Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Kanonenjagdpanzer, Pt 2.

And finishing up the KaJaPa. I have been told since filming that there was supposed to be a second seat for the gunner, attached on an arm to the main gun so at least it would travel left and right with it. However, the sight is still extremely low, especially in elevation.
This is a Wargaming-Paid video,. The link if you want to start playing and attribute it to these videos (as mentioned towards the end) is tanks.ly/WoTChieftain

[@ThePerfectRed]

He forgot the REALLY MAIN purpose of that floor hatch: To take a pee.

[@cobalt2361]

ah, the peepeepoopoo hatch

[@timex513]

That's a big hole. It can take a deuce and half through it.

[@forestalfrank1074]

Looks like someone got greasy fingers on the gun and tried to wiped it off on the pannel.

[@HanSolo__]

@@forestalfrank1074 My grandpa told me "you could be sure soviets are around cuz the 111s showed in toilets" I asked "What's the 111?" and he said, "... they did not know the toilet paper and used finger, so the 111 was three stages of wiping out the finger on toilet wall". Front, side, and another side of the finger.

[@cobalt2361]

There's a suspiciosly "bloody human handprint" looking stain in front of the gunner there...

[@hpoelies]

If you take a look at the top of the travel-lock for the gun, you can see that the oil? is the same colour, it could just have been grimey fingers... Or an emotional event of some kind.

[@cobalt2361]

@@hpoelies a significant emotional event

[@hpoelies]

@@cobalt2361 I did leave the "significant"-part open on purpose ;)

[@lukas199898]

Lul thats grease

[@Cybrludite]

"I don't see why it's so secure." Zombies, obviously.

[@herosstratos]

Cybrludite Driving under water.

[@tiranli8164]

Aliens “

[@NO_LOVE_LOST]

My dad commanded one of these during his time in the army. His unit started with M48s and he hated it because he found it uncomfortable to operate and move in, but the KaJaPa was very well liked by him and his crew because of the space and well designed interior.

[@cjlize]

9

[@kilincoons1993]

10

[@lmbfrank]

You should consider a T-shirt that says some variation of, "...Schtuff."

[@PTCello]

Franklin Kerr that would be “schtoff”

[@lok3kobold]

Its such a change to see these lovely post-world war vehicles, you can tell they have matured and had lots of experience from things like the mark 4 and the jagdpanzer 38t in how to make the most of a smaller vehicle and had time to design and test it without a mustached gentleman screaming at you to build the damn thing already

[@jidk6565]

Yo, awesome comment Just change "gentleman" to Raging Sociopath and it'd be perfect

[@supasoljas7824]

I'd personally say Jagdpanzer IV over the 38t, but yeah, it is wild to see things like that

[@Laurelinad]

@@jidk6565 not to mention austrian import good ... a foul one i'd argue :D

[@JaneCobbsHat]

This eye dominance test trick is brilliant. I never knew I was left eye dominant. Things you learn watching tanks.

[@Magicannon_]

You don't even need a second person. Do the triangle thing with your hands with a distant object, but keep your hands a bit away from your face. Now, bring your hands towards yourself keeping the object centered. Your triangle will end up in front of your dominant eye.

[@DrLoverLover]

@@Magicannon_ you just need a finger. And a brain

[@jshicke]

I am left eye dominate, which sucks, as I am blind in my left eye.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

I'm right eye dominate if I did the test correctly.

[@Rilder269]

I'm extremely left eye dominant and right handed which is annoying for shooting rifles since I just outright can't aim a gun with my right eye.

[@TheCreative01e]

It’s so badass they they have both the Kanonen Jadgpanzer and the Raketen Jadgpanzer. They are such cool pieces and I’m sad I missed it in my first watch through

[@Cancun771]

It's basically an armored RV with a big antitank gun. Makes you wonder if any of my fellow Bundeswehr mates had a meth lab in one of those back in the day, or at least an illicit distillery. A word on pronunciation though, the 'a' in 'jagd' is basically the same vowel as the 'a' in 'Kanone', only long. Otherwise we would spell it "Jäigdpanzer".

[@cursedcliff7562]

as a slav all this englis and german is braining my hurt

[@vukashin88]

Djordje Oljaca German has very similar phonetics to Slavic languages. English is the culprit here.

[@ludaMerlin69]

@@vukashin88 English is germannic. You know... the Angles.

[@Cancun771]

@@ludaMerlin69 THAt guy looks suspiciously like a JUTE to me...

[@ScottKenny1978]

I would expect a distillery.

