Noctua Just Killed The AIO! Also NH-D15 *G2* Here At Last | Computex 2024

[@chrismoore8778]

"Mount it under your desk." Noctua made a crotch cooler. These are the advancements I want to hear about.

[@omura00]

friggin' genius i say.

[@007the_name_is_Bond]

HOLY SHIT, @Bitwit, pls pin this genius idea

[@SirGingerOfKnight]

*instructions unclear meme*

[@eternalgamers10]

As a Florida guy, that's not a bad idea 😂. Noctua might be onto something here.

[@neondemon5137]

Swamp ass cooler

[@Derakkon2]

I cut 4x 140mm holes in the back of my entertainment cabinet and mounted Noctua fans with grills. The intake fans are towards the bottom and have a magnetic filter. The exhaust fans are up towards the top and just have grills. Since I don't have to worry about dust, I am using a test bench frame to hold the computer. This setup keeps my HTPC nice and cool.

[@youquagmire]

Awesome that a company is finally looking into some stand alone fan solutions. I too am in a similar boat with my htpc demanding more cooling...I have already got 2x120mm fans mounted at the bottom of my cabinet with a grill up top but without some extra push, the heat doesn't escape quickly enough. So looking forward to that video of how you are going to implement them on you're setup.

[@bjyoungblood]

The thermosiphon concept is what the IceGiant with Prosiphon Elite released 3 or 4 years back. The benefit of Noctua's is that the heatsink isn't blocking the top half of the motherboard. The benefit of IceGiant's is that you don't have hoses (which I imagine the coolant could leak from). The vapor is entirely locked into the metal pipes attached to the heatsink. I have the IceGiant, and it performs extremely well with my 5950X. I can peg my CPU at 100% with video encoding as it hovers between 4.5-4.6GHz and see temps stay in high 70s/low 80s.

[@photonboy999]

I don't think the coolant is any more likely to leak from a Noctua thermosiphon vs the IceGiant. The Thermosiphon is a sealed system, and with good quality control and design, followed by TESTING after manufacturing I think the odds that a leak would occur would be incredibly LOW... and glad you like your IceGiant (it is pretty neat concept), but it gets about 2degC higher temperatures vs the Noctua NH-D15 SE so it's pretty much in line with the $33 (USD) cooler like the Thermalright Peerless Assassin SE.

[@bjyoungblood]

​@@photonboy999 , "The Thermosiphon is a sealed system, and with good quality control and design, followed by TESTING after manufacturing I think the odds that a leak would occur would be incredibly LOW" Cool! Thanks for the clarification on that. That definitely makes the Noctua solution more compelling to me. In regards to performance compared to Noctua NH-D15, you're correct for most consumer uses (including my own). Where there is a slight benefit to the IceGiant is over extended periods. Due to its huge heatsink design, its heat-soaking allows it better sustained heat dissipation and higher boost clocks on a prolonged, single run at high temps. So, if it encoded a video for many hours, the Noctua would gradually fall behind, though it would start out winning for a while. Most benchmarks don't account for this. Noctua's fans are definitely quieter. Admittedly, the IceGiant's performance isn't good enough for the price. Thankfully, I was an early adopter and preordered it at a much lower price than it can be bought now (

[@jesh879]

@@photonboy999 IceGiant, even in its current iteration, has a product which pulls way ahead under high wattage loads. I'm sure the D15 is better on a 65W processor. Put it on Threadripper and it's not even close. That means that IceGiant has some work to do, and the current design they are working on looks very similar to what Noctua has here. Noctua is literally trying to push a new competitor out of the market before they get too strong with a disruptive idea.

[@emp1985]

Something tells me the "competitive" $150 NH-D15 G2 is still not going to look well at the side of the $35 Thermalright Peerless Assasin...

[@Wall_Flour]

Yep, this was my first thought.

[@deuswulf6193]

More like their $40 Phantom Spirit Evo, which is even further ahead of the Peerless Assassin in terms of performance.

[@Astralthelionheart]

I’m sure it will win the noise normalized tests, which is the market Noctua is going after.

[@CianMcsweeney]

Nah noctua all the way, way quieter and the best customer support/experience I've ever had. They've sent me multiple free kits for new CPU sockets, zero questions asked.

