$12,000 Surron VS $12,000 Talaria // Fully Built, Which Bike Is Better?

[@gregorypatzelt6964]

That talaria is the nicest and most modified I've seen.

[@seivaDsugnA]

How do you clean off all the drool?

[@dylanlane6837]

The vids are getting better and better - dialogue and editing were great in this video!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@buckfiden2988]

Soon as the aftermarket catches up on the Sting it will be king.

[@Barefoot-Bob]

Seems to me you weren't exactly fair with the Surron , those enduro tires are not going to cut it, where is the Surron 72v upgrade with the asi 8000 controller? But, when you boil it all down, my next bike is going to be a pro ss.

[@KinGCentipede7]

Pro SS with a bettery upgrade will be the best

[@dougnoble8720]

I run 17 kw tune with gates belt. No issues and quiet with right chain and lube. My friend bought there son a Talaria. I swear it is heavier then my modded Sur Ron with 85 forks. It is harder to put in motorcycle stand. I will end up with one most likely and mod it. But next year. Have my sons and mine both fully modded. Just did 33 mile ride in hills yesterday

[@krakenscooter]

You should try XL Kit for Sur-ron. It makes the bike a bit longer, higher and stiffer and adds new filling for the riding, especially for the tall riders.

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for the info!

[@edgygli9876]

Outstanding review. Your assessments are spot on. How about a review on the stock regenerative braking differences between the two models? Thanks for your hard work in making these videos.

[@ClintonOShea-n3o]

Just got my first Talaria Sting R!!! You, along with Sur Ronster is what pushed mt towards a Talaria rather than a Sur-Ron. Thank you guys for your amazing reviews, I will always be happy to support you guys!!!

[@hustlasstory7611]

Ronster doesn't fk with talaria lol

[@100weebs]

@@hustlasstory7611he reviewed em. Stock theyre better in all ways lol

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@Ride4life311]

@@hustlasstory7611what are you talking about…? You might want to check out his videos bud! He’s all about the Talaria now!🤣🤣🤣🫵

[@SheldonMitchell-q8e]

That is the coolest looking SUR RON I have ever seen! 😁Great video guys, a lot of good information to be considered.

[@Talariaboys]

Your the man Sheldon!

[@TechLineHD]

Awesome video! Keep the content coming! BTW, I think that all of you can talk in front of camera, sort of 1 guy talks about 1 part of the bike, another about other parts etc., just a random suggestion, your content is great!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@julyman9]

Awesome content guys ! You are lucky to live close to mountains ! I was on the fence in what I wanted but it’s pretty clear my next bike will be the talaria mx4 R

[@barryhallsack8852]

Thanks for the cool content keep up the hard work!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks, will do!

[@jacobsinclair6119]

Ya'll are blowing up man.. so much so that session 73 mentioned yall the other day on a video

[@vasperknight]

Nice! 60v Vs 72v is normally a big difference

[@calvin3448]

it is if you tune it to be

[@HB92647]

Great video. It looks like you guys took the dirty bike seat risers off. Can I ask why? I was just about to buy it because of your video. I’m 6’2.

[@Talariaboys]

Yes we did, we didn’t love it for the tight single track trails. It kinda made the bike feel awkward. He went with a peg lower kit instead. It was great for road and for easier cruising around tho.

[@ChrisCrossingWires1212]

My question is when will they both start selling just the frame since obviously nothing else on the bike is worth keeping if you have to replace everything to make them worthy why not just get frame and wheels oh wait I just heard you say something about the wheels so I guess the rims need to go too

[@Talariaboys]

Haha I want to do a build where we start with a frame but there are actually so many internal parts it would be hard to get them all. Also you would pick a surron or talaria frame depending on if you want a belt drive or a gear box

[@tylersnorek3825]

How were you able to get that big of a rear tire to fit on the sting? Been having a hard time finding the right motocross tire for my Sting R

[@Talariaboys]

It fits with a 18in after market wheel. Here is the video on that! m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX_UimuvmKinfKs

[@admitjet]

Fantastic comparison between the $12,000 Surron and Talaria! It's amazing how far e-bikes have come. But, have you guys checked out the 2023 AdmitJet Armor? This beast reaches speeds of up to 80 MPH and has a 100-mile range! Even better, it costs less than $4000. I think it'd be an awesome contender in your lineup. Maybe worth a review in the future? 👀🚴‍♂⚡

[@bendaaa69]

thats a full size dirtbike.