[@luisnunes2010]

"I can be seated while I kill the enemies of my country..." I'm sold. The armor, though... dicey.

[@gittyupalice96]

Anything can be up-armored, by welding or bolting applique armor where needed. But that makes you slower, this thing will do about 40mph cruising or possibly 50mph if you push it.

[@mbr5742]

@@gittyupalice96 The "armored vest" applied to the Jaguar missile "half brothers" (TOW and HOT variants) is not that heavy. Similar to the one used by Leopard 1 in the A2 and A5 versions

[@martinpollak7039]

At 18:16 it's a depth gauge behind the commanders position...it's a uboat.

[@PanzerDave]

18:32 What, no the tank is on fire?!

[@Feiora]

been gone for awhile now...

[@nonamesplease6288]

There wold be nothing left to be on fire if the KaJaPa was hit by a Soviet MBT round. I believe that this under armoured, undergunned obsolescence would distribute itself over the surrounding countryside along with its crew.

[@PanzerDave]

@@nonamesplease6288 Perhaps, but perhaps not. There have been a number of times where a main gun round has gone right through a lightly armored vehicle, doing no damage in the process. Granted, a few things need to occur for this to happen, chiefly the hatches have to be open (due to over pressurization if buttoned up) and the round can't have hit anything of importance. When I was at the NTC, one our APCs was hit by a 105mm main gun round and the vehicle was fully combat capable, albeit with two holes in it. The occupants where somewhat combat ineffective for a while since their bell was rung rather well, but they were not hurt. There have been a number of documented cases of this happening in combat. One in particular I recall was on the Golan Heights, when an enemy round (115mm as I recall) went right through the turret. I think it was a Super Sherman but I am not 100% sure. The end result was the nothing of importance was hit. The crew, minus the gunner bailed out and the gunner remained and continued to shoot at the enemy. Of course, he was loading and then climbing back into the gunner's seat to shoot. Granted, the odds are good that your original statement would be the end result!!

[@DrLoverLover]

Its not a tank

[@PanzerDave]

@@DrLoverLover It just doesn't sound the same if he says The AFV is on fire!

[@andreaskampmiller7756]

At kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYDRmZx9hLuWg6c you can see two gauges, a red lever and a black sticker. The left gauge (white) says "Tauchtiefe", and it means "diving depth", and it scales up to 6m (meter). And on the black sticker you can see the manual for the red lever. The arrow pointing to the right, as does the lever, explains it as "Tiefwaten / Tauchen", or "wade deep / diving" in english. Perfect hiding place: 6 meter below the waterline. No one will expect a KanJPz (the official abbreviation, btw) there. Seriously, "deep wading" is a function a few modern german tanks can do, for example the Leopard 2. The idea is to cross a river without the need to build a bridge.

[@MGB-learning]

Outstanding video and presentation as always.

[@lucajohnen6719]

I love that I recently saw one of the old videos where the whole comment section was just about how god aweful the background music is and the thought you might have kept it out of pure spite is warming my heart

[@MaggieLRSplusman65]

looking forward to the next film. Love them all

[@melangellatc1718]

Oh, before the alcohol kicks in..... More room inside because of less armor.... Just more room. Claus Kellerman! "I am died!!!"

[@thunderstorm8926]

I’d really like to see the Polish TKS armed with a NKM WZ.38 FK20MM auto cannon . The same type commanded by Edmond Roman Orlik . He was the first tank ace of the war with ten confirmed kills. It’s amazing how this tank and man are ignored.

[@smallwonder843]

As always, excellent 😁👍🏼

[@niclyx7970]

My college archery club did that eye dominant test too. I was told off for telling a newcomer about it before they took the test themselves.

[@xwormwood]

Great video, thank you!

[@mettahuttravels3183]

Thank you for your hard work.Always interesting but I would still like to know what type of medical equipment you guys carried & whose responsible for first aid while on tour...

[@russwoodward8251]

A very nice restoration. Thanks Wargaming for producing this video, thank you Chieftain for the research, travel time and excellent narration. Now that I own WOT and WOT Blitz, I'm going to have to explore other Wargaming games.

[@yuriyromaniw6629]

"They left the manual. Awesome!"

[@joeyc818]

Hi I found you from Ian mcullums channel and just subbed your content is super cool

[@wolftreu533]

Nicholas is missing the gunners fighting seat in that tank. That's why the position makes little sense. The gunner was swiveling around with the gun.

