Inside the plan to straighten out dirt late model bodies

[@miketowell3674]

This is Steve Kinzer and Mike from Indiana. Yeah I still watch nice NASCAR. It’s the greatest sleep aid there is.

[@PinMonkey1960]

NapCar

[@fewworddotrick]

Dear lord how true, when I watch nascar I make sure my whole afternoon is free because I know I'm gonna fall asleep.

[@jimmieroan9881]

@@fewworddotrick well guys, im a tried and true dirt fan ex driver and at my age i'm only able to watch now, but i'm also a nascar fan from the early 50s, no the real racing is not as good as it once was, but we have fewer driver killed or seriously injured, today instead of going in the hole at every race we have instant millionaires soon after contract signing. the simple solution is if you really hate it so much then don't watch. as annoying as the announcers are and the entertainment factor always comes before quality racing, very few of us have the skill or balls to drive inches apart at speeds of close or over 200 mph. sometimes i think the critics of nascar forget what it takes to drive one of these cars. just my opinion, old dirt late model guy and ex nascar mechanic.

[@Trackratz-zl9di]

That graph is a very accurate representation of my Sunday sleeping patterns.

[@tsmedia7883]

I started (and still am) a huge NASCAR fan. Then over time have transitioned into being a big dirt fan. I guess maybe I just like multiple forms of motorsports like I do sports. Fun stuff. Great Daily, Justin!

[@benntroutman4517]

I still watch NASCAR - since the 80’s. Not ashamed to admit it.

[@mikelyons2831]

Great show JF. Best concise Dirt news hands down. Although I've spent a small fortune on midget, sprint & dirt LMs, however my first love is 2 wheel racing. MX, Speedway, Rd-course where "elbows out" actually hits elbows together.

[@barryallen6612]

If it racing I usually watch it I have even watched lawn mowers race not a drag racing fan but if it comes on after nascar I'll watch 😊 great show as usual

[@davidburchfield2720]

Sorry I wasn't watching Nascar i was bilding a ramp on to my porch for my wife's scooter so she can get out of the house but she watches Nascar she is a truex fan !! Love your show Justin god bless

[@chappybmx]

@7:22 Couldn't agree more! All forms of motorsports are great from sport compacts to F1.

[@markpolacek7840]

I know i haven't watched nascar in 2 years. Its not that i don't like it but retirement is a month away and been workin ot for more race adventures this yr. Really pumped for B- shep running the outlaws in jacksonville! Will make the drive so hope weather is good. Dirt templates will keep playing field level. Show is still great enjoy when i can.

[@jeffperry7971]

I’m not watching NASCAR. I promise. However, I must admit, I do LOVE INDYCAR, and I was watching Long Beach. But I NEVER miss an episode of DIRTRACKR! Thanks Justin. Great show!

[@patfoley5092]

Love your analysis of NASCAR viewership vs Daily Show hits. In God we trust, all others bring data! Long Beach was a great watch

[@DaddyOof4]

To me, racing is racing. I do enjoy dirt racing live over pavement racing, but I watch it all. It was my desire to watch ARCA racing that really turned me on to the dirt fan.

[@yrick82]

We are all race fans. Whatever our preference, we all like having racing on tv. Sundays happen to be NASCARs day. So it’s on. Weather I like the product or agree with the sanctioning body on the direction of their series, it fills my Sundays.

[@susanmcgalliard7885]

I myself watched my NY Rangers beat up on the Capitals and that finished right around the same time the race ended , LGR !

[@RichardRiedeman]

Now that I am 62 years ( been going to races from age 5. ). Cars should put to rear if they bring out yellow or red . Some times it's just racing maybe put both back ? This always hard to do but someone is responsible .

