INSANE Surron Ultra Bee Power Upgrades!!!

[@ajjax89]

Looking forward for you guys to test out the new Talaria Dragon vs the Ultra Bee

[@Talariaboys]

Same!

[@dreknows]

E Ride pro SS IS BEST FIR MONEY

[@dreknows]

Standard 72v Standard 5k

[@dreknows]

Can you list all upgrades and where buy?

[@dreknows]

​@Talariaboys can you post all items you upgraded that will fit my talaria

[@kmlaz3828]

Man, having an e-bike would be a dream, especially tweaking it bit by bit to make it cool. Damn, just the thought of cruising makes me feel alive.

[@Talariaboys]

Ya its a blast

[@HoweDUU]

Awesome video, glad you got to test the Torp 1000! Also glad the upgraded motor was not workable, the stock motor is more relatable. that Range is impressive as well, cant wait to see more content on the Ultra Bee

[@JRIPFPV]

My guess is you have a whole lot less voltage sag on the larger ultra battery.

[@MotoJB]

That's why....I have both! Built UB and LB. Best of both worlds.

[@Talariaboys]

That’s the way to do it

[@robertsilva5041]

Damn!!! Gapzilla on that last rolling pull😮😮😮😮. Outstanding 👍👍👍

[@denlog1177]

The Ultra Bee also has reverse and traction control vs a Sting R. For half the $$$ of a Stark Varg it is pretty good.

[@Talariaboys]

It’s really not a bad deal! Needs a 21 front wheel though

[@tiziwind]

Yeas but has 17 hp....the stark 80

[@jasper_of_puppets]

Ultra Bee and Varg are in entirely different categories though. Ultra Bee is a mid-sized trail bike, and the Varg is a full-on, full-sized motocross bike. For MX track riding, the Varg is unparalleled. You'd be spending well over the cost of the Varg in upgrades to get the Ultra Bee anywhere close to what the Varg is capable of, and it would still fall significantly short.

[@jimji2774]

Hey you young guys are pretty great and finally someone actually weighed these bikes as the claimed weights are often done on the moon. Just don't get in a hurry as people want to see how each component changes the bikes. In that vein I wish you had tried the torp controller on the stock battery first as most people are not going to upgrade that battery as it is over $5000 but just the controller is much more reasonable. I know its fun to see how fast you make these things but they are obviously not made for the drag strip and that much torque is going to be totally useless on the trail. The bigger Ultra will just fit bigger guys better. I will look forward to your ride video. Cheers !

[@Talariaboys]

We didn't have access to a stock battery to try it with.

[@Timbodacious]

so with the big battery with an output of 22kw labelled on the battery, and TRUE CONTROLLER AMP OUTPUT you're looking at like a realistically 300/350 amp true dc current controller. Phase amps are sort of a marketing gimmick for companies to make their bikes seem like they are putting out way more power. at peak output fully charged you might be getting 25 to 30 kw output for about 30 seconds until the controller throttles the output to protect the battery cells limitations.

[@VitorAlbuquerque-u7v]

so does that mean there should be a bigger battery for these more powerful motors to work?

[@Timbodacious]

@@VitorAlbuquerque-u7v No i am saying the controller is not actually putting out 22 kw. in phase amps it looks like the controller puts out alot of amps but it actually puts out half of that.

[@jarednunez9488]

Can you run the TC1000 on a stock ultra bee battery? I’m getting mine very soon. Do you recommend getting a new battery as well?

[@dansacco1964]

Lots of mention of the weight difference but isnt the utrabee also a near full size dirt bike compared to the talaria? Id happily take the weight difference for something that rides like adult sized trail bike.

[@matthis4313]

One reason explaining the gap could be the phase saturation of the stock talaria motor. It would be interesting to get a video recording of the controller apps to see how many amps and phase amps are actually pulled. You set 800 phase amps on the talaria but it might only take 600, hence the gap with the sur Ron which motor is bigger and can probably pull more phase amps!

[@Talariaboys]

We agree! Sadly the screen recordings on the apps do not show Phase amps pulled only KW pulled so we couldn’t compare as easily as that.