[@DornishVintage]

As there's a depth gauge (Tauchtiefe) at the commander's position, could it be that the hatch locking mechanisms are so overdone in order to make it waterproof when fording? (Presumably, completely submerged).

[@GeorgHaeder]

The hatch mechanism is the same as the one of the old Leo 1, it was used for tiefwaten (fording) and also used to overpressurize the vehicle as it had nbc protection, rudimentary compared with modern vehicles but for the time when it was developed it was quite modern tho. The Leo2 still uses a similar hatch mechanism. KaJaPa's did fording, but I've never seen one doing a real dive fully submerged albeit they were able to do so, back in the days Leo1 and Leo2 did it sometimes which was impressive to watch, tbh.

[@darthcalanil5333]

So the manual says you should load it full premium gold ammo 😂😂

[@axelmilan4292]

And even then all you hear is "we didn't even scratch them"

[@KermitTheGamer21]

Reminds me of how the T32 was designed to fire nothing but APCR from its 90mm gun

[@zafranorbian757]

Who at this Br. doesn´t use HEAT-FS as their basic ammo if their tank has it.

[@builder396]

In War Thunder the problem is similar. Better ammo gets unlocked as a module, and you start out with an atrocious APCR round that penetrates nothing (along with standard HE) and even if it miraculously does, it does minimal damage. Then you get HESH, which is hilariously destructive if you aim for roofs of turrets or other thinner plates with complete disregard for impact angle, and HEAT-FS which is probably the optimum round to go for. And APCBC rounds with HE filler, which other tanks with that gun get, are for no apparent reason not given at all. In fact, APCR was so atrocious, that at one point I had a long range shootout with a Object 906 (basically a PT-76 with a 85mm gun and new turret, almost no armor), and after APCR proved utterly ineffective at dealing with that I actually switched to my limited supply of HE rounds (listed penetration 13mm, all angles and ranges) and my first hit just nailed him.

[@Wladislav]

What a comfy vehicle.

[@BillHalliwell]

G'day Nicholas, Great pair of videos in this offering. Fantastic to see you in an 'old' tank with plenty of personal room for you and, presumably, large German and Belgian tankers. The manual? You read German? Or just looking at the pictures? Adore your invention of the 'German' word, "Schtuff". Outstanding, just like Shakespeare, if you don't have the right word, invent one! Thanks, mate. Cheers, BH

[@telankiristyssylinteriasetelma]

Note about the gunners sight: with most modern gunners sights you can absolutely aim with the "wrong eye" I was a CV90 gunner, the sight was designed for shooting with right eye but I preferred using the left, just have to press your head against the head rest differently.

[@roymuerlunos2426]

21:39 : What happens when you put a tanker in a tank destroyer? ... Ow Hopefully this won't dissuade The Chieftain from climbing into a JagdPanther at a later date

[@chrissanchez9935]

Amazing!

[@PeterKreft]

