Inside the Chieftain's Hatch - Achilles Part 2

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Nicholas Moran continues his tour of the Achilles tank destroyer, built on the basis of the American M10. Today, he's talking about the tank interior and crew member positions. Why can this vehicle be considered the best of its type for its time? What difficulties did the gunner face? What's the simplest way for the driver to get to his position? You can find answers to these questions and more in the new episode of "Inside the Chieftain's Hatch." Happy viewing!
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[@thatwolffe3802]

This and the firefly are a good example of the british "if it doesn't fit we will make it fit"

[@staszekr03]

Nigel bring me the 17 pounder i need to put it on my stuart , OH and Nigel cut a hole in the back of the turret do it fits also WHERES MY TEA !!

[@brunoraoni]

Of course the furry is going to talk about fitting a big stuff in something that doesn't fit, guess we all have a bit of british inside us eh.

[@lokenontherange]

@@brunoraoni Some people just like animals. Not everyone is a furry.

[@SpaceAtomz]

@@lokenontherange He is most definitely a furry

[@Josh-ot7mt]

We do tend to be stubborn folk

[@0YouCanCallMeAl0]

This series is the only reason I'm still subscribed to this channel. I don't play WoT anymore. Keep it up guys :)

[@edl617]

I believe that most Tank crewman were short. Two my Uncles were US Army infantry and both were 6 feet tall. Both applied to transfer into tanks but in 1940 after there guard units were federalize that they were told according to family stories that they were too tall

[@Darilon12]

I read somewhere that the Israelis bought American M10s after the war and later converted them to 17pdr themselves. That would mean it isn't an Achilles after all and the markings are an accurate restoration while the gun is one of those Israeli post-war modifications.

[@12345678booo]

My Uncle crewed one of these with the RCA. He saw action in Sicily, Italy, the Netherlands, and Germany. They had 6 kills and lost 6 Achillies to action or mechanical failures. If they could not move they abandoned and ran. If you were not moving you were an easy target.

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

American tank. Modified by British. Bought by Israel then modified. Bought by museum and painted American colours.

[@h9000]

According to Wikipedia, which may not be accurate, it was actually Israel that put the 17 pdr in the (presumably American) vehicles. Any chance this is correct and the reason why it has American markings?

[@SirMcMuffin]

Nope it was the british

[@jasonirwin4631]

A tracked identity crisis.

[@yanuchiuchihaanimegamesand3907]

The British put the 17 pdr in the vehicles during ww2, Israel didn't even exist back then And it should have stayed that way

[@MrBioniclefan1]

*colour is the original spelling from what I have been told. How ever it would have been funny if it went like this "Bought by museum and painted American colors."

[@kckey4535]

Old video but just FYI, I asked a good friend of mine who has access to the SABOT accuracy issues original documents. IE he developed kenetic munitions for the US military and is a history buff. His own munitions collection fills a bedroom and IIRC he has a 17pdr SABOT round in that collection. According to his research on the SABOT accuracy testing boiled down to flawed ammo being tested.. IE not up to specs. However the report came out before the spec issue was discovered which is why we see a lot of talk about how the 17pdr SABOT ammo is inaccurate. In reality the SABOT ammo was very accurate when the proper specs where followed while being manufactured. The SABOT ammo issued for combat use should have stressed the specs because the discovery of the Spec issue happened before the round went into production for military issue.

[@brainplay8060]

It wasn't just the Brits who had issues with sabot rounds. Early in the war, the US played with them for a while as did the Canadians. Both cases had issues with manufacturing not producing spec ammo. Remember that sabots require exceedingly perfect fitting otherwise the sabots would release the round unevenly. This happens a LOT when playing with new technologies or manufacturing processes. It looks on paper but then you have to figure out how to get lathe like quality with a lower end casting. The US gave up on it while the Canadians perfected it.

[@kckey4535]

@@brainplay8060 Very well put. Hense when the Brit 17pdr SABOT round was released for combat use, the manufacturing issues where ironed out.- I am going to walk back a bit because after thinking about it IIRC the some of the early APDS rounds where of earlier stock when issued which still had some manufacturing problems. These where the first batch issue which where rare. When the full production came on line the issues where sorted out. What baffles me is that the UK offered the SABOT rounds for the US 57mm guns, which is the Brit 6pdr round and the US refused them and went with the APCR instead which sacrificed penetration. The US relied on APCBC rounds and some APCR rounds. The 75mm Sherman had some HEAT rounds, but these did not offer much of anything the M61 round didnt.

