter or a o scope so how you know he clipped it for an entire song?

[@ShaneCreightonYoung]

has anyone modeled this driver in winisd for a 2.5 cubic foot box? what’s the actual cone excursion for 3000W at what freq compared to x max / xmech of this driver?

[@ckillac5258]

You need a more controlled test environment, you can't just throw a sub in any enclosure. Did you even research what size enclosure is recommended for that particular sub?

[@SBK_ALL_DAY]

no, this kid has barely any idea what he is doing

[@johnalenwork53]

By far the most intense woofer you've tested by FAR!! Also the best Woofer you have ever touched! Doing something wrong. Enclosure?

[@duca1991]

@@rjgambino9859 Free airing it and clipping it just because its in a larger box LOL. Does that mean when a DD1 or an amp that shows zero clipping that the sub is actually clipping? no. The sub literally has loading from the enclosure, its not free airing just because its 1cft over.

[@Avaddon911]

@@duca1991 I understood what he was saying, it's got way too much space in the box, so it won't take much power similar to when free air. The wording "pretty much" kind of summed that up for you though.

[@djkeys415s]

@@rjgambino9859 yep with that being said wy did the woofers befor it survive?? had to be built realy realy well...?? but 1.5 cubs is dumb to me

[@duca1991]

@@rjgambino9859 I havnt deleted anything? Is the red light on during the 45hz test tone when it blows? Nope.

[@duca1991]

@@rjgambino9859nah I'll leave em disabled, 140 videos from when I was young, don't want fuckheads like you looking at them. Do you want the link to my old facebook page I had for my old bass car? Iv sold it on and gave the kid the page. When I had it it had 2 pride s5 18s on 2 7500s. The kid is now putting UFOs in it soon in that same wall you seen me driving in.

[@goldeneagle7559]

Man, I've never owned a DC Audio sub though I've always thought they were a top dog in the game. Love the video, don't think I would've beat the sub onto another sub Even if it was blown. Just my opinion as I'm sure someone like myself would love to rebuild one of those "pertaining DC Audio Didn't warranty it"

[@derekgardin1512]

DC isn't at the top I don't even know if they are top 3 or top 5....

[@Bassotronics]

Top Dog = Sundown

[@squishypeanut42]

@@Bassotronics dc is on another level over sundown. It's like how sundown is on another level over skar. Most people who have both sundown and dc subs done right will agree.

[@goldeneagle7559]

@@Bassotronics Maybe for you but top dog for me it's the Holees 15, a sub that all companies try to copy and that the JL W7 tried copying only to be 1/10th the size... I'm not going to get into a internet argument over what sub is better as you have your standards just like I have mine! You may like Ford where I like Jeep and is a prefect example of "What works for you doesn't necessarily work for me!" I'm not chasing DB Numbers and I don't want a power hungry sub that has Iron ferrite as it's motor material requiring more electromagnetic force (wattage supplied) to be equivalent to a higher force motor made of Cobalt, strontium or neodymium with less power applied. Iron ferrite, though good for temperature tolerances is rather weak in the magnetic field comparison to the others I mentioned and is why you need 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x or more actual material. Let's just leave it at you liking Sundown and I don't follow trends....

[@Bassotronics]

@@goldeneagle7559 Amen and Awomen. 🙏🏼

[@MuscleMustang07]

Being as I've ordered DC stuff for the last 10+ years, they don't package a level 5 in a single box for shipping. It having all that d4s tape says it was probably something they retaped and sent out like that. Sorry to tell ya.

[@victorioush.7320]

D4S definitely holds some responsibility here too.

[@gregblau8082]

Next level car audio just did an unboxing of the m5 and it looked like a single box, but had bracing in the corners that the wood sits on. Seemed pretty solid

[@KeeMaster]

My m2 lvl 5 18 was pretty much in a crate when I got it

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

You can't just drop any sub in any enclosure and throw it on a pair of 8ks and expect it to take it. That enclosure is totally wrong for that sub.

[@johnviera3884]

Lmao

[@adamthomas1348]

You can do anything lol

[@papaidolatrine2499]

Well the point is the sub couldn’t take it either way

[@HooligansMx]

Lmfao ok dc fanboy he's thrown how.many other subs in those same enclosures and absolutely abused the living hell out of them and they took it all day long go enjoy your waste of money there buddy I'll stick with my sundown's that blow dc out of the water FOR HALF THE PRICE!!!