[@pocohlocoh8536]

I'll be at Hagerstown this Saturday

[@hawkifish]

Ok, so here's my take on the NASCAR thing. I'm a guilty party here and I'll admit it. I told someone just yesterday at church that I don't really watch NASCAR anymore. The reality of it is that if I'm home & nothing else is going on, I'm going to watch the race. What I really mean when I say I don't watch NASCAR anymore is that for a big majority of my life, my world revolved around it. I planned my weekends around being able to watch the Cup race and the Busch series too if I could. Since about 2017 I just don't follow it as much. I don't know all of the drivers anymore & I usually don't even know what track they are at from week to week or what time the race is. I don't have an issue with NASCAR, and like I said, if the race is on, I'll turn it on and watch it. It's just not the same situation for me as it was say 10 years ago or more. It's easier to just say I don't watch anymore. For sure though, if NASCAR is up against WoO, HL, or even Knoxville, I'm watching sprint cars instead. That wasn't an option 10 years ago and beyond.

[@Ottos_ScLm_Race_videos_2009_on]

As I wrote on your face book post, I watch the last 1/2 hour to hour of a NASCAR race if nothing else is on. Also how many laps are left. Right now it's golf majors, NBA playoffs, Indy Car. If I remember and don't fall a sleep. Lol

[@crouchb15]

hell yea I still watch nascar. goin to pocono in July. Go Blaney!

[@brandoncourson1074]

I saw some videos of talladega but it was of the stripper show at the campground not the race!

[@brentkrueger7848]

With sprint cars and having raced them the best racing is on dry slick tracks were it takes driving abilities and throttle control.. if the track is tacky and alot of grip there tends to be know passing hammer down hold ur line

[@zacyoung25]

Fixing the bodies is easy. Trim the spoiler and make the sides symmetrical and deck flat again. It would unstick the cars and make it more of a drivers game than setup. We had those rules in place once before, and they were not enforced which led us to where we are today. I dont think we need to complicate things for the few local guys that still run handmade bodies. This will just add more pages to the already stupidly thick rule book in the long run.

[@bobfoder3387]

You know Justin I enjoy dirt racing primarily. I do take other types of motorsports.Race fans should be glad that there are speed ways out there .Take a friend with you especially one that's never been to a race.They might enjoy it.Who knows one day there might not be any loud forms of motorsports.

[@Hazmatt3446]

😂😂😂. That’s hilarious! I don’t watch NASCAR but those analytics give it all up, don’t they? I probably would watch once in a while if I didn’t work most weekends.

[@Moncherz055]

church stuff got done going on at that time, i see this influx at my job every sunday. sunday meals families going back home...etc

[@bobpatterson3686]

Real racers watch any kind of Motorsports real Racers love it all

[@Kevin-fq4hf]

i have no idea when the nascar race was on .let alone got over. I did watch Utica Rome

[@burgoo64]

Not me. I used to work in Nascar myself and don't watch it at all anymore.

[@RacingVagabond]

I wasnt watching anything, i was sitting at a dirt track.

[@bobsmyth9776]

I watch KZbin NASBOR Highlights-- saves time watching paint dry

[@ZachWiddes10z]

It amazes me that sanctioning bodies try to control cost so much and yet things only still continue to get more expensive while trying to be controlled. Almost like it doesn’t work

[@mjriemen]

I watched zero NASCAR on Sunday… I was too busy watching Livestreams on Facebook. 🤯

[@craigerplace9445]

Not a fair comparison yesterday was Talladega not just another Napcar race

[@champeyon489]

I’m going buy a new Kubota today just so I can use the app!

[@downhomeonthefarm6464]

And when they finish equalizing the SLM bodys, cubic inch limits will be next...

[@logangreer2012]

Build a box and you have to drive through it to get on the track. If your car fits, you’re good. if you crash into any part of the box, you’re not good.

[@adampeterson8359]

How do we change the rules so we have more exciting racing.

[@lilolme69]

You must live in Texas...

[@adampeterson8359]

@@lilolme69I prefer the opposite sex.

[@af4jm]

I watched IndyCar, IMSA, as much of the WEC race as MotorTrend aired & highlights of F1 in addition to the Silver Crown race & several sprint races (HL, WoW, IRA, ASCS)... for a while I watched the NASCAR road course races, but gave up on that after there were no driving standards penalties levied for the finish of the truck race at CTMP in 2016... how professional is a racing series? how strictly do they enforce driving standards?