[@tintin6291]

where surron has talaria beat is that you can keep going with the surron in terms of mods. the talalria stops at some point. both good units when fully upgraded

[@Talariaboys]

at the moment there are only a few things the surron can get that the talaria can't. what parts are you thinking of?

[@tintin6291]

@@Talariaboys it really depends on what your after. One major thing about the talaria is the seat which is my main conplaint on the light bee. You have many solutions to that like the 4m kit or the luna seat and many more subframe options. Theres also the swingarm which does make the bike more stable with higher power. Wether it be the ebmx or the ko swingarm. Idk if it will fit on the talaria but you also have access to the ebmx moto rear shock on the lightbee. Like i said both are good units when fully upgraded but with the light bee you can go the distance in terms of mods I guess i do like the gear box but only after putting the x9000 on the talaria. Bike is sooo much better with that controller.

[@thomasnappo6309]

12,000 FOR AN E..BIKE IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS..😢

[@HamptonFPV]

Beats $12000 for an Mtn Bike which is also becoming a thing now

[@Talariaboys]

It is ridiculous!

[@SheldonMitchell-q8e]

I agree! it’s absolutely ridiculous, I have more money into my E bike then I do my KTM 350, but I ride the E Bike 100 to 1 over the KTM, I’m having an absolute blast on it, you kinda have to look at it as a hobby, I really expensive one!

[@HamptonFPV]

@@SheldonMitchell-q8e 100%

[@Taboloncawonthemasters]

Yea haha I could get 4 dirt bikes that beat these in performance all day long… and the best part… when they get low on juice they don’t cut your performance. When they are out of juice you can do this crazy thing called open the tank and dump more in and be fully juiced up in less then 1 minute and right back at it. No waiting 4-6 hours for charging to ride again!

[@StokedElectric]

The gears lookin good! Love the video! 🤘🔥

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for sending it out!

[@josephbellomo3876]

Great video. Im in the process of buying a e-bike! You anwsered all my questions. Thank you sir!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for watching!

[@EmotoOregon]

I have basically the same talaria, but I have a 17 rear with a 4.5 wide tire and 21 front. Went with a built fast ace as my buddies dorado doesn't seem worth the money. Love the nano with a 72v battery.

[@Buffetology]

That KO controller is trash, had it on my bike. Worst aftermarket controller you can install. Stunters are racers avoid that KO like the plague. I wish I went with what they ride.. Great video

[@Talariaboys]

Yes we aren’t loving it. X-9000 video coming soon!

[@Buffetology]

@@Talariaboys Cool. All the stunters, big senders and racers using the BAC controllers cause of the buttery power delivery.

[@Woodey7]

I love it it runs so smooth

[@Woodey7]

Pure stunter

[@twyych]

What light do you have on your Sting? Do you like it?

[@Talariaboys]

We bought it on AliExpress and had to fabricate our own mount and wire it all up. It was a huge pain but it works pretty good. The Gritshift blinder is almost just as good tho for only 50 bucks plug and play.

[@Ukmongoose3]

I’m just about to either buy a fully kitted Talaria or upgrade my Surron to 72v. Then I am moving to Scotland so’s I can ride it all the time.

[@Talariaboys]

Cool! What one are you leaning towards

[@Ukmongoose3]

@@Talariaboys Its a tough call, but I think I will upgrade the Surron as I like the low slung feel of it. I would have both, but then that would be too much choice in the garage. The Talaria has the gearbox, a very logical piece of engineering and this tempts me too.

[@johnhancock1855]

Great video.

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@skibumm47]

What do you guys know about the Time ET?😢 84 volt...

[@MARLEYMATRIX]

Where can Ifind the light you used on the sting R?

[@j2r7]

Somehow the weight of the UPGRADED surron was not even mentioned. The whole premise of the video felt like a excuses for why the talaria should not be fat shamed. 😂

[@Talariaboys]

Maybe somehow you didn’t listen to the whole video? Mentioned the upgraded weight as 150 lbs right after we mention the Talaria weight.