[@Timbodacious]

these controllers max out around 300/350 true dc amps so phase amps would be 700ish max

[@goingoutotheparty1]

That ultra bee has a sweet paint job, let's hear it for white rims 😜

[@Talariaboys]

Kevin has good taste!

[@Hunter_Heart]

This moded Ultra is what Talaria Dragon going to be. Hype!

[@Talariaboys]

Exactly!

[@Tazdeviloo7]

It's slightly larger dimension overall. 10 lbs heavier too. I think it'll be like how a Talaria is now vs a Light Bee. Modded light bee is better, but more expensive. If you're planning on keeping it stock, the Talaria is better.

[@jasper_of_puppets]

Talaria Dragon is ugly AF

[@TheAlfredoBrothers]

Congrats on hitting 10,000! That’s amazing!

[@robertmccaleb1400]

Love the blue paint okay but are boots are 8 inches so the motor better be a 16 inches or wheather damage out in the woods

[@brandonbajc2084]

Range test please!!

[@buckfiden2988]

Still totally satisfied with my modded MX3 for now. I still plan to buy a real E-Moto like the BHR one day though.

[@Talariaboys]

Nice! We are still very happy with our Stings and there’s only a few places we’d rather be on this.

[@maarkkkm]

Please do another video with the upgraded motor on the ultrabee, and it might be too much to ask but if you can compare the sotion motor to the ebmx motor on the ultra that would be incredible

[@Offthevoltz]

I’ve been sitting on the sotion ultra bee motor for over 3weeks unable to use it as well. They sent it with hall sensor. Then they sent me an encoder board but it’s meant to work with FarDriver. I’ll have to use after market battery and custom harness to use with controllers that have no mounting system for ultra bee.

[@tintin6291]

ebmx @@Offthevoltz

[@1917VIL]

Very nice video! Wish you would have added in some riding footage, but we'll look forward to that next. Anybody have a lightbee with an aftermarket (and longer) swingarm to test against the feel of the ultrabee?

[@Talariaboys]

Ya couldn’t fit anymore into this video but coming soon!

[@Mountainslayerz]

Now race one of the @ChargedCycleWorks Ultra Bee's! ;)

[@Blackhawkk13]

Can you get ahold of and review one of those new SS Pros?

[@Talariaboys]

We are trying!

[@TechLineHD]

If I lived in Utah (well, or anywhere in the US), I would hire you to upgrade my Sting R!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks! We love upgrading these bikes!

[@luchi767]

I KNEW THE ULTRA BEE WAS THE BIKE TO GET

[@Talariaboys]

its a beast!

[@Bengy22]

When riding the Ultra would you say the extra weight and size is really noticeable?

[@Talariaboys]

Yes compared to our Talarias but not as much as you’d think honestly

[@loganburwell_2001]

I think why the ultra is faster the the talaria even they both had the same settings is cuz the ultra bee motor can handle more then the talaria motor i think if you guys can find a way to put the sotion motor on the talaria i think they both will be a even match for each other

[@skibumm47]

What about the new Talaria Dragon?

[@Talariaboys]

It’s gonna be so sick!! But it’s not coming until atleast mid next year

[@Jayarea510]

Will you guys have an upgraded ultra bee motor on website soon ?

[@morenovanbuynder4947]

Hey i love your videos, i have a talaria mx3, could you make a video on how to setup the stock rear shock, i cant vind anything on how to set up the best preload and rebound for my weight

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for watching! you really just mess around with the preload and rebound nobs until it feels that best to you, those stock shocks really don't have a ton of adjustment so you end up just experimenting until you get what feels best to you!

[@travis8592]

can't wait for you guys to sell your stings for dragons so we can do a Ultra Bee vs Dragon...

[@Talariaboys]

We will definitely be testing the dragon but it will be a while before it comes out!

[@Sundeefan21]

Hi Talaria Boys do you think it would be a good decision too get a torp tc1000 and other upgrades and put it on a Ultra Bee straight away out of the box or do you think i should wait until i get used to the power first and then put some upgrades on?

