INSANE Flight Sim Upgrade: Brunner CLS-E Rudders First Look!

[@normanrobinson1932]

Greetings from the.., 🇧🇲 "Bermuda Islands..!!!" 😎👍 Thank you very much for taking the time to review another of *"BRUNNER's"* product offering for the global flight SIM community..!!! 👍🏽💯👌🏾

[@g-locmedia]

Thanks. I’ll need to do some simming around Bermuda. Hopefully I don’t get lost. Lol.

[@g-locmedia]

Thank you so much

[@thatguy7085]

They look good, dirt doesn’t look like it will drop into the controller like most and get wrecked. That was why I bought the high dollar Thrust Master Peddles.

[@g-locmedia]

Yea they are well sealed up with only a slot for the pedal assembly

[@javarenas]

I am so glad you are making reviews on the brunner products, all the ones I found are like 10 years old and recorded on the first iPhone lol. Thank you so much! Subscribed! ps: I left a message on another video, but if you ever have the chance to make a video on their MK II yoke...👀. though I understand if you can't, it is like another 800 bucks over the one you have lol. but it does have a farther travel and more force (3x as much!).

[@g-locmedia]

Thanks so much. I am very lucky to be able to review such exciting and amazing flight sim gear. Unfortunately there are no plans yet to review the MKII yoke. Maybe next year who knows!?

[@Jan-yj5mo]

I’ve been flying the da-42 a lot and I can say, that you’ll never get a snap on the pedals like that, just because you pull out one throttle or hard left/right aileron inputs. In case of engine failure you have to apply lots of opposite rudder.

[@g-locmedia]

How many hrs do you have in the DA42?

[@Jan-yj5mo]

@@g-locmedia been approximately 40hrs as part of my atpl training. 15 years ago

[@g-locmedia]

@@Jan-yj5mo that's cool. I've never flown I real life but I plan for an introductory flight this year. As far as the span on the pedals it's probably all in the software config. Unfortunately I no longer have the pedals as they went back to Brunner.

[@Jan-yj5mo]

@@g-locmedia sounds good, I’m sure that’s gonna be a great experience for you. :) and after your flight you will know, how important FFB is for flight sim!

[@remcosol]

It seems like autorudder is on in the game ?

[@dishdoggiegaming7254]

It would have to be a bit of a shock so it looked. I take my rudder pedals for granted like you say in the video my feet are on them but its a "use and forget them" because they do not have force feedback. I can't and DON'T want to fly without them but I never gave it a thought of just how much input they might make your mind think of in concentration as your flying after using non force feedback use and forget rudders. Nice Video.

[@g-locmedia]

Exactly that. They force me to work on keeping the plane co-ordinated and really highlight my poor rudder control. Having your feet connected to the plane is awesome.

[@coffeeguy6673]

Those look fantastic and must add loads to the immersion and gaming experience !! Just looked up the price after converting from Swiss francs...unless I've got it wrong, £1628 !! I need a lotto win for my perfect rig lol !! I've had some proper flying lessons in a Cessna 172 here at Leicester airport and the first thing I noticed is the resistance in the yoke and pedals , plus the vibration of the aircraft and then that sinking feeling when you take off, all of which you don't get in the sim, unless you've got all the bells n whistles, motion rigs etc !! Would love to have a go in your sim G-Loc !! Dream on Daz haha !!

[@g-locmedia]

They are a great addition just for immersion. I’m hoping more entry level FFB stuff will come in the future.

[@g-locmedia]

Do you have a PPL?

[@coffeeguy6673]

Unfortunately, no. I only live a few miles away from Leicester airport ( more like a small airfield ) and really got into MSFS 2020 last year. Fancied having a go for real but at £200 a lesson it was to be a treat. My instructor said he could tell I'd been using MSFS 2020 as I seemed to have a basic knowledge and picked up all that he taught me quickly! To get a PPL would cost around £7000. I was tempted but then wondered what could I actually do with it once I got it..not much apart from hire a Cessna at big expense and maybe fly a few friends to lunch on a sunny day. I'd love to but can't justify the cost sadly.

[@dan6131]

Great review 👍 looks like an awesome product. The main thing I’d be looking for with force feedback or motorised controls is that they work correctly when being trimmed. For example when trimming does the input pressure slowly reduce to zero so that when you remove your feet the pedals are in a new neutral position?