[@theREALnizzle]

You are an absolute savage!! $1000 sub and gave it the juice! Awesome video 👏. Hopefully DC Will warranty it.

[@jameshooper1382]

Taraps gives dirty power that's why some subwoofer brands won't honor warranties if you're using Brazilian amplifiers

[@Contact_Info]

Where you hear that?

[@nathancarr7588]

I'm here for the algorithm and my boy Parker and his $1,000 paperweight

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

I appreciate you!!

[@nathancarr7588]

I appreciate you man and all the helpful content you put out🔊🔊

[@keatondavis638]

Love the content, can’t wait to see what’s next for the 15in sub content, you should get a king city custom box for the 15s

[@djwonderbrad]

King city is on hiatus. No box orders for the time being.

[@asmallbasschannel9144]

i bought a 300 dollar sub recently and it had 3 packages around it. it was a BassFace indyevo 15/2 sub, 2000wrms, i really love the sub

[@bentboybbz]

I see alot about enclosure size. I'm wondering if it was not damaged in shipping. Also does DC tell you not to run this sub in larger boxes? If they know it's an issue they should be like oh it's 1000 in this best case scenario but if not then rms is lower.

[@gregorijs3kivi]

Larger enclosure does reduce power handling, due to increased excursion under and above the tuning frequency (that means the power handling is limited by mechanical limits). Larger boxes actually can help cooling (due to the increased excursion. There are two posible reasons why its coil blew - 1. Playing it for too long near the tunning, when the impedance is low (lots of current running through the coil) and, ofcourse, near the tunning the cone is amlost still (that means there is little to no cooling, because there is not air movent from excursion). 2. dirty signal. Probably the sub burned because of both these factors combined.

[@gregorijs3kivi]

One more reaaon why it migh have burned - the coil was jumping out of the gap, respectivly - it heats up when it is out of the gap

[@EazyTheRecon]

i use to run dc audio for 2 years for the 2 years im not going to lie i abused them from the moment i got them i even clipped them doing car shows. they took the abuse untill i got new ones and im sure if i reinstall them they would still work

[@davidlieby3616]

Well you would figure DC audio would be better than that! Glad I saw this video sticking with my Sundowns!!!

[@marvincuevas3048]

If dc will warranty it I say we help Parker get his hands on a "proper" 1.5 cu ft box and do it again.

[@jimmyjam5588]

Great video!!! But a couple of things to mention was the enclosure to big because I think DC audio takes a smaller box 1.5 and when you get some money back together you gonna try some fi audio subwoofer to see where it stands with the rest of them!!! It seems like there reasonably priced

[@bearxbunny1835]

Yeah exactly!!! I love the channel and all but you can't put all these subs in the exact same enclosure and expect to get fair results!!! I suspected this was the case too until I read your comment and then checked the specs to this sub myself and yeah your correct. With that said, I still do believe that this sub should have handled it better though, but it is not a completely fair test either

[@apocalypse4720]

@@bearxbunny1835 running a sub almost twice its recommended will decrease the rms rating a lot actually.

[@bearxbunny1835]

@@apocalypse4720 yeah, thats what i meant, If the box is too big it will mess up your power handling significantly. Not all subs are meant to go in the same size enclosure and that's why his tests are quite flawed

[@apocalypse4720]

@@bearxbunny1835 not at all if you are running at half power then this would be ok but full power like you said

[@bearxbunny1835]

@@apocalypse4720 yes it would be, but he's running this at full tilt in a box thats way too big and that's why it shredded. I'd you don't have enough power to run it then you put the sub in an oversized box to compensate and maximize efficiency.

[@djwonderbrad]

You got that D4S difference with that packaging 🤣🤣🤣

[@cxc7510]

Weird that u blew the zv6 and the dc m4

[@kargo6]

@Travis Hamler the enclosure is a good bit of blame too little port area and enclosure looks way too small for those big subs

[@davecarey4710]

Try Resilient Sounds ONYX! I have a single 15 handling 3K all day. clean power b2 amp and lossless music from audio control dsp. quality power matters but it would be really nice to see you demo one as you have reviewed so many woofers on your power

[@bkh5746]

Xmaxx monster all the way.they sound great.had a 15” on 4500 watt amp it was super nice for price

[@MadTrollGaming]

A 3k amp? If so likely clamping 1500w.