[@Shaboops]

​@CianMcsweeney Full vouch, they replied really quickly and sent me some extra mounting parts no questions asked. Noctua ride or die for life

[@uzer_zero]

The modular desk fan system would be great for adding a filter, so that it could be placed on a bench to direct soldering smoke away from you while soldering medium-to-large boards or handwired circuits. I kludged together something for this using a desktop gooseneck mic stand and a 120mm fan, and this desktop stand would have been SO much better.

[@austinnafziger4159]

I love thermosiphon cooling. I have the IceGiant on my 5900X and never see it get above 80. Beast of a cooler. Nice to see some competition in the space.

[@-Ambos-]

to this new kind of cooler> there is no such thing like "hey, this is a new product and maybe next year...". If Noctua shows this now for the first time, your children might buy it once.

[@Hjorth87]

A seasonic noctua collaboration?!? *insert rainbow drool*

[@iiXboxLiive]

5:18 "thermophison" lol

[@RyTrapp0]

It's German, clearly😂

[@PhreakDarkSoul]

@@RyTrapp0 Bernhard Kümel build it first... maybe?

[@Bitwit]

i knowww :(

[@goatman86]

thermo siphon, not phison. In theory It's just an air cooler with flexible heatpipes. I'm kinda surprised nobody thought of that sooner

[@iiXboxLiive]

​@@goatman86 we know it's siphon. Kyle said phison in the video lol.

[@freerangemtb]

Some of those extra accessories look like they could easily be sold as 3D Print files. Imagine being able to just buy the files and 3D print your own adapters. That'd be cool.

[@BobDrenth]

Some actually are on Noctua's Printables profile, right there for you to print at no cost :)

[@sagichnicht6748]

@@BobDrenth Indeed. Great move by Noctua.

[@ploed]

​@@BobDrenththat's why I still buy their fans, they care about their customers.

[@iDustball]

Love the coverage dude, always glad to see you uploading!

[@BansheeBunny]

How is it not an All In One (AIO) or Closed loop Cooler (CLC), just because it does not have a pump?

[@Rok_Satanas]

It's a heat pump, like an airconditioner. Uses evaporation/phase change to cool. I would still call it an AIO because it's all in one, but i understand why they want to deferentiate, since in PC cooling AIO or CLC refers to something specific.

[@laggmonstret]

@@Rok_Satanas Also probably not as effective as if it it had a Pump. But still interesting since it can be good enough with less noise perhaps.

[@Rok_Satanas]

@@laggmonstret Sure, but noctua is known for Good enough silent performance, so i understand why they didn't put one in

[@laggmonstret]

@@Rok_Satanas Certainly :D

[@CptLang97]

Definitely a CLC, but not an AIO

[@Spartan536]

Noctua and Seasonic working together on Seasonic's PRIME PSU's is just sheer perfection. There are no better power supplies than Seasonic PRIME PSU's, I am currently using a PRIME PX-1000 (2021) and 4x Noctua Industrial iPPC fans on my radiator, both are absolutely stellar in build quality and performance.

[@bucyrus5000]

The concavity of LGA 1700 isn't by design of the chip, it is how the same old cpu retainer that they designed in the 90s deforms the thinner IHS on the modern Itel CPUs. We chould switch to a cooler mounted CPU retainer that the CPU/cooler then slots into the motherboard. This has a lot of theoretical benefits (the CPU can be sealed away from exposure to air humidity, allowing sub zero work, as well as integrated heaters, and structurally locking the CPU to the thing that is sharing thermal stress).

[@jamesd001]

I believe it's also due to the LGA1700 CPUs being slightly thicker but they didn't make the mounting bracket higher, so it gets extra bent in the middle. Adding washers under the mounting bracket to raise it slightly is reported to give a better heatsink contact.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Very nice. Intersting that the fans are now being used in a more consumer oriented way.

[@Dom_Mason]

Been with Noctua since what 2005? I can't remember. The NH-12U. They are the King of air cooling. Glad they are going in PSU and AIO market.

[@Nutakins]

Great having you back ser, one love.

[@someusername121]

Lga1856 will come with a ILM shim to do the same effect as the washers.

[@ragtop63]

This is why I stay subscribed to bitwit. No shock “journalism”. No need to drum up drama for views. Just talks about tech and gadgets in an easy to understand format. Stay classy Kyle! Also, that’s not an HTPC. It’s an A/V receiver. But I guess the net result is the same 👍

[@kyangsable]

Did Lyle come along?

