Inside the Menendez Movement l 20/20 l PART 4

Lyle and Erik Menendez say they were sexually abused by their father: Part 4
Erik Menendez wrote a screenplay about a boy killing his parents to collect the insurance. The brothers say they were sexually abused but some believe they had a financial motive.
#ABCNews #ABC2020 #Documentary #MenendezBrothers

[@clementine_0]

Umm excuse me?!! Are we just gonna ignore the fact that the parents murdered the dog, beheaded him and put his head in the fridge?!!? What the f?!!

[@robinmartin7835]

@Tom Edwards It’s in this video ....

[@deebeautiful84]

Exactly. If someone could be so cruel he was definitely an abusive father.

[@MoBahar687]

@@deebeautiful84 and that is a reason to kill him and the mother ? Are you serious? They are murderers with another intention which was inheritance. They thought they could get away with it and the parents taught them that.

[@deebeautiful84]

@@MoBahar687 if the father raped them and the mom knew than Yes!!! They deserve death.

[@gx9954]

@@MoBahar687 several family members and friends testified that they always had money, money was never an issue. The money as motivation was a theory ruled out very quickly in both of the trials because lack of evidence. However the story that made the most sense and had the most proof was the abuse!

[@HettiedeKorteDiplomaat]

The father showed them how to treat people and created his own murderers.

[@fmpur9572]

They not murder it’s only Justice

[@IanWhiddett]

@@fmpur9572 Just because you wish otherwise doesn't change the fact that they are in deed murders. Not only were they each convicted of two counts of first-degree murder, they were convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and lying in wait. Planning a murder(s) and/or ambushing your target(s) while you are not in immediate danger is unlawful in the eyes of the law and to most people with a conscience those are both unacceptable actions. We don't live in a world where vigilantism, retaliation, or "what ifs" equate to justifiable homicide.

[@kaylinwhite6584]

@@IanWhiddett I concur with your beliefs

[@IanWhiddett]

@@kaylinwhite6584 I appreciate you!

[@jakem8021]

💯

[@RebekahRoxx48]

I feel like this documentary is so biased and aimed to make the brothers look even crazier. Murder is never ok I understand that but I definitely feel for these young boys and can’t imagine what they want through. Just because they grew up rich doesn’t mean that their lives were perfect and definitely does mean that they weren’t abused. We can never truly know what goes on in someone’s family behind closed doors ..

[@jolinejoline2471]

I disagree. Murder at times is justified. Is so justified that war still exists.

[@leahflower9924]

People think that "crazy" or unstable people just wake up one day and have lost their mind that almost never happens it usually is a process and can reach it's height in teen years and abuse and trauma is usually part of this unravelling

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

The premise so many people look at these situations is "I would never". Most murderers - MOST - didn't grow up dreaming of committing homicide.

[@alantes]

It is so speculative and tabloid-y and tries hard to be 'juicy'. It's repulsive. Embarrassing.

[@r0ckymarie]

That poor kid was losing his hair from stress. This whole situation is so sad. Kitty’s brother is a sicko for still covering for them.

[@_SnowJustice_]

the sick uncle wants Jose's fortune to himself, that's why he did not support his nephews. If the brothers are in for life, who gets the estate? Aaah

[@IanWhiddett]

@@_SnowJustice_ The Menendez fortune and estate was long gone before their second trial. That's why Lyle had a public defender and Erik's attorney was compensated by the state.

[@toc7olwn680]

@@IanWhiddett why was it gone? Why did the brothers not inherit it?

[@IanWhiddett]

@@toc7olwn680 What the brothers didn't spend went to pay off owed debt and the legal fees from their first trial. In the U.S. you aren't able to receive an inheritance of you are convicted of the murder in which you are the beneficiary.

[@IanWhiddett]

@@_SnowJustice_ The fact that your comment has 22 likes when it is 100% false is proof that you and the rest of these Menendez brothers supporters haven't a modicum of credibility. Literally the blind leading the blind.