[@Drmapss101]

Epic video!!❤🎉

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@jeffmcclain]

This is the PERFECT review I was looking at. I had almost just decided to get a Talaria, but then was pretty sure I was going to put EBMX 9000 and 72V battery on it and then I was like, well, ok, now which is better if I'm basically doubling the investment after some necessary upgrades...Just getting through this, but I'm a 45+ year veteran dirt biker that loves my 29" mountain bike too...and at 6 foot, not sure if I would be happy on one of these e-Moto or wishing for the KTM freeride size more...the fact I can/do ride a lot of mountain bikes made me think would be good with one of these...but at $11k, the KTM rivals what a fully built Sting or LBX would be...

[@Talariaboys]

Talaria is my choice but either one would be a blast for you!

[@lboughto]

I have the Segway (Surron) mod $14,000 and Stock KTM Freeride E-XC. I can tell you the KTM is superior in every way. Its my go to everytime. The Segway was good for flying under the radar but not anymore everyone knows what they are now. I highly recommend the KTM! Still waiting on my Stark Varg.

[@tannerpeterson6214]

Does the Bac 8000 fit on a 2022 talaria sting, and can you tune the Bac 8000 down so it does not have so much torque? I want the APT display in the kit sold by charged cycle works, but everyone says the Bac 8000 has too much torque.

[@aliveandelectrified]

It fits. I can't speak on the APT, but I have the GLE. I can tune it all the way down to gutless and it really extends the range significantly. If you don't want that much torque, they carry the BAC4k with half the phase amps (torque) of the 8k.

[@Buffetology]

The GLE BAC8000 is what I went with. KO is trash and I removed it. Super buttery to tune with the GLE app or Egg rider.

[@GorillaSmokeUSA]

I’m rolling with a Talaria! Still might get the ultra bee in a month after rolling on the Talaria a bit.

[@Talariaboys]

Good to hear! The ultra bee it such a good bike too!

[@Tylermays1234]

So sick!!!

[@robertmccaleb1400]

I’m a skilled trade a welder I have done custom work but lack the equipment for my shop because I build ebike only and street

[@hectorflores4204]

Nice video

[@toddcragun9656]

For a Stock MX4 what size chain and Sprocket should would you suggest?

[@Talariaboys]

I would say a 48 tooth sprocket is best but a 52 tooth has a little more torque. I wouldn’t go bigger than 52 with a stock controller. 108 link chain for 48. 110 link for a 52. Head over to charged cycle works and use our discount code (TalariaBoys)

[@toddcragun9656]

Thanks guys appreciate the help. What part of Utah are you located in? Maybe we could go on a ride sometime.@@Talariaboys

[@DanVanLife]

🔥 video i love my mx4!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@ryanbraccialini888]

Lance, what is that rear tire you're running? Do you like it? Where did you get it? Thanks

[@Talariaboys]

18 inch Dunlop Mx33 90/100/18 go it from charged cycle works, discount code (talariaboys) You also need an 18 inch wheel to run it of course

[@SurFrankenRon]

I just want to know what the thing is that's strapped to the battery cover on the surron

[@Talariaboys]

It is a phone and tool holder

[@davin898]

Surron on top

[@Talariaboys]

Talaria on top

[@jackdavis4735]

surrons are slow. saw some dude at a red light yesterday and absolutely gapped him. (both stock) .

[@Overmotor]

I personally have to disagree with your looks point, I prefer the SurRon look but I can see where (especially when running big power) sealed transmission is going to perform better. I have a chain drive on my SurRon though and it has yet to let me down though so i guess only time will tell. (Also I like the ability to quick and easily fix the transmission when it's dry

[@Talariaboys]

Ya it’s just personal preference, we just feel the Surron doesn’t look quite finished. The talaria looks way more refined.

[@dreknows]

I want buy the Dragon or New Surron storm full size

[@BigmanHaus]

Talaria Boys VS Sur Ronster Let the let the YT battle begin!!

[@Talariaboys]

You got that right!

[@ch40440]

What headlight is that on the Talaria?