[@zenlunatic25]

Have you ever considered building a fully modular box so that you could quickly and easily change the volume of the enclosure to match the manufacturer’s recommended specs for the particular sub you’re going to be testing? Cheers.

[@djambush360]

This would be fine. And by aligning the port lenght + diameter to the Thiele & Small parameters we would see less woofer blowing up.

[@brianhardemon561]

You killed it my guy. Damn. Nice video Parker.

[@ghostrider07734]

Thank you Parker for another awesome video. Certain fanboys are coming out of the woodwork to criticize your video. Regardless of if the box was too big or whatever I would have expected for a $1,000 subwoofer to hold up much better, and not to mention come in better packaging. I’ve seen you use that same box and testing criteria for other way cheaper subs and they came out unscathed. Anywho I admire that you tell it how it is and are not biased. If you do get a replacement for the DC lvl5 I’d be curious if you ran it in a ported box of 1.5 cubic feet if the same thing happened again. Thanks for another informative and entertaining video, keep on bassing!!! 🔊🔊

[@johnkurpiewski3996]

When I bought my mtx 9500 12” back in the day it was packaged very well. It was screwed to 3/4” mdf !!!

[@OrionHCCC26]

Im pretty sure what blew the sub was the enclosure you had it in. There is no way that DC just goes through RMS testing and blows. They have some of the best soft parts. Weird

[@djkeys415s]

the point is this THAT 1K DOLLER SUB SOULD HAVE SURVIVED if box size is what that sub life line and haert is i woundt want it and we all know dc makes top shelf stuff but???

[@gmcsilverado4183]

@@djkeys415s that is like saying you are pissed a motor blew up because you ran it with no oil. Enclosure size has EVERYTHING to do with a subwoofers life. Do your homework

[@emilioopengo8726]

This is why we have box recommendation

[@ardianelias1291]

@@gmcsilverado4183 I think a sub should handle it’s rms rating no matter the condition, just my opinion

[@gmcsilverado4183]

@@ardianelias1291 so a piston from a chevy small block should fit in a vtec engine? Same logic, same outcome. Not how it works

[@mercuryboy34432]

Yes on the packaging 💪🔊 my skar DNR's came in a fully wooden box screwed in and very protected.

[@djkeys415s]

and at 1k for a12 that subich had beter be in a all dam steel box in a wooden box coverd in vibrainium fused plastic

[@DjR3aper]

Can you still get DNRs?

[@KeeMaster]

My m2 DC 18 came in a wood box completely screwed together when I ordered it directly from DC. Either D4S shipped it in their own box or DC is slipping

[@dzrewn1]

@@KeeMasterd4sound is horrible sometimes

[@scottbe1]

My JP8 came in a damaged box as well. So far the amp seems to be fine and there was no scratches on it but I was also not impressed with packaging. Hopefully my amp doesn’t go up in smoke anytime soon.

[@josephsaucedo8691]

I fill your pian so did mine and it was left in the rain. Made me mad put it in my closet and bought a different amp. It a backup now if it works.🤬👍👌✌️💯

[@scottbe1]

@@josephsaucedo8691 I would be so pissed if mine had been left in the rain.

[@josephsaucedo8691]

@@scottbe1 yup I was perty mad I no the mail service probably did it but to not get any reply was a complete disappointment down4soud could at least ask for a picture then told me to open it and run it. I probably would of order more stuff from them but seeing I not the only one I dought it. Thanks for your time and reply have a great day 👍✌️💯🎵🎶

[@kevinriley5979]

I wouldn't buy a damn volt meter from that Clown JP

[@Jack-us4sp]

Hey bro I've been running the JP8 since last July on a sundown sa classic 12. Killer amp. The knob is badass

[@michaelballone4652]

You Sir are the "Project Farm" of Car Audio!!! Love the videos!!!! !!!

[@lowsmohammed2676]

I was runing a level 5 12 same sub like you seeing in the video on a 4k salt tuned low. The amp was hiting over 5krms. Enclosure was playing fs in the 30s an 20s an i had no problem with the sub. My enclosure(box) was 2 times that size of his in the video. And i had no issues it was the best i ever had. I upgrade to 2 dc excel elite 12 that has 2200rms per sub powered by 2 salt 3k that hits it over 4000rms on each subs an guess what no issues. Not everyone knows hows to use subs an amps. It have alot to do with your box size an airflow thu it as well. You must have alot of experience when it comes to these things.