[@huntermorris7432]

This is where this stuff gets on my nerves they were sexually abused for so long but that doesn't matter apparently

[@Hello-vx2ol]

Watch the previous eps

[@YoutubeChannel-ll6sw]

@@Hello-vx2ol the ones where the pundits lie through their teeth?

[@ordinxl468]

@@KZbinChannel-ll6sw huh? Who the brothers lied through there teeth?

[@juliannebigler8669]

And then punishing the victims. Disgraceful.

[@thetruepatriot7733]

Eric is scary! I believe the horrific abuse by the parents created a monster... they turned that boy into a psychopath. I watched his entire court testimony. He's maniputive and smirked while describing the killings... he is a very damaged and dangerous individual. It's not his fault, his parents created a monster with there abuse. I believe the jury saw what I saw during his testimony, that's why they convicted. Although he is a victim he is now old enough to be a perpetrator, it's highly possible Eric would continue to commit crimes and murder somebody else. The parents were killed by the monsters their abuse created! They made this boy become a psychopathic man. Its not his fault but unfortunately he needs to be in prison for the safety of society!

[@_SnowJustice_]

they messed up kids, pushed them to the wall, and the kids reacted. They should not have gotten life imprisonment.

[@trippy.liahhh]

glad that im not the only one who thinks this

[@Shambles844]

despite all the things that happened murder is still murder, sadly thats how the law works

[@titandestroyer1017]

@@Shambles844 cool

[@ensiemen9836]

@@Shambles844 it is not.

[@abigiyaberhanu1091]

I agree!

[@mayagsam3780]

They found the dogs head in the refrigerator??!!! You can just tell there were so much things that happened in these kids lives that led them even capable of murder! I agree some prison time is probably reasonable... But life??!!! Heinous

[@msmo2060]

You get life when you murder both tour parents. It’s a shame no one will ever know the truth. Those boys are both manipulative .

[@IanWhiddett]

They are lucky that the State of California didn't execute them. They are exactly where they belong. It was premeditated, cold-blooded homicide. The only thing they feared was being removed from the will.

[@sarahpowpow777]

@j T wow, you are so lucky to be SO close to Lyle and Erik that you know everything about them and what they think and do! Because you must be close to them to make such a confident comment about their thoughts and actions...right?

[@kimchinichie]

It's not that simple JT Watch the video first And listen very carefully and use your brain

[@IanWhiddett]

@@sarahpowpow777 I've heard more persuasive arguments from tabloids at the grocery market. Get a grip.

[@saravasquez4872]

This whole show seems prosecution biased

[@kaylinwhite6584]

Yep it’s because they don’t want to brothers to be released because of fear that it would encourage future cases like this. To say being abused in some way is an excuse for murder. Which it isn’t. Also keep in mind the brothers didn’t say it was justified.

[@AmethystEyes]

@@kaylinwhite6584 it should be a mitigating factor at least

[@ladysensei1487]

If my eight year old son told me his father was touching him, I’d immediately believe him and prosecute. Kids don’t say that type of thing unless it’s true. There mother was was a major idiot for ignoring that.

[@nicolejacobsoncovers]

Yes got sure. She was sick, twisted herself most probably narcissistic

[@D.J.M.S.]

True what you say about kids. But I must say that some kids under the age of 8 will say some crazy stuff though it's not true, because they heard it somewhere (movies, babysitters, school, etc.), and they do it out of innocence but it turns out affecting some people, so my point is some kids are more mature for their age and speak things that you wouldn't even imagine from a kid their age, some things true some not 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@haintedhouse2990]

@@nicolejacobsoncovers agreed. she was taking Xanax, sneakin booze and making sure guests never ventured upstairs when Jose was around or the doors were shut. she was as guilty as he was.

[@chamivi8]

She knew all the time but prefer to ignore because of the money

[@Elvisdrunk]

She didnt care for them enough to get up & fight for them or herself .

[@sharonrichardson3568]

The fact that as children they told their cousins that their father had been touching them there is no doubt to me that happened and that's a really difficult thing for a child to do.