[@g-locmedia]

Yes it’s works with trim. Both the yoke and the rudders.

[@virgo47]

This must be something great - to feel the rudder pressure. Funny that you can get a racing wheel for 300 (including 3 pedals), and you can't get force-feedback pedals for planes anywhere near that price. Because the price is indeed crazy. Maybe justified, but not available for general sim population. Still look great.

[@g-locmedia]

The build quality of these Brunner products are around the same as the really high end racing sim gear so the price is comparable. But your right there are no I try level options.

[@leonpo]

I really like them too. The only complaint is lack of power switch

[@g-locmedia]

How long have you had them. Yea on my setup I have to make sure everything is switched off at the wall at night. Probably should be doing that anyway.

[@leonpo]

Have for three months already. have a setup that completely replicates C172 controls feeling - especially right rudder for takeoffs and climbs, stalls and steep turns

[@wingcommanderjetson5660]

Yay, thanks for getting them to test.

[@g-locmedia]

Hope you enjoyed the video. Keep an eye out for the full review where I’ll go a bit deeper.

[@zk9058]

Great review….can you do a setup video that includes configuring the software to work with the rudder pedals?

[@g-locmedia]

Thanks. It’s actually quite simple. It’s more or less plug and play. Just connect the rudder via the CAT5 cable and your hood to go. I do plan to do a full breakdown of the CLS2SIM software over the Xmas holiday though.

[@tedwaetford]

Jeez I just bought the yoke based on your last review - you gonna cost me $$$ again? :-) I find the hardware trim the most rewarding thing with the yoke. I can take or leave a lot of the effects, in VR they don't always blend with what's going on, so I have them toned down quite a bit - just personal preference. I find the effects can be a fine line between adding to or breaking the immersion with these controls. So when you review these pedals, I'd really like to hear how they help with 'normal flying'. eg counter-acting torque effect on take-off, coming in to land with heavy gusts (which is very easy to over-correct with non-ffb pedals). And losing an engine as you touched on. Great video as always.

[@g-locmedia]

Hopefully your enjoying the yoke. Yea sometimes less is more with these things. It’s a fine line but also personal preference. Can’t wait to get the full review video complete. Will be a cool vid.

[@Likes2fish-rk1kf]

My wife gave me the ok on purchasing these rudder pedals but I'm still on the fence about it. I have the yoke and don't regret a penny I spent on it. I commented on your yoke review video about turning the elevator and aileron down to 10% every time you fly for each plane but there is a master control in msfs 2020 and you only have to set it up one time which is great. I want the best realistic sim and this might complete it but the price is crazy for rudders. Great video like always. I have the MK ll yoke

[@g-locmedia]

Yea the price is up there. Sometime I think it depends where your sim is at. Could it benefit somewhere else with that sort of cash. I have to say though these are going to be the biggest miss when they go back to Brunner.

[@SIMRIG412]

@@g-locmedialike you can’t afford to own a pair and like they won’t give you a deal 😂

[@TheCrash1983]

are you going to do a video on the joystick base (CLS-E Force Feedback Flight Simulator Joystick) would love to see how to get it to work with directX gaame such as il2

[@g-locmedia]

Nothing in the cards at the moment. Although I’m not sure it works with il2 but it does with DCS.

[@julianhall2008]

I have the CLS-E NG yoke really pleased with that, the rudder pedals if they follow the same path will be great, however they are a great deal of money and remember not to forget import tax , my yoke had 288 euro on top of the asking price. plus 90 euro delivery. very deep pockets required unfortunately. Be interested how you get on. Regards.

[@g-locmedia]

Yea the yoke is fantastic. What country were you getting delivered too.

[@julianhall2008]

@@g-locmedia Hi France.

[@g-locmedia]

@@julianhall2008 I might highlight that in the full review video if your ok with me using you as an example?

[@hanskrohn]

Germany is the same - in fact, all EU counties. Unfortunately Switzerland is not EU

[@miket3445]

……if in neighbouring country….take a holiday there, buy it and drive home with it😀😀

[@777Thibs]

This looks like some fantastic gear.