I want to share some of my experiences as a tank driver with you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanonenjagdpanzer I will call it the tank because using Kanonenjagdpanzer all the time gets tedious.... First thing, tanks do NOT feel like cars. Driving them is much more akin to a sledge ride. After all you have two really big skids (as long as the road protectors are mounted). So, driving on a snow covered road is a nightmare. Stepping on the brake means turning your beautiful 20+ tons tank into a really big sledge. Of course, if you get rid of the rubber pads (which are the first things removed in an emergency) the tank gets serious and the road gets demolished. You have nothing comparable to the road feel you have in a car. The vibration from the engine and the massive weight negate any feedback you would have in a standard, 4 wheeled, car. But still, driving it is fun, our tanks (tuned by a very creative maintenance unit) did up to 80 km/h on roads and not much less cross country. Extremely low power to weight ratio, but as you can guess, no armor to speak of. We were fighting from prepared, concealed positions, firing a few shots then going full speed reverse to the next prepared position. Since I was stationed on the Netherlands border, there was not very much room for this kind of fighting. We were hoping for the Leo II to do its job in the Fulda gap, so we would not have to do ours..... The driver’s position can only be compared with that in a small sports car. Very low sitting position, legs stretched, small steering wheel (YES, no brake levers, a real wheel). Generally there are only two types of controls in a tank. The extremely basic brake levers (where you have two long levers, which you pull towards you to brake the corresponding track) and a steering wheel just like in a car. Turning cycle was directly dependent on the chosen gear. In first you could turn on a dime, literally. If you moved the wheel full to left or right one track would move forward, the other backwards, turning you on the spot. You could also get the full speed reverse, which was important to leave a position as fast as possible, but since the drivers vision to the back was exactly nil (I really don’t count the mirrors which vibrated so much that you could only see light or dark), you were totally dependent on the tank commander who would “try” to tell you when to turn in any direction. The higher the gear the lower the turn radius, so that you would always gear down if you have to turn around corners. Especially driving through towns was a nightmare (as in every tank) because cars and trucks are extremely fragile (see video at the end), seen from a tank drivers point of view, not to mention the beloved "throw the curb" game, a track can play... (a tank tread is powerful enough to rip out a curb stone and throw it on anything that follows behind.) When you press the accelerator, at first nothing happens, then you hear a loud clang, when the wading valve of the exhaust is forcefully opened (most tanks are capable of driving through rivers, some can even immerse and cross the river on the floor of the riverbed. A wading valve keeps the water from entering the exhaust system), and then some 20 liters of Mercedes Diesel show you the true meaning of torque. Driving cross country is the purest joy of driving, I ever felt. It is so exhilarating that you have to do it, to understand it. It’s a bit like in a speedboat, only overland. This tank is extremely fast. It throws earth like a snowplough if the consistency is right. The only encounter of the third kind I had, was, when a MAN 7t gl 6x6 truck tried to overtake me cross country - there is a reason why these trucks were driven on the Paris-Dakar rally. The combat aspects are less glaring, after all it’s only an old American anti tank gun (of M26 fame), that was already long in its teeth when the tank was designed, even worse during my days. You could combat the older soviet tanks (T54-5, T-62) against the T-72 onward only a lucky hit could help you. The ammo types were HEAT and HESH, no KE ammo available. So any vehicle with Chobham or reactive armor was safe from our ministrations. Also the low hull was a problem (as it was a boon when hiding), giving only a very low view position for the commander. His position was equipped with a 360 periscope with up to 8x magnification, but it was only 20 cm higher than the tank itself. The gunner had NO gadgets whatsoever available, only a monocular with an ancient targeting system, no laser or similar toys. You had to measure the dimensions of an enemy tank via markings in the lens and calculate the range in your head - this tank was made long before the event of the electronic calculator.... we are talking early 60ies technology. Funny enough my training made me an expert for WW2 tanks, because of the similar systems. Maybe the fact that the training of tank crews in Germany, had not really changed from those "other" days, did help, too. The "Zielansprache" has not changed a bit. "2 o`clock, enemy MBT, range 1.000 meters. 1 shot Quetschkopf (HESH) fire free" "Loaded" "Fire" clang. And then the loud howling noise from the tank commander who did forget to pull his left foot back, because the empty shell had a tendency to land exactly on the spot where the tip of the foot usually was. Inside the tank you do not really hear the gun sound, because the interior is overpressured during firing, so that the fumes are blown out of the barrel, instead of polluting the interior. The only other tank I did drive was the M-113, which was the vessel of choice for training aspiring tank drivers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113_armored_personnel_carrier This tank, made from Aluminium alloys is actually capable of swimming. You just have to switch the board on the front 90°, so that it can work like a ships bow (else the water would swamp the drivers hatch) and go ducky. The driving school used the mortar carrier version, because its centre of gravity was much lower. It’s unbelievably easy to topple an M-113 because it is rather high and the engine is mounted in the front above the tracks, so the mortar version with its heavy mounting in the centre of the troop compartment made it a much safer vehicle. Driving the M-113 is worlds apart from the luxurious Jagdpanzer. You have a gas pedal and 2 brakes. That’s it. Each track is braked separately by pulling on the "Lenkbremshebel". When one track runs slower than the other, the tank is going to veer in that direction. This works, after a fashion, but the problem is real braking. Since most people are right handed, the right arm is usually stronger, which means that you will instinctively brake the right track stronger than the left, making the vehicle pull to the right when doing a brake manoeuvre. That’s no real problem cross country, but on a road it is. These civilian cars are so incredibly fragile. This video is in German, the interesting part starts at 2:06 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqe7YWauiNCnbLM

[@wolftreu533]

I liked your post quite a bit. In 1974 I did a stint in a PzJgKp in Schleswig-Holstein. Was there only 5 weeks to rejoin the army after an apprenticeship. I have only the best memories of that time. After all we only played cowboys and Indians, so armour protection was no consideration. I never drove it of course. Didn't have a license back than. I rejoined in a recon unit with HS 10s. Hotchkiss with even less armour. Btw Nicholas is missing the gunners fighting seat in that tank. That's why the position makes little sense. The gunner was swiveling around with the gun. I've met Nicholas in Sydney a few years ago at a World of Tanks function. Nice man, very humble. I'd like to see him in a Hotchkiss though. We had to step outside to change our minds.