[@manleybrittain1296]

I watched NASCAR yesterday that was the first time in ages, The racing is so bad now,They need more horsepower!

[@mattfetter4123]

Didn't watch ! Listened. Restriction racing sucks.

[@joeracerable]

I don’t watch nascar anymore. Maybe a sneak peak every once in a while but that’s it. Like last year’s race at the end when I didn’t even know Ryan Blaney had a chance to win the championship which he did.

[@shanedevlin6097]

If one team was dominating then maybe look at it. But teams are supposed to look for advantages don't take that away. This is not Nascar and I that dirt fans don't want it to be myself for one.

[@saltybildo9448]

I think prolly yesterday was a Talladega thing

[@edminas3159]

What is Nascar?

[@North-101-Racing]

Obviously you know

[@landonmurray3814]

Alright I watch nascar, but the whole time I'm sitting there begging for a better short track car and a lot more intermediates and short tracks

[@RichardRiedeman]

I like road course others can win. The best car doesn't always beat better driver 9 Hendricks car and driver. Best bet , 😮😊😊😊😊😊❤

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

*_sigh_* Dirt late models aren't exactly showroom stock cars either and haven't been for many decades. This sudden need to control things feels like it happened at a completely arbitrary point in time, to me. Suddenly, everyone's started panicking for basically no reason, especially considering that even the most radically skewed cars in dirt late model racing aren't exactly sea urchins with wings sticking out everywhere like the pre-2022 F1 cars were. It's stuff like *that* which REALLY causes colossal amounts of turbulent wake, versus the large and relatively clean surfaces of about every dirt late model picture I've ever seen. Putting aside the usually vague meaning of "the racing getting worse/better", what effect has there really been apart from the usual anyway? All this really serves to do is freeze the evolution of what are, again, already highly specialized machines, and slowing or freezing the evolution of the cars _always_ makes motorsport less interesting.....especially so when the design aspects impacted are visual. TL;DR: This feels like a non-issue to me. As someone who watched Formula One intently from 2017 to 2022 and still follows MotoGP pretty closely, the appeal of the latter series is that you can often visually spot the changes in the machines, even from race to race! F1, meanwhile, deals in detail changes so small one often struggles to see their significance. Oh yeah, and then there's that Dan Binks line about sprint car and midget racing: _"But the coolest racing ever - still, they haven’t ruined it yet - is Sprint Cars and Midgets. I love it. There’s basically no rules. The car has to weigh this much and the tire has to be in this place. _*_I came from GTLM where you can’t even drill a hole in the car because it’s not on the FIA paperwork, you know? That’s not racing to me anymore._* “There’s no limits here. Whatever you can dream up, you can do. I don’t have millions of dollars. I spent all of my own money. I tell people that I spent my pontoon boat money on my Midget engine.” I'd rather dirt late models be more like sprints, midgets, and MotoGP than be more like NASCAR and F1. Maybe that's just me.

[@667illin]

I didn't even know where NASCAR was racing yesterday except that they said Larson was at Talladega due to the NASCAR race.

[@annisarden8095]

nascar blocking and crashing

[@saltybildo9448]

Remember pay attn to your own, don't rely on a company to do it for you FTG and big brother

[@somethinburnin]

All honesty, have not watched Nascar since Dodge left. If I do leave, it is NY Rangers are going for the Stanley Cup!

[@kylen82]

Lots of toxic people calling themselves racing fans

[@coryrobbins162]

The racing has been suffering immensely from aero for nearly 10 years. This isn't a new problem, but one that continues to get worse. Non enforcement of convex roofs, tilted roofs, nose splitters, and ever reducing the frontal height of the nose are all big contributions to the synthesis of the issue. But sure, bring a laser template to check if the body is 7 degrees askew instead of 5. Play in the weeds, make compliance more complicated, when the issue is obvious.