[@adampaffrath4299]

Damn! Blew her up! Personally I know dc is a good company but for a G wasn’t worth it, always kinda felt they were overrated and you proved it! Keep it up my brotha! Keep them subs slapping

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Yeah it was definitely a nice sub but $1000 is steep for sure

[@adampaffrath4299]

@@ParkerTheBasshead most def man my entire set in my daily cost less than that including 2 sets of d4s 6.5 which are amazing !

[@dzrewn1]

I have 2 DC 8s in a 2.90 cubic foot box tuned to 34 hertz and it slaps…. Everyone thinks I have 2 12s. My box is a little large but I don’t have any cooling issues and the amount of air that comes out of the ports is crazy.

[@dennisthespeedmenace7530]

Hopefully Dc Audio feels this through the bass head community. That packaging from Dc Audio was straight up junk and totally disappointed and was one of my future prospects for my future sub build. Thank you Parker for being real and not sugar coating things. The sad part is that it was a thousand dollar mistake on a company with a platinum reputation.

[@djkeys415s]

dame i had them on my list for compition as well for my bday present to my self but after seing this vid cant do it thanks parker

[@bosshogg95SLT]

@@djkeys415s thats unfortunate dc absolutely will take rms and quite a bit of abuse, beside what I run its the most widely ran company that ppl compete with and win they're pretty damn efficient and are constantly giving out brutal demos and taking championships.

[@djkeys415s]

@@bosshogg95SLT yea I was looking at upgrading to dc at some point

[@gmcsilverado4183]

Dc audio is a great brand. The fact everyone keeps glossing over is the sun was in the wrong enclosure. Plain and simple.

[@DjR3aper]

@@bosshogg95SLT it probably won't take abuse as seen here. It will probably take over rated in the right box

[@winkletown8828]

Seeing that much excursion at 50hz is gnarly. Poor little 12 was really trying

[@darksidefordinner5170]

Everyone mentioned smaller enclosures, my friend had bought 6 18in DC Elites. Every sub he installed, had coil failure. They are notorious for going “slinky”, and fall short of lengthly power use. If you purchase DC Audio, limit your power use by 15% - 25%. Enclosure is key, but build quality has been an issue for quite a while.

[@bassheadlife492]

👒

[@veezelsrebassed1674]

Its crazy how people come up with so many excuses when the rockvilles smoked there no talk of enclosures or box size, i think people are prideful and dont want to except they spent a grand on a sub and couldve gotten just as good if not better for half the price , i guess it is upsetting

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

If every sub had coil failure, you're doing something wrong

[@marcbrewer9748]

Great Content mane! This is a lesson we’ve all had to learn…. Running RMS power or more, Requires spec or LESS(when Overpowered). When the enclosure is Bigger than recommended, you send Less than RMS. This lifestyle is all Trial & Error, don’t feel any way about it, THIS IS HOW WE LEARN & this experience WILL give you a More insightful Understanding going forward. Again, Great work mane.

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

For $1000 it should survive and oversized box at rms lol.

[@5L_Eater]

I had purchased 2 level 5s back in 2008-2009. There was so much hype around them on smds fourm. I had them on a soundigital 12k for 30 seconds and they went. Worst subs I have ever owned. Vowed to never purchase dc again. I’ve always been a fi/aa guy, and my experience just kept me loyal to them. Almost 20 years later, I’ve only used sundown and Fi/AA subs.

[@matthewguynn5745]

He also blew a ZV6 or whatever sundown big sub is.. on his 8k not clipping..

[@zod-engineering-welding]

American Bass VFL 12" comp12d1 Signature is rated at an insane 5 kW RMS, so it begs the question (in my mind): would the VFL handle it's rated RMS? 3 kW of power to be confined in such a small volume/area such a voice coil/gap is no joke. Most small home space heaters are 1.5 kW each, imagine the heat of two of those all trapped inside the confined space of a voice coil motor! Some of the B2 Audio subs are also rated insanely high! Keep up the great work!