[@roseyleetea6472]

I hate the way that guy said "it just didnt happen" 😒 You dont actually know that none of us do 🤷‍♀️

[@Chick3nSalad]

That annoyed me too

[@kdkdndjfjdnn9168]

well who cares they should be in prison

[@bewuga1158]

@@kdkdndjfjdnn9168 NO

[@user-of9fr6dr1n]

​@@kdkdndjfjdnn9168 You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@leacalin6227]

how dare that man to say they killed their parents for ensurance money and that they were spoiled kids spinning out of control??!!!!! they were abused in so many ways how dare he

[@IanWhiddett]

Apparently the No Child Left Behind Act failed. You definitely were left behind.

[@000payal00]

How beautiful these two brothers are, if only they had better childhood. Things would have been so much better.

[@Abby_0ster12]

I can’t believe that they are making this whole thing about the parents I can’t

[@titandestroyer1017]

Wdym

[@Mousei.8483]

@@titandestroyer1017 Ikr they think that the pain their have from there father is FAKE?!! like get help people

[@alexandra9540]

Google the 83 year old man just released from prison after serving 68 YEARS. Compare his crime to the crimes of these brothers then talk about what is UNJUST. This goes on everyday in America. And yet... no one says a word.

[@SoneBlink]

The dogs head? omg that give me chills What a monster.

[@deebeautiful84]

I believe them! The mom wasn't popping pills just because if their rebellion. What kind of parents cut off their dogs head? He, the dad was a sick sob and no one came to save them.

[@kass4162]

j T you apparently think its okay for child molesters to walk this earth. You gatta be kidding me. Absolutely sick.

[@annahhaile6845]

They deserve justice

[@LaSombraa]

And they got it. Life in prisonz

[@terrenv6405]

@@LaSombraa that's not justice

[@kaylinwhite6584]

@@terrenv6405 They won’t get out the new law that would doesn’t apply to inmates serving life without parole. Also seeing as how all of their other appeals have been exhausted.

[@imtheonehero9305]

No they don't. There's more evidence against them then for them. They're bad kids, abused or not.

[@terrenv6405]

@@imtheonehero9305 they're are not bad kids they have just made a wrong decision but when put in a tough situation many times you don't am,e the right decision

[@DiamondWhite91]

It is very believable actually that their father did that to them. That is how they became psychopaths. They got sexually abused and lost their innocence as well as their humanity.

[@carleegib]

they didn’t become psychopaths. you can’t just become a psychopath. they were abused and traumatized.

[@mariastefanou9520]

@@carleegib exactly

[@Anonymous-pu5jt]

WTF? They casually went over the fact that the parents killed a dog , beheaded it and kept it in the fridge?!!!! Any one capable of that is definitely capable of WAAAY worse 🤮

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

The worst thing, THE WORST THING that can happen to anyone as a person - apart from having to bury your own child - is to be violated by your parents like these boys were. Your nuclear family teaches you everything about life and the world and who you are. Being beaten or neglected by that nucleus is one thing - but being specifically SEXUALLY violated informs you at a young age that you have no power, you have no value, you have no autonomy and you have no safe haven emotionally; once you have been violated like that, you can never get away. These boys didn't have a CHANCE to end up any different than this.

[@shelbsterous]

the dogs were aggressive meaning the parents were doing stuff to them to make them that way, says something about their character

[@irinik786]

Please judges! Parole these guys! It’s so unfair!!!

[@arifmohammad1161]

So much proof.. and just cuz they are men you don’t believe them? 💔 they deserve justice! And to be free!!

[@emthis22]

I just want to say, Lyle told his cousin that he was being touched by his father at 8 years old. Which means is true and that was way before Eric wrote the script with his friend.

[@Mousei.8483]

he told TWO people when he was younger THE ABUSE IS REAL FACTS!!

[@H0RR0R_HANG0VERZ]

The uncle saying there were no indications that abuse was going on…. Excuse me??? Why do you think the boys were acting out & getting in so much trouble. The parents said it was because they were spoiled…Hmmm….maybe it’s because they were so damaged from years of their parent’s abuse! 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@lovelyslots4009]

Robert just likes the interviews, the attention and money . he's getting from the book. He likes his name right next to their . He's not really doing anything to help try them get out . He knows the real story but instead of tell the whole story in interviews but just gives a little here and there then promotes the book.