[@tomt9543]

My opinion is that dirt super lates bodies are too “out there”!

[@jamesvanhook84]

Leave the bodies alone and let teams innovate. Part of the appeal of a late model is the craziness of the bodies. We don’t need next gen late models. (Edit- as I wrote this you acknowledged people will make nascar remarks lmao)

[@ChrisS-oo6fl]

Not to mention it’s the one are where it’s nearly FREE to find these gains and competitive edge. Besides normal material costs, Building and hanging a body is FREE. Cad software is FREE. Aero Information is FREE. CFD simulation software is FREE. Testing on track during events is FREE. These rules will just shift cost and focus to other regions of the build and we will continue to chase those with even more rules we always do. A dog chasing it’s own tail.

[@Trackratz-zl9di]

Is there really SLM teams going to the wind tunnels ? Having had some experience in the past with Indy cars at wind tunnels I can tell you the cost is off the hook and there are only a handful of tunnels around the country suitable for cars .

[@manga12]

@model-grail-kit-hunter I like some inventivness but the shape is getting out of hand, it scarcely resembles a full bodied car anymore, just like openwheel cars dont quite resemble coups or roadsters anymore, but there is some semblance to the bodies looking the same and a big or variety in the engine cover or bars but from the side something like a sprint or silver crown champ car they still have the profile of some of the old cars especially a silver crown narrowed front end long engine bay and streamline vained top fuel tank even if they are not as pretty as the old round nose or watson roadsters when the pavement cars resembled the mile track dirt cars or had a very close shape if that makes sense, that car with the scoop hood and boomerang body that looks like something godzilla stepped on its too much, I get it you want the aero flow but its no longer looking like a car a little bit fine but that is too much.

[@russcarlson7151]

Chassis builders go to the wind tunnel, testing body mods.

[@jamesvanhook84]

@@manga12 look into the history of late mode bodies. They haven’t resembled cars in a long long time. Some craziness in the past are the wedge cars, side damn cars, hell even mid engine cars. The body twisting looks awesome in my opinion. Droop rules, suspension component rules ect limit the teams so they are pushing things in the body area to get an advantage. Nothing new in racing.

[@RegularJoes]

Honestly, have nothing against NASCAR, watched for many years but when they changed the point system in the early 2000's I simply stopped watching. I've seen headlines, maybe watched a few highlights like the wall ride but have never tuned into a race since the points change. I only watch dirt racing now and mainly stick with sprint cars and midgets.

[@bertkastl7707]

I don't like the carbon fiber bodies and restrictor plates drivers won't be stupid at Daytona and Talladega let them go and get back to metal bodies

[@chrislenton3749]

No nascar still love the show though

[@terrygarvin1392]

I find myself watching even though I have said I am done so there is some truth to what you say.. That 25 cars body is bizarre but I have thought they were Goofy ever since they got that yaw in the bodies.

[@jeffreyoswald9554]

I believe dirt latemodels should not look all twisted up. Can't they at least have the body going straight.

[@jeffomspaugh6691]

I think the body should be straight and get rid of the rear steer.

[@80nodrog]

I only watch Nascar to see how SVG is doing

[@jimgifford3386]

I was watching indycar.....

[@rockybw66]

Keep the dirt coming. I will pass on nascar. We need more non wing sprint car stories.

[@chrisvogel2v]

Oh snap, dirt vs asphalt lol

[@scottdickinson613]

I keep up with NASCAR, but if I have to choose I’ll watch a crate late model race over NASCAR any day. If the Hurricanes are playing in the playoffs I’m watching that. Go Canes!!!!! PS : The Rangers suck!😂

[@rayisland23]

Have not watched a Nascrap race in years. I watch highlights the following day. Don't like "Stage Racing" ,"Lucky Dog" and the rest of that crap

[@davidglover5642]

I promise you that I do NOT watch NASCAR. I am a dirt fan

[@scottnickolas9593]

I for one am happy about the template. I use to love the look of Dirt Late Models until they started skewing the body’s. Now they just look plain strange and dare I say ugly.