[@magicmulder]

Will I be able to just swap the fans in my existing NH-D15? Or did they change something with regard to form factor/width between?

[@Kyle_VanMan]

My fellow Kyle, I am thrilled to see regular uploads from you again - missed you my dude. Your particular flavour of technertainment is the best of YT.

[@Nutakins]

I concur

[@Vastad]

@5:15 so that's basically how fridges work. Sounds like a liquid/gas with a low boiling point. But you said it was reliant on gravity to work? Hmm, so that would limit it to always mounting above the CPU/motherboard. Fridges have a compressor for a reason but maybe when it's this small, it can work.

[@TGFTTGFFGTTRUEFHROWHEF]

i always choose noctua its hard to change to another brand...for air cooler... the heatsinks are top notch

[@GrumpyPants572]

That desk fan would be good for us sim racers / flyers!

[@hanisa50]

Love the video man. I forgot how much I loved these kinds of videos

[@TimmyInTarky]

Amazing stuff. Wondering what's going on with the upcoming Ryzen 9 - would they have similar weird plate and would the CCDs bi similarly positioned?!

[@Ukgyt99]

The Psu and desk fan are awesome.

[@tmsphere]

A liquid going through many vapor-liquid-vapor phases will also cause the liquid to evaporate outside of the locked loop and degrade with many cycles, i dunno how this is more efficient than AIO maybe the only upside is no need for pump.

[@johnh1353]

I never knew I needed a Noctua desk fan .... sold!

[@esaedvik]

I'm already running a few 140mm fans on the desk at 5 volts via a USB adapter. Nice and quiet.

[@Vertigo11]

Thank You Kyle!

[@vicious12394]

Wouldn't there still be the issue of leaking seeing as there is liquid inside. Plus wouldnt the gas leech out over time making it less efficient to the point where it no longer works?

[@jesh879]

it has solid metal tubing. no evaporation or leaks. this is the same type of design used in industrial applications that lasts 50 yrs+ without service. PC use pioneered by IceGiant, not noctua.

[@gbxmusicchannel3836]

I added a noctua fan to my psu years ago and it's working great =).

[@gasracing5000]

very cool. that non aio cooler is brilliant

[@VncentValntine]

8:00 my dad used to make these all the time from scraps lmao!

[@Blackbirddc]

I have extra noctua fans and being able to use one as a desk fan would be dope.

[@xellaz]

I prefer air-cooling my CPU but unfortunately I had to go for liquid AIO when the Noctua NH-D15 struggled cooling my CPU. That new AIO looking Noctua CPU cooler sounds really interesting though. If it can show results that can compete with top liquid AIOs... I would definitely consider getting one instead.

[@bluelabel222]

What gas are the using in the aio? Sane as automotive? 1234yf?

[@reptilez13]

Noctua should find a wood grain that matches the color of their brown perfectly. Then they can keep with the trend, maybe get on some peoples radar they wouldnt otherwise, but stay true to Noctua lol.

[@UnixGoldBoy]

Dude! I love that BMW M3 you are riding in at the beginning of the video!

[@mm-yt8sf]

shouldn't paste or thermal pads counteract non-flatness of the plate? especially a pad since i'd imagine the amount of material between the two items will be a constant amount (but different compression..and hopefully both good conducting)

[@MrJohannson]

Sure, but it's a crutch, in a way.

[@skjenn13]

We need to see a Noctua Auto edition, where they design airflow for automobile manufactures to optimize airflow and cooling efficiency where we nee dit most in every day use in Texas summer heat!

[@harrycee656]

They are likely using that low vapor temp liquid used for submersion cooking used for servers. This will be cool.

[@hardlyworgen71]

FYI thermosiphons are not new tech. The Ford Model T used a thermosiphon instead of a waterpump.

[@johanlahti84]

I'm having a hard time believing that 2 long heatpipes will do anywhere close too a 6-8 pipe normal heatsink. But future tests will enlighten us. Would be awesome if it did perform well.

[@onedeadcat]

One problem with Thermosiphon coolers is that they can't work if your MB/case is inverted.