[@Talariaboys]

Its a 5 inch light pod from china custom wired in

[@paper9570]

Where did you get the battery from for the talaria, does it need a lid extender?

[@Talariaboys]

It’s the same 72v 42 ah and it doesn’t need a lid extender. It fits really well.

[@theSCARB]

Why is the light weight of the Surron a negative? It makes it more nimble

[@Talariaboys]

It’s not a negative, we would all rather have the slightly heavier talaria sting. It’s just personal preference

[@theSCARB]

@@Talariaboys oh. For street riders like me and surronster, lighter is usually better

[@dreknows]

That Talaria looks siiiick i want mine look like it can you help me

[@DonRayec]

Me thinking if i should get a surron or talaria even though i dont have money for either

[@exploringbc431]

Any thoughts on the upcoming big block from KO?

[@Talariaboys]

I haven’t heard much about it but I’m sure it will be amazing

[@stuwest3653]

Motoped. $3k. 60 mph 115 LBS. and no range limitations. Only caveat is it goes braaap.

[@syncbox]

Way less hp

[@guyrandom6151]

when i look on their website the 45 nm torque of the talaria vs the 250 nm of torque seems like a big difference to me so big in fact it must be wrong

[@Talariaboys]

🤷

[@Turbo_JAM]

What’s the light on the Talaria? Thanks

[@Talariaboys]

Its a custom light pod from china that we wired in

[@Crohniac]

idk why everyone hates weight with these bikes, talaria is beefy and the extra weight is a plus for me

[@zero-ol2nt]

How did you get your talaria r battery case to sit lower with that 72v battery?

[@Talariaboys]

It’s a 42 ah battery. It fits without changing anything

[@Saneka999_]

please do this again with a modded rawrr mantis. and anyone that has any recommendations let me know. looking for torque, top speed, range, ability offroad, and how it feels cruising on roads and wheelie feel. just test rode a stock 72v rawrr mantis the new one and i loved it coming from dirtbikes on and offroad stunting and hard riding. price does not matter what should i look at for a bike that will be the best choice over the next 5 years. is the mantis not gonna have the same aftermarket support? are they looked at as worse in the e bike community? thanks for any info. as in depth as you can make it

[@Talariaboys]

We have never seen a modded Rawrr Mantis online or in person... There is not very much aftermarket support currently and probably wont be much change because it just isn't near as popular as Talaria or Surron. At this point you can upgrade suspension, brakes, handlebars/stem/ and maybe a few other things but thats really all we know of.

[@Saneka999_]

@@Talariaboys saving up for talaria sting r but might get an e ride pro sr when it comes out idk yet sting r seems like my top pick now

[@TheTermoj]

which motorcycle is less noisy?

[@SnoozeyzZz]

At those prices just buy a stark varg and call it a day ;)

[@Talariaboys]

Wait you might be on to something

[@paulcherry474]

I had 1 . 20 mile range and had to push it to finish 2 Enduros . I Got rid of it it was on the charger most of the time. Total junk I sold it and got the best bike ever . A KTM 250 . short rides only around the neighborhood.

[@jperalta0000]

What display you have on the talaria sting r?

[@Talariaboys]

Just the stock display

[@Etienne85]

The only thing I'm missing, is extra weight impact on range. Given both bikes were equally upgraded this would have been great to address range difference especially for electric bike. Other than that I agree frame feels studier, bike looks much better, ...

[@Talariaboys]

Yea range wouldn’t be affected a ton but we should have mentioned that.

[@Etienne85]

@@Talariaboys Would be great point for Talaria if confirmed.

[@shandhardy3525]

What’s a guy gotta do to get out on a ride with you guys?? I’m in Utah and have a sting and ultra bee! I need people to ride with.

[@Talariaboys]

Email us @[e-mail]

[@lilvegasbasc-se7en-0-duece67]

I would love to see a LBX build for the fat guys. There is alot of out here that love to ride. (I say LBX because alot of us are also short and round so we need that lower seat height.)

[@jaymkmx]

i wouldnt say the surron is fully built but they are both great bikes just the surron has a few more aftermarket options

[@robertmccaleb1400]

That’s the black bike I want to get my hands on

[@miguel360kmc]

Did you take the seat riser kit off?? Why?