[@mechey10]

I totally agree. So deceptive,

[@TanjiThomason]

Or he's telling what he knows.

[@Muirmaiden]

This program was just taking excerpts from an earlier documentary in 2017 (which was before his book was published). Robert Rand is not responsible for how either program was edited, and he has given many interviews over the years. He was also a consultant on the Law & Order miniseries on the case which is the fairest and most balanced TV movie/miniseries ever produced on this case. He has been researching this case since 1989 and is the only reporter to have covered both trials. In the afterward of his book, he explains why it took him so long, and he wanted to have as much factual research as possible. Moreover, the family members trust him and helped him with the book.

[@HR12245]

Okay…. They were doing very well financially with their parents alive. They didn’t need their parents to be dead in order to benefit from their money. They were already doing very well benefiting from their parents money while their parents were still alive. They had been their whole lives. And without the risk of prison. I do not believe money was the motive at all. They already had that. Fear and abuse was the motive. For goodness sake they had cousins and other family members and friends testify backing up their stories and had the naked pictures their dad took of them when they were kids, their was tons of evidence

[@trippy.liahhh]

the fact that they got life in prison makes me upset

[@marlycorreia8888]

I hate that the uncle are still bringing down these 2 and protecting the parents. For that reason we keep seeing things crazy happening and not knowing why. The whole entire family heard about the abuse probably before the killing happened and they just did not care enough. Sick

[@abigiyaberhanu1091]

Soooo sick!!!!

[@Muirmaiden]

He has passed away now but his son actually lived with the family for a few summers when he was a kid and he confirmed that there was physical and verbal abuse going on and that Kitty would fly into unpredictable rages, and that Jose frequently showered with his sons.

[@meganwilliams7434]

@@Muirmaidenand his ex wife testified about Jose grabbing and pulling both Lyle and Erik when they lost a tennis match

[@user-zw8lo8vi3x]

poor boys. they deserve freedom

[@AlisonNorton.]

Just because they had money doesnt mean they didnt go through abuse these boys werent spoiled

[@kat4truth396]

RIGHT HE DIDNT WANT A GAY SON BUT HE WAS TOUCHING HIM!! Give me a break!!

[@Jessela1988]

They where so mind fucked they felt they had no way out just hearing them talk about it it’s like I get it... I can feel their struggle.

[@iceblue1457]

It's just a matter of time when these two guys being abused would assert themselves. They are growing up and their father is getting old. They realize they can live without those millions from their father. That freedom is more desirable than be held captive in that situation.

[@kelseyjay3733]

But they’re in jail that’s not much freedom lol

[@meghanhixon3241]

They killed their dad tho

[@iceblue1457]

@@kelseyjay3733 Why are you laughing?

[@CJ-rd9hi]

Yea because she was definitely changing her will while her freinds there, the exact time her friends over, in the middle and of the day and just left on her computer😐

[@bibitiptoes1473]

Why not? Changing will in front of a witness, - sounds about right. You know, just in case of certain someone decides to, I don't know... Delete it. What is known, according to several sources, is that there was a reference to a will in the computer, located in an upstairs bedroom of the Menendez home. The reference to the will was contained in a file name on a computer disk. Shortly after the slayings, a member of the Menendez family discovered the reference and attempted to view the file, these sources said. But the relative was unable to do so and made plans to hire a computer expert. Before that expert could act, however, the file was deleted from the disk in such a way that it could not be recovered by police experts, according to those sources. Asked about the possibility of a second will, the Menendezes’ probate attorney, Stephen B. Goldberg of Redondo Beach, said: “I don’t know anything about that and we’ve got a will and I don’t want any problems with it.” Acting on Goldberg’s advice, the Menendez brothers have so far declined to comment on the computer mystery. Their parents’ will has been filed in Santa Monica Superior Court and is expected to be settled early next year, according to Goldberg. It states that Jose and Kitty Menendez bequeathed their estates to each other but, in the event that “we should die in a common disaster,” the entire estate is to be turned over to Lyle and Erik Menendez. Source: www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-12-05-mn-177-story.html

