Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Sherman VC “Firefly" part 2

In the second episode of the "Inside the Chieftain's Hatch" dedicated to the Sherman VC Firefly, Nicholas Moran will look inside the vehicle, examine the crew positions, and talk about how you could tell who the Firefly crewmen were when on parade.

[@danieltaylor5542]

So an Irishman who is in the US National Guard has to go to Sweden to review a British variant of a US tank.

[@filipedwardh7671]

this video was probably recorded during the event they had in sweden

[@Winchester1979]

Earlier than that. Nick posted his "unofficial tour" of the Arsenalen museum, which he made as part of his filming visit, in early October last year, two months before the big public event. And we don't know how long that was delayed in posting. The footage for this video is six months or so old at least.

[@Kennethah81]

International collaboration ftw!

[@Twirlyhead]

Work's great if you can get it.

[@ExterminLord]

my brain hurts

[@pedror598]

0:36 For a split second I thought he was wearing a sombrero

[@inkedseahear]

17 pounder won't fit! -put it in sideways Radio won't fit! -cut out a hole and stick it out the back The engine's no good! -get 5 car engines and put them together

[@drvonschwartz]

Nice copy pasta from Johnny of Potential History

[@ThroneOfBhaal]

The memes older than potential History if I remember.

[@sparviero142]

When you begin a part 2 only for the moment of "oh my god the tank is on fire"

[@DerKrawallkeks]

or them "having a serious emotional event"

[@Anolaana]

Well, it is a *Fire*fly /ba dum tuss/ ;) I love his deadpan manner though, it makes everything that much more hilarious :D

[@ruggetuf]

the sherman firefly in the bastogne barracks is very much complete and in running order

[@paulwyatt6017]

The commanders hatch comes down to battle need. The Americans were relying on British battle experience when designing the M4. The British tankers were opposed to cupolas after France, they were afraid that the cupola might be shot off killing the CO. In Africa the commander always fought exposed because you could always see the enemy at long range. When the Allies invaded Sicily ranges closed and it became dangerous to show any part of you body outside the tank and cupolas were demanded again.

[@Bryster51]

Sure wish there was no music, this competes with learning, and hearing you well.

[@qwesx]

tfw you see the video on the WoTNA channel but wait a few minutes to watch it on The Chieftain's channel.

[@GeneralJackRipper]

Things are better here.

[@rednoob8954]

+Chris Maillet yep true fact

[@nfsfanAndrew]

qwesx you are not alone bro.

[@wihamaki]

As the WOT game gets boring, these videos actually keep me interested. Great retention tool!

[@Lintary]

I would believe in wartime that the general opinion regarding when you want any tank is: "Now!"

[@colinkelly5420]

Agreed. When you read the accounts from British tankers in Normandy, you can really see what a morale boost it was for British tank crews (even in regular 75mm Shermans), as it meant there was always something around that could deal with any German tank encountered. It was of course far from perfect, and had design challenges that reduced its effectiveness compared to later 17 pdr armed tanks, but given the failure of British tank design to made a proper tank for the 17 pdr in time for the end of WWII, it was the right choice to deploy it IMO.

[@Neuttah]

Vickers Valiant. M7 Medium. M2 Medium.

[@eeeboytvr]

@Neuttah Normandy to Berlin?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Well, in the largest Tank Battle of WWII, Kursk, the Germans waiting several weeks to bring the new Tiger Is into the field.

[@Neuttah]

@unleecensedminky: Well, they pretty much didn't want any of those, and I felt like being an ass. @Itflak: Tigers were in service for almost a year by Kursk. You're thinking of Panthers, and they basically made asses out of themselves there.

[@jwhite146]

While I do not play WoT but I am a figure gamer. I love this series as it goes into a lot of deals that most gamer would not care about. The historian side of me really like that he goes into the deals of what it really took to live and fight in one of the vehicles he is covering.

[@GeneralJackRipper]

Indeed, it's a fine set of videos.

[@4tonnesoffury329]

wot is not a good start if you want realism and balance, war thunder is better.

