Inside the Twisted New World of Gypsy Rose Blanchard: What NO ONE is Talking About | Downfall

[@toadsberg400]

as an autistic person who is so sick of the way we're talked about in society in general - who also LOVES your videos - i have to admit i was nervous as the video began & the topic of autism inevitably came up. But my heart then filled with a surge of warm relief as you went on to say all good, informed, accurate stuff about us & about autism - without harping on it at all, purely being respectful while actually caring to learn what autistic people prefer. thank you so much!

[@CaileighMadlyn]

Same so sick of the way society talks about autistic people

[@Alayhoo]

Same!!! Thank you for sharing your experience! I’m always so cautiously optimistic when non-autistic folks talk about our community so it was so refreshing and heartwarming to not feel disappointed yet again. Yay Swoop!

[@freddyplaysgamesandmuchmor7285]

​@@CaileighMadlynSame it's so sickening how we are treated. I get stereotyped a lot because I look "normal"

[@CDN_Bookmouse]

People don't "believe" that I'm disabled even though my doctor was able to convince the government, which is notoriously hard to do here. The government believes me, but people who meet me don't because I can hold a conversation and walk around looking normal. They're fooled by the human suit I've zipped myself into >_>@@freddyplaysgamesandmuchmor7285

[@avathegryffinclaw]

me too. i always get so nervous when autistic people get brought up because of how it is used to excuse behaviour and make autistic people look aggressive and evil

[@hotboxhorror]

And lets be VERY clear. Anyone who goes after someone who is in prison in a romantic way is usually not all right in the head themselves. aka her husband.

[@iolitelight]

Oh I think that he's more right in the head than her.

[@mirandajones7816]

@@iolitelightwhat do you mean?

[@iolitelight]

@@mirandajones7816 Nick is sick and dangerous. But Gypsy is more sick and dangerous. Abuse like that creates monsters.

[@Northern_Calling]

​@iolitelight But they're not talking about Nick, they're talking about her husband, Ryan.

[@vela0854]

Sorry to say I get some 🚩. I hope I’m wrong

[@shrimpgeisha]

There's something very uncomfortable about a man (Gypsy's husband) who specializes in working with vulnerable children with special needs being attracted to someone like Gypsy who was also thought of as being special needs and certainly (at one point) vulnerable.

[@ThatIrishRose317]

As someone who works in the helping field - the biggest predators get jobs in the helping professions, because they know they’ll get access to a vulnerable pool while getting praise for all they do

[@LunaHiddenStars]

I feel like the reason why her demeanor is childlike, is because of her trauma. I'm not defending her, but as someone who's gone through trauma throughout my childhood, I can understand that. Other things though, not so much...

[@MaqWithaQ]

Yes! And how his answer to how he heard of her is always, “i saw her story and thought she was cute”… like what? She was convicted w her boyfriend and her pictures were of her dressed as a child.. and he thought she was cute?

[@repurposedart9897]

He is a perp who should not be around vulnerable children... It is a pattern for IPs to place themselves around people they can victimize...

[@ld-zj1bn]

100%

[@kittenmitten7360]

I mean.. her mother is truly a monster but I can't keep going back to the MASSIVE point that these doctors that allowed this crap to go on.. and on.. and on for ALLLL those years, should be put behind bars. HEAVILY medicating a child and doing countless, POINTLESS surgeries and procedures and treatments.. my mind is absolutely blown how this went on for decades of a child's life.

[@miriamiuricich6636]

Totally agree. “To do no harm”, that’s the oath that doctors take. Also it is extremely rare for girls to have Muscular Dystrophy so that should have been picked up immediately by medical professionals. The stats don’t lie. Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy (DMD) is an X-linked recessive neuromuscular disease. This fatal disease affects approximately 1:3,500 to 6,000 live male births [1] and 1:50,000, in female live births.

[@xoxsilentrealmxox]

Has any medical professional ever verified that any of this happened?

[@KingOfGaymes]

Same, how did doctors put a child through chemo, put in a feeding tube and god knows what else just because the mom told them to? They’re all untrustworthy and shouldn’t be allowed to keep working as doctors

[@serenetiv]

it's a little bit weird how this is the opposite of Maya Kowalski who has a diagnosed condition but the hospital said her mother had munchhausen by proxy and terrible things happened....

[@irismoon8435]

There's 2 types of people doctors tend to not listen to: children and women. Narc parents are an exception apparently.

[@vykepp5709]

I don't think it's a debate if shes manipulative or not. Girl was crying and lying to the police saying "don't tell me she killed herself, she's bipolar". Im sure she's lied about other things as well. Her whole life she was taught to lie and manipulate things to get attention and nice things

[@nicolebenson4517]

💯percent!

[@Kaelynjschneider]

My mom is a missing person. I’m a content creator and talk about her case, but I’m always looking spread her story with as many people as possible we are Alaskan native indigenous it’s really common for indigenous women to go missing and not be searched for her cases very very odd and we believe the police are involved I would be so grateful if you covered her story.

[@ErinJeanette]

What's her name? It would help to share something identifiable about her? Just saying she's "indigenous" is pretty vague. I hope you find her.

[@RinaRoo2You]

@Swoop did you see this?