[@g-locmedia]

It certainly is

[@Topper_Harley68]

Does they have their own software to adjust the ffb? I need these for DCS but my shopping list for upgrades are at 5k euro now. 😵‍💫

[@g-locmedia]

Yea they run in their own software but I haven’t tested with DCS.

[@KP-lt4kt]

Do you have to buy a software license to make the pedals work?

[@g-locmedia]

It's free for non commercial use

[@Isimus]

Looks amazing. Can it also replicate anti torque pedals for helicopters? Works well with DCS? Thanks!

[@g-locmedia]

I’m going to explore this in the full review in around 2-3 weeks time. I’m hoping it’s amazing with DCS.

[@Isimus]

@@g-locmedia looking forward to see it!

[@xiaoyuntao185]

@@g-locmedia The use effect of DCS is very general, and it must be connected to the base of CLS-E.

[@JCCFlying]

Hi, Another great video. How smooth are the rudder peddles ?

[@g-locmedia]

Very smooth and responsive. If you were to use your hands super gently you might be able to feel a very fine cogging effect but its so minor and barely notable at all. I think this is just the belt moving inside. Overall the best rudders I've ever used.

[@JCCFlying]

@@g-locmedia Thats great, adding to my list

[@avtomas]

could you do a review of the thrustmaster boeing yoke? and a question, did you record before your first video that i can see here?

[@g-locmedia]

If I can get a hold of one I certainly can. I have used one before and it’s pretty good. Not sure I understand your question.

[@avtomas]

@@g-locmedia like if the first video on your channel was your first ever, because you had a lot of components for recording

[@g-locmedia]

@@avtomas yea you can check back on the channel for that one. It’s not too pretty. Lol.

[@jayphi4095]

Compared with Thrustmaster TPR, even without the force feedback, but is it really necessary on the rudder? this one looks more compact and with much less external elements but at unreasonable price except perhaps for Swiss citizens…..Performances of TPR and its capabilities of wide adjustment as well as its (quite) reasonable price makes it a clear winner of a potential comparison.

[@g-locmedia]

Force feeback on the ruder really is incredible. At this point I don't know how I'm going to go back to non FFB rudders when I have to send these back to Brunner. I don't think the TPR's and Brunners are really supposed to compete with each other. They really serve different markets and both leaders in their own right.

[@AeroMaize]

My wife is going to regret me finding your channel.....I need to upgrade my plastic Thrustmasters like you had.

[@g-locmedia]

That’s a hell of an upgrade

[@AeroMaize]

@@g-locmedia if you only could upgrade one, which one would you choose? Just in case she budgets me🤣. The rudders or the CLS-E NG Yoke? Since you have both I am curious. I have the alpha yoke now and I’m happy.

[@larrysouthern5098]

Any body that seriously uses flight simulators for training ( not shoot em up games) should go for this.. Crosswinds and spins are the...heart stoppers and but clinchers of real world flying.. WHY NOT PRACTICE THIS UNTIL IT IS NO LONGER A PROBLEM..when you fly the real birds??? Great video! 👀

[@gehtdichnixan8086]

When you rudder paddels have a CAN-Bus, you know they are serious about it :D

[@SIMRIG412]

CAN-bus port means nothing 😂 tons of items have them and never use them!

[@beninkypoo1749]

Amazing video! Looking forward to the full review.

[@g-locmedia]

Thanks. Can't wait to start working on the full review.

[@vikingcat794]

I assume these aren't supported in DCS?

[@g-locmedia]

DCS is supported although it’s not a straight forward process like MSFS.

[@80derek]

It look great but the price is ridiculous unless I was building a full flight sim. I think most people will have to wait until the price drops.

[@g-locmedia]

I think cheaper options for FFB yokes are on the way from another company.

[@chrisandtukky]

Which company!?

[@g-locmedia]

@@chrisandtukky flitesim.com

[@KP-lt4kt]

Thanks for reply.

[@PhantomMark]

I don't remember it being this much effort last time I flew, and that was in heavy wind ???

[@g-locmedia]

Are you using the FFB pedals?

[@PhantomMark]

@@g-locmedia I am talking real life

[@g-locmedia]

Ahh. That's a good insight. I'll need to have a look at my settings and change it a little. Thanks for sharing.@@PhantomMark

[@PhantomMark]

@@g-locmedia I'm not a full on pilot btw, just the 1hr flying a Cesena 152 in bad weather lol, I was absorbing a lot in that 1hr so maybe I didn't notice it so much..