[@TroyStrausbaugh]

Why don’t you talk about Brad sweet punting James McFadden out of the ballpark not ballpark hotdogs

[@DIRTRACKR]

Talked about it yesterday. Hit that subscribe button and the notification bell so you can keep up.

[@samleary2733]

Maybe I’m weird, but I’m all for the latemodels getting all twisted up and wonky looking. That sort of crazy innovation is one of the things I like most about dirt racing. It’s sucks that it’s expensive and I get that. Just cool to see other people’s ideas come to life and what they think is the best way to get around a circle quickly

[@BillSmithBooks]

I hate-watch NASCAR sometimes. 😀 It's like watching those "catty sleazy housewives" shows and realizing, "Glad I'm not in the middle of that."

[@Foxracing218]

😂☠️shots fired (for real you couldn’t pay me to watch NASCAR since Jeff Gordon and dale jr retired it hasn’t been the same but my dad says since the stage been active it’s been better to watch for racing wise

[@ChrisS-oo6fl]

It was a big topic among fans and extremely less competent regnal teams or underclassman . Most whom don’t know what they’re discussing or have irrelevant opinions. AERO is the CHEAPEST area for teams to find an advantage or compete with the major players. CFD simulation is actually FREE. It’s not 1995 you don’t need a wind tunnel! Even if you do, you can make one in your own shop for under 500. Series have continued to screw up with aero and trying to fix dirty air. The wickerbill was a primary example of this incompetence and backwards thinking. We have to STOP claiming rules are necessary and are intended to reduce cost as they have traditionally and consistently proven to have an opposite effect. You cannot name a single cost savings measure that has actually saved racers money and not driven up costs! This is true for even the modified classes. This also speaks to the deranged an false narrative that our sport and modern cars are soooo technologically advanced. We constantly add rules to prevent any and all innovation. This sport has been paralyzed by overreach. This has created poor racing as its reduced variables on the track (just like cup). What we have learned from nascar is that clone racing makes for bad racing especially on the short track. This is a notion that even the most diehard nascar fans and driver would agree with as its a constant topic of discussion! The last thing we need is fans opinions about rules. I dont want a Hunt the front stan impacting the design process of my builds. Teams themselves have consistently supported ideology and rules that have consistently degraded the sport and driven up costs. We’ve been on a dangerous trajectory with rules and over reach along with this antiquated sense of nostalgia that often drives these rules. Sanctifications can’t continue to cut/copy and paste rules without any rational thought and evaluating it’s true effects on competition and costs. It’s time boomers and people of a certain age are removed from their positions. I don’t need a technological fearing dinosaur born before the Vietnam war deciding the limits of sports evolution. Nor do I need a man with a high school diploma as his highest level of education who graduated in a tiny rural town, graduating mid class deciding our sports technical limits. A body can be built and hung in any shop for free. It’s the most basic part of car construction that any competent racer can do. Testing and research is FREE and can be conducted through on track throughout the season. It only requires a very primitive comprehension of aero dynamics. Information is readily available and FREE. Cad is available for FREE. CFD software is FREELY available and accessible! You can get a person of fiver or upwork to model your car for almost nothing and also run simulation/analysis! The gains are cheaper and easier then hydraulics and shocks. People treat technology and advances like its 1682 in Salem Massachusetts.

[@ChrisS-oo6fl]

This channel and other coverage including social media is a contributing factor to this nonsense. Innovation and off track competition was the cure genetics of this sport. Something modern generations and newer favs fail to comprehend. Most dint have any concept of what good racing was like. They support overbearing rules that continue to drive up costs and reduce car count and front gate sales. They don’t know what it was like to have a few hundred cars at the track each night, or ti have to show up hours early to get a seat in the stands. Rules contributed to these changes along with industry greed. The most primitive cognition can comprehend the fact that teams will still try to twist the rules regardless of how strict they are and hard rules will only shift the focus and the cost to other areas of the car. We’ve witnessed it a million times. If any dirt fan substantiates or otherwise supports the rules and procedures of nascar then they don’t fully grasp the industry or Motorsports in general. Those rules In nascar drastically drove up costs of the sport. They made it far more difficult for small teams to compete, reduced employment with the teams and slaughtered the quality of racing. The attendance continued to fell off too. Even with the new single supply car which was slated to reduce costs have driven up costs (something reported publicly by nearly ever team) it’s also killed the quality of racing (a well known fact ). In what works would it be logical to mimic that environment and failed ideology? Regardless of one’s bias towards nascar anyone with the most primitive of common sense would avoid templeting that model. Body rules are strict enough in all series on dirt. Period!