[@brinazarski]

The Lore Lodge might cover it if she disappeared in a national park (i think those are the specific stories they cover - still new to their channel). One of Simon Whistler’s writers might cover it for one of his podcasts as well (I would assume for Decoding the Unknown). I imagine there’s a possibility that penguinz0 and SomeOrdinaryGamers might cover it; they talk about a lot of things. Good luck

[@Jordan-nw4sj]

@@ErinJeanette Tracy day, she went missing on Valentine's Day in 2019.

[@josscasa]

@swoop

[@onceuponamelody]

Just fyi, there are people that can walk and still use wheelchairs called ambulatory wheelchair users. Joint issues, chronic pain, and fainting can be many reasons why people need a wheelchair even though they can walk. I am an ambulatory wheelchair user, so just because you see someone stand up from a chair and walk a bit, doesn't mean they don't need a wheelchair.

[@justkiddin84]

Yes! Glad to see someone say so!

[@blueismylove3128]

I agree but I think it's understood that Gypsy's mom wanted people to think she couldn't walk at all

[@claritey]

​@@blueismylove3128That was the image Dee Dee was trying to portray but the point is that Gypsy just standing up wouldn't have immediately outed her mother as a fraud. Family members did see Gypsy walk on more than one occasion but how Dee Dee explained it away was that Gypsy had good days and bad days but the bad days were getting more frequent so she has to stay in the chair more often.

[@PPillow]

I'm glad I read through the comments before watching this. I obviously won't be watching now. I rarely see anyone talk about Nick being a self-admitted pedophile, but plenty of opinions based on accusations about Gypsy and rampant ableism.

[@TheTroubledAdoptee]

@@PPillowhey I’d actually watch it. I think u may find this one is different. I promise she is not ableist and states very neutral and fact based as well as exploring the mental health sides of Nicks diagnosis as well 🫂❤️

[@helyns1416]

For what it's worth, I'm autistic and i have never heard anyone say they have a problem with saying someone is "on the spectrum."

[@kateashby3066]

I took issue with that too. And not because wanna be difficult but it seems so arbitrary and no explanation for it was given. I do have a problem being PC JUST because one person decided an entire community should be a certain way- if it makes no sense. So I’d love more info on this.

[@Kelekona]

I can, as someone who isn't Autistic see why because several people I have met have used it in a weird tone. I know that sounds weird but they'd say it kind of low and in a shitty kind of way. Ex: "Oh well you know...They're on the spectrum" then that person would roll their eyes or make a face. It's very much a context thing but yeah.

[@helyns1416]

@@Kelekona Yeah. People do use it as a euphemism sometimes. I think maybe the other issue is that sometimes people will say "everybody is a little on the spectrum." Which isn't really true and can be sort of a misleading concept.

[@flute_girl19]

Yeah me to I’m a proud autistic

[@MrLnmolnar]

As an autistic person with 2 autistic children and 3 NOT austistic children... We use, and prefer, "on the spectrum" to "autistic person(s).

[@marissabulso6439]

Her lack of remorse for what she did to Nick is what gets me. Several times I have heard her say, in essence, that he deserves his prison sentence, when she has to know she used him as a tool to achieve her ends. I get not wanting to incriminate herself further, but that doesn’t mean she has to go around speaking of him so unsympathetically.

[@heidiheidi]

People treating her like a pop icon is insane.

[@jasontodd7450]

Right??? Like, it just feels weird. People were demanding she make a tiktok and have a social media presence and it's baffling the level people are going when it comes to idolizing her. She doesn't need a presence as an influencer, she needs trauma therapy. And lots more of it.

[@joshcannon3600]

Our society is mentally ill

[@smidgelette]

It’s sickening and feeding the need for attention her mother instilled in her sadly. She gives the odd public service description of MB that you can get off Google and then back to garnering attention via the rest of social media. Super uncomfortable.

[@justkiddin84]

Yes, and the one it hurts the most is her. Gross.

[@DW702-jw]

She shouldn’t be held up as a star I think she’s really getting a big head over this Enjoying every moment She needs therapy!

[@corvidae6773]

As a fellow autistic person; no, Nick probably did not realize he could lie to make himself look better. To many of us, if you're asked a question, you answer it as factually as possible, and it often leads to a lot of problems, because others will assume there's more/hidden meaning behind our answers.

[@PettyUniversity]

Thank you so much for your insight 💙

[@TheRPGNerd]

at the same time i really hate how ppl act like he couldnt have known something was wrong. we arent literal children.

[@elliotostling5850]

On the other side though I lie all the time because of my autism in an attempt to fit it

[@iUnderstand]

​@@TheRPGNerdYou could always just choose not to identify with him. Everyone is different, even if they have commonalities, or even the same diagnosis... Just because Nick is dumb and was said to have the mind of a 15-16 year old forever, doesn't mean he didn't know better- but it also doesn't mean that he could fully grasp what the consequences of his love-lured actions would be. And just because he's autistic doesn't mean he's like you

[@moonwalkerangel7008]

⁠@@elliotostling5850Masking is a method to conceal Autistic traits from society so they “belong” with the majority. It is a social survival strategy. Or in other words, pretending to be something else. It is a form of lying. Sadly it does have consequences for anyone mask but until everyone can accept each other, Masking is the only way. I do empathise because masking is not easy and it can be exhausting.

[@strawberryskygirl44]

this is a case that has been covered SO many times before, but I can always count on Swoop to give her opinion with the grace and respect that it deserves

[@emilywilson2084]

She’s really the only person I want to see cover it

[@mybeautyfilledlife]

Seconding this comment. My timeline has been FLOODED with videos about this to the point where if I never see her name again it'll be too soon - until Swoop SWOOPS in with a whole new perspective 🫶🏽

[@jrsodkes2776]

SWOOP! SWOOP! SWOOP!