[@Talariaboys]

I would recommend just getting used to it stock, its an amazing bike and has lots of power. If you find yourself wanting more you can always upgrade down the road!

[@troywalt4834]

Can you guys review the Eride pro S and eride Pro SS, this company is putting some shades on talaria and surron right now! Not sure about long term reliabilty and quality of components yet since it's so new.

[@Talariaboys]

We are trying!

[@theRCspot]

you guys know not much about electric motors. the "ratcheting" 😅 you had on the original motor is because its slotted and you literally feel the magnets aligning throughout the revolution of the rotor....the other motor was a slotless design, and therefore "feels" smoother. These things have zero to do with the motors quality.

[@paulhope3401]

AKA 'cogging'

[@Soeks77]

I hear on some poorly maintained bikes, a loud clanking sound when hard power is suddenly applied, what is that sound?

[@FarmerFpv]

The higher Amp hours make a big difference in the constant power and peak power it can put out. Swap the higher AH battery into the Talaria and you will see that the drag race will be the same but with the Talaria ahead of the Sur Ron. Amp hours give you more than just range it also gives you more constant and peak power to deliver to the controller and motor.

[@Talariaboys]

This is true to a certain extent however in this case both batteries are easily capable of the power we were asking them to do. More Ah doesn't always mean more power, some smaller battery cells are capable of much higher output than other larger cells. It really just depends but isn't what you mentioned in this case.

[@TrustedSilver1987]

It has a lot to do with how each bike is geared.

[@Kitenik]

Nice vid and awsome bikes. Are you running the ultra bee with the power upgrade on an original belt drive? thx and cheers.

[@Talariaboys]

Yep it’s the original belt

[@Kitenik]

Awsome, thx@@Talariaboys

[@igoyippy4skippy]

Can I just have you guys do my EBMX controller, motor, and Charged Cycle Works upgrade for me so I don't have to do it and you guys can test it out? I just don't have the time to get it done

[@Talariaboys]

If your local to us, send us an email at [e-mail] and we can discuss, We would need to charge for install and testing.

[@derekcook1000]

Phase amps has little to no affect on general speed, only torque. If you’re able to change line amps, that would be the difference

[@derekcook1000]

And is the gearing the exact same for both bikes?

[@Talariaboys]

We understand just have to state everything for the video, we do change line amps in the KW numbers during tests.

[@jacobclark89]

What is ets2 ? I think that the ets2 throttle has two hall sensors instead of one , I wonder if this throttle can only be used with the ultra bee🐝 ?

[@Ahkeem18]

You guys should do a top speed run on the upgraded surron

[@Talariaboys]

Yes we should!

[@PUGETSOUNDMOTORSPORTS]

PSM team & I are doing a XXX battery & TC testing 😮‍💨

[@Talariaboys]

Nice!!

[@youngboy4129]

Talaria Dragon 🐉 Vs. Surron Ultra Bee 🐝 NEXT

[@Talariaboys]

That will be a big video! We are so excited for the dragon!🐉

[@youngboy4129]

@@Talariaboys we r fanboys cant wait.

[@fabioatwelve]

cant wait to see you get a controller for the x3!

[@Talariaboys]

Coming sooner than you think 😏

[@fabioatwelve]

i know the 72v is sitting somewhere around there 😎 @@Talariaboys

[@watermelonaxe]

What about field weakening

[@christianwatkins8459]

I pushed 32kw throught a stomp ebox 2.0 with a sotion motor and x9000 did 85mph and weighed 198kg

[@bigred6220]

I love my ultra with the X9000 it’s got plenty of power with stock motor and stock batt!!!

[@RoyMajor]

What motor can we put in the sting r that will make it faster?

[@Talariaboys]

There is a motor coming from EBMX that will be top dog!

[@RoyMajor]

Oooooo do you know an estimated time frame ?!?!?

[@robertmccaleb1400]

I can’t wait until I see more about the Utra Bee because they came out with a newer version

[@robertmccaleb1400]

I am still really satisfied with this comparison so why would you not want a ultra bee

[@maxxin8050]

Sotion also makes a encoder version 🔥 gotta see all that power

[@HyperT9]

Range test will be great

[@Talariaboys]

Ya so far very impressed! 47 miles as mentioned!