[@meteor1945]

i play wt

[@GeneralJackRipper]

I played both. War Thunder is better for realism and simulation fidelity, but World of Tanks is better if you want to have fun.

[@4tonnesoffury329]

Not really, you still have horrible balance, like the churchill can verse panthers and tigers that it cant pen at certain distances, or the t34 85 that goes up against post war tanks, war thunder has arcade mode which is basically world of tanks without the spotting system.

[@defender1006]

It was a great hybrid design, both plentiful and adaptable, and most importantly available. The 17lbs'er was a great anti tank weapon, and the M4 Shermans mobility made it much more mobile and effective. Thanks for a great insight into a much over looked and underrated AFV.

[@MrDgwphotos]

The Firefly makes me think of the early deployment of the Corsair aboard carriers in Royal Navy service, something of a desperation move, i.e. "We need this NOW, even if it's not really suited to this situation." The Corsair went into RN carrier service before the US Navy was ready to accept them on carriers, because the landing characteristics were rather nasty and hazardous initially, but the Royal Navy had an otherwise poor selection of fighters at the time, that were even less suited to carrier aviation.

[@californiadreamin8423]

MrDgwphotos Hi... I understand the landing gear oleos did not not have enough damping, causing dangerous bounces on landing. The Fleet Air Arm modified the oleos and solved the problem.

[@Tarv1]

always enjoy these videos @TheChieftainWoT as always thanks, love learning about the history of tanks, my Grandfather was in tanks in the Korean War. I also share with others that mentioned that hopefully we can see vids, the Jumbo, Easy 8, and Israeli Super Sherman variants in the future.

[@demforr]

Awesome, part 2.

[@WildBillCox13]

Enlightening as always.

[@Maratusvolans]

IM SO HYPED!

[@MrBlindcat1]

I can't imagine how intimate it was for the gunner and commander in that thing.

[@MrWoodii]

And they called it, tanky loveeeeee... I'll see myself out

[@planescaped]

The firefly might seem like garbage on paper... but it had a few well-documented major kills specifically during the Normandy invasion. Can't argue if it works...

[@lakewooded4929]

Gawd . . . that music wears on you.

[@miketooth8119]

Awesome video ! I like your style.

[@Reckec]

Excellent video

[@99IronDuke]

'Hornet' was a enemy Tank or SP gun (Stug/Jagpanzer) have heard British Armoured veterans from the Normandy battles, use the term. Most targets seem to have been engaged by the whole Troop, ie 4 tanks, if possible. Most British Sherman troops had one Firefly, Guards Armoured Sherman troops often had two Fireflys. If you want to get some idea about how effective the Firefly could be check out this Canadian documentary about the end of German Tiger 'ace' Michael Wittmann: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5mqZKCbgMmAmZY bear in mind that most of the German Panzer Divisions in the West were fighting the British and Canadian forces in Normandy from June - August 1944, not the American's.

[@airsoftghost]

Thanks for this. Interesting for a WoT player who has one in his armory.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Excellent read...Sherman Firefly (New Vanguard) by David Fletcher. Kindle edition. The need for this up gunned Sherman was identified by the British following the capture of a Tiger in Tunisia., and the recognition that the existing gun would be inadequate. The David Fletcher book explains how initial experiments on their own initiative by British Officers, were taken over by Vickers ( I think ) and the 17 pdr towed gun, adapted to fit the Sherman. Rushed into production to be ready for D-Day, this was the only Allied tank to dependably destroy Panthers and Tigers, and that includes the demise of Michael Wittman. Regarding the US 76mm vs 17pdr etc... don't know...but the relatively few Fireflies made a big difference in Normandy and beyond. All explained in David Fletchers book. Bit puzzled by lots of comments about the accuracy of the 17 pdr. Every gun would need to have its sights regularly checked, wether it was a 17 pdr or otherwise. Don't recall any mention of inaccuracy is in any of the books I've read by crews who survived the war.