[@eternallyirresistible]

shes really the only person that does this with a objective mind

[@Ksklarge1]

It's not really been covered unless swoop covers it lol ❤😂

[@mpa7263]

As an autistic person, Nick's diagnosis was correctly brought up. Autism is something he lives with, and it impacts his every move and decision, and it absolutely HAD TO BE CONSIDERED in sentencing. It may harm the community, but that's not an excuse when a person's livelihood is in question.

[@vsailorsv]

I suffered many years of medical abuse at the hands of my mother. None of the doctors listened to me and I tried to run away multiple times. I’m so tired of seeing people saying Gypsy Rose could have just gotten help. Nobody has any idea what that is like. You feel so trapped and alone. I am continuing to work through my medical trauma and distrust of doctors over a decade later.

[@karmAnonymous]

I am in 100% agreement with you.... I'm truly disturbed by the absence of discernment & empathy.... How prevalent abuse is YET... Victim-blaming/shaming to go around... Also I have an extremely similar story to you.

[@vsailorsv]

@@karmAnonymous It makes me so sad. She was a child at one point who actually had more mothering in prison than in her own home. I can count on one hand how many times I was allowed to hang out with friends. So I tended to hang with the more unsavory crowd because that’s who understood my long absences. I felt normal around them. I feel like Gypsy experienced the same thing with Nick. My life could have gone a whole different way if I didn’t escape at 18 with a boy. Gypsy didn’t even know how old she was?! That’s insane. The depth of her mother’s web of lies went way further than I’m sure Gypsy is aware of. I’m so happy to see her doing grwm and ootd. That was stolen from her.

[@vsailorsv]

@@karmAnonymous edit to add I am so so sorry you went through something similar. Nobody will understand what a select few of us went through. I’m glad you’re ok friend ❤️

[@reginaheath6131]

You went through horrible abuse and trauma, but I don't think you let someone in to k ill you mom.

[@vsailorsv]

@@reginaheath6131 I didn’t but I wouldn’t fault another for doing so. I don’t think I went that route because I was a teenager when my trauma began so I had a good foundation of right and wrong to go upon. Gypsy’s started at I believe 6-8y.o and possibly sooner. You can’t tell me that wouldn’t fuck your concept of reality/right/wrong. If anything what she did was premeditated self defense. I mean ffs she thought she was 16 or something when she did it too.

[@AKbaby89]

I know someone who was SA'd by their grandfather, and when the grandfather was arrested (and immediately admitted everything) , the grandmother (blood related btw) literally went around the neighborhood and to their friends and told everyone that the CHILD (12 at the time) was a wh0r3 and she was just lying because she wanted attention. I actually threw up when i found that out, i couldnt believe a FULL grown adult (in her late 60s) would do that to their first born granddaughter. Its truly insane that some people literally blame the victim. It makes me so mad. Karma is real though and she doesnt forget.

[@LoudnProudOne]

Wow! That’s very sick!! It seems both the grandparents are more concerned with image and hiding who they really are. The grandma knows what kind of perv she married. Smh. I hope the little girl is doing ok. I pray for healing of her mind, soul and body.

[@Aashka_The_Mystic]

It probably wasn't the first time either. He most likely did that to other children and she would say the same, that it was the little girl's fault

[@ajad420]

Happens more than you know sadly

[@AKbaby89]

@Aashka_The_Empath yeah he always came off super creepy to me, I thought the same thing.

[@AKbaby89]

@fcklife182 I'm so so sorry you went through that. I hope you have good people around you now. Thats horrible. I'm so sorry🫂❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹

[@CottageCritter]

As a diagnosed autistic individual, when the heck did “on the spectrum” become bad? I’ve had autism since a kid and man, I can NOT keep up with the social standards of what I’m supposed to even call myself and I hate it. I thought using on the spectrum was emphasizing that autism is a spectrum and everyone’s needs are different. I really can’t keep up. Thank you for being respectful, it’s always hard to make everyone happy, but I think as long as your intent is good - that’s what matters. If anyone is offended by others doing their best they need to take a step back. It’s hard to get any respect or help, and then half the time people do there’s an argument over not helping the right way. It’s just not okay. Thank you for being respectful, mindful, and kind Swoop. You’re an actual Angel.

[@StephanyTheGoAT]

My son was diagnosed autistic and that's exactly how the psychologist explained it to me. He was on the spectrum. He's very smart and 'high functional' while my neighbors nephew was completely non verbal and required 24/7 care. When swoop started I was like wait we're not supposed to say that? 💀 How I understood it was there's levels and needs that vary from one individual to the next. It's not a diagnosis that is fit into a perfect cut. What one required the next may not. My son is only 6 so it's not like I can ask him what his preference is yet but regardless I'm thankful he has since been diagnosed so his needs can be met.

[@renfairegoddess]

You can refer to yourself however you feel comfortable. I'm late diagnosed (45) Autistic. I very much DON'T like 'On the spectrum' because I view it as a way for people to avoid saying Autism/Autistic. They aren't bad words. I'd also prefer to use the term that people REALLY don't like (won't type it here), because it describes what I would have been diagnosed with as a child (80's). The problem with that is I (multiple degrees, live independently, no intellectual disabilities) am just as Autistic as the the person who can't speak, has intellectual disabilities, etc. As you know, those things aren't Autism, but education around what Autism actually IS is far behind what it should be. So, I'm stuck. Either infantalized or met with abelism if I bother to disclose my diagnosis.