[@Zatchillac]

Was wanting to build a new PC next year but looks like I might be waiting a little longer for the G2 Chromax Ah, according to a Noctua rep on Reddit it looks like Q1/Q2 2025 for the cooler

[@crankycat3677]

I'd much rather have a portable and not mounted desk fan which also has a rechargeable battery. That's the only kind I use for anything since I can take it with me and it helps alot if the power goes out in the Summer.

[@thseed7]

Kyle at Computex is always the best.

[@PhotoJohn80]

considering its only a prototype... NO they did not kill the AIO.... YET.... I hope it becomes a product because I can't stand AIOs and Watercooling... too much maintenance for me to care to deal with them. I will be upgrading to their new 140 air cooler when I go to the AM5 platform!

[@jesh879]

check out IceGiant

[@allnighterist]

Is there a noctua stand fan and ceiling fan?

[@aaronazzcalibur589]

omg i really want the desk fan. but i hope it comes in Noctua brown.

[@immune6220]

okay but better question when are FLAT IHS going to be the standart?

[@technicallyme]

Super pipes in aio form. Pretty cool

[@dusans292]

I was thinking the same. Put 2 of those fans under my laptop. I have a 13950HX and the laptop is very loud

[@tryllejens]

So basically an AIO without a pump? so one less possible point of failure, and no pump noise. Nice!

[@skjenn13]

So...what you're saying is that I can potentially convert my "AIO" into a mini distillery...okay, I'd love to see someone bring that concept to life! haha

[@ThorDyrden]

Following Noctua development for a while now.. I would have never imagined how complicated it is to design a fan. Simply though the fan-blades are some simple injection-moulded peaces of basic plastic. But if you try to minimize the gap to the frame for pressure/noise-optimization ... need to consider this fan must still work in temperature ranges from -10° to maybe 90° without starting to touch the frame... has centrifugal forces affecting it for years... you get a glimpse of the challenges the engineers had to overcome and why they need so much time... and why high-end fans cost 5x as much, as cheap no-names.

[@Chaos_God_of_Fate]

I wish Noctua would make their fans in White, I just hate their color scheme unless it's in a wooden case- I'm fine with no RGB but I gotta have my white builds. I do really like their new PSU though, that thing is nice looking. That desk fan is kinda dumb though- costs 100 dollars... would be neat if it was maybe 30-40. I'd rather put that money toward a 3d printer, then make my own- there are free plans out there to make the same thing and tons of different variations as well..

[@Mateo47R]

So basically they made a heat pump'ish type of design for a pc. But just using ambient moisture in the air. What happens if you live in extremely dry areas?

[@SBlazeable]

when do we get a noctua air conditioner that can confuse an HVAC technician when he turns it on and it doesn't make any sounds before dispensing a melted austrian chocolate bar as a meter of quality assurance when the unit is working & it informs him to restock an unmelted chocolate bar.

[@VinzentB]

omg Im hiped, I always wanted a syphon cooler! event thougt about building one my self, and if Noctua (my favorit brand all time) releases one Im so happy (:

[@vasiovasio]

Great video! Thank you!

[@Mcfarad595]

Those mounts are going to be heavily used in car audio cooling too.

[@zenon3021]

i'm still using my noctua fans from 12 years ago, still working well (and I keep my computer on 24/7)

[@DidYouReadEULA]

Love the Seasonic collaboration because it is the only PSU brand I trust.

[@wololo10]

My warped frame made the fan make so much noise, had to return them

[@mitchtalmadge]

That new AIO is basically how an air conditioner works. Probably has some refrigerant in it.

[@kylekermgard]

It's unpowered though.

[@fred_derf]

+mitchtalmadge, writes _That new AIO is basically how an air conditioner works."_ Or a fridge. @@kylekermgard, writes _"It's unpowered though."_ Which makes it much less efficient.

[@matthewharrington420]

im thinking its just an air cooler in a aio chassis. its pretty much the same principle. im sure it has a different liquid but its similar enough in my mind...

[@real_Zuramaru]

yes, its a refrigeration cycle, its going to need some sort of refrigerant. idk how this works tho without a compressor and expansion valve

[@mbrosenb86]

I think it’s more like they replaced the “heat pipes” of an air cooler with something else

[@sethglenn9022]

That's EXACTLY how HVAC and refrigeration works.

[@workinprogress5936]

I am curious of you could use R32 refrigerant in a condenser/evap combo to super cool the chip

[@jesh879]

Refrigerant like that produces temperatures lower than the dew point and you have to fight condensation.