[@S.A.U.1489]

great video

[@jimleffler7976]

Beat about a bit... love it 😅

[@larshenrik8900]

Finallyyyyyyy!!🎉🎉🎉

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

How to tell if someone really crewed a Firefly....What?.... I SAID HOW TO FIND OUT HOW SOMEONE CREWED AS FIREFLY....Sorry mate *points at ear and shakes head*

[@phil20_20]

Yeah, the turret size between this and the eventual 76 turret confused me too. 😂 uhhh, would'a been nice to have it at Normandy. That's the way the shell bounces, as they don't say.

[@viridisxiv766]

i love how the conq in the intro is fully dressed with its spaced armour on.

[@MrChiron12]

Oh, wow I never noticed that

[@Neuttah]

I wonder if they still intend on replacing the FV with it.

[@bryanFDNY]

Neuttah weren't they going to replace the Fv with the chieftain

[@Neuttah]

Yeah, a fair while ago. Then they realized the tank is too different to the rest of the line to work well. Not enough glacis and side armour . They also thought its one hell of an iconic tank to slap onto the end of an existing line instead of getting its own, from what I remember. Then David Lister pointed out a few proposed improvements for the Conq that could work, and Wargaming apparently decided to run with it. This was already 3 years ago, mind you. There was recently (month or two) talk its line will split off from the Valentine, and include the Valiant and AT-1(AT-2, but turreted), though that sounds a bit off to me. We'll probably see if that one falls through by the end of the year.

[@harveyhams1572]

The Firefly was available. Oh great job.

[@musicmaster417]

Finally, took 8 days, I never knew that the Sherman FireFly was so big

[@Slayer_Jesse]

yeah its crazy how tall shermans are. im about the same height of the chief and that's a biiiig tank vertically.

[@Appletank8]

Yeah, compared to to other medium tanks, the Sherman is really tall. The transmission going through the middle had a part for causing that, I believe.

[@SquareCanine]

Yep. During WWII, the US and Germans favoured putting the transmission and drive wheels at the front while the Russians and Brits put them in the back with the engine. A front drive tank will tend to be a bit taller (to get the turret over the drive shaft), and the turret will be mounted further back vs a rear drive (relative to the hull). Different arrangements also accommodate different armour profiles better (by trying to make best use of the internal volume), and different sizes of components (engines).

[@madogthefirst]

I believe in your own blog you mentioned the 76 was in fact available for the Sherman and were supposed to have been fitted but the crews decided not to because lol PZ III and PZ IV the 75 got dis.

[@IronPhysik]

are you also going to take a look at the Strv 103? Would love to see some details about it :)

[@AdurianJ]

In the old Museum you could actually go into the vehicles as a visitor ! But that was a much more happy amateur run place

[@PMGF]

I completely agree with you're conclusion. The Firefly had the perfect opportunity to establish a fearsome reputation (partly propaganda, partly sensationalist) because they were available when they were 'needed'. My one question is how long did these stay in service/inventory postwar, I know the Churchill, Cromwell & Achilles had shelf lives into the start of the 1950's but you don't tend to hear anything about what happened to the Firefly??

[@DoddyIshamel]

The Shermans (whether fireflys or not) were being replaced in British service by Comet and then centurion by the end of the war. Liberated European countries (France, Italy, Belgium, Holland) got many of them while others were acquired on British pull-outs (middle east, India). Many of those Shermans (including fireflies) were sold on to countries in Latin America and Africa in the late 40s/early fifties. A couple of hundred fireflies in Argentina were used as the basis of a new 105mm variant in the 70s. Lebanon still used fireflies in the 80s. The firefly was a stop gap, it was never a practical tank to keep in service once the war was over.

[@chazt8604]

PMGF Under lend lease rules the US equipment that was not destroyed had to be paid for or given back to the US, since the Brits had plenty of Brit built tanks for its post war army (no need to buy spares from the US either) and with the new Centurion entering service which outclassed anything in service - they disposed of the Shermans pretty quickly. Some went to the former occupied nations (Belgium and Holland used tanks from scrap/disposal compounds including Canadian Ram gun tanks) and South America (Argentina recieving numbers of Fireflys for instance).

[@1993Crag]

The idea was that it was a stop gap until things like the Comet/Challenger would come into service. But practically post war the British would just replace all their cruiser tanks with Centurion anyway. The Fireflies were just sold off when newer ones replaced them.