[@ThatTransistorGuy]

he put 7k watts through it. He definitely damaged the suspension. And that small box just hinders excursion while also making it difficult for the subwoofer to breathe. Dc audio's defense would be "we won't honor your warranty because you put more than double its rated power". But then parker's offense would be "my other subs are more than significantly cheaper in comparison to the price of the one that blew. My cheaper subs can take that Burst power and the RMS power all day and they'll only be warm. Nor only that but their RMS rating is lower" In my opinion, yes he did put alot of power in the DB test and the box is too small, butttt his other subs performed better in the SAME enclosure and with the same DB test and it definitely shouldn't have blown. Especially given the price! this is why i love the x12 v2 and the v3❤️

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Yeah exactly! I’ve even put 7k bursts through much cheaper subs and they were just fine

[@ThatTransistorGuy]

Omg!!!!!!!!

[@sppb32]

I put over 6k on my X15v3 for db test, 5 times In 5 minutes and it wasn't even warm. This could be an isolated case, maybe the person that build that coil was having a bad day.

[@troyhooper4126]

Pride has the best box for shipping their subs ..it's literally a wood box with rope handles . Soundstream had a nice case for carrying the xxx 15 .

[@thegarynator]

Box looks too big. These should have 1.5 cubes after displacements. Also, looks like really old stock, DC hasn't used that basket for their 12s in a few years. Probably why the box was all messed up and rust in the pole vent.

[@vasquez3769]

Weird. I ran 2 of the DC Audio XL Elites only rated 2200 watts RMS on a 7500 watt DC Audio amp. They take it like a Champ. Those lvl 5s do 5k with no problem. I will say, DC Audio only requires 1.5 cubes for the box. I believe your box is 2.5 cubes?

[@apocalypse4720]

two thins with this, the enclosure was way too big and had to been clipping them to heat that coil up that fast and blow it.

[@vasquez3769]

@@apocalypse4720 yes his box is too big. It may work fine for most subs he tests but that things an entire cube too big. Put that in a 1.5 cube box and it would slap all day

[@Gr8rome407]

The 1.5 is the minimum not maximum recommended up to 30% bigger on an enclosure is no problem

[@apocalypse4720]

@@Gr8rome407 most people never go over 2 cubic feet per sub and they usually run below rated power doing so

[@apocalypse4720]

@@Gr8rome407 Rusty and them say nothing about 2 cu ft per sub due to it will start to free air more and take less power. the best numbers come from 1.5-2 cu ft with them subs.

[@SmalltimR]

Most excellent, these are the best type of tests!

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Thank you!!!

[@tundra2000boy]

Have mine for over 2 years now but I don't push it hard. I do remember the packaging sucked and when I was talking to the guy he said a lot of people have been blowing them in boxes bigger than 2.0 cubic feet so he strongly recommends 1.5 cubic feet

[@lmadden6236]

I was gonna say, DC uses smaller air space than most... The larger enclosure probably played a part in failure. I enjoy Parkers videos, but he might want to go the extra mile and build an enclosure for each woofer to spec. I think Orion did a video showing how their woofer lasts the longest on a tone vs 4 or 5 others and they used the same enclosure on all woofers. It's not a fair race.

[@CompactAudiodesigns]

1.5 cubic for a 12 is a waste of time is better I run a 10 inch sub smh

[@cryogenikaffliktion1769]

the intro cracked me up! Keep up the great content.

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

Try putting it in the correct enclosure next time. Also, don't just go full knob free air right out of the box. That's kinda hard on stuff. I have a pair of level 5s clamping 11k on them and they are doing pretty good.

[@brockmarquis8511]

Other subs handle the same. Look at the abuse db ask him to put there subs through. 5 min 40hz at max rms. Thats is a true test

[@MRR-qv3bw]

I had two 13.5 JL AUDIO W7's with two JL1000/1 D in my extended cab Chevy S10 and bro it was VIOLENT! I never had it in a competition to verify how loud it actually was but cracked three windshields with it! I LITERALLY HAD TO PROVE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I DIDNT HAVE A WALL OF 4 15's. I'm not positive about what made that setup sound so good in my S10 but it definitely had something to do with the custom box and being professionally setup!

[@basseights9838]

You need to test some of these in spec boxes, and that was not free air. You were stressing it out by the wrong tuning... you should've free aired it. I see what you are getting at, but yah some of your testing should be done in closer tuned boxes

[@larrymontgomery4902]

Say bro jus want to say i really dig your videos,i personality have only a kicker R 12 and 1000 w and it is good for me but your videos do inspire to try new and more thanx again...