[@brainplay8060]

@@kckey4535 HEAT rounds were fired out of a rifled chamber. Spin cancels out the penetrative effect as the explosion become dissapated. This is why all modern HEAT is fired from smoothbore and fin stabilized which doesn't spin. Fin stabilization really solved most ammo problems including sabot problems ironically. The spin just causes small irregularities to become increasingly noticeable.

[@soppybp]

My father was a radio operator/assistant driver in an Achilles (75th ATR, 11th Armoured Division). I'm not sure he would describe his experiences as being "along for the ride".

[@uberdice]

"Israelis, never happy with anything they get." Cheeky bants m8

[@ivx8345]

@Pk Suleiman you know Arab countries get way more right? All the while hating on the U.S. I might add.

For free at that.Still not happy, they demand American taxpayers subsidize their own arms manufacturing. That's shutzpah!

[@swesleyc7]

@@ivx8345 So let's cancel both?

[@edsonkidwell9813]

Many thanks for your videos to see these and imagine the way they where used. I've only been near a few. TANKS. Never inside sadly at 6ft 6. I appreciate all you efforts and sacrifice. You made in service of our country. TANKS FOR ALL YOUVE DONE sir

[@Handle423]

Could you do a inside the Chieftans Hatch IS-3? I really would like to see what the IS-3 looks like from the inside

[@AmazingAce]

+Sebastian Richter He probably wouldn't fit. xP

[@Handle423]

Amazing Ace XD

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

+Sebastian Richter We were going to do the one opposite this vehicle, but the turret got stuck :(

[@oinked]

+TheChieftainWoT Whats the point of the assistant driver in this then? I mean, what was his role and why not just have a 4 man crew rather than 5?

[@Handle423]

TheChieftainWoT Oh, that is unlucky

[@thegodd8155]

If at all possible (as i understand these episodes take a lot of work and thank you for that) but can you do an inside the archer episode?

[@tyler_bt3326]

They've got one in really good condition down at bovington so maybe...

[@tyler_bt3326]

They've got one in really good condition down at bovington so maybe...

[@bobthompson4319]

I'm glad someone can say sabot more closely than most. It should be said like sa-bow

[@butchs.4239]

What's funny is most people will pronounce sabot correctly when saying sabotage or saboteur.

[@garyzimmer4149]

GM 2 strokes could be made to rotate in either direction. LC and LA = Clockwise and Anticlokcwise. These videos are great. Please do more.

[@fredorman2429]

The 17 pounder safety looks like the same system used on the Russian Mosin-Nagant rifle in which the striker knob was simply pulled back and twisted out of the way, except that the Mosin-Nagant relied solely on spring tension and didn’t have a detent to hold it in position.

[@lucianene7741]

Great channel after all. Removes the legend and shows the reality of tanks. Subscribed.

[@San4311]

Thats one way to add 30 minutes to a project I am doing for school about Tank efficiency in WW1 and WW2. lol Cheers Nicholas.

[@tinycockjock1967]

How much did you get and where do you work now?

[@DC9622]

You have forgot Archer which replaced it, 44/45. I think you are under playing the 17Pounder, and the APDS round which was also available for the 6 pound AT gun, in Normandy it was the only Allies gun on para with the German long barrel 75 and the tigers 88. I think there was more to leaving the 76mm behind, than the message didn’t get to them. 1,678 M10 were delivered to the Commonwealth forces, who change out the 76mm for the 17 pounder. The 76mm you have to get within 500m to engage a tiger 1 or panther. They can be engaged by the 17 pounder 1200 meters, but accuracy drops beyond that. You don’t go to that trouble if there is nothing significantly wrong. The US did not rush in the M36 with the 90mm after Normandy if everything was rosy. I think it is the old not invented here syndrome from both sides. The numbers confirm, whilst the Panzer IV was the most numerous in Normandy about 900, followed by the Panther 650 and Stug 600. Total for all Tiger I and II in the Normandy Campaign: Tiger I - 123 received, 122 lost Tiger II - 47 received, 40 lost. We also know these faced the 21st army of the Canadians and British who faced 6 Panzer divisions whilst there were 2 in the US sector. So the 17 pounder was not half bad, given the number of Firefly’s went from 86 early June to over 200 by 31 July. The Northamptonshire Yeomanry engagement, 3 Tigers in 12 minutes by, a Firefly at range. The Firefly, is British mentality, make do and mend, the Cromwell version Challenger was not an overwhelming success, the Sherman solution not fantastic worked, the comet was better but too late, but the issue was not solved until Centurion which quickly went 20 pounder.