[@californiadreamin8423]

PMGF Your questions are answered in David Fletchers book about the Firefly, about which I've just posted a comment.

[@schwappingmags1008]

we love you chieftain

[@mikesweeney5244]

Much braver men than I. I want to get out just watching. Thanks Maj. Moran.

[@Sseltraeh89]

6:15 so... manning the 17pdr is pretty much like repairing engine of french small car - Everything is nowhere near where you'll expect it to be and there's not enough workspace to do anything :D

[@southwestvirginiarailfan729]

Great vid. You should do the m-18 hellcat if you ever have the chance. that one would be cool.

[@JaneCobbsHat]

Many thanks for another excellent video. Could you do the mighty Centurion next?

[@JaneCobbsHat]

Ugh never mind found it.

[@DC9622]

The Belgium Firefly is coming to tank fest this year.

[@RandomGuy-can81]

nice video

[@sidbostek4415]

“The operators… they have not been rotated 90 degrees”. Honestly, I don’t see why not at this point 😂

[@Gam20_]

Have you guys ever tried to film at the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa? They have quite a few vehicles there, not sure how they would react to having a gaming company climbing in their exhibits.

[@andrewcox4386]

Another great vid! Love the whole series. 2 questions though: 1 I always thought that the inaccuracy of the sabot round was due to problems with sabot separation, solved in part by the later pot sabot. Was the sighting the real problem or did it just compound the issue? 2 It would have been possible to move the elevation handle using some kind of linakge - was this not done as there was no room or was it just that ergonomics was an unknown word in the UK at the time?

[@chazt8604]

Andrew Cox They introduced new sighting gradients on the towed guns (6pdr and 17pdr) later, no idea if they did for the Firefly tank guns. They also introduced more gradients for the later lower velocity HE rounds with the towed guns. The Firefly was originally a stop gap solution but ended up being more successful and much more produced than the official design, the A30 Challenger.

[@wulfleyn6498]

*Fires gun, instantly burns of my beard* working as intended.

[@matty922117]

@TheChieftainWot are you ever going to do an Easy 8 (or any 76mm late model Sherman) in the future?

[@qingyunwang3802]

From what I saw the Brits have their own designed ARV (All Round Vision) cupola on some Fireflies which looks quite different from the American's All Around Vision cupola. I wonder what cuopola did 75mm Shermans in British service receive.

[@RiflemanMoore]

Necessity is the mother of improvisation.

[@davewolfy2906]

Please , please , please - get rid of the racket . What a din ! Really good subject , very well presented - plus a disco !?!?

[@Dreachon]

Now I'm really interested to see you go inside a 76mm armed M4 and make the comparission then.

[@MrKarl0077]

when are we going to see episodes on the king tiger?

[@superbibibobo]

You forgot to shout "Oh my god! The tank is on fire!". The overall quality of the vidéo clearly suffers from that. More seriously, in Myths of American Armor (if I recall correctly), you were saying the accuracy of the 17 pounder was awfull, and that the american couldn't hit anything past a certain distance. Were you referring to the svds rounds, or was the gun just inaccurate regardless of the ammo.

[@superbibibobo]

Nevermind, rewatched the thing, you were indeed talking about the svds rounds. ^^

[@GeneralJackRipper]

Yes. Apparently it was difficult to get the sabots to peel off the round evenly every time.

[@tonyr9860]

Yakkuru Also, discarding sabot rounds don't like spin stabilization. That's a reason tank guns are now smooth bore.

[@iatsd]

Tony R APDS doesn't give a damn about spin. In fact, it's good for it. HEAT does not like spin, nor does Fin.

[@Akm72]

I think you're getting confused between APDS and APDSFS. APDS likes spin just fine as I understand it.

[@brucelee3388]

And if you think that is cramped, the Australians managed to shoehorn a 17 pdr into a Sentinel II aka Thunderbolt - they just removed the recoil mechanism entirely and bolted the tube to the mantlet, and it worked. See the Chieftain's comments on the 2pdr Sentinel I for cramped.