[@gx9954]

CRAIG CIGNARELLI YOU LIAR! YOU AND ERIK BOTH WROTE THAT SCREENPLAY AND YOU CAME UP WITH A LOT OF THE IDEAS!!!!! THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE SCREENPLAY WAS NEVER USED AS A RELIABLE EVIDENCE

[@elviraestella7554]

he's the dumbest person i know

[@jstephenj]

@@elviraestella7554 Dumber than Donald Trump, I highly doubt it!

[@user-of9fr6dr1n]

Erik writing that script was a coping mechanism and way to deal with the abuse he was experiencing by his father since he felt totally powerless and trapped in his life and literally had no other way to fight back.

[@chloemasterton71]

This angers me so much they think it's BC of the fucking money

[@susanbannister6270]

Very interesting story...I followed the trial daily and felt very sorry for the brothers Mendendez...so I favor their release...its been 30+ years in jail. Their father was a tyrant and mother was a drunk, who did not defend or try to help them get away from their dad. Please judges, parole them, and let them find their lives before its over.

[@katkatkatkat463]

It is so refreshing to hear from people who followed the trial at the time and agree that the sentence was too harsh. Thank you!

[@MoBahar687]

Wow I don’t believe you been following this since the start. No excuse for murder ... NON.

[@rosearellanes5648]

I think Eric and Lyle Menenedez belong under the jail not in it. How horrble is it to kill your own parents because u want their money and then tell the most discusting pack of lies to try and get away with murder

[@becky4728]

They should be set free

[@rosearellanes5648]

They are not sick they are GREEDY and SELFISH!!!!!

[@mikylasmith1801]

They should be released...they deserved to serve quite a bit of time because they could have run away...but it's been long enough now...

[@Muirmaiden]

@@LeenaStark 1. They grew up in a rigorously controlled environment, and even as young adults, their parents still watched them closely, so they had very little real-world experience. 2. Their father was wealthy and powerful, and they knew he would not let them go and could easily find them if he wanted. 3. They didn't think anyone would believe them and they didn't think they could survive in the real world. Just because you were able to leave (and good for you), that doesn't mean that everyone feels they can. Not every situation is the same, and there are other people who have killed their abusers and got lighter sentences.

[@priscilahernandez6327]

I can't stand Kitty's brother. They weren't abuse. How would you know??

[@y0as_s169]

they were abuse sexually

[@user-es5jk4cf4s]

so a 8 year old boy says he's being molested and the mother just doesn't believe it? she could have investigated it herself for crying out loud *YOU LIVE N THE SAME DARN HOUSE* how can something like that get unnoticed ? and I'm sure the sexual molestation is real because a cousin said in a interview that one of the brother's asked him if "you dad touching you there was normal" and now here another person says the boy told her. it blows my mind how they kept this thing quit for what i assume keeping their image clean. the mother seems to be afraid to confront the father so she was taking pills to calm herself. Still staying put knowing what your child is going through is an act of pure heinous. And after the brother knowing they were going to be deprived from their heritage that was the last straw. they were stripped away from their innocence, rejected by their mother and was going to be left alone. after knowing that killing your parents doesn't seem that unreasonable. what they did was wrong 100% but that doesn't mean that they were the only criminals edit: ( just saw part 5) i fucking knew it that bitch of a mother knew all along that her son was being molested and she did nothing. *she deserves hell*

[@Vic-sb6bv]

This Brian guy is pissing me off

[@SethMacLeod95]

4:42 I agree with this. There is still an element of greed to it but I think majority of it is the abuse of the parents. They were as cold as they get I’m sure

[@marypierce2160]

I am so upset that they are making the brothers out to be the monsters. Their father mentally, physically, and emotionally abused them. This is the only time I will try and justify a murder, they were trying to escape their abuser and the abusers bystander.