[@iggysfriend4431]

The look like a good candidate to be converted into a tank recovery vehicle.

[@mbr5742]

To light (below 25to) for the standard vehicles (Marder IFV, Leopard 1, M47 and M48) of the time. Plus the germans had the excellent Leopard 1 "do everything" platform for that job (They have a Recovery vehicle and combat engineering vehicle on the platform)

[@snonsig2688]

I'd love an episode on the Sd.Kfz 234/4

[@Hi_Buddy-cw6pl]

“ I can sit and kill the enemies of my country” The chieftain, 2020

[@rexmcstiller4675]

Theoreticly you can stock up your storage thro the belly hatch.

[@The_Ninedalorian]

It sucks everytime i play my Kanonenjagdpanzer 105 because i end up having to "OMG The Tank is on Fire"

[@thomasborgsmidt9801]

Et is interesting to me, as the vehicles were clapped together in just 2 years (production run). It is not a bad vehicle apparently. What I think happened with this tin box was they had a lot of 90 mm. ammunition of quite good quality; but not up to tank standards. So all in all it would have been cheap to produce, and the guns and ammunition were free in so far, as they had allready been bought. In this way a reasonable and fast road vehicle could be available to reservists - at a very affordable price! I can't help but surmise that that idea still has a lot going for it. There must be lots of unemployed 105 mm L7 guns out there - and prodigious amounts of ammunition - it is allways the ammunition that costs money - as in: Real money: D-marks at the time. Economical diesels abound. If you can build some of the best trucks - you can build a very good tank destroyer. It is to a large extend the StuG idea: Lose the turret and things get very much easier.

[@herosstratos]

Thomas Borgsmidt Er was toen een ontwikkeling van een nieuwe Duitse 90mm pak. Maar die ging niet door, te zwaar en te duur. Dus de productie van KaJaPa. En: de M48 90mm was in gebruik in Duitsland tot de jaren 80.

[@KermitTheGamer21]

Apparently there were plans drawn up in the 80s to refit the Kanonenjagdpanzer with the L7 but it never happened

[@herosstratos]

KermitTheGamer Fitting such a long gun as the L7 in the KaJaPa isn't realy feasable, it would protrude at very low height a long distance from the front of the vehicle. Try to move cross country or through a forest with it, or even on road going 70 km/h.

[@builder396]

@@herosstratos Yup. It would be a SU-100 or SU-122P all over again. Overhang galore. Besides, they were already using the same vehicles for ATGMs anyway, which were more effective, so in a sense they were upgunned...just not with a gun.

[@herosstratos]

builder396 The Jaguar was far more expensive and no night fighting capability, and the rate of fire of the KaJaPa was far higher. For engaging T-55s he was good enough.

[@edselboston3452]

It seems to me since the machine guns are in the main gun housing they would be useless most of the time . If the gun is elevated at all the machine guns are pointed up as well

[@mbr5742]

If you use the MG - something went wrong. These are ambush hunters

[@FT099]

This is literally the roomiest interior I have ever seen.

[@andypanda4927]

History ques.: 1) which nation 1st to use 'throat mic 2) when was 'throat mic 1st in wide use, WW-2? 3) Is 'throat mic tech still in use anywhere you know of?

[@GIITW.5OKC]

Any idea what that item was that fell on Nick's head when he tried to open the TC's hatch? I kept thinking periscope because it was all glowey but I know that isn't the case as much as I wish.

[@SuperSebbe96]

Looks like a lamp of some sort.

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Light used for filming

[@readhistory2023]

I agree with you on the 240 vs the 50. With the 240 you can hit what you're shooting at even in indirect fire mode. You can hit targets well beyond the effective range as lobg as you have a spotter. The m2 is only fires vaguely in the enemy's general direction even with a spotter and requiring the target takes longer. They should up grade to a mini gun.

[@PanzerDave]

Why suffer from the tyranny of OR when you can have the genius of AND! I liked both weapons, and had both!!

[@readhistory2023]

@@PanzerDave You must have had more trigger time than we/I did or you're a better shot than most I served with.

[@massmike11]

I found hitting with the M2 very simple. Maybe the ones you fired were shot out?

[@ScottKenny1978]

The ones you had must have been shot out, because several people have successfully shot individual people at well over 1500m. Starting with troops in Korea, but most famously by Gunny Hathcock.