[@Anlushac11]

Sentinel AC3 with 25lbr and AC4 with 17lbr had a larger turret ring and more of a turret bustle in the back.

[@mooneyes2k478]

"A good solution applied with vigor now is better than a perfect solution applied next week." -George S. Patton (who, while a reprehensible scumbag, was an excellent general)

[@vitiate5093]

How was he a scum bag? The man had balls.

[@mooneyes2k478]

@@vitiate5093 He was also a sack of shit. He was arrogant, egocentric, glory-seeking and in need of public attention, antisemitic, and entirely unable to understand what a man went through in combat, as evidenced by the (in)famous slapping incidents. Yes, he had balls, and he was, on average, a good leader. But that doesn't mean he wasn't an absolute shitbag.

[@vitiate5093]

@@mooneyes2k478 umm how was he anti Semitic? Also when others are dying and losing limbs and one guy is just chilling because he was scared not a reason to be mad?

[@vitiate5093]

@@mooneyes2k478 isn’t everyone egocentric and glory awaking in a lot of ways. Also we are all arrogant.. therefore that’s mute.

[@JohnBrowningsGhost]

@@mooneyes2k478 I detest moralizing worms like you, Patton was a great man and his shortcomings pale in comparison to his qualities and achievements.

[@jsma9999]

Firefly Anti-tank Specail to go up against Pather and Tiger. That why it was built . Thanks Chieftain for Walkaround.

[@PassportToPimlico]

Not even that. The existence of the Firefly must have put pressure on German tactics. Even if none of the Shermans ahead were Fireflies, the Germans would have to allow for the fact that some of them might be.

[@teddyb3303]

after firing...can you still touch the gun as you did there when you climbed out of the driver's position? (in an emergency situation)

[@klauskelp7564]

I wish they would do one on the panzer 38t.....

[@Karelwolfpup]

fascinating that Firefly had the same problem as the Jagdtiger in terms of tracking hits on target under a kilometer.

[@Thomas-mf6qy]

On a scale of 1 to 10 (impossible), "Inside the Chieftain's Hatch" for the T-90? Or is it just really similar to the T-72?

[@Duke_of_Petchington]

Hey what do you think about the 20pdr

[@Edax_Royeaux]

The old Firefly vs Tiger debate, was it better to mass produce an ok tank killer, or build a dedicated Heavy Tank?

[@Erreul]

Was there actually no Firefly fully furnished in the states or was it more to do with time?

[@Chris-wf2lr]

I think it depends on the situation but from what little I have gathered it sounds like bigger tank guns were in high demand. The S tank for example was made when there was a threat of Russian invasion in the cold war and because Russia had more tanks they made the s tank be like a shoot and scoot and ambush tank cuz if they made a traditional tank and fought in the traditional way they would surely lose cuz numbers. So they made a tank with extremely sloped front armour, that had a small front profile and even designed it to dig itself into position. They have a lot of wilderness and places they could ambush from and they made a great ambush style tank. but it's not a good tank for traditional tank fighting because can't traverse turret while on the move and probably slower to get a target but when ambushing and dug in , with it's high firing rate, would be very effective.... hard to take out

[@swordmaster2k1]

If I recall correctly, 76-armed Shermans were in production and even stockpiled in England in time for D-day, but commanders opted to not bring them and only had 75-armed Shermans during the initial phases of the Normandy campaign. I can't remember the reason at the moment, but I think it had something to do with supply line simplification and lack of urgency as they expected few Tigers or Panthers to be about. Wish I could remember my source on that, but alas, I just took a Physics test and my brain no-worky.

[@zschade27]

The chieftain made a video about American armor myths and I believe he covered that exact thing in it.

[@invincible6197]

I actually believe the allies were quite worried that German high command would send swarms of panthers and tigers to Normandy after the landings. the US considered a heavy tank (the m6) but decided that it would take too long to set up factories to produce them. instead they chose to leave the job of dealing with enemy armour to the bombers/ground attack aircraft.

[@GeneralJackRipper]

You're right, there were about 500 of the 76mm Shermans in storage before D-Day, but none of the units going over wanted them. Patton was the first one to deploy them en masse. I wrote a comment detailing it.