[@Redwaters]

Originally I was identifying as having Asperger's. Then I was told that was wrong and I was supposed to use, "being on the spectrum". To be honest I'd rather use "on the spectrum" then to say I have a disorder, because saying I have a disorder feels like being autistic/neurodiverse is a bad thing.

[@CottageCritter]

@@Redwaters same here, I grew up being told it was Asperger’s other than Florida public school system lovingly calling it the R slur for a few years. Personally I use on the spectrum if I’m around like new people? But prefer I have autism in serious situations or as reminders to people. I have a really hard time communicating things properly and always understanding body language and stuff so if you don’t know I have autism I seem either stupid or a bitch - no happy middle ground. I have a lot of “quirks” that I feel need the autism tag like when people think I’m rude for not eating their cooking but I’m reality their 13 layer lasagna is the texture nightmare fuel that makes my anxiety go so off the charts I can barely look at it let alone eat it. I think in many ways I’m todays culture it is still sadly a bad thing. It sucks but in reality the average person is not equipped or willing to have patience with mental disorders still and that’s devastating but the sad reality. I’d rather say I’m autistic and watch people who think it’s bad walk away, than sugar coat it and never know who really thinks awful of me.

[@CottageCritter]

@@renfairegoddess for me I think it’s a personal experience. I like on the spectrum when I barely know someone or it’s not a serious situation because it’s easier for people to swallow. I regularly get the “you don’t look autistic” and I’d rather just say an easier term to swallow when I never have to see the person again so I can just get what I need and be done. Like when I don’t understand something at the store and need it explained. Much easier to say I’m on the spectrum than get into a 3 hour discussion on how I used to hit my head on tables as a kid and whipping out doctors diagnosis 🤦‍♀️ When it’s people I know regularly or intend to be around again autism is the go to for me by a landslide. Regardless though I’ve never seen one or the other be offensive. In reality autism is a spectrum due to the education that’s around it. My parents refused to put me in special Ed and I was bullied to all hell and although I don’t think it was the right choice? I don’t think I’d be a functioning adult in the slightest without that experience. God bless survival masking lol But genuinely I think it’s so hard to even know what to say or do anymore to find respect or blend or even just exist as an autistic person anymore. I swear I isolate myself more and more by the year.

[@RosaLopez-bx2cd]

I strongly believe that once you’ve become a victim of master manipulation, you eventually learn how to play that game. Some victims lear how to play that game for the good, and others learn how to play that game for the worse.

[@Kayla.....]

I think you're right, in general. I assume it probably depends on the amount of time spent as a victim, though. I'll have to look deeper into this idea. Very fascinating.

[@blondbraid7986]

The real overlooked villains in the case are the doctors who let the medical abuse happen for years and doing uneccesary procedures without even looking if she needed them.

[@redshed2020]

Part of the issue is that when a doc DID see something was wrong and should be looked into, they moved. They moved and provided only the records that painted the picture she wanted. One Doc even suspected Munchausen and documented it. They immediately moved.

[@kingworm7168]

Also, people don’t realize that there is no “one place” where medical records live. So it’s not really that difficult to lie or manipulate, because doctors are told to believe what the caregiver/patient is saying to them. They are also mandated reporters, but that’s it. They don’t investigate, arrest, interrogate, etc. they just note that there is a concern but what happens after that is out of their hands. Often when these docs do report, the parent will leave the area and then the report goes into thin air.

[@citrusbutter7718]

They're not "the real villains" her mother was the one pulling all the levers, the Docters were all too happy to oblige despite their common sense knowing it was a lie. They're negligent and deserve their license taken away or even imprisoned too because i'm sure many of them knew, if anyone's evil it's the mother.

[@twamsorry]

they are not overlooked by anyone paying attention. at all. no one is a real monster bc monsters arent real. there are only monstrous humans. language needs to be clear and understandable. and I'm sure everyone else has already pointed out the other reasons why this comment is stupid

[@LacquerLockdown]

I absolutely disagree with you on this one as an MD & a patient. First several physicians were suspicious of DR & one even wrote suspicions of MbP (munchausen). Every time physicians demanded records or tests to back up DR’s assertions they moved medical homes. I want you to also understand two very important things 1st Obama was the 1st POTUS to mandate all hospitals had to switch from paper records to electronic records the date set for overall compliance was 2016 or there in. That matters because up until that point record were handwritten & had to be faxed from hospital to hospital or obtained at cost by the patient & took forever. 2nd - DR was smart enough to hop from hospitals not managed by the same systems making it even harder for MDs to obtain overall records especially once their house was destroyed & she could use that excuse. Finally, I will add a lot of pediatric medicine is hand holding parents. You will tell a parent a bone isn’t broken by your evaluation from a physical examination & parents will still demand the X-ray anyway. When I rotated on peds we discussed the fact that despite the X-RAY being unnecessary it was often done & weighted against the low risk small radiation versus parental upset, ill ease etc. the kids were more stoic than the parents quite often & that’s why I decided not to do peds because that level of appeasement frustrated me. However we all consider parents to have their child’s best interest when they bring their kids in to the hospital until we can find evidence otherwise & a wary conniving parent such as DR running away every time suspicious behavior was noticed makes it very hard for us to do our jobs. MbP is a diagnoses of exclusion meaning all other avenues must be explored 1st. Also MDs are mandatory reporters & most ppl who go into peds do so because they love children & love the practice. I doubt it’s down to the serial incompetence you’re alleging here.