[@zackaryhill8688]

They talked more about Lyle's toupee than the FUCKING DOG HEAD XD

[@ilianabejarano7752]

I believe their story of abuse. I don’t think they were making that up. Sadly it sounds like they went through some tough times growing up and that contributed to their breakdown. Murder is never the answer to anything, and they should have approached things differently.

[@abigiyaberhanu1091]

They dont know how. They didnt have good parents who they can learn from. They cant be blamed for that.

[@ootenba5910]

How would one do that? As an abused victim myself I cannot say I haveng thought about it when I never knew "freedom".

[@Sharkfighter13]

They need to release them

[@karenacton3854]

Erin, why do you feel they should be released? Do you feel they were wrongly accused? I’d be interested in you views. Thanks.

[@Billiebugg123]

@@karenacton3854 they were abused, end of conversation

[@elijahrojasshow141]

@@Billiebugg123 if this is the case, do you feel the iceman should have been released as well. He was viciously abused by his parents.

[@Waxk123]

@@karenacton3854 It was in defense Jose sexually abused both of them for YEARS.

[@jstephenj]

@@Billiebugg123 The tiktok rebuttal in a nutshell.

[@clairemcquarrie3221]

If this was the Menendez sisters how different would this case be 😳😳 - those parents got what they deserved

[@shigi5321]

im really into this show, but like *why is everyones lips so dry*

[@judyevancic4926]

Father were nuts… Mother was pounded into submission by her husband. The boys were so messed up by the violence in their lives.

[@bluestrawberry973]

I feel like they left out a crucial part in these series. If the brothers' story about the abuse is true, which it seems to be, you'd have to look at their father's history, as well. These things usually don't just 'happen'. I think that if their father abused them, then something must've happened in his childhood, presumably with his father, too. They should've also investigated in that, in my opinion... Maybe their grandfather treated their father in the same way when he was a kid and that treatment stuck to him, which would make a lot of sense, especially in a psychological way, if you'd ask me...

[@amnervik2614]

Some of the experts in the trial actually looked into their parents’ pasts when evaluating the brothers. They did find out that Kitty was abused and her parents were divorced (definetely more that I don’t remember), but with Jose they couldn’t find much other than overindulgence, however I read somewhere that one of his sisters saw the mother doing sone sexual things to him (don’t know if it’s true) and I think Jose’s father looks a little suspicious..

[@annadupont7615]

@@amnervik2614 And the prosecution and judge wouldn't let that evidence into court....

[@pc9020]

That uncle should just shut up because he does not know nothing about sexual abuse

[@user-of9fr6dr1n]

I agree. He is insufferable.

[@AmritaSengupta895]

Why is this documentary making it the brothers sound crazy and spoiled. Yes they did murder their parents but i guess we all know why they killed them.

[@Everyone_24533]

the dog might have been sacrificed, their dad seems very dark

[@wonderwoman6019]

Let these boys go already! Enough!

[@dimaborisov3598]

the uncle is a terrible person for what he said.

[@osiris_blanche]

I want to know., WHO decapitated the dog's head?

[@y0as_s169]

probably Jose ( the dad)

[@PastorVicenteBatista]

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[@gemmalouisemiles7880]

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[@gemmalouisemiles7880]

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[@foxibot]

You too Pastor.

[@gemmalouisemiles7880]

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[@tootiegolden8553]

I'm not defending what the brothers did but how can anyone tell their stories of what went on it that house? Nobody was there but them. The uncle pissed me off because how can you say them being molested by their father isn't true? No wonder they acted the way they did. How you gone tell them what did or didn't happen to them? Its just weird. No, them murdering their parents is not justified but what their father did to them is not justified either. Just because he's not on this earth anymore, does not mean he shouldn't be held accountable. The mother too. Cause she knew & chose not to believe it. That whole family was just messed up. I wouldn't be surprised if the uncle was a creep too.

[@wisconsinrebelhomes7587]

That 90s Show brought me here!