[@kevinAuman1]

Yeah those Deaf Bonce subs have to be packaged that strong in order to make the trip all the way from China lol-ol-ol

[@thegarynator]

LOLOL

[@GiDD504]

Then why was the made in America one the one with the damaged box? 🤔🤔🤔

[@kevinAuman1]

@@GiDD504 what deaf bonce is made in America hmmm? They're made in Guangdong China bub

[@tencapy4259]

The dc audio 12’s like a 1.5 cubic foot box. I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault, I mean you would usually assume that most subs of this caliber take roughly a 2.5 cubic foot box. They are built with less spiders and lighter suspensions, aiming to crush the high more so and not be cable of as much stroke.

[@AndromedatheBasshead]

Unfortunate to see the sub smoke. I've had good luck with DC so far. I've got two 8s that receive about 60% over their rating daily

[@HifiVega]

Loved the intro scenes! Sucks that sub didn’t hold up, but that’s why I test these things.

[@bassheadlifetelevision2264]

Hopefully you know how to build an enclosure to spec and tune a system. This guy is clueless.

[@HifiVega]

@@bassheadlifetelevision2264 manufacturers specs are guidelines if you are truly trying to achieve maximum performance you model them in a box building program. That being said when you test as many subwoofers as Parker does (on his own dime I’ll add) building a box to suggested spec for every single subwoofer is not tenable. Most manufacturers worth their salt will give you a plus or minus spec as a guideline. When I’m testing I always try to fit within the +- specifications.

[@bassheadlifetelevision2264]

@@HifiVega well I do 170s on music with dc subs that are ran proper. Dont test what you cant test at spec is my point. This review is worthless

[@bassheadlifetelevision2264]

@@HifiVega If you are going to review a product then review it honestly or do not review it at all. Thats good business. I have seen several of his videos and never had anything negative to say. The whole video seems a bit staged in places and I dont think he wanted to give the sub an honest review by saying "lets see if this lasts". This video seems to be click bait for views etc and no care of shooting an honest true review. I put more than rated to these subs, set world records and taken championships. These subs perform flawless in the right enclosure with proper tuning.

[@mattcossel29]

Hey Parker, great content as always! That sucks about the magic smoke getting let out, I'm looking forward to seeing what DC does for you. On another note, have you thought about picking up something from PSI and reviewing it? Keep up the good work and hopefully this video pays for a recone of your dc

[@justinsmith623]

Not in an enclosure almost twice the size as the speaker should have. This one isn’t on DC. This one is user error… lol

[@djwonderbrad]

Rusty will make things right. It's just a slap in the face that Parker put him on blast for something that's out of his control. RATEDwrms sinewave isn't a standard test for any sub....it's a torture test

[@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128]

@@djwonderbrad are you sticking to that, you saying Rusty will make things right? Not sure how you can speak on what another man is going to do, or not do... Especially a businessman, making decisions regarding his business. Guess we'll see & time will tell if you are right or not.

[@djwonderbrad]

@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 considering I know my local authorized DC dealer and have a few teammates running DC I'd say I know what I'm talking about....

[@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128]

@@djwonderbrad well well, let's just see how well you know your man Rusty... Let's see if Rusty actually replaces Parker's subwoofer or if he offers to refurbish it...? Only time will tell & I'm sure Parker will let us know. Just hope you are right "Charlie Manson"

[@lionelhickman6150]

Your the best thanks for keeping it 💯

[@liftedcj7on44s]

I've got 8 of these in a 6th order, you really should of had it in a smaller enclosure. They do not like larger enclosures. You really should have had the right enclosure before doing the test because now all these people will think DC is at fault when the enclosure was not in spec.

[@redbrown5695]

Everyone likes bass but actually each speaker requires a certain amount of air.. actually math and little science are helpful dealing with subs

[@richardwilson5944]

B2 Audio Rage XL 12. 2500rms and the MOST beautiful sub ever.

[@seanjulian8013]

I'll take the Sundown Zv6 for $150 cheaper. We've learned the hard way which one is the best bang for the buck. Nice vid! 👍

[@kidbump]

I have 4 Level 5 15s for 2 yrs on 2 bass15k taramps but clamped 22k and took it no issue. Then I have now 2 dc 7.5k both wired at .35 and demoed at Surf City for 5hrs. If your box is built to specs it will take it no problem and even more. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Jesusnumber1]

Hey Parker in all fairness you need to design a box for each subwoofer brand. Then run all 3 on a sine wave until they all blow last sub moving is your winner.

