Insane VRMs for Next-Gen CPUs - Asrock X870 & Z890 (Zen 5 & Arrow Lake)

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Insane VRMs for Next-Gen CPUs - Asrock X870 and Z890
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[@Atilolzz]

So insane, Steve's head grew larger

[@nairbas392]

It must be all the new motherboard knowledge

[@B_Machine]

It's due to VRM enhancements.

[@RobBCactive]

No, they blew his non-Japanese capacitors!

[@ace100hyper3]

That's his mind-blown face...

[@AndrasMihalyi]

because he's living constantly upside down. Everyone knows that...

[@dangerwr]

It's actually really nice to see a board vendor make toned down models of their high end boards. As you said, all the features with no fluff.

[@bryndaldwyre3099]

This is why the past 15 years I've been going with AsRock mobos. They're really decent when it comes to features without giving up a kidney.

[@VincentDangerWater]

And the fact that they all still look gorgeous.

[@Guwapo77]

That Tim cameo was rather epic!

[@danogier5969]

😆

[@Alexandra-Rex]

Hardware Unboxed visiting Asrock. What a time to be alive!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Haha we did the same last year ;)

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@Hardwareunboxed It's still cool 😊

[@iamperplexed4695]

You gotta shill who pays the bills. It's basically KZbin gospel at this point.

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@iamperplexed4695 They're there to look at new hardware, and Asrock has it. What's shill about that?

[@jonessii]

@@iamperplexed4695 you have no idea what shilling means, do you?

[@Haistroff]

hoping to see "thanks Steve back to you Steve" this year!

[@al3nmicl]

The council of Steves

[@GewelReal]

The Stevening

[@joeyt7978]

7:40 guy is happy as hell to be surrounded by tech, love it

[@XenoLoop]

😁👌

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Wait, didnt asrock ban you from review samples? Im surprised their exhibitors didnt chase you off their space 🤣💀

[@Hardwareunboxed]

We've been good with them for over a year now :) they decided we were cool again 😎

[@sammiller6631]

Did EK Cooling get chased off their space? Is anyone going to interview them or are they hiding from their drama?

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

@@sammiller6631 Asking the real question with this one 🗣️

[@Rogerkonijntje]

@@Hardwareunboxed you always was cool monitor Steve

[@sammiller6631]

@@Rogerkonijntje I miss Monitor Steve, :(

[@TheHighborn]

27x110A that'd power a dual socket epyc system lmfao

[@LiLBitsDK]

well Intel is the new furnace/volcano/sun... so I guess we can expect the new chips to use even more power...

[@TTL_Tsaki]

@@LiLBitsDKThis config was for the AMD boards... Intel had a 31*110A config. What a waste of powerstages though. You can power entire server racks with these many Amps and they are wasting them on some 9950X that can be powered by 1/3 of this VRM with absolutely no problem...

[@benjaminlynch9958]

@@LiLBitsDKgenerally yes, but supposedly Intel’s next Gen Arrow Lake CPU’s are being made at TSMC and should have the same power/thermal characteristics as AMD chips.

[@TheHighborn]

@@benjaminlynch9958 you're joking, right? they're completely different architectures. How could they be similar. the biggest glaring difference is one is chaplet other is not.

[@haukionkannel]

Maybe push power to gpu at the same time without any cables! 😂

[@NajiSibin]

5:40 aah the time has finally come full USB C

[@GewelReal]

Slowly but surely

[@Navi_Silver]

The thing is I don't have any utility of USB c for now on a pc. When it happens, USB-A to USB-C

[@THU31]

Who wants 10 USB-C ports in a desktop PC? 😂 I hate using USB headers. They act like USB extenders. It's fine for most devices that don't need cables, but I've had issues with keyboards/mice/DACs/microphones when connecting them to anything other than native ports on the back panel. Besides, I don't want to fill up the expansion ports with USB headers.

[@trignite]

@@THU31 I agree that its too much now.. but people ARE moving to USB-C slowly. My next wireless mouse will have to be one with a USB-C charging cable+receiver. Same with my wireless keyboard. We already see Controllers like the Dualsense using it. Its time motherboard manufacturers started pushing for it more so we can finally get rid of clunky old USB-A.