[@vikingcat794]

Maybe they'll actually fix their website so you can actually place an order.

[@g-locmedia]

What’s happening with it. I’ll try and reach out to them to let them know.

[@vikingcat794]

@@g-locmedia I was able to get around the issue by using my phone hotspot. Basically the "shop" site and "downloads" wont' load and they time out. Not sure what is causing it.

[@jmizzonini]

Definitely not worth the price tag! They’re taking advantage of their pricing power for the niche, which is fine. But I imagine a $500 set would sell a lot more , I really don’t know why TM or similar wouldn’t offer a higher tier control loading set of controls that targets the mid tier level. Akin to their belt driven wheels v the high end direct drive units. There’s just no choice out there for flight sim in this segment

[@g-locmedia]

You are right, there is no choice at the moment so in effect Brunner are leading the space. These aren’t mass produced either which feeds in to the price. As flight sim gets bigger I think you’ll find other brands jump in.

[@higinofonseca780]

Too much. I think that considering it is for home simulation the max anyone would pay without risking his marriage and get divorced is like 700 /800 € for a piece of top of the line kit (either ffb yokes or pedals). Either they have to outsource work in China for lowering the production cost or simply the market is still not ready for this.

[@g-locmedia]

Yea these are not mass produced and still very high and and niche. As the flight sim market grows though I think we’ll see new players in the FFB market.

[@thetraveller869]

1799 euros! I'll rush out immediately and have 2/3 sets - not. Ridiculous price for a home simulator...

[@airspro5666]

Ordered mine today , too much , yep , still did it anyway . Ha

[@g-locmedia]

Lol..they are brilliant

[@airspro5666]

Thumbs up , and subed too .

[@g-locmedia]

@@airspro5666 thanks mate. Glad your liking the videos

[@orleansjunky4074]

lol the cost lol

[@g-locmedia]

It is expensive, there’s no getting around that. It’s really targeted at the high end simmer.

[@dotnetdevni]

Id wish company just have removeable logos on things the geeen looks awful

[@sfsrocketengineer2492]

Damn, wish I was rich

[@g-locmedia]

I think this tech in the years to come might filter down to more entry level options.

[@sfsrocketengineer2492]

@g-locmedia it will become more common

[@g-locmedia]

@@sfsrocketengineer2492 100% it will. It’s too good to be ignored by the big mass market sim companies for much longer.

[@dealwolfstriked272]

Watch a person flying a flight sim and the plane onscreen never looks realistic. The end of the video shows for me the immersion by showing a more realistic look to whats onscreen. Without FFB and plane wanders about as you have no feel while at the end of this video it looks like your in a real cockpit.

[@regwatson2017]

So expensive they didn't even give him a complimentary review copy.😅 Soon simmers will find it cheaper just to buy a real plane.

[@lpburke86]

Buy one plane…. Or spend half the cost of a beat up 60 year old 152 and fly any plane….. also sim equipment doesn’t cost $100/hr to use. But as someone who actually flys a plane…. There’s a reason the brunner stuff is so expensive

[@g-locmedia]

It's a comment I get a lot but when you actually think about it and really lay the costs down it's no where near what owning a real plane would be, or even getting a PPL and renting one. In another sense, its not supposed to compete with owning or flying a real plane. They are both very much their own thing and a convenient crossover when it come to training.

[@edo_v2797]

2k for this shi? HELL NAH!

[@THESHADOW97139]

😳

[@g-locmedia]

Definitely not everyone's cup of tea considering the price tag. You do need to be a full on immersion junkie for something like this.

[@edo_v2797]

@@g-locmedia I could be a billionaire, and I still would not buy it. I could have infinite money, and I still would not buy it

[@leonpo]

for me, these pedals save lots for money in real airplane rental money @@edo_v2797

[@marcs1024]

@@edo_v2797cap

[@tonyf9076]

These are for a niche within a niche within a niche....

[@g-locmedia]

Lol. Yes they are quite NICHE. Lol

[@TheLebronOfCooking]

This thing could be very useful for vmc demo practice but for 2k I could get 3hrs of multi time, idk which one is more outrageously priced lol