[@Offthevoltz]

Did the traction control work?

[@Talariaboys]

We didn’t really get a chance to try yet and it may be one of the oem features that Torp hasn’t rolled out into this controller yet.

[@vijaykorvekar1009]

can you make a 100mph sotion motor ultra bee

[@JabbinJoel_Sc33p0]

1000 amps is nutty

[@Talariaboys]

I know it’s crazy!

[@ImawandererIroamaround]

Would love to see that range test!

[@bently1984]

the ultra bee is faster cuz it has a bigger motor,, would be my guess

[@Talariaboys]

Definitely could be why!

[@joshpointoh]

I kept wondering why, but that makes sense

[@TrustedSilver1987]

So if I just wanted to make my new stock ultra bee faster all I really need is a aftermarket controller?

[@Talariaboys]

Yes, it should give you more torque and 5-7 mph more top speed.

[@bayareadirtbiking249]

Thanks for the video. Where do you buy the battery?

[@Talariaboys]

Charged cycle works!! Code (talariaboys)

[@frankiejoey1268]

my buddy runs 33kw on his honda 450 e conversion

[@Talariaboys]

Nice!!

[@derandereandre3453]

Would you guys prefer the sotian motor or the Torp motor?

[@Talariaboys]

They are very very similar

[@derandereandre3453]

@@Talariaboys ant with the tc500 what’s your recommendation?

[@louietramposch4559]

He smoked it 🍀👽🚲🌬

[@johnbarker2966]

Was the gearing the same on both bikes

[@Talariaboys]

It wasn’t identical but was close!

[@josephgermain2003]

Shit I'll mount that older motor to my paddle boat and give it a face lift

[@tlh5677]

same gears ?..

[@Talariaboys]

Very similar actually

[@blkonblk17]

Good job guys, keep it up!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for watching!

[@StokedElectric]

Always making amazing videos! 🔥⚡️

[@Talariaboys]

Thank you 🙌

[@adampampalon3840]

Hey guys i've had my sting r for a while now. I went pretty hard in the hills yesterday and on my way home i popped a wheelie and just as i accelerated and got the front tire up i heard a really loud click sound. It sounded like i snapped something. I popped another wheelie and it didnt make that noise. Today i took my bike out again, popped a wheelie first thing CLICK it made that sound again like i snapped something. I popped another wheelie to see if it would do it again and it didnt. Any idea what this could be? Im gonna ride tomorrow again to see if it does it again but it really doesnt sound good when it happens

[@Talariaboys]

Dang thats nerve racking, I'm not sure what that could be, hopefully it doesn't keep happening, Id double check your front wheel axle and headset though as when you wheelie those will come unweighed and could be loose and make a sound upon landing.

[@adampampalon3840]

@@Talariaboys thanks so much for the reply. I rode today, popped wheelies all day long and it didnt make the noise once. Very very strange. I'll show up again in the comments if it comes back but yeah it was definetly an alarming sound. Thanks for the help regardless

[@adampampalon3840]

@@Talariaboys the sound came back! :( I sent you guys a dm on instagram but i cant send the video of the sound until you reply

[@phat56pat]

ARE YOU GUYS SPONSORED OR EXCLUSIVE WITH CHARGED?

[@Talariaboys]

We have a nice relationship with charged and do work together on some things as well as get a cut back when people use our discount code but we are not sponsored by them or exclusive.

[@TheBlackOzzy]

Guys, what about top speed on the Ultra Bee ? Is it more than 60mph ?

[@Talariaboys]

We need to test it but I’d imagine yes more than 60

[@hectorflores4204]

Great video

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks Hector!

[@Buffetology]

Its a bigger motor on the Ultra bee,,,,thats the difference. Talaria has a smaller motor.

[@Talariaboys]

I agree!

[@jdmphil]

What was the speed of this ???