[@DrinkYourNailPolish]

We're expecting someone whose whole life revolved around abuse manupilation and deception to suddenly act like she was raised by two healthy normal parents.

[@Em-gt5wr]

this part though.. of course she will be manipulative cause that's all she KNOWS. she needed to be in a mental institution coming out of prison to make sure she can function through her trauma rather than act on it.

[@hymntothenight]

exactly, thank you. going through this abuse, especially as a young child can literally rewire your brain. i didn't even know she was a victim of CSA, which adds even more to that point. While she was in prison everyone always acted like "oh poor gypsy rose she's such a victim", but now that she's not acting how they'd like she's "manipulative" etc. Everybody seemingly wants a "perfect victim", and it's so shitty how quickly they'll turn on her and other victims for simply displaying symptoms from the abuse she/other victims endured.

[@balencii326]

@@Em-gt5wrshe should’ve been in one in general. Her sentence would’ve been better served if she was doing therapy, within a healing community, etc. but i feel like people wanna see other people in shackles instead of really considering the fact that trauma related cases needs loads of trauma therapy. sitting in a cell doesn’t do that

[@CHEV2023]

So many lies .. she just needs to get a job a-lot of young people been abuse, but she decided to feed off of people’s compassion just like her mother

[@partysuvius]

@@balencii326this is bc we all know America doesn’t want its prisoners to be rehabilitated. This would cause the re-imprisonment rate to drop drastically and a lot of private prisons would be losing a LOT of labor. They’d start turning to the children; in fact, they already are with all the child labor law repeals.

[@Busyhriehfjeje]

Hi Swoop. Southern girl here. You mentioned around the 18 min mark that you found it weird that none of the adults or family said anything or did anything when they saw Gypsy jumping around when Deedee was gone but then pretending she couldn’t walk when Deedee returned. One aspect of southern culture (tho I’m sure it’s not just in the south, I just grew up here. I can promise you, people DID talk amongst themselves. But the thinking, especially amongst older generations was that it was a family matter, and not their place to say or do anything. I have witnessed this in my own life and family. There was a girl I used to carpool with who was being abused by a narcissistic mother. All the adults could see her (a 13 year old) acting out at school and everywhere else. All the adults could see and knew how “weird” her mother was. But nobody did anything because it’s “not our business.” People want to respect their neighbors privacy. And don’t want to meddle. However because of this mentality LOTS of children have gotten hurt and killed. I like to think things are getting better now. But alas I’m not sure. That being said, I will happily call CPS anonymously if I think something is wrong. I will call adult protective services as well for the same reason. I’ve done it before. I’ll do it again. Because damnit I know the system isn’t perfect, but I would rather be wrong and keep someone alive than right and let someone die.

[@bekah22]

I completely agree with you it’s part of the “culture” so to speak. A lot of movies and tv shows also tap into that when they depict the south

[@opheliadays5803]

Check out the 90 by 30 project

[@moatrboat]

As someone whose family is mostly from the south this is 100% true. Folks like to pretend everything is fine all the time and it’s always seemed very eerily disingenuous

[@charisvelasco9879]

Thank you I was thinking the exact same thing, down here in the south people will talk in low voices amongst one another but in the end will always say “it’s none of our business.”

[@littlesaltywalker]

Nothing but facts spoken.

[@roxannemoser]

I don't believe Nick understood his right to remain silent and right to an attorney. I believe he deserves a new trial and the whole confession thrown out. Also, the plan was: A: meet Mom B: kill Mom C: get pregnant Remember, Gypsy texted Nick and said Plan B.

[@LadyDnMiller]

I was diagnosed late with AuDHD. (Autism and ADHD). I almost cried when the girl said "When I tell people I have autism, they talk to me like I am five years old. They think I am incapable." This hits home for me. I am not disabled enought to recieve accommodations but I am looked down upon for being a person with Autism. I have to showcase my degree to PROVE to people I no what I am talking about. I have to showcase my career to PROVE that I am a fuctioning adult. On top of proving myself, as a Black woman from the south. I have to prove myself everyday and I shouldn't.

[@aspen4786]

So very real. I’m in college right now, and have to be very careful when choosing who to talk about my medical issues (adhd, autism, ptsd). Typically when I mention I’m autistic, people will treat me an entirely different way. It’s like they’re suddenly around a toddler instead of a 20 year old. The women just give me weird looks and avoid me, and the men just baby talk me. It’s so infuriating, especially when among peers in my studies many tend to look down on me and see my knowledge as lesser because of my conditions. I feel you so much, and just wanted to let you know you’re not alone in your emotions and experiences. Rooting for you all the way. ❤️

[@DJ-iu5bb]

im on the spectrum a also Autism and ADHD im a white native american person also from the South yeah they need to stop doing that yeah its like walking into walls all week like Tony Soprano says like interactions with people its like you like thinking did I say something wrong did I overshare like I be feeling like pushing people away the Mental Health issues is real in this Country

[@DJ-iu5bb]

@@aspen4786 you not wrong once you say that Women do avoid me or baby talk me and really be weird like they liked you before you said you said Autism its like a Huge Ick for both Genders I honestly hate it cause im well educated and I had all As in High Schools being Discriminated like that feels so wrong

[@jayjacks7474]

Stop allowing ppl to know this truth about you so they wouldn't authorize judged

[@ixizn]

⁠@@jayjacks7474You don’t understand, this happens with people who you should be disclosing this information to so you can get the proper accommodations you need too. It’s a well known issue for lots of autistic people and part of why the high/low functioning labels are harmful. Not even mentioning how exhausting it is to live in a world where you have to hide a major part of who you are as a person just to not get judged (or discriminated against).