[@jwahrmund]

Sorry. No asphalt racing on my tv or phone. Dirt is for racing, the paved stuff is just how you get there

[@JoeLinux2000]

I don't like the weird cattywampus look of the alleged late model dirt cars. They are just too kooky for my tastes. I don't like they tilt when actually racing. Therefore I don't watch them. I use to watch them when Colorado National was a dirt track. They weren't so weird back then.

[@JoeLinux2000]

Just make a rule that they have to be symmetrical, and the bodies have to hang on the frame in a pleasant fashion. Presently they are like a woman with one boob 30% larger than the other.

[@sweetdaddydee1314]

Yeahhhhhh, i flat out refuse to watch the snoozefest of nascar. There will be almost nothing that will get me to watch it again.

[@Jeffstephaniea]

Do not watch NASCAR. Busy with God, church and family on Sundays.

[@briankbender5757]

Leave the late models alone and I watch all kinds of racing

[@outfitsgarage88]

Make them look like a car again. These represent nothing to a real car. Let's see them bodies great again

[@BillDonahue-xk9kg]

I DEFINITELY DO NOT WATCH NASCRAP!

[@TRM83]

This is not nascar. Leave the boys alone!! And I haven't watched nascar since Bubba did the knot thing.

[@georgew.5639]

I don’t like when all the cars look alike. It’s bad for racing. But then I’m not a fan of crazy looking car bodies. Both are not good. But cookie cutter cars are far worse.

[@WalterBoring]

I cant stand late model cars the way they look. I refuse to watch the races. The cars just look stupid.

[@no1likeDW]

they trying to turn this sport into nascar wih nore rules and less freedoms and no i cannot stand watching nascar and have boycotted nascar since they changed the points and made a show out of it dirt rules nascar drools

[@voodoo7008]

I don’t watch nascar.

[@TheSpeedracer1982]

Are we sure the twisted bodies need fixing? The more NASCAR fixed it the worse the racing became.

[@speediepitstop1531]

I have no problem with NASCAR just hate the road racin and the really dumb street race, but NASCAR oval racing no problem there, just wish they did not use a spec. car, the racing use to be much better, i seem to enjoy the Xfinity series more than the Cup series these days

[@speediepitstop1531]

@@StartsWithALetter they could be good if the drivers would race instead of driving around at 40 percent throttle, that is not racing

[@ckalinec]

What an unbelievably bad take on not wanting road racing.

[@speediepitstop1531]

@@StartsWithALetter thats not racing and that is what people pay for and watch for

[@speediepitstop1531]

@@ckalinec if you enjoy those races nothing wrong with that but i don't

[@daleolson3506]

Crash car was better when talent got you a ride not nice hair and a wallet

[@Har-ebal-zenal]

Shit i DO NOT watch #NASCAR anymore. Don't like the new cars or anything about it anymore.

[@Uphold-your-Rights]

Here ya go, Justin. This covers it all so you can delete the rest. Napcar Templates suck. Just like Nascar. We dont watch it. We are busted. Love the show. I forgot...we love Kabota.

[@jimtharp5375]

I think Nascar. Sucks I definitely don't ever watch it I do like Indy car but I gave up my good seats at the brick yard years ago when I struggled to get face value after hurrying back from Eldora and gave up my spring Michigan tickets that I got from my dad who had been getting them for many years Nascar is not worth my time and I havenot watched a race for over 20 years lol