[@swsephy]

Oh hell yes! I'm supposed to be leaving right now but I can be a little late.

[@indoorkite651]

Same😜

[@Basicallybaltic]

“The Israelis, never happy with anything they get, modified it a bit” killed me for some reason😂

[@sissonsk]

Thanks for the video. As usual, it was saturated with information that I wouldn't get just by climbing around in any AFV. I enjoy these videos immensely.

[@0Zolrender0]

I really love The Chieftains talks. Very informative and through. I only like David Fletcher's "tank chats" better, but only by a smidgin.

[@Yeeren]

Cool, didn't know we had M10s. Then again IDF equipment in those days was "whatever we could get our hands on" so I wouldn't be amazed if at some point attempts were made to see if the Reynault FT-17 could be up-gunned with an American M3 gun.

[@CallanElliott]

I'd imagine if anyone could make it fit, it'd be you guys.

[@lkchild]

nice one! I guess the large breach explains why they went for such a big turret on the Challenger compared with this and the even smaller Firefly turret.

[@dennisswaim8210]

I knew eventually the Chieftain would have an answer to my question about whether there was a good HE round for the 17 pounder. He said yes but not til late in the war. So I guess the 75 mm was a superior HE round til a least 45 or so?

[@keithstudly6071]

Engines shown with valve covers off for some reason. It does let you see the 3 rocker arms. two for valves and one for the injector. If you have the covers off it's usually because you have a sticking injector that is not responding to the throttle movements.

[@bluefleet1655]

well can't wait for the t-95

[@Spearfisher1970]

Absolutely a great two-part episode. Thank you!

[@gerry343]

Not sure I'll be around for the next one if its got 'music'.

[@herringchoker01]

Nicholas: I really enjoyed the thorough treatment you gave this vehicle. What's often missing is a sense of what a piece of kit was like to work with, day-in day-out. Strengths and weaknesses of the vehicle, crew ergonomics and maintenance. Thanks for outstanding coverage of all of those.

[@Sleepy.Time.]

love these look at real tanks the Chief does

[@trejbiorgroup1713]

Chieftain: Achilles is probably the best anti tank vehicle from the WW2 Jagdpanther: are you sure?

[@paoloviti6156]

Interesting indeed! I can understand that the M-10 was built with economy in mind but why the turret was not powered as it was easily available as it would have made the life for the gunner much easier? I didn't know how difficult it was to climb up this vehicle! Good job again!

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Precisely for economy. The vehicle was supposed to be an interim one, and they didn't want to spend too much money where they felt they could get away with it.

[@tomnoack9593]

Do the Kingtiger for pete's sake! :(

[@therealborisjohnson8378]

Who’s Pete?

[@dwightehowell8179]

@@therealborisjohnson8378 You know. The kid with puff the magic dragon.

[@andylynx007]

They did it, but in 360°

[@Emtbtoday]

Hi Nicolas, I don't know if you'll still get notifications for these older video's but need help with the British m10 Achillies duckbill if you can? I know this is a mk2 I'm a modeller i do a heck of alot of research going into each build I've got the documents but not the photos to go with them and not got my books through yet but on this being IDF what else was changed in the turret? Them ready racks on the left are they original or idf mod? The fire extinguisher sitting upright this has it horizontal amd the footman loops inside are they ww2 or a mod the breach Gaurd is Definitely not original should be a folding wide plate that fold up on top of breach on 17 pounder Achillies m10 I'll Duckbill mk2c

[@nolster1]

These are great! I'd really like to binge-watch but I can't! BEE-da-da! BEE-da-da! Dah-da-da-da! The same music loops through ALL the videos! BEE-da-da! BEE-da-da! Dah-da-da-da! PLEASE! Mix it up a bit! BEE-da-da! BEE-da-da! Dah-da-da-da! I want to hear more Englishisms!

[@paulleclair8208]

yaaaaaaaaaaa,

[@Ally5141]

So, they saved weight on things like electrical traverse for gunner but put two engines into it?

[@andrewallason4530]

So, the Achilles’ Heel is really it’s head ( turret ). No overhead protection, poor gunner’s position / ergonomics and difficult traverse, but the rest of it seem pretty good for the era.