[@user-unfriendly_-o-]

I think it's very important to mention now that just the fact that a disabled person in a wheelchair can walk or even jump doesn't mean that they are faking, there are different reasons for using a wheelchair. It was only a reason to be concerned in this case because people knew her exact diagnosis and it didn't match. Please, if you see a disabled person walking around or standing up, don't act rashly, people already face a lot of medical gaslighting and abuse about it.

[@bubble778]

Thank you ❤ this is very important. I have multiple sclerosis and when I park in disabled parking people stop me and question me.

[@Diandra2011]

​@@bubble778 I have been yelled at for using disability parking because I "look healthy". It sucks.

[@juanitarichards1074]

I have arthritis in my spine and right hip....I can stand for a few minutes then the pain shoots up my spine and hip and my right leg starts to wobble and then I collapse. I have a wheelchair for going out and I have an office chair on wheels in my kitchen so I can cook and wash dishes etc. I can limp around my house for a few minutes but have chairs in strategic places to collapse into when my legs start to collapse. When I go to town in the wheelchair I have to plot my way where there are public toilets.

[@Elzie-Nou]

No no, the way gypsy said it- he didn’t know she was 15 Dede found gypsy at his house and SHE told him she was 15 and he freaked out. Also I firmly believe gypsy has always known how old she is.

[@Flowreach]

This! My old housemate was in a wheel chair because she had a tumor in her ankle that couldn't be operated on without amputation. She could walk but it was extremely painful

[@ohnoh674]

This should be an all or nothing case. If she is released, so should Nick. Gypsy is just as guilty in the case as Nick. If Gypsy wouldn’t have planned the murder, bought the murder weapons, and let Nick in, the murder would have never happened. She is a coward in my opinion. I don’t blame her for wanting her mother dead, but manipulating a mentally challenged man to do the deed for you is extremely cowardice and down right disgusting.

[@jordanziegra7624]

Rod was also only 17 and still in highschool when Dee Dee got pregnant and I think she was like 24 years old.... I find that to be another extremely important factor as to Dee Dee's character but also as to why Rod seemingly distanced himself from her.... she was sleeping with a minor, which is a crime.

[@cheryl8466]

❤ YES! I was going to comment the same thing. It's not just "Her dad wasn't around" there was a reason for that. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some serious manipulation going on between her parents well before she was born. We knew it happened after. I still don't think that's an excuse for him not getting involved. I'm still happy you brought this up.

[@Zzz2x]

Also shows where Gypsy got to be manipulative

[@harmlessdove1980]

​@@Zzz2x manipulators get manipulated.

[@ThatLadyInDallas2024]

Grifters gonna grift! Liars gonna lie. Schmurderers gonna schmurder!

[@ellbee5139]

Actually, age of consent in Louisiana is 17. While it's not a good look, it's also not a crime, and it's honestly a bit dangerous to make blanket statements about criminality like that because different states have different ages of consent. NY is 18, NJ and WA are 17, other states are 16, and outside the US, age of consent is commonly 16 (such as the UK).

[@DuckTalesAwoo0oo]

I was SA'd by my grandfather (my grandparents adopted me) from age 6 to 16.....when I told my grandmother (adopted mother) her response was "oh, that's ridiculous! He's your father!" I will NEVER FORGET THAT. I was 19 when I finally spoke up without feeling like I was wrong. May they both rot.

[@welshlady]

❤

[@cinthiaham1517]

I am so sorry that the adults around you failed you. I hope you are well ❤

[@scheenekendrick9009]

How do people just automatically not believe a child. I’m so sorry you weren’t protected

[@StillJustDenise]

I was also SA’d by my grandfather,and my grandmother caught him,walked away and told me the next morning that “I should be ashamed for seducing her husband”,I was 5. Your comment truly touched my heart,and it’s my hope that anyone reading this learns to ALWAYS LISTEN TO A CHILD, and advocate and help them!!!😢

[@goitseonemontsho684]

Thank you for being big and brave. I hope you feel safe right now.I am assuming you are a Black man from your dp and even more kudos to you because that is a demographic that is often shut down from speaking on their experiences. Sending you love💜💜💜💜💜💜

[@brittwilhoit]

I think a couple important things to remember about Gypsy are that 1 she was infantalized by her mother. Between not going to school, being told she was younger than she was, and being denied the social interaction of her age and she probably did not fully understand all of her options. 2. She grew up in the spotlight thanks to her mom and then her crime. It is literally all she knows.

[@LyxiLynnn]

Not only that but she was fed so many mind alternating medications. How anyone things she's this evil mastermind is insane

[@calypso_lazuli]

@@LyxiLynnnAfter thinking about this case many times over and over again, I just can’t entirely blame her for most of her decisions… it’s one of those cases where there’s way too many nuances…. I remember years ago a similar case happened with a 15 year old boy named Cody who killed his father and step-mother, and throughout the case it came about that he was being s3xu@ly abused throughout his teenage years by the hands of his step-mother and his father had a lot to do with it, and I had a similar feeling in that case like I do with Gypsy Rose.