[@Talariaboys]

The bike felt kinda too heavy so I went with the peg lowers from warp 9 instead

[@miguel360kmc]

@@Talariaboys you mean to wheelie right? Cause the dirtybike seat riser kit is about as heavy as a set of handlebars if that. I have both the dirtybike seat kit and peg lowering kit the combo works great with a gritshift direct stem mount I would like my bars to be a tiny bit higher would make holding the front up easier have stock bars some riser bars should do the trick, but as is I have no issues getting it up. Also I'm 5'10 225lbs didn't really need the riser kit but it makes the bike feel bigger for me. More comfortable on longer rides as well

[@Talariaboys]

Sorry @miguel360kmc that was a typo Alex made haha. What he meant to say was that we felt it really changed how it cornered when sitting down, it made the bike feel too top heavy and like it would slide out from under you easy so even though I’m 6’3 I didn’t love it. If I was a couple inches taller I’m sure I’d be forced to use it!

[@miguel360kmc]

@@Talariaboys ooo that makes sense I felt that aswell carving some corners. it took some getting use to and yes I did slide out a few times but some adjustments in the way I shifted my weight I was good to go. Have to scoot closer to the battery kind of like lean forward and in

[@cannibalgaming1714]

Is this bikes legal in the UK or need licence?

[@Talariaboys]

Idk

[@jordanslone88]

Do you boys got a link for that seat on the talaria? My ass hurts from the stock lol

[@Talariaboys]

motoseat.com/c46-e-bike It’s just a seat cover. I would recommend not getting the accent ribs because it makes it even more uncomfortable

[@jamessmith8155]

Put on a bit of weight so you have an ass to sit on lol, ive had no issues with the seat, it's fine.

[@jordanslone88]

@@jamessmith8155 Lol bro im 210

[@jamessmith8155]

@@jordanslone88 I'm just shy of 200 so loose those few pounds and you should be golden lol

[@robertmccaleb1400]

I’m waiting on the new mx4

[@robertmccaleb1400]

I want mileage nice thank you very much for what you guys tought me wow guys

[@TalariaStunts]

Y'all would probably benefit from making ur own merch if u wanted to

[@Talariaboys]

Dropping soon🤫

[@TalariaStunts]

@@Talariaboys hell yeah I'd rep talaria boys fosho

[@EyaPad]

For that much money you can buy a street legal ZERO FX/FXE with 35kW motor, 7.2kWh 100V battery, 85mph top speed and can carry 2 people. You paid $12000 and you have a Chinese bicycle. Good job.

[@Talariaboys]

You obviously don't get it. That Zero cannot do what we want our bikes to do. These are built for the riding we like to do.

[@saskwotch19764]

Rather than $12,000 for the bike plus mods why not just buy an Ultra Bee, change the rear wheel, tyres and remove some bodywork. Wouldn’t that be a lot like a factory version of what you have there? 🤔 Would actually be awesome to see an Ultra Bee with 16/19” wheels - haven’t seen it yet!

[@Talariaboys]

We want these smaller lighter bikes for the type of riding we do. A stock ultrabee is 187lbs and with bigger wheels and tires your 195 my fully built talaria is 30lbs lighter.

[@stevebonnici8472]

Good video, expensive though

[@robertmccaleb1400]

Jessus loves us

[@Taboloncawonthemasters]

What about how the talaria cuts/reduced power SOOOOO much more early then the surron??? Why does it? And are you able to tune that out with a upgraded controller?? Or cut it off somehow?

[@Talariaboys]

Don't believe everything you hear, I'd imagine your referencing the Surronster video where he says the Sting R has horrible battery sag? It's been confirmed by him that his bike had an issue and that was not normal. All our bikes have the least amount of battery sag of any bike we have ever tested!

[@slayerficated]

Yo I can't believe that. Ronster just got a respect -@@Talariaboys

[@Steve-tj6je]

I think Sheldon deserves a nice big box of OMAHA STEAKS for being so kind as to let you give his Surron some Rocky Mountain pinstripes.

[@MrLew1965]

Endless Money Pits !! I love the channel and all the electronic mods BUT for $12500 USD you can buy a real nice dirt bike that would smoke those scooters ?