[@calebn4399]

After playing World of Tanks, referring to armor thickness in the Imperial system means nothing to me.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Caleb N anything imperial means nothing to me lol.

[@americanpanzer4163]

@James Miller 1 inch = 25.4 mm you imbecile

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@Kernal Scott 2 good pun ;)

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@Kernal Scott 2 ??

[@kevincostello3856]

Exactly

[@outlet6989]

Oh, you had some trouble getting on top of this tank, easy to see why. Talking about the crew seats: the tank designers seem to have forgotten to install seat belts, lap, and shoulder. And, for God's sake, no airbags. The production company said that they could offer the tank with optional power seats, but the Army said it would pass on that option. So if you want to be the driver, then shorter is better. Five feet six, or less, is excellent. If you want an automatic transmission, then have a German design your tank. After this review, do the SNUG III.

[@kingofhogwarts9499]

M10s might not be the Best Tanks/Tankdestroyers around and it has a few too much flaws for my taste (Lacking Turretdrive, Mg, bad hatch placing) but dam it looks so cool! Especially with the 17-Pounder.

[@Spartans5499]

please do a video of the M3 Lee/Grant

[@legionofthedamned157]

Dam he is one big man, look how small that driving position is

[@Blockhaj]

Could u do a video for a japanese tank?

[@korvtm]

Your mentioning both the LA and LC engine used in this vehicle leads me to a question.First, as you know, Detroit Diesel engines can be set up to run clock wise or counter clock wise,so do you know if the engines in this vehicle were set up that way? That may explain why the parts were labeled for LA or LC engine.There is a lot of parts commonality between the two engines but there are also parts that are only used on an LA or LC engine.

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

That is possible, but I haven't looked it up.

[@johnturnbull5971]

my grandpa was a crew member on a m10 and they are counter rotating that's why the LC & LA

[@johnturnbull5971]

the transfer case corrected the output to the transmission

[@tekis0]

I really, really, really love this series!! Having said that, did he really say that this was, "the best self-propelled anti-tank gun of the war..."? Does that count the Russian and German models?

[@peterson7082]

+tekis0 Well its arguable, going between the history of the old SU-76, the history of the SU-85, the M18 Hellcat, and the German Jagdpanther and StuG, they are the best.

[@tekis0]

+Nathan Peterson Okay. I've been into military history for a very long time, and I've hardly ever heard mention of the Hellcat.

[@stevenbreach2561]

@@tekis0 you've been reading the wrong books,try"Hellcat"

[@themangix357]

How do Achilles and M10 tank crews dealt with winter?? Since it's open topped.

[@Handle423]

There was probably a heater inside the Tank, or just the Warmth of the Engine

[@tyler_bt3326]

They sometimes carried a canvas roof on the back and I'm pretty sure they would be heated

[@JWQweqOPDH]

+ApexPredator_ I'm pretty sure there were many infantry that had to ride around on the open bed of trucks, and just like this tank they might get a canvas to block the wind.

[@fireshorts5789]

+ApexPredator_ Probably about the same way the boys in the trenches in Bastogne would have done it, though they'd at least have the warmth of the engine unless they were in a concealed position. Could have also used a soft cover for the turret though probably not unless they were under heavy snowfall.

[@MrGeorocks]

+ApexPredator_ They froze. The metal of the vehicle would freeze and so would anyone inside. The engine would only stay warm for so long and they couldn't leave it running because that might give away their position and they had to conserve fuel. They would get out and try to stay warm just like regular infantry by using a fire if allowed and blankets if not. The canvas cover would be useful against the rain and keeping snow out of the fighting compartment.

[@r.u.s.e3586]

"It is probably fair to say that the 17pdr Achilles was the best self propelled anti tank gun of the war until the M36 Jackson" Um...M18?

[@aewhatever]

Having an open top always bugged me because both men and equipment were exposed to the elements, other then that canvas top which I'm sure helped out a great deal

[@derekbaker3279]

Also, the crew was exposed to deadly above-ground shell bursts (which the Germans were particular adept at delivering). I know that additional armour for a makeshift roof was added to M10s & M36s, but I do not know if the Brits and/or Canadians & other Commonwealth nations, and/or Polish did the same.

[@myfavoritemartian1]

Tank killers always amaze me.

[@marcus2944]

5:00 that gunner is having too much fun...