[@justforever96]

​@@ScottKenny1978yes, but have you ever read how many shots it took him to finally hit his target? The only thing an M2 has going for it is that the bullets do actually travel that far. It is a machine gun, not a sniper rifle. It shoots like a machine gun. If you try to enough times to hit at 500yds with your .22LR you probably will eventually, it weeks be pretty foolish to tthen go around telling everyone how the .22 is "good out to 500 yds". because it's not.

[@ekibarthenid]

you mentioned the loaders hatch being of an unnecessary twist closure,, just wondered if this was for some snorkel attatchment?

[@PNurmi]

The loaders hatch reminds me of the scuddle hatches on the Navy ships I served on.

[@jimdavis1576]

@@RFTL So... it could go 6 meters under water?!? Would be a shame to get stuck in the mud at that depth, you would probably never get the hatches open.

[@vukashin88]

Jim Davis except the belly hatch.

[@ColonelSandersLite]

@@jimdavis1576 You could probably open the breech on the gun, let the pressure equalize, then open the top hatches.

[@justforever96]

Scuttle

[@jtem9313]

Is it just me, or does that look really roomy for a tank?

[@PieterBreda]

I thought I had watched this a week ago

[@wildonemeister]

You could have as it has been double "posted" on two channels, but if you can't remember then watching it again won't hurt :P

[@typxxilps]

The rubber pin are a night mare if you have to exchange them ... it is a lot of really hard work. The hatch was a new solution to avoid injuries from levers hitting a head ... after been hit by a mine or shrapnel or in heavy terrain and movemens inside. Has a reason to make it more complicated but for better safety. Safety had been a reason for the sophisticated german WW2 tanks ... not cheap and easy to repair and replace. Most expensive is a crew you lost and have to train again. 50.000 sherman versus 2000 tiger families equation ... Likelihood to survive after a hit was higher in any german tiger tank. They were lost mostly by self destroyment for abandoning.

[@Baldur1975]

That the Belgian had night vision glasses and the Germans didn't have a simple reason: The Russians drive through Germany on the first day. They arrive in Belgium in the evening.

[@herosstratos]

Norrin Radd Nice, but the KaJaPa had image intensifiers for driver and loader and IR sighting.

[@Baldur1975]

@@herosstratos Mann , das war ein Witz

[@MrDgwphotos]

What's the box to the right hand side of the commander's position (left hand from the camera position during that part of the video)?

[@flexabu]

Looks like a hydrostatic transmission, like in a backhoe.

[@malusignatius]

@The_Chieftain, there was a white dial behind you in the commander's seat, any idea what it was?

[@catfish552]

There's a closeup at 18:16. It's a depth gauge for deep wading and diving.

[@melangellatc1718]

These were actually sneaky little bastards at Hohenfels if you ever had the opportunity to cross train with the Germans. They were small and fast. I'm pretty sure the 90mm would fuck an M1A1's day up in the engine deck and a Bradley anywhere!!! Geez, with a 105 and thermals (on an articulated sight of course), they would be scary even to 72's/64's! I really would have like to have known what the tube looking stuff was to your left while in the TC's seat and what the round hatch thingies beside your right knee were.

[@tankolad]

So Nick, what do you think of its operational usefulness? It seems to be a very strange vehicle. As a casemate vehicle with a low silhouette it should have been a decent tank destroyer, but the choice of main gun is baffling. The BK90 gun (L/40) was totally new, featuring reduced recoil compared to the 90mm M36 (L/53) with which it was not interchangeable, and it also used proprietary ammo. It also did not carry as much ammo as an M47 which was being replaced with Leopards at the same time this entered service. It later got replaced with ATGM carriers and Leopards. Nobody else made and used something like the KJPz, AFAIK.

[@herosstratos]

Iron Drapes The KaJaPa was (up to the 80s) equipment of the Panzerjägerkompanie (anti-tank unit) of a Panzergrenadier-Brigade (armored infantry brigade). A Panzer-Brigade had the Jaguar with HOT ATGMS in its Panzerjägerkompanie. Both vehicles were lighter and faster (70 km/h) than the Leopard 1.

[@tankolad]

@@herosstratos I know that, I was asking Nick what he thought of its operational usefulness.

[@DrLoverLover]

@@tankolad he just told you

[@tankolad]

@@DrLoverLover He didn't. He's not Nick, and you misunderstood the question.

[@Ciborium]

I swear I've seen this before but I didn't "thumbs up" it like I normally do with Chieftain videos. I bet that bastard Mandella shifted realities on me again.