[@stillmoms]

USB-C is a worse ecosystem but a way better connector; it’d be nice if the proliferation of higher speed ports and more of them leads to USB-A finally bowing out. It’s been nearly 30 years since it debuted, it’s clunky and non-bidirectional, takes up more space no matter where it’s deployed…

[@peternicol3439]

Steve with Motherboards with HIS reputation, what were they thinking :🧐

[@a120068020]

I was very, very drunk 😂

[@WayStedYou]

27 110 amps for AM5 is crazy they could cut it in half and still power any chip that is coming out

[@jayvee8502]

Yeah. Total waste of VRMs.

[@guyfawkes8873]

Yea it’s beyond silly… I’d almost rather have the shitty doubled four phase designs back if that means pricing would come down to ‘normal’

[@guyfawkes8873]

2990 amps, approx 3500W at normal voltages. Assuming the chips can operate at around 30% without any type of cooling, that’s 1100W… with the max power consumption in the CPU range likely to be 230W… So actually you could cut it into a four and probably have no issue. Without heatsinks on the mosfets.

[@jayvee8502]

@@guyfawkes8873 Maybe Zen6 will have a 32core top end CPU. Could AMD have already told board makers to future proof the VRMs because Zen6 will have these amount of cores?

[@TTL_Tsaki]

@@jayvee8502 Man, they can put out a 64core chip that requires LN2 to work and the 27*110A VRM would STILL be overkill.

[@Maxime-ho9iv]

That Taichi Lite is market research done well. This is EXACTLY what I would buy.

[@XxAtomic646xX]

Yupp I bought a b650e taichi lite and its specs are ridiculous for the price.

[@Tithulta1]

@@XxAtomic646xX That was my plan, but now im not sure if i should wait for the newer one lol

[@seamon9732]

VRMs a few years ago: Underpowered. VRMs today: Overpowered. Let's hope in a few years they hit a healthy middle ground...

[@XxAtomic646xX]

nah, keep them overpowered. cant hurt

[@gorjy9610]

They'll just skip half of needed phases on mid-low end boards and make it even in the end.

[@pseudonym5872]

They are simply re-introducing a similar trend from a long while back where several companies had ridiculous VRM phases. They aren't needed for anyone using standard air or liquid cooling (whether AIO or custom loop), but they might be helpful with competitive overclocking using liquid nitrogen or something. Mostly bragging rights at this point...

[@Alexandra-Rex]

Very cool to have Steve and Tim traveling and show us stuff!

[@dgraves14]

Those are indeed some insane VRMs. Excited to see more X870E boards.

[@ab2aasd]

Very underrated feature is that EZ Release lever for the PCIE slots. Don't have to worry about accidentally driving something through your $300 board while trying to unlatch your gpu

[@chads7796]

FYI I use a chopstick to release the latch/GPU and it works well. PCIE slots are a hazard on current boards with these largeASS GPUS. Sometimes you can't even get a finger in there in smaller builds.

[@konga382]

Kind of ridiculous that they only include it on their high-end motherboards when it's such a cheap and simple mechanism though. More artificial segmentation.

[@kekoraspow9153]

Eyyy chopstick brother! I stupidly used a screwdriver before my brain activated and have been using a chopstick since

[@maxmustsleep]

@@konga382 on another computex video (not from hardware unboxed) i heard that Asus or similar has a patent on this release mechanism so companies need to work around that. but yeah i fully agree it should come with pretty much any mainboard in 2024.

[@vigilant_1934]

@@maxmustsleep I can confirm my Asus ROG Strix B650E-F WIFI board has the patented Q-release I think it's called.

[@EhNothing]

Really appreciate the shots of the spec sheets for the mobos. Very useful to be able to flip between and compare. Thanks.

[@mxthunder2]

thanks for making the effort do do live coverage. its fun to watch and I appreciate it.

[@lugaidster]

Please show matx and itx boards if available :(

[@ICmikeyP]

Literally none of the reviewers showed off the matx boards. Like try to stand out from everyone else at least, First channel I find that actually shows it all, earns a sub.