[@BriEMcN]

Plus going to prison in early adulthood and surrounded by bad influences and yes men who told her that she didn't do anything wrong and likely told her everything she's now saying. Like her boyfriend could make his own decisions, etc. I've been to jail (not prison but it's the same type of women) twice and know how women in jail think. She was famous and had a good reason to do what she did, and they would've eaten that up and encouraged her thinking she's not in the wrong at all. She's only ever had terrible influences and never had good ones. People's expectations for her are too high

[@calypso_lazuli]

@@BriEMcN not only that but her development and reasoning skills are messed up bc of how she was raised, it’s almost like survival skills and defense mechanisms come into play on how to get out of a situation on top of being a child and thinking like one. And like you said she’s always been a “celebrity” and is used to being in the limelight, she’s used to the lies, she’s used to playing a character, that’s all she knows. This case is just totally messed up the more I think about it.

[@sophine7189]

​@BriEMcN not true. She had plenty of therapist explained to her what she did wrong and what she could have done differently. She explains that in an interview when they asked her If she would change something if she could do this all over again.

[@aureliatorkington9380]

The cop handled her initial interview really well tbh he was kind but firm trying to get her to be honest

[@Kelga80]

My thoughts on her are that she needs therapy to deal with all aspects of her past and should not be on social media. This isn’t good for her and won’t help her grow into a well adjusted adult. Her life has been the weirdest roller coaster. She needs a life that is stable without the eyes of millions on her.

[@sugarplum2467]

She's already like 30, she's full grown. She'll be trash til she dies let her enjoy her fame, you can tell she loves being in the spotlight for gruesomely murdering someone and ruining someone's life even though he truly cared for her.

[@ellaartenstein853]

Which would be easier if people with millions of subscribers weren’t making videos on her

[@Stormy_Cloud]

Gypsy doesn't want a simple life -- she only wants fame and fortune. She has ill intentions.

[@jogrant3851]

it's unlikely she'll ever become a well adjusted adullt, but will learn to pretend she's one.

[@Kelga80]

@@ellaartenstein853 Unfortunately she can't control that. Her story became a public sensation. I'm thinking more about her own personal mental health and mental growth. I don't think she personally should be on social media. I don't think she understands it and can handle it as well as she thinks she can. Of course she's an adult and can make her own choices, but I honestly don't see this ending well for her.

[@Mumblesmcghee69]

My mother was constantly beaten down by her mother. She was the kid my grandma picked on. So she was severely damaged by my grandmother. I was severely abused physically, mentally, emotionally, and sexually as a child and my mom just kinda let it happen but never fought for me. As a brand new mother and even before pregnancy, I actively strive to end this cycle. I’ve gone through EMDR therapy for my PTSD, I’ve continued CBT and DBT therapy, and I am constantly working with my husband to end this cycle and prevent my son from being hurt by me. I WILL end this abuse cycle. I WILL give my child a good, happy, and positive environment to grow up in. And I WILL make sure my child is SAFE!!

[@itsninjamo752]

You’re amazing I am doing the same this awful cycle stops here. How did you find EMDR?

[@narellegoddard7672]

I really commend you for actually taking action in stopping the cycle. Good intentions are all good but its the outcome that matters in the end. And don't worry honey, trust yourself because you ARE different, you are changing it, by talking about it, talking to hubby and working together of course you can do this. When we really commit us humans can do anything. Enjoy being a mum, you will do great. And when you need help along the way, just ask for support, there is growth there and no shame, that's dumb it's how we learn and grow, we teach each other. Good luck sweetheart.❤

[@maggierozmanith6542]

@@itsninjamo752EMDR - no proof of being effective…. You’ll get the same effect with trauma desensitisation, so basically EMDR without silly eye twitching. Best of luck to you, ANY therapy is better than no therapy xx (C-PTSD here as well)

[@renee1961]

I just wanted to say I'm so sorry for your suffering. You're an Amazing, Strong Woman! God Bless You, and your little Family.🩷🩷🩷🤗🤗🤗💐💐💐🧸🧸🧸

[@lhr8833]

Thanks for ending the cycle.

[@Madsterrrr]

People need to acknowledge more that she was constantly under the influence of drugs that her mother was feeding to her, it took her so long to get over her addiction to the pain killers, she was never in the right state of mind because of this and I don’t ever see anyone acknowledge that when judging how she handled everything

[@ismelllikeocean]

She also under went chemo... Like this shit is no joke.

[@explore_with_em_x]

She was in the right state of mind to run away and meet men, to meet and sleep with nick, to hide social media accounts and phones.

[@Nona-pie666]

The drugs, the abusive medical treatment, the mental abuse, and the stunting of education. I dont see how anyone can judge her. I have no clue what I'd do in her position. I feel people keep viewing her as her age and not truly considering all these factors.

[@Madsterrrr]

@@Nona-pie666 exactly. All those factors, plus the fact that she had tried to run away multiple times and had even tried to tell doctors that she thinks she is not sick just for nothing to happen, like how can anyone say she’s a ‘manipulator’ or whatever

[@Kaiser_MHA]

@@Madsterrrr Because Gypsy does display very manipulative behaviour & has even admitted she learned manipulative behaviour from her mother. Again, she is a victim & that is totally valid but she is also an adult woman who doesn’t need the entire internet telling her she never did anything wrong & that she’s a role model. The kind of attention people are giving her is the exact kind of attention that caused her mother’s behaviour to deteriorate. Also, read the texts…

[@sablerivera7095]

Love how we all gang up on a traumatized child and say her reactions to years of abuse were inappropriate. Like that kinda shit doesn't severely mess you up. Honestly in these types of cases I don't blame the victim for killing their abuser at any point. The shit her mom did was absolutely horrific and she should honestly start suing the doctors and hospitals that allowed this malpractice.