[@Fulmir-]

What's the blurred/censored bit behind you in the commander's position?

[@mokinsen]

The escape hatch on the floor is also useful if you have to do some business

[@melangellatc1718]

Killed the "enemies:? Very Claus Kellerman!

[@nickolasdowney5686]

Regarding the commander's ranging system. Would you place the hull of the vehicle inside the box or would you also have to account for the length of the gun? It seems that depending on the angle of the enemy it might be inaccurate.

[@herosstratos]

Bing Bong Estimating distances is part of the commanders training.

[@catfish552]

Doesn't matter, in theory you can do the calculation with any dimension on the target vehicle that you happen to know. Hull size is probably the most convenient though. If you can see the whole thing, height will work too.

[@fabiogalletti528]

@@catfish552 exactly. Mils is one meter at 1000 km if I remember. So any apparent size works. With a quick list of sizes of turrets, hulls, man, it's just math: that turret is three meters large, knob says 6 mils = 500m. It's a better system than, to say, scale on soviet RPG, where distance is based on full height of the average NATO tank, ground to top turret (Chinese added another scale: ground to top of average Warsaw Pact tank, just in case)

[@marijn8260]

I am so confused. Didn't you upload this video like a week ago?

[@deheernijsters1411]

yeah i thought so too. everything seems so famiiar. maybe reupload cuz of some errors

[@wildonemeister]

It's the same video, but it's not on the same channel. The video you watched was posted on WG's channel - this is his own.

[@mememetal6631]

@@deheernijsters1411 wargaming: north america uploads it first and then a week later he uploads to his own chanel

[@Netjerenbau3000]

Seems roomy but presumably there'd be a load of ammo, rations, and all sorts of stuff in there too?

[@lmbtcs1879]

Netjerenbau3000 well look at the russian tanks, they dont have space even if it doesnt have any equipment in it to begin with lol

[@wildonemeister]

There is not a whole lot other stuff you need, but of course if you have the space you will use it. Many things can be strapped to the tank on the outside; especially when it can't rotate. That also brings untold amount of storage on the inside when you know there is no turret monster to contend with.

[@tankolad]

A lot of that room isn't actually useful. The area behind the gun breech can't be used to store anything since it interferes with the loader and the gun's recoil path. It's just not immediately obvious because there's no recoil guard, which is a bit of a safety hazard.

[@mbr5742]

Cold war german tanks operated close to their supply lines. So a few boxes of EPA likely

[@01ZombieMoses10]

Well...two decades and not being in an active war.

[@VikingRhys]

You mentioned that you could sleep up to 3 or 4 people in this tank. But what are tanks like generally for damp and condensation with the crew breathing inside them for long periods of time? Is there anything that can lessen this issue?

[@mbr5742]

Put the hatch in the umbrella position

[@charleswade2514]

The 240 is easier to carry if you need to abandon the tank.

[@DoctorZSwarner]

oof, ouchie, too much brown sugar in my rangefinder

[@loganblanton843]

So is this the Pinnacle of Stug/Jagdpanzer concept or would the swedish S-tank be considered that. Any chance of the T95 GMC for inside the hatch.

[@OhSome1HasThisName]

I'd say this is the pinnacle of the Jagdpanzer concept because S-tank acted in service as Swedish MBT - the Germans had this as well as the Leopard

[@loganblanton843]

Could of misread were i read about it. But weren't some late war panzer units rearmed with stugs/jd.pz's

[@OhSome1HasThisName]

​@@loganblanton843 surely that had more to do with late war shortages of (alongside pretty much everything) 'proper' tanks though

[@WalkaCrookedLine]

In the commander position section, there are 4 white cylinders to the viewers right, protected by what looks like a brown leather cushion, about the size of beer cans. Anyone know what those are for?

[@Masada1911]

I’m not sure but just visually speaking I think it might be smoke grenades

[@stef91614]

8 handgrenades

[@317eltoro]

What no “the tanks on fire” 😢

[@khorgor]

20:36 its haunted, HAUNTED!!!!!

[@csmaster2]

HANDLE!

[@jeffreyperretti4414]

The M2 is a much better TC weapon than the M240 MG. I was in the 2nd AD on early M1 when the than DiV commander decided to shoot level 1 Gunnery with the M 240 MG, not the M2 . Armor school and training command were less than happy. We had to shoot gunnery all over again.

[@rwdyeriii]

It still looks like a hetzer.

[@ddraig1957]

Seems remarkably roomy for an afv.Gunsight let's it down though.