[@vigilant_1934]

@@ICmikeyP Maybe none of those boards were interesting to them or there aren't many being showcased? I thought the X870E Steel Legend board looked really cool but Steve talked about the one under it instead. Looks like they just pick what they like which is fine. I'm sure we'll get reviews eventually.

[@Ralipsi]

Thanks for the update!

[@guyfawkes8873]

I really don’t understand manufacturers. First they massively underspend VRMs and got called out… now they massively overspec VRMs and get called out for silliness… I’m pretty sure 8 or 12 phase VRMs with current high spec 70 or 90A power stages are MORE than adequate. Why? Because I’ve seen setups with that kind of power handling on older HEDT stuff… so can we please get that? Not doubled 4 phase designs with crap components, not designs capable of pushing 1kW plus on mainstream boards, just something in between for normal people ty? And if we can still get post codes that’d be jam.

[@MadsonOnTheWeb]

These MOBOS looks so tasteful

[@ApocDevTeam]

Either companies are just throwing ridiculous quantities of VRM's on there to lower temps and have something to market over their competitors or Intel's next-gen CPU's are going to double as space heaters.

[@WaterZer0]

Nvidia: 450 watt video card Intel: hold our beer

[@Frozoken]

seeing the same absurd power delivery is clearly on the new amd boards too it's fairly obvious which it'll be

[@miha1999grobar]

You are PC gaming industry and there is two wolves inside you One is mobo manufacturer that wants to put enough phases to run 3 server CPUs on a consumer mobo The other one is nVidia that wants to shove >450 watts through a single undersized 12 pin power cable and burn your power cable or connector

[@Eric_Fate]

There is a disappointing lack of Debug LEDs on that crop of display boards.

[@richard-davies]

It's 2024, we should be seeing small OLED/LCD debug screens as standard by now so they can actually tell you whats wrong or happening. I had this on my older Asus X570 Formula and it was such a handy feature.

[@ThrasherEscapes]

a friend of mine quipped this week that it's become the most expensive 10 cent part on a board

[@TheFeelTrain]

​​@@richard-daviesI had it on my X79 Asus board from 2012! I thought for sure it'd become standard in the future and yet here we are 12 years later. That board also allowed BIOS updates without a CPU installed which would be great for Ryzen but nope I guess we can't have nice things 😢

[@sirmonkey1985]

@@TheFeelTrain the last two chipset series plus most of the 400 series have had cpu-less bios updating. even when debug screens were more common most manufactures failed miserably to give a full code list. at most you got a code for cpu, memory, or gpu initialization failure or not installed.. everything else was just blank or didn't exist in the code list. either way for 99.9998% of users the screens useless for them because they don't know enough to figure out what the code means and you end up going through the same troubleshooting process as a yellow or red LED lighting up on the board.

[@dat_21]

You won't buy the motherboard for the purpose of debugging it. Speaker out/small leds are more than enough and has always been. The push for 7 segment LEDs is absurd.

[@thetg2117]

hyped to do my 1st AMD build this summer.

[@munshikaifur8010]

Wait for Intel arrow lake

[@puffyips]

@@munshikaifur8010for lower amd prices? lol

[@HoneyTwee]

Wait for Ryzen 9000X3D I mean unless you just wanna build something. Can't wait forever. But X3D chips really really help with unoptimised games. In games like star citizen or rust you'll see literally 2x the FPS by having an X3D chip compared to not. I got a 5800X3D and i wouldn't even want to get a Ryzen 9000 as losing X3D isn't worth it for the games that practically NEED it to run well.

[@munshikaifur8010]

@@puffyips yes because Intel arrow lake will beat amd

[@Xeonzs]

@@munshikaifur8010 lol nope, AMD's ryzen X3D CPUs have been king of gaming since their introduction, while taking 65-120TDP instead of 250TDP XD The last good intel generation was 11th gen, after that it was all trash, waste of sand.

[@MikeBob2023]

*THANK YOU* for your coverage of ASRock at Computex 2024, Steve. 🙏🏼 (I can't seem to find much about their new stuff elsewhere on KZbin atm. 😒) /subscribe 👍🏼

[@tr4nnel752]

Were there any ITX boards or did i miss that?