[@WildBillCox13]

Fun! The gunner is an integral part of the weapon system, so it's strange that the ergonomics are so unfavorable for his position. One might expect the designers to be especially careful when making sure that turret traverse is easy to accomplish and that the gunner's traverse controls do not interfere, one with the other. On the plus side, the manufacturers made an awful lot of money, so who cares about the crew? They're just people . . . it's not like they're more valuable than profit.

[@FlaviaPitariu]

it is an Israeli modification. the initial controls seen in the old footage seem rather good. Though I wasn't there to attest the reality. I want a revalorise video!

[@bobthompson4319]

I thought it was who ever seen who first wins because that usually means you shoot first. At least that's how it works in aircraft

[@mariebcfhs9491]

why do you have to use 2 engines?

[@refealibazeta7886]

Nice open turret for throwing grenades in. Lol!

[@lafeelabriel]

Also, Nick, I am kind of surprised you didn't take the chance to debunk on camera the long standing myth that is this tank's nickname of Wolverine.

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

+Lafeel Abriel Hmm. Fair point. But I did list the British names at the beginning of Pt 1

[@lafeelabriel]

+TheChieftainWoT That you did, and it is a very nice video either way^^

[@46bovine]

Tanks a lot (I just had to say that). I enjoy this series. I don't play Wot but I do enjoy your series. What happens when you have done all the tanks?

[@foorene]

The tank it self well become bath top, if heavy rain or run into deep lake hehe

[@MrHummermark69]

would be nice if you did a ww2 spec m10 17 pounder the hand traverse is the opposite side to the side you say it is. The 50 call mount is also not correct for m10 there is a mount that only the m10 used for the 50 call. Transmission /engine clutches are the only clutches . Transmission is not a full synchronised transmission.

[@robertjohnson8938]

Good info

[@dmorrison7774]

In re: traverse on un level ground “I cannot test”....how about a couple jacks on one side?

[@FiauraTheTankGirlGamer]

Hmmm...wonder if I could drive it then, I'm smaller than the chieftain for sure.

[@johnnyrocket5285]

Did you do a German puma?

[@daveduffy7254]

For those of us with bad hearing (mine mostly due to military service), turn up the music at the beginning and the end. Turn off the music when the guy is talking! Background noise is distracting and pointless. Why do you need music if someone has something interesting to say? It's like a guy who takes a date to a loud restaurant because he knows he's boring and doesn't have anything a woman wants to hear (to remedy that, practice a few interesting life stories, learn a few jokes, and listen more in a quiet restaurant).

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Dave Duffy most women don't have anything interesting to say either. Loud restaurants are awesome to remedy boring conversations that until it is time to get jiggy :). I'l go to quit restaurants with friends who actually have interesting things to say..... I'm guessing you haven't dated in a while lol. There is a reason there are lot of those loud restaurants around everywhere and why they are so popular.

[@iskandartaib]

Any idea of what they did with the 1000 or so 76.5mm guns they took out of the 17 pdr. conversions? Sounds like a waste to just melt them down...

[@winstonchurchill237]

Hwo on earth did the germans plan to get the long 88mm in a smaller panther turret?

[@dwightehowell8179]

While I do understand the reason they didn't put an armored top on this thing I still don't understand why nobody bothered to put a metal frame over the top or at least some removable supporting rods and provide a tarp cover to keep things halfway dry during driving freezing rain and snow. A nice crust of ice and this thing doesn't work.

[@miketownsend6163]

Why do a lot of the older tanks have a siren?

[@manutd19880728]

Hmmm. The best anti tank? What about the Jagdpanther? 😉

[@johnderdak2784]

Please do the M3 Lee

[@ethanrowland3671]

does anyone know what music this is i love it :)

[@__chevytrucks__]

I still wonder, how did the archer come along?

[@Darilon12]

Slowly in reverse... I guess 😂

[@1611Miko]

If you can do the Panther next!

[@bobthompson4319]

The safety is like a mosin nagant lol

[@k.alasad9600]

Wargaming can you please do an episode on Object 279, the nuclear proof tank 😊

[@meredtih4927]

Do the IS-3

[@RyanDoesMinecraft100]

What museum is this?

[@ethanrowland3671]

bovington tank museum maybe

[@RyanDoesMinecraft100]

+magical pineapple Doesn't look like it. Bovington is waaay bigger

[@RyanDoesMinecraft100]

Kabuki Kitsune I've heard about it. Thank you for telling me which one it is :D

[@gings4ever]

question though: what made the early 17 pdr APDS(?) that terribad? it lost velocity easily?