[@sallyswrld8225]

all of these people are so disgustingly ignorant it makes me so angry.. these boys were ABUSED and no one can even take two seconds to put themselves in their shoes. no kid should kill their parents BUT THEY DESERVED IT. that is not how you treat your child as a mother and i pray these poor men get justice. all the people covering for their parents are sick

[@mangocaramel]

so it’s like if you’re born into a wealthy household the fact that your parents abused you in any ways is pretty much ok? and I see people keep bringing up the fact that they celebrated and stuff, bruh, would u not celebrate if for the 1st time in your life you’re finally free? so what if their father was fking rich? were they suppose to feel happy while being molested ‘cause he was rich??

[@joyhill7315]

Raised in a sick & abusive household and being raped when still a child is perhaps a part of an explanation of murder. It is never NEVER a justification or excuse. I know this. As for these brothers, it is possible (and necessary) to condemn them for what they have done, while still holding compassion for their pain.

[@irinik786]

How the hell can these two beautiful men-souls, still be in prison after all that happened to both of them? I’m really sad and really sorry for them! Does anyone knows when they’re gonna be released?

[@jstephenj]

Let's unpack: They planned out the murder of their parents in advance. They got rid of the crime scene evidence to cover up their involvement. And then, they fabricated their alibi to innoculate themselves from suspicion. If you can't figure out why these two "beautiful men-souls" are in prison, you need to get your head straightened out. Seriously, did you get all your knowledge of criminal justice from episodes of Full House and any family sitcom in general? And if you were actually engaged in this case on a meaningful level, you'd know that they were sentenced to life without parole. So what this tells me is that you got ensnared into this case by watching Tiktok videos. So tell me, Irini K, do you think you've fallen in love with a criminal?

[@irinik786]

@@jstephenj I believe their story of abuse, and it sounds like they had been through some really tough childhood. Murder is not the solution, they should have approach things differently. That’s what I believe. Regarding TikTok videos, I haven’t seen any and I do not know the case from tik tok if that’s what you wanna know

[@rajayosafat.6048]

Thanks for information.

[@adengandjoshduo]

Biased.

[@catherinerodriguez4598]

Is there any doubt that if Jose had found the screenplay, that he wouldn't have done something extreme?? Possibly he would have murdered them instead. Where is justice there?? There is no justice at all in any of this. The resentment of the parents against the kids they broke is the height of hubris.

[@tiltheendoftim3]

I never understand why no one acts on abuse….seems to happen when it’s too late

[@janebailey8032]

I find it hard to believe a man who had affairs with women, molested his boys. They were old enough to leave but too greedy. Why kill the mother?

[@user-of9fr6dr1n]

Just because you find it "hard to believe" doesn't mean it didn't happen. The evidence for the molestation was overwhelming. Kitty was complicit. She loved Jose more than her own sons and turned a blind eye to the abuse. She aint no saint.

[@federicoarmando8359]

Everything isn’t so black and white for god’s sake. Its not either a) they are poor innocent victims of abuse b) they are spoiler rich money-hungry murderers They had a horrible mixture of circumstances that can bring the worst out of any of us. What they did is not good, but it takes just a little empathy to understand. And yeah they might’ve been a bit spoiled, self-centered, and whatever else, but how would you grow up to be if all love and human connection was taken away from you?

[@user-lp2fi9oh6h]

Kittys brother is in extreme denial. Both parents were insane. These brothers deserve justice.

[@keiraayanna1673]

might i add, the parents killed eriks, bunny. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@mccookmeow8150]

I can see where they deserved time bc murder... Is murder. You let them off and everybody expects a get off. But with all things considered they did not deserve the time that they got. They should have gotten less than 20 years. 😐

[@zey.052]

They should have gotten max 5 years, this is so stupid how it takes more then 20 years

[@nimishabhat232]

see what i don't understand is that the time they told their story was a time which wasn't openly and fully socially acceptable for men to be sexually abused. Like i remember one of the judges basically said "men cant get raped". They wouldn't fabricate this kind of story.

[@verael9359]

They disrespected their children, they used them. How outrageous.