[@Talariaboys]

We didn't check but probably about 65mph

[@backstop562]

the talaria is not into on lunacycle anywhere else to get it?

[@Talariaboys]

Check amped bikes

[@backstop562]

@@Talariaboys ok thank u very much

[@gurmukhbinning399]

Yes yes yes yes

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for watching

[@Razorcrew_Cole]

I razor runs at 22,000 Watts I'm building right now 😮

[@Byneca_SRX]

Looks sick

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@noahccabaccang3147]

I’m curious. Would you see a difference in power if I upgraded just the controller and motor w/ the stock ultra bee battery?

[@Talariaboys]

You can see an upgrade in power with an upgraded controller but an upgraded motor won’t do anything for you with a stock battery still. Maybe you can keep it from overheating longer but it’s definitely not worth the money in my opinion unless you’re planning to do a battery as well.

[@azizlife8674]

Am 6'3 ft can i fit on that bike? @ Talaria boys

[@Talariaboys]

Yes! Lance is 6'3 and Reed and Alex are both 6'1

[@alexpacker9360]

Yea dawg

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for watching

[@joeyeldrecht27]

More talaria stuff please

[@Talariaboys]

its coming!

[@SurRonBurgundy]

Why do u keep saying 72v???

[@Talariaboys]

Because it’s 72v

[@SurRonBurgundy]

@@Talariaboys is it not the EBMX 82v? Ultra bee comes with 72v stock.

[@andrewkitchens3917]

I just want the dragon with 50 kw and be done lol

[@Talariaboys]

Haha ya man! Although honestly 30kw is plenty!!!!

[@andrewkitchens3917]

@@Talariaboys it probably is but having the boost setting set to 50 kw would be sweet! At least for the nucular controller boost setting

[@Talariaboys]

Well take what we can get!

[@andrewkitchens3917]

@@Talariaboys have yall tried nucular controllers? I’m getting one ordered at the end of the month for the mx4. 12kw stock battery

[@Talariaboys]

We have been working on getting one but they told us it’s not quite ready for review yet but I just reached out again to check what’s up.

[@robertmccaleb1400]

Torp telaria! I’m in

[@kylesyx8432]

10,000 $ bike !!!

[@gerardalsitab]

yep that's what 10K$ feels like 😬

[@rays8307]

Vibration dampened on electric 😂😂

[@Nnnn-h4n]

The drag literally looked slower than stock

[@Talariaboys]

Lol

[@esteraczacharowska7651]

You gotta let surronster review this bike

[@Talariaboys]

He’s the man!

[@wyatt-n_dakota]

Second person to see this

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for watching!

[@wheelies4days547]

Can someone put a real rider on one of these

[@Talariaboys]

What type of riding do you want to see?

[@roddas26]

Anyone over 6 foot tall looks goofy on anything smaller than the ultrabee.

[@Talariaboys]

True! But they’re so fun!

[@roddas26]

@@Talariaboys only say that because it seems very rare to see a "big lad" on one. And at 6"2' and 240 feel like a light bee might be a bit to small for me? Cheers

[@roddas26]

@@Talariaboys only say that because it seems very rare to see a "big lad" on one. And at 6"2' and 240 feel like a light bee might be a bit to small for me? Cheers

[@jakeyarrito5245]

Just buy a stark VARG

[@Talariaboys]

Nahh

[@bottigliapazza2880]

The controller is cringe

[@Talariaboys]

Nahhh

[@ruffypoo]

Worst review video of 2023. Absolutely nothing fit or was tested. A true waste of time to watch

[@Talariaboys]

Thank you for your views and comment

[@TheZiumus]

@@Talariaboys Great video, keep it up, looking forward to the next one

[@kjm-ch7jc]

Sexist comment 'what's up guys' or is that a general term.

[@Talariaboys]

Just a general term… lots of people use it.

[@petebusch9069]

Not impressed with E bikes at all. Every single channel is constantly spending HUGE money trying to turn these things into motorcycle. How is this fun considering you can just go out and buy a real bike that does what you want. I don't get it.

[@Talariaboys]

You sir sound like you have never ridden one.