[@First-Name_Last-Name]

The ones at 9:40 (near steve left elbow) looks sorta ITX-ish, or I'm just imagining things.

[@chads7796]

Agreed!!! ITX or MATX only for me. Honestly, I think MATX is the best right now as ITX is sometimes a bit too small (casewise) for the newer BIGASS GPUs. This GPU size increase from RTX 3080/90 to a 4080/90 is ridiculous!

[@tringuyen7519]

@@First-Name_Last-NameI am concerned that ARL needs 20 phase VRMs in an ITX. How much power will ARL burn???

[@rrekki9320]

Man that X870E Taichi gets me feelin different. Such a damn beauty.

[@t0mn8r35]

Good coverage.

[@gtbeakerman]

Great coverage! Would like to see more mATX and mITX board coverage as well.

[@stevenszmek7007]

Thanks for the update ! ... i'm already afraid of the prices for any of those boards...

[@blackmage4100]

The Nova looks really interesting.

[@weirdodude1173]

I'm liking that Taichi Lite! Thumbs up.

[@tomstech4390]

For anyone wondering about the board with all the PCIE slots. ASRock WRX90 WS EVO

[@aliensounddigital8729]

Heatsinks pop off instead of using screws. That's a great idea. Also love that pcie q-slot that's in use also. Now I dont have to use a stick of some kind to detach the videocard from the x16 slot when using large heatsink coolers.

[@steelfalconx2000]

I still have my original x370 taichi and it's rock solid and awesome. Currently running a 5700x3D

[@sirmonkey1985]

definitely like the quick disconnect m.2 covers on the asrock boards.. about dang time some one did it.

[@SAFFY7411]

Solid looking designs from Asrock once again. If these Z890 boards are anything to go by Arrow Lake is going to really push the power envelope more than ever. Too early to say but motherboard vendors I bet aren't being cautious with regards to the VRMs.

[@ericwinberg5302]

Looks good ASRock!

[@Personalinfo404]

Nothing new on the ITX or DTX form factors? I know asus did the impact DTX board on x570

[@steffenwei9926]

You can see some in the background

[@Kokinkun]

I think the mini DTX form factor was a one-off type since it's super expensive and a low-volume type of product. I still use the X570 CH8 Impact with a 5900X and I love the unique form factor but seems like the trend is moving away from ITX and more towards mATX.

[@inqizzo]

I love the lightning and pro rs designs, simmilar thing was seen from gigabyte before, but moving pcie from below a gpu is always good to see

[@QuentinStephens]

More! I saw Asrock had a big Arc display; was there any Battlemage news?

[@raptor1672]

The Steel Legend boards look horn!

[@techieg33k]

Thanks!

[@danb3785]

Oh no! Looked away and almost missed Tim in the back being funny!

[@MrAnimescrazy]

I will definitely get a white or white and silver x870e motherboard to go with a white 5090 and the x3d next gen chip and white ram to continue my white build.

[@mxthunder2]

reminds me of the gigabyte Ga-z77-up7 back in the day with 32 60A stages. my favorite mobo of all time

[@MarshallZPie]

I remember disliking Asrock for making super cheap motherboards but their Taichi boards have been my favorite for a while, CAMM2 Taichi sounds awesome.

[@AxleLotl]

Oh man, I am so KEEN to see what B850(E) ITX boards are coming out!

[@Tony-lg9td]

Gotta watch till the end for the cameo. Not going to time stamp it. Gotta see it to believe it

[@larsjrgensen5975]

Those are some crazy VRMs, the Steel Legend would be plenty enough for me.

[@alexmaddocks7179]

I've had board problems over the years with every maker... except ASRock. I love the Taichi's

[@cletus223]

Do the beefy VRAMs mean that the 15900K (or U15900 or whatever it'll be called) will run at 400 Watts?

[@georgejones5019]

I'm glad they're offering the Taichi E Lite. I want an EATX for a Fractal North XL build. But I don't want a ton of RGB in it. Maybe just one or two elements.

[@dnakatomiuk]

God I'd love to go to Computex I really would I'd be a proper geek to check all of this new stuf

[@teemu3370]

More coverage on the entry and mid level boards would have been nice

[@ChaitanyaShukla2503]

Please cover Chenbro as well, havent heard about them in a long time.