[@yasmineblount4843]

Bruh the brother saying it didn’t happen WHERES THE PROOFFFFF

[@fannyalexander5906]

I feel like when they confronted their father regarding the molestation, they became more fearful for their lives hence buying the gun for self defense thinking their dad might kill them so the truth will be untold. However, somewhere there, it all changed.

[@zohraimam6597]

Parents job is to love their Children no matter what and even if 🎉 Children Job is to respect their Parents 🎉

[@neek9654]

Does Raul Menendez have something to do with this?

[@Anonymoususer1930]

I knew someone would say something about that

[@gcrumps]

The Father isn't here to defend himself and I hate when ppl try to do that......They were just spoiled brats. It's very easy to say a dead man abused you

[@gx9954]

What about his other victims then

[@elviraestella7554]

witnesses, letters, photographs and more witnesses. Erik and lyle lived in HELL their entire childhood.

[@kaylinwhite6584]

I heard that his other victims have all denied being abused by Jose.

[@gx9954]

@@kaylinwhite6584 only Ricky Martin. The other women in the news article told their story

[@DaRkStAr317]

Poor doggo

[@OJsimpsonsKnife]

Hold up hold up they cut off the boys dogs head off and put it in the fridge and sexually harassed their children but they’re the victims here??? Wtf

[@kaylinwhite6584]

The parents were murdered so we should just disregard that??

[@susanarsoniadou3588]

So what if they were cut off the will.. If you hate someone you don't even want a " hello" from them let alone an inheritance.I believe they snapped from the sexual abuse.

[@akdlg9sjjslk8]

What the hell, the toupee thing was the most random thing I heard it’s almost laughable how these ppl painting the brothers as villains thought this was masterful way to transition the narrative 😭😭 THE BEHEADED DOG AND MOLESTATION DONE BY THE FATHER IS OF MORE DAMNING CONCERN SMH

[@jstephenj]

The toupee is important because it's literally the (supposed) smoking gun that kicked off the murders. I agree, it's the most stupidest, contrived bullshit I've ever heard from a defense, but this is literally what the brothers and their defense counsels were trying to sell to the juries during the trials. The mother ripping Lyle's hairpiece off sounds more like something you'd see on an episode of Melrose Place than an actual prelude to double murder. It amazes me that people who support them buy this hook, line, and sinker but they do.

[@moshpitmi]

no matter how they portray the victims we know they are victims

[@selmasila7369]

Thier oncle is an effing jerk! Defending the father!

[@geyda1119]

seems to me that Graig is not a real "friend" ...

[@Cove999]

Yeah he betrayed them and was not really a real friend just for the show and money

[@WPP20]

I’ve been flipping through these episodes after the first one briefly showed the sexual abuse they experienced and none of these Episodes actually go further… did they receive treatment ? Did they see a psychologist?

[@leemontoya8028]

I was told from a Reliable Source that they were thinking about suffocating there parents! But the reason why they didn't was because they did not want to be known as the Smothers Brothers.

[@faithford9143]

was that their real parents or were they adopted.

[@shadowzero50]

Real parents

[@faithford9143]

@@shadowzero50 thanks

[@ozzieluvaya2202]

I think these boys snapped after all the trauma.

[@palomahealing5073]

I'm convinced that they were Cold, no feelings? And they made this story up.

[@Elvisdrunk]

Get them out

[@therealdeal3672]

Used to like Terry Moran.

[@jstephenj]

You don't like Terry Moran? Why? He said that the brothers killing their parents out of greed and fear were both equally valid reasons. Just because he doesn't sufficiently suck up to the defense the way that you and the tiktok brigade does is rather pathetic.

[@susanpalacios12]

So hard to hear the uncle not believe them but sadly this is how it is in many families. Not excusing murder but they should’ve had a fair trial with all the molested allegations included.

[@just.shaqeel1425]

Wow!

[@Nunzi3]

Was there ever an appeal? If anyone got a chance it’s these guys .

[@familymovie6152]

An interesting video and then George Stephanopoulos just runs and runs and runs and runs his mouth in the end I would never turn onto anything to listen to what Stephanopoulos has to say