[@RSColddawg]

20:37 so, is that vehicle haunted?

[@matthayward7889]

Did I miss the loaders position?

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Must have. It's the first position covered.

[@matthayward7889]

The_Chieftain apologies! Like an idiot, I forgot I was joining the video after it started

[@dallesamllhals9161]

3:20 West taller than East.....germans i mean... This is horrible - 6.5 and actually comfortable! 6 feet grunt Royal Life Guards 1998-2007 (Denmark)

[@stinkygravy06]

17:06 why is there a suspicious handprint on the gunner's side?

[@ExUSSailor]

If the hatch wasn't over-engineered, and, needlessly complex, it just wouldn't be German.

[@ExUSSailor]

Did you suggest that an aspect of a German vehicle was possibly "inefficient"?! I'm surprised they didn't chase you out of there for that!

[@fvo911]

what an engineering crime it is to put such a bad design of scope into that tank!

[@Colinpark]

Strange YT seems to think I have not seen this video or liked it?

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

maybe you watched it on wargaming's channel

[@cste9146]

The tank was not on fire...

[@nilshopf4881]

Anybody read the Buildersplaquette? it says Führungspanzer.... A command Tank, now we know, why there is so little distance on the clock. It got only out for the excercises and wasn't even used much then.... COs have better things to do than to pretend to defend... Does this sound sarcastic? I think it does....

[@kilcar]

I'd rather have a one handed lever to lick or exit the hatch. Keep it simple!

[@haywoodyoudome]

"one handed lever to lick or exit the hatch" I'd rather not lick the latch...you don't know who touched it last....

[@zaynevanday142]

No smoke Rnds ?

[@mrturner4620]

I’m not sure if I like the new Profile picture

[@KRN762]

Ma Duece rules.

[@edward9674]

Why didn't they make a jagdpanzer out of a leopard 1?

[@Bird_Dog00]

because it already had a big enough gun and was fast and mobile, I would presume. You build a TD version either to get a bigger gun on the same hull or to save the cost for a turreted vehicle. I assume neither was seen as necessary.

[@herosstratos]

Jagdpanzer mit elevierbarer Plattform auf Fahrgestell Leopard 1: www.multi-board.com/board/index.php?thread/62767-neuer-prototyp-im-panzermuseum/

[@edward9674]

@@herosstratos Interessant! Danke!

[@Bird_Dog00]

@Heros Interesting. Didn't know about that thing. Though it was just an experiment and didn't go anywhere.

[@Cancun771]

Guns were on their way out in that segment anyway, what with ATGM development. They built lots of vehicles out of the Leopard I platform, including an engineer vehicle, a recovery vehicle, the SPAAG Gepard and a bridge-laying tank. Looking at all the space and the general layout, it comes as no surprise though that the Kajapa was chosen as the basis of the Jaguar ATGM tank destroyer - loads of space in the back for the missile launcher and spare missiles.

[@christhorpejunction8982]

Life is good, but after curry wurst.....hmm......chemical warfare drills!

[@markmclaughlin2690]

My bet is that 3 position dog on the hatches will seal better and not leak as much

[@mbr5742]

Fun on the gun removal: They left the gun mantlet for balance purpose so the big bulge is funny looking

[@ocharni]

I guess what might have contributed to the interior design was the fact they had time to do it cause the red army wasnt marching on berlin

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

14:26, SocIAl diSTAncIng fOR tANKerS

[@rider3312]

This is what we in Germany call "Gute Deutsche Werksarbeit!"

[@stitch626aloha]

**blooper reel** let’s see how long it takes me to do this. Prepare to laugh. Toonk. Shoonk. THUNK. Aow. *I laugh in German*

[@xxxlonewolf49]

:)

[@docbill224]

Almost smart enough to be an Artillery Officer.

[@Cancun771]

What, Nick or the tank?

[@Cancun771]

What, Nick or the tank?

[@travisyelland42]

Doing this video again...why?

[@mrturner4620]

It’s posted on two channels dude

[@travisyelland42]

@@mrturner4620 thanks i didnt know that obviously... i wonder why it takes him soooooo long to post on here?

[@gnranger]

@@travisyelland42 Wargaming has him wait a week before uploading it.

[@travisyelland42]

@@gnranger thank you so much

[@TSPr0ject]

An interesting cold war relic.

[@t.w3280]

How is your comment a week old when the video isn’t even out?

[@nathaniel1207]

@@t.w3280 magic

[@emelgiefro]

@@t.w3280 patreon