[@Justmakesomenoiz]

Taichi is fire this year

[@ShaunaJagan]

Hoping for a new ITX mobo 🙏

[@bazzingabomb]

Mini itx boards are sill a thing right Asrock?....

[@chads7796]

I think we are starting to see less and less ITX than ever and more MATX. The GPUs just got to freaking big and you basically need a MATX case to fit them and at 3 slots at a minimum. ITX will move more and more toward custom water cooling for top-end GPUs.

[@bazzingabomb]

@@chads7796 I think you might be right, as there aren't many itx cases with 3 or 4 slots. 3 slot GPUs now being pretty much the standard.

[@Tithulta1]

Certainly liked the new Amd boards, wonder what the costs will be?

[@Slane583]

I like the looks of the white boards. If there's more choices for white boards I might have to look into one when the times comes. Also, if you're someone who owns a mouse and keyboard with a removeable cord that Intel' boards problem can be easily solved by replacing cable with one that has usb type-c plugs on both ends. :)

[@ladcrooks275]

Thanks Tim, sort of thing I would do, a way of showing thumbs up for the boards? I know you will tell the truth after testing 😁

[@robertmorrison4020]

what were those itx boards?

[@VioletGOKU]

Can you elaborate on lack of CPU liquid cooling for TAICHI Aqua? Would it still support liquid cooled AIOs?

[@DouglasWatt]

Really tempted by the specs on that Taichi 870E board. Any chance of a white version? Cause I'd be tempted to trade up from my B650E Steel Legend just for the extra NvME slot - assuming the Zen4 CPUs are compatible with the extra slot.

[@jojobetzler3732]

Right now the two flaggship boards from X670E and Z790 are whitish, so there is a good chance to see a white X870E Taichi Auqa.

[@DouglasWatt]

@@jojobetzler3732 Ya, they showed the new Taichi Aqua for Intel, but there wasn't an equivalent one on the wall for AMD. But not in a rush to upgrade. We don't know yet if the Zen4 parts will be able to benefit at all from the improvements in the new boards, so that's some testing that needs to happen before I seriously consider the issue anyway.

[@ahmednofal3865]

thanks

[@KaoruSugimura]

Looks like im not touching their boards for my next build. I absolutely hate that mobo manufacturers are pushing 7 segment debug readouts onto $400+ boards. They used to be common on ~$100 boards but now it's exclusively in a mid to premium tier even though it's a cheap add-on for them. It's genuinely infuriating that something so useful is being gated as a premium feature across the industry.

[@sulphurous2656]

Those "lite" motherboards seem like a welcome step in the right direction. For too long have mobo prices been driven up by superficial fluff. Some people just want a strictly functional motherboard with little to no regard for aesthetics, before shoving it into a windowless case. Motherboards used to be like that.

[@stephanematis]

Given all this power and density, any ITX news worth sharing for future motherboards ?

[@VanBurenPhilips]

Honestly after switching GPUs a few times with a fat air cooler installed, I think one of those easy-release levers is a must-have on my next board >_

[@JJW3]

Since I'll be waiting for the 9800X3D, I'm more curious about any future B-series AM5 boards coming out.

[@CheapSushi]

sucks to see so few PCIe slots on ATX boards, compared to say their ASRock Z77 Extreme11 from years ago; especially when CPUs back then had even less lanes. I really don't mind M.2 slots in general but the PCIe slots are much more versatile generally (and with expansion boards you can add way more) in that same board region, especially when other boards show how you can add those standard M.2 NVMe slots in the PCH area and also near the RAM region or even on the rear of the board. With ASMedia or similar switches, you could have 5-to-7 slots (even if x4 that's fine) and still have multiple M.2 slots, and a bunch of I/O still.

[@ytc6227]

Asrock has been killing it with their recent high quality products at very competitive prices.

[@exscape]

What, 10 M.2 slots on that Taichi (03:05)? CPUs are rumored to have 20 PCIe 5.0 lanes, no? Do they support some kind of bifurcation that lets you "convert" PCIe 5.0 x2 to PCIe 4.0 x4 or how does that even work?