[@kberlinquette]

I want an entire Nocuta PC

[@elbeetlebeasto]

For some reason your voice sounds like Jayztwocents in this. Totally thought I was watching a J2C video there for a sec lol

[@Dinugujon]

Now I can't unhear it hahaha

[@ShimejiiGaming]

150$ for an aircooler is HORRIFIC. There is no way you can spin it to make a 2-3 degree reduction worth 50$ more then a NH-D15 Gen 1, and its certainly not going to be 4x better then a Phantom Spirit Evo... Just a bad price. If it was 110$ i can say okay, since the NH-D15 was 80-90$ for 6 years before they jacked up the price.

[@bigpappa_]

Looking forward to it

[@rehtsch]

Nice contribution, but never in life does the development at noctua take only one year when something is in prototype status. This new AiO concept will certainly take a good while until it is perfect among all the points that noctua sets itself and the product.

[@c99kfm]

First, Noctua case fans. Second, Noctua CPU coolers. Third, Noctua Edition GPUs. Fourth, Noctua Edition PSUs. Finally, Noctua case, to put all the other parts in - dare we dream?

[@did00p]

i wonder how can 150$ air cooler kill 70$ liquid freezer III 280 ...

[@boblast5582]

so noctua is making gentle typhoons now?

[@goatman86]

I think either lapping will make a strong come back or deliding will get more popular if this trend continues.

[@xxshiftywolfxxgaming1142]

That new “not an aio” sounds like an aio with extra work

[@lil----lil]

Color me EXTREMELY interested. If it lives to the hype. It's a BUY for me!

[@angelme5692]

So... what's more preferable? Buying a new cooler every time you upgrade your CPU or lapping you CPU? :3 These new SKUs yes will offer better performance, but you will basically need a new cooler for every COU upgrade, or at best your upgrade path will be extremely limited... Is Noctua the only company trying to address certain issues? Yes... But there will be customers that will use the wron SKU for the wrong CPU and temps will be higher than just using a completely flat cooler... I feel that lapping is the only way to go now... Everything else is an expensive fix...

[@ploed]

Can't wait for the "AIO" from Noctua.

[@jeffreychatfield7881]

It looks like a thermosiphon affect ?

[@Antonin1738]

that is huge, how does that not fall off or warp the motherboard

[@superslash7254]

Isn't that chart just describing exactly how heatpipes already work though?

[@ShinGoukiSan]

Noctua is well qualified to represent the LBC 😂

[@Nutakins]

The first thing that came to mind for me too 😆

[@ShadowGrip]

Hope we get a Lyle appearance for one booth

[@NaptownClassic]

Snoop Dogg would choose the LBC cooler.

[@SirDieselz1]

Wonder who made the Thermosiphon in the engendering department first , Ice Giant or Noctua?

[@jesh879]

IceGiant literally has shipped commercial products. It's not even close.

[@DanteTheAbyssalBeing]

A CPU heat sink with Ford Model T cooling technology. I like it.

[@badlilstang]

They didn't kill the AIO.... it takes up ALL the space in the case... I have used probably 50+ AIO kits building over the past 25 years which only so many of those were AIO years... and have never had one leak.. had 2 units fail but zero damage done. Bios is setup to shut down at given temp and everything was good. Liquid coolers are adjusting pressure points also..

[@rickss69]

While these large air coolers do a fantastic job there is no getting around the fact the main reason many don't want to use them...they are freakin huge and cover up most of the motherboard.

[@TheTechMonkey702]

I still feel the high-end Tower cooler market is too niche. Too much weight on the M/B IMO, along with the TR Towers. I want to see high pressure AIOs next!

[@haloharry97]

Thermosiphon is what am waiting for, I hope they come out with a 420mm

[@DJGSonik]

So Noctua made an Air conditioner for your CPU It´s exactly the way an AC works :D

[@jesh879]

They just copied IceGiant's idea.

[@ursdubel3585]

Yeahhh Noctua entering the destillary market 🤣🤣🤣

[@dweblinveltz5035]

Isn't the intel problem just the stock motherboard frame bending the lid? I don't see the point of selling different heatsinks when a $10 thermalright frame fixes the problem.

[@profosist]

It bends the PCB cause they made it thinner quite a few generations ago.