[@kylez2141]

Really appreciate the sacrifice bro..... We know it wasnt easy

[@debader]

Way to big of a box. No wonder it took a shit. Too bad for all these people on here that think this sub is shit bc of this poor ass review. Dc is one of the durable subs out there IN THE PROPER ENCLOSURE. this was a joke

[@2008guelo]

Yeah DC always makes great products, any time I bought subwoofers or amps from them it always came in more than one box I don’t understand why his came in only 1 box plus his Amp kept on clipping …

[@debader]

@@e.g4732 exactly. To big for the purpose of this video.

[@dirtysouthpyro1981]

Just copped a 12" Avatar STU from D4S using your link. I plan to break it in on a SKAR RP1200.1 for a month or 2. Then ill drop it in a 2.5cft box & feed it 2500-4000watts on a New amp. Cant wait to beat my trunk up for Real!!!! Im swapping out a Memphis Mojo Pro on 500watts which was actually quite Good, but since my TSX came with a Baby trunk i dont really have the room to run 2 12"s or a properly sized 15" so i wanted a Really Good 12" that i could throw a ton of watts at. I was and may still go with a Incriminator Death Penalty R7 at some point. But since the STU was only $300 & the IDPr7 is $630 i went the cheaper route for now. If i do Go with the incriminator later on ill at least have the amp already in place ready to feed it. I appreciate the content on the Avatar, its what sold me on making that purchase!!! Absolutely love the Channel👍👍

[@derrickpfannebecker6131]

I feel like you were trying to prove a point about spending too much. Felt biased. Also think you should have watched the enclosure size that is recommended before abusing it. Personally made my heart hurt to watch you slam it on the ground. I love my elites

[@djwonderbrad]

He's a noobie. He will cringe at this in his later years, even if he gives bass up.

[@alexpickering7725]

6:02 it even says “Suggested Ported Enclosure 1.5 cubes”

[@mariounti64]

Bro that box was 2,5 ft³ way to much volume for this

[@tommymartini34]

Would love to see a PSI platform 5 on here or even the adire audio brahma. The brahma's are awesome but I wanted something different so with the help of Paul at G2 and the owner Andrew at adire audio, I'm having 2 Kali's built in a 12" version. I'm really excited because I love adire and I will be the first to have them in a 12" version ☺️☺️

[@codyharrelson89]

For the same price, you could get 2 deaf bonce 3012r and hit 148-150db

[@areasonablethought610]

That sounds like the way to go.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Exactly

[@joshuameyer7342]

Just awesome buddy... Call it out your better for it..

[@1ohmwrecker]

I use DC's wire. It's at the top of the hifi Vega wire chart, tinned ofc. Great wire although the price went up and not quite worth it anymore. But anything else DC Audio is just too overpriced to mess with!

[@cory7598]

I was fortunate enough to place an order right before the increase. I seen they raised it on eBay but it was still the lower price on the DC site so I grabbed a couple spools (I seen the writing on the wall). It was the best bang for buck tinned 1/O out there, the KnuKonceptz Kolossus Fleks is a decent one too, especially if you can catch it on sale (they have a few sales each year and I keep a surplus so I can wait).

[@ChickenJoe24]

Gp car audio you'll thank me later

[@caseytbss]

Temco welding cable 4/0 pure OFC, when you have quality American copper the wire doesn’t need to be tinned.

[@1ohmwrecker]

@@caseytbss copper is copper. It oxidizes. Tinned don't. So good for running under your car n stuff. Good luck bending that crap tho lol. Look at my KZbin, I've used it all...

[@1ohmwrecker]

@@ChickenJoe24 gp wire is just welding cable with their logo on it. Try full tilt tinned ofc. Thank me later🤙

[@NeedHelpChristchurch]

Nice video. Would be fairly sure this comment section is about to blow up. So will wait for a part 2 hopefully.

[@marcusstanley9317]

A $1000! Sh!t I would have 4 Skar DDX 15s and would still have money left for a Taramps amp! Maybe two amps if but it around black Friday!

[@c0uchsl0uch]

SUNDOWN🏆 Numbers back it up