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

+ZeKeR “ZiK” BaNaaG It was unstable. Turned out to be something to do with the sabot petal separation at higher velocities

[@HankLoremonger]

Yeah, at any real distance it had really bad drop. Don't know the specific numbers though.

[@KingAlpaca]

0:26 As Israeli, this is 100% correct.

[@pershing6116]

I'd love to buy that Pershing. How does $20 sound?

[@Bochi42]

Love the series but god that music is annoying.

[@Fish-kz8xw]

He said HE, but what i hear is HeyChi

[@spearshaker7974]

I only do fine lays.

[@garethjames1300]

Tanks built for the young fit and shirt lol gotta admire tankers

[@stefanshumaker3273]

Tankers were/are a bit less tall!

[@josephlilley9249]

I wouldn't want to be in a seat down inside that thing if we got shot lol, especially if the gun was to the front therefore sealing any way out for the driver especially if you couldn't turn the turret. Edit: I see there is an escape hatch now lol

[@BespokeBandit]

Keep doing British vehicles!

[@paulcosentino1140]

That gunners position is horrible. I wonder how long the people in charge of that decision had their job

[@BespokeBandit]

What is the theme song used in these videos called?

[@martinusvanbrederode4080]

Annoying.

[@thomaslinton1001]

"Hach E" ? (It's Treaty of "Ver sigh.")

[@dicniancian]

What's the BGM

[@robertpayne2717]

It would be nice if there was a surviving example of a Nazi captured T-34 so we could see what Modifications the Nazi's did to them.

[@thomaslinton1001]

Driver Cooker. MK I

[@nightowl5713]

Apart from the object 268, IS-6 and Maus tanks does anyone know if there is any other tier 10 tanks he can have a look at around the world

[@sirmoke9646]

JS-4, JS-7, Batchat, 50B, T-62, Centurion, Leo, Foch, some of the sky cancer, t110 series(?), AMX 30, STB, M48

[@HaloPlay100]

Illustrious at least 5 of the vehicles he mentioned do exist, IIRC.

[@alphaadhito]

+L Ys I think only the mediums really exist. Correct me if I'm wrong

[@HaloPlay100]

Alpha Adhito IS4 limited production, IS7 prototype in Kubinka, Foch entered production, T110 series has a prototype predating the T95. 50B has a prototype, nearly entered production. The heavies and TDs listed existed.

[@alphaadhito]

+L Ys Sorry, i mean only all medium line in game that really exist, eh?.. Wait, nope, Skoda and and BatChat? Hmmm, I take my words back

[@ExterminLord]

strange that a tank destroyer has manual traverse

[@SolyomSzava]

+Ex Angel Also, beside firing first, these would be farther away from the target than a regular tank engagement. That means that the same amount of traverse would cover a bigger arc of the horizon. If any proper tank got close enough, these things were bones usually anyway, slow turret traverse or not.

[@HankLoremonger]

5:59 What about the Hellcat? :(

[@roboticrebel8153]

never had the 90mm

[@semiedgv]

There were prototypes, but it was too late before they could be put in use.

[@HankLoremonger]

No I just meant that I thought that the Hellcat was a good contender for the title. Sure it only had a 76mm but it was so dam fast and agile it killed a crapton of stuff. It had the best kill ratio of any tank destroyer on the Western front.

[@seanthompson8071]

What about the SU-100? Great, reliable chassis, high velocity 4" gun!

[@LucasdeKam]

Would be awesome if you actually drove the tank :D

[@bobthompson4319]

In that case it would be super awesome if he got to fire the gun

[@Galacalactus]

Ill guess you are 6'5" maybe

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Good guess

[@alpteknbaser7773]

🙏👏

[@Halinspark]

Is there some sort of conversion we can use for the archaic measuring system of British gun sizes? 2pdr, 6pdr, 17pdr, etc. are quite difficult to compare to the other guns.

[@Kyle-gw6qp]

There'd be no real point. The 6pdr was 57mm but had very high pressure and was therefore better at armour penetration than the American 75mm. The 17pdr was 76mm but was very high pressure and was therefore better at armour penetration than the American 90mm.

[@Halinspark]

@@Kyle-gw6qp The point, as you just demonstrated, is to know how the pressure and penetration values compare to guns of similar calibers. A lot of us don't know what the calibers ARE, because we don't classify our ammo by shot weight.