[@MiG82au]

The 4 SSD card only uses 4 CPU lanes and I haven't heard of consumer boards bifucating into x1s so the card must have a switch on it and cost hundreds.

[@tommihommi1]

what's the point of crazy VRMs on AM5

[@JMKarymidoN]

The same as intel: If you have enough cooling you can increase power limits and unlock extra performance, OFC, same as intel, your sacrificing some longevity and stabilty of your CPU.

[@WayStedYou]

@@JMKarymidoN and 13 or 14 110amp is already more than enough to do that they basically doubled it for no reason or used much higher amperage for no reason

[@WaterZer0]

My guess: new Intel CPUs use even more power, and they bought VRMs for the Intel boards and are reusing them for the AMD boards.

[@benjaminlynch9958]

@@JMKarymidoNthe power stages on these boards can support > 3000 watts! That’s about 2x what the highest end PSU can support, and about 1/10 of what an AIO CPU cooler can support. This is beyond overkill and well into stupid territory. Like putting a rocket propulsion on a shopping cart to get through the grocery store quicker.

[@exscape]

@@WaterZer0 The new Intel CPUs are supposedly a lot more power efficient as they are heavily redesigned (and on a new node). I wouldn't count on them beating AMD until I see evidence, but things seem to be looking up compared to the last few generations. Several thousand watts is surely extreme overkill regardless though.

[@amirafshar2580]

Fire hardware 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Hell4Gamers]

Good thing those boards have all those power stages so you can under clock your intel CPU for stability.

[@nipa5961]

Sounds like Arrow Lake will be 400+W. I hope Intel finally learned something though.

[@evmadic]

Hope the cordless trend continues by moving all the connectors to the rear.

[@undisputedinternetmoments2289]

Is there any 2dimm new AMD motherboards from Asrock? Thanks

[@VincentDangerWater]

Can't find a single motherboard that isn't absolutely goddamned gorgeous.

[@WilliamOwyong]

Glad to see Asrock continuing their Lite range

[@InnerFury666]

Steve is the definite name if you wanna horoscope for a child with technical clarity.

[@chaselewis3819]

Needs the 20 phase vrm for intels next gen cpus pulling 600 watts to match amds 105w processor

[@sepideh8977]

When will Asrock unveil the rear connection motherboards?

[@YouArentHereYet]

Any boards with built-in 10GB ethernet?

[@katzicael]

Asrock may very well get my motherboard money this generation, their aesthetic and feature set is *chefs kiss*

[@10001000101]

Bloody Tim! *Shakes Fist*

[@stennan]

NGL: my Asrock z270 has kept ticking for 7+ years. Was it true that they snagged some of EVGAs bios developers? If so I may keep my eye out for future reviews

[@tinto278]

Crazy how you only have 1.03M subscribers, should be higher.

[@nopower3970]

8:19 is that Brian of TYC?

[@GainingDespair]

25 power stage 110 amps .... That's a beast, and will out live the CPU

[@m8x425]

I remember seeing board partners put overly-beefy VRM setups on x470 motherboards. Some x470 boards could run the 2700x with the heatsinks removed, and the VRM's still wouldn't get too hot. I'd say this means Zen 6 Ryzen 9 processors will have 24 to 32 cores.

[@cocosloan3748]

Yeeey - new VRM's .... The wait is over. We ABSOLUTELY needed them ! 🤞 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026]

While talking about the CAMM board, you only showed closeups of DIMM slots :/ I'd have really liked to see what the new stuff looks like!

[@RafitoOoO]

Those motherboards could power my house lol. Asrock apparently took the criticisms to the heart and decided to fix them. Great to see honestly.

[@Jzwiz]

I have an x670e taichi atm and man the new one looks a lot nicer(oddly the non e looks better) hate the io though, the current taichi only has 2 audio ports which makes surround sound speakers an extreme pain to try. Also the pcie slot is lower than a standard board again, it causes compatibility issues with certain gpu/support brackets and cases which is the main let down

[@TheBottleneckedGamer]

Thank the lord! Boards that don’t double as Christmas trees!

[@CaptainVKanth]

They got rid of all those 5.1 / 7.1 audio jacks?