[@invincible6197]

+Chris Maillet after the battle of the bulge every Sherman that arrived in Europe had a 76mm gun (apart from the firefly)

[@peterson7082]

Invincible With the exception of the HVSS M4A3(75)W

[@lordbyron8927]

You're right you either love her or hate her. If the Germans were hunting for this tank then that speaks to it's effectiveness.

[@selfdo]

This is another reason why the Sherman was the greatest tank of WWII. It could be adapted for numerous, quite disparate roles. Just look at what the IDF did with its Shermans since 1948! Are not some of them still in a reserve role, as armored ambulances, or a SP gun with a 155 mm howitzer (Soltam L33)?

[@tevie54]

Just how rare is the 17 pounder APC round, I have one but whenever I see a firefly or a 17 pounder towed antitank gun they never have the round that goes in it on display

[@ex59neo53]

I think I saw my favourite TD : the HETZER ! :)

[@MorningGI0ry]

ex59neo53...are you're new to the channel? That word isn't welcomed here...

[@Neuttah]

*[Chief twitching]*

[@apixel3383]

Jagdpanzer 38(t). "Hetzer" is a term for a related prototype, mistakenly applied to this vehicle.

[@duchessskye4072]

The real 'Hetzer' was the designation planned for the E-10 light tank destroyer. The Jagdpanzer 38 (t) was never meant to be called that

[@DC9622]

Excellent summary, the Commonwealth Army knew they need a mobile 17 pounder to take on the heavy German tanks, hence firefly and challenger, they could not afford to wait for Centurion. Another issue was the 76mm in the M10 failed, hence Eisenhower’s memo to ordnance 2 July 44, when he pointed out in tests no American gun in Normandy could punch a hole in the panther whilst the British 6 pounder with APDS could. This got more heated when ordnance stated they had done it, with Eisenhower demanding to know what ammunition was being used followed by his personal letter to General Marshall. Firefly is true to the approach make do and mend, like PIAT, another view take the best chassis the Allies had and install the best gun available at the time, with some seriously good ammunition. Look at the photographs of the Tigers August 8, one has a through and through hole in the turret from the Firefly round.

[@blueboats7530]

Next chance you get to go into a Firefly you could take one of the souvenir inflatable 17pr rounds from the Tank Museum Shop for a more graphic representation.

[@jamestheotherone742]

Ought to do an M51 Super Sherman as a comparison to the Firefly in stuffing big guns into little tanks.

[@seancarter9544]

I don't understand why people dislike videos like this. I mean, if you watch it, you probably already like Chieftain's stuff so wtf

[@Twirlyhead]

And don't forget that in those key times in Normandy when the Firefly was available the vast majority of the German armour was facing the British and Canadian sector therefore all the Fireflies were basically in the right place.

[@laurie1183]

As much as its not perfect, it was the best thing they had and it worked.

[@TringmotionCoUk]

@@laurie1183 like the T34

[@wesselotten6306]

Please do the T95

[@MrArgus11111]

no mention of how woefully inaccurate the 17 pounder was? I recall that in post war trials it was basically rated as "unable to hit the broad side of a barn from 10 paces".

[@mpetersen6]

And now the question is just how cramped was the 105mm Sherman's the Israelis wound up with via the French

[@waynester71]

Your Irish 'twang' makes me think 'Father Ted' lol... "Feck, driiink"

[@jeremeymcdude]

that's a really nice tank destroyer. even though it's called a medium tank.

[@BlackBunik]

I wonder if Germans knew how difficult aiming with Firefly is. One thing is having a powerful gun, another actually hitting anything with it.

[@Predator20357]

I wonder, if the Seventeen Pounder was in the later Sherman turret. Would it limit the impact of the large breech problems?

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Apparently it came a cropper of mount problems, the larger turret actually had difficulty with the 75mm due to the shape where the trunnions were.

[@rollingo8678]

You forgot the health bar that’s visible above the tank and the button for turbo mode

[@louierenault7344]

How did you know about turbo mode

[@eugenemurray2940]

The flashback.... Another reason to hit the target with the first shot...🤣

[@steweygrrr]

"Once out in the field, I suspect the codenames went out the window"... Yeah I tend to agree with that, I rather imagine it went a little more like '10 degrees left range 700 ohfuckitsaTigershootitshootthebastardnow!'