[@Talariaboys]

It’s a whole different ball game man, we build and ride these bikes because they are so different from full sized gas dirt bikes, if your rode one you would be blown away and realize why people spend the money.

[@MrLew1965]

Your preaching to the choir dude ! I have 4 bikes, 3 gas 1 Electric but never as small as what's illustrated on your channel...l ? That's why you have my Subs and so many likes //It's very unique and love the content !!

[@Emilis_media]

conclusion just buy a stark varg

[@robertmccaleb1400]

Yes if you need anything please just ask okay

[@Faddedpigeon7]

Meat riding talaria ngl

[@manamanacar123]

SHOCKER, "THE TALARIA BOYS" choose the Talaria as a better bike 😂😅😂😅😂. I wonder what the SURRON BOYS WOULD'VE CHOSEN.

[@Talariaboys]

They would choose a talaria because it’s better🤷 jk they are both great

[@SplendidNinja]

Wish i could get the surron registered as a motorcycle 😭😭

[@wilhelm117]

I can't believe Sur ron has not dropped the price yet, ripping off their customers

[@SilverPony44]

Make those things run on nuclear fusion!!!!

[@tomthomas9910]

It's rad" but life of green " hmmm KTM 300XC or yamadog" 450 Enduro braaap" & a pit bike for dat and have some left for SMacDonald's

[@SkyLee-ng1fp]

We are the manufacturer for middle and high end Electric Bikes.

[@Nobodyatall00]

Sting r 4 the win

[@dreknows]

Its cheaper now but still a lot

[@xtman693]

Why not just buy a KTM for that kind of money? I don’t get the whole electric thing. Less range and long recharge times.

[@Talariaboys]

We couldnt do and wouldnt be allowed to do the kind of riding we do on a ktm

[@xtman693]

@@Talariaboys You mean riding electric motorcycles on public roads and highways without a plate or insurance? I see that constantly. They should be treated the same as dirt bikes are. If my dirt bike can’t be ridden on a Public road then neither should an electric moto.

[@Talariaboys]

Sounds like your sad you don’t have an e moto 🫡

[@xtman693]

@@Talariaboys Not in the least. I can go 120 miles and fill up in less than five minutes and do it again. No electric bike can do that. I’m just pointing out that they should be treated the same as dirt bikes. No road riding unless it’s plated.

[@jgarman6443]

Riding in shorts LOL😂

[@RCKStudio23]

bice

[@PistonHipsRick]

So I have to buy a 5000$ bike and when I get It have to spend another 6k on decent parts cause the bike actually sucks that’s crazy 😂

[@Talariaboys]

The stock bikes really don't suck and are a ton of fun but yes you can upgrade them to make them better just like anything in life.

[@olafschermann1592]

12.000 for a mountain bike? Take 12.900 and get a 80HP stark varg !

[@Talariaboys]

You my friend don't understand why people ride these bikes. If you think this is a mountain bike you obviously haven't ridden one.

[@olafschermann1592]

@@Talariaboys I do! Flying under the radar and look like an e-bike is what makes me liking Talaria more than a big bike. Better 6kw fun twice a week in the neighborhood than 50kw twice a year on a place far away where nobody kills you. Here in EU a mountainbike is limited to 250W and only powered as long as you are pedaling - boring!

[@gavinperdue6208]

how much money did they pay you 😂😂

[@Talariaboys]

What about this video makes you think anyone paid us?

[@samtech79]

I killed a swingarm...

[@briancc2100]

Did I read it right 12,000 dollar, neither are worth 12,000 dollars ever

[@Talariaboys]

Yes they are

[@fcalin21]

Just buy the Arctic Leopard.

[@Talariaboys]

that is a good option

[@tomhorn5629]

CZEM Drill One Evo is better for less $

[@barryhallsack8852]

Cool bike never heard of that one just looked it up. Pretty expensive though I don't think I can justify spending that much on an e-bike. My brand new KTM 300xc was around the same price 😂. But if I was going to go all out modifying my talaria, I would probably choose that bike instead.

[@tomhorn5629]

@@barryhallsack8852 Stark Varg is the nicest e-bike.