[@WanderlustZero]

Did anyone else as a kid think it was called a VC for Victoria Cross, and not Five-C? As if the tank was so good it came with a VC already :')

[@zulubeatz1]

As a kid ? I have only just found it out today !

[@XEyedN00b]

It was the Firefly to put a round through Witmann's Tiger, right? I'd love to see a tour on M47 od m48 if possible

[@peterson7082]

He already did M47.

[@SvenTviking]

Wittman’s Tiger at Villars Bocage was knocked out by a firefly in the town after his rampage. It looks like he was killed by a Canadian Sherbrook fusiliers 75mm Sherman while the rest of his squadron of Tigers were killed by Northamptonshire Yeomanry Fireflies.

[@Speakno12]

Quit listening due to the soundtrack. Why must there always be music overlays?

[@MadMadCommando]

Did the M1919 coax fire 8mm Bersa, .303 or 30-06?

[@peterson7082]

Either the .30-06 or a Swedish conversion to their 6.5mm or whatever it was.

[@madogthefirst]

We still need Chieftain voice over mod pack. Someone make this happen.

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Your best bet is to make a feedback thread on the forum or maybe on Reddit. I don't think anyone is making voice packs but I could be wrong.

[@Akm72]

Heh, it would be fairly classy to have a deadpan "Oh my God the tank is on fire" quote at the very least.

[@mungo7136]

Yes, his stoical voice, saying that either you or your opponent have an emotional event of the tank on fire would be great.

[@jarheadshooter6452]

the reason for the small hatch is it was designed from the boiler man ways of the time.

[@failingattempt9984]

i'm sorry for this stupid question, but why would they disassemble the tank for testing

[@crapphone7744]

The ammo restriction and smoke/dust issue along with the longer range better penetration of the 17 lb or seems to me to tank destroyer type role. Fire from ambush shoot and scoot. While you're in cover between positions replenish the five ready rounds. I'm sure in action the luxury of those kind of tactics was not generally available though. So fall back on the British plan for everything, muddle through somehow. 😅

[@zod65]

I wonder how much better the 17 pounder would have fit into the T23 76 mm turret,if the T23 turret would have been available at the time when the Firefly was being developed.

[@peterson7082]

zod65 Better for the crew, worse for conversion. Rotor shield mount was a bit narrow

[@loganblanton843]

would it be to much of a leap to say it was a TD not necessarily a tank considering it was used in a more TD/support role?

[@chazt8604]

Logan Blanton Purely down to how you look at it, some units issued one or two Fireflys/Challengers per troop of three or four medium/cruiser tanks. Other units kept all Firefly/Challengers in a single troop per squadron (a bit like the later Conqueror/Centurion Regts in Germany). So some units kept them as the reserve troop in an advance while others they formed part of the advancing troops along with 75mm armed tanks, this is much the same as the Churchill units in Italy which had a mix of 6pdr and 75mm gunned tanks, depending on what they expected to face - they chose the rounds to be loaded at the startand in which tanks, which tanks to lead with (6pdr with AP leads for instance if tanks expected, 75mm and 6pdr with HE if no armour in the area). They were manned by tankies and were part of tank regts and not by the RA which operated the British SP ATG's during WW2.

[@karoltakisobie6638]

No CC?

[@JoseGarcia..]

Such a sexy tank!

[@gazlink1]

Hello Mr Chieftain, I don't suppose you could tell me if the British ever used APDS in their 6 pdr armed tanks? Many thanks, G

[@peterson7082]

It wouldn't make sense if they didn't. Though I don't know of any verified case of its use.

[@AgentTasmania]

It definitely existed, unsure about deployment in combat

[@dmactye3]

What is that pin he is wearing above the WarGaming.net logo?

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Yep. My first combat patch.

[@dmactye3]

TheChieftainWoT thank you! That's awesome. Huge fan of the series and love to see the Firefly done. One of my favorite tanks