[@rynrcookie77]

The more I have learned about her life & her case, the only conclusion I can come to is that she needs time to not be in the spotlight and processing her trauma. The fact that there are those that have jumped in immediately to capitalize on her puts her, once again, in a similar position that she was in under her mother which is highly concerning for her mental health. In order to make money off of her, they need her to be more sympathetic & more of a "perfect victim". Between Gypsy Rose and Britney Spears, we just need to have more conversations around trauma consumption. Obviously, their voices are incredibly important in the telling of their stories, but where is the line of continuing taking advantage of them for monetary gain? How do we, as consumers, help draw that line without silencing?

[@trinitybernhardt9944]

I feel the same. I was happy she was getting out and maybe posted good fir her, but I haven't followed her post release, because I don't believe it is good for her or us to glorify her. If I had been in her corner I might have advised one interview to acknowledge everything, but then at least 1-5 years of just living her life out of the spotlight, getting therapy and adjusting to a free life. I have no idea what her mind and maturity is, but I cannot imagine it is the same as the average person raised without her abuse. I wonder who is speaking into her life and how much that is affecting her.

[@SmilerORocker]

Agreed, she just needs time to become herself. Saying that, her mother made her a public figure before her demise, I'm in Ireland and knew about her before then, so I guess we shouldn't really be too surprised that this is happening now. Hopefully it can all settle down soon and she can live as 'normal' as any of the rest of us,... whatever that actually appears as.

[@sandrawaterlily4740]

This exactly, she needs to find some balance in life and everyone jumping to capitalize on her popularity/notoriety doe not give that to her.

[@Globelle]

In addition she is making plenty of money from this crime. Her ex boyfriend has mental health issues and he will spend his life in prison.

[@anonymousviewer328]

Pretty sure she had that time while she was in prison. She served her time and is allowed the same privileges as you and I going forward. She can use social media if she wants to.

[@livalex24]

the one thing i wish was addressed in this is the MASSIVE amount of drugs Gypsy has been on her entire life. even with the amount of surgeries and chemo, and just meds in general will absolutely mess your mind state up. we need to talk about what drugs she was on/affected her at the time of this choice. even her finding out her real age and that she didn’t actually have all these illness would be absolutely earth shattering and mind altering. also coming out of prison and having an overwhelming amount of people that validate your choices will absolutely make you wonder if you actually did do something right and that you’re understood. this situation is not something you can look at logically, unfortunately. it truly just doesn’t have logistics involved, there was mental illness, drugs, disabilities, abuse, manipulation, lying, and lack of education that we just simply can not begin to study and comprehend. not justifying her because i feel for her on a law level/mental health since i grew up with teachers and a mom who is a public defender and mental health professional, so i deal with these things every day. but i do not feel that she should be a celebrity and placed as such, i would call her more an advocate and a survivor and treated ass such. speak her story and educate others, but not be seen as a role model and influencer… idk

[@CableRat]

I never thought about that!!!!

[@LusciousTwinkle]

Wait! She had chemo? I thought that was her mum lying?

[@livalex24]

@@LusciousTwinkle she didn’t have cancer but her mom ended up convincing doctors that she needed the chemo. i’m almost positive but i’d definitely look into it before stating it as a fact!

[@Leanne_w]

@@LusciousTwinkle she didn’t have chemo.. she also didn’t take all those meds

[@ronnie-lynn]

YES! I don’t understand why this is never addressed! She was drugged and medicated by her mother to the point meds she didn’t need gave her side effects to severe that DOCTORS saw them as symptoms to Diseases, illnesses or disorders! Like what????!!!!!!!! That’s such a huge part to this story and why is this not being addressed!

[@katherinerybski3925]

A teenage girl who was failed by the police, failed by doctors, declared incompetent, and saw no other way out convinced (manipulated) a man who loved her to the point they would have done literally anything for her to murder the woman that had tortured her for almost two decades. A tragedy every which way. Honestly the people I am most angry with in this whole ordeal are all of the professionals and bystanders around this situation who so deeply failed everyone involved.

[@redshed2020]

Several of the docs saw and documented something was off. She would immediately move before anything could be done about it.

[@Easilydistractedbydogs0330]

I’m sorry but the fact that she has zero guilt that she convinced a man to kill her mother, and he’s sitting in prison for The rest of his life kind of says a lot, doesn’t it?!

[@Nightman221k]

It’s narcissistic and shameless. She has no regrets using him no different than a weapon.

[@4xe4lotlol]

@@Nightman221kshe’s just like her mother fr honestly :( sad to say but if you cared about anyone else you wouldn’t manipulate people to such a degree. I hate that she’s walking free

[@SophieTalksTooMuch]

1:18:45 as an autistic I’m so glad you talked to Rebecca! I love her, Just a thought : Autistic people are not incapable of being manipulative, narcissistic, and abusive, you can be autistic and a sociopath, but you can also be autistic and an empath, this explains how there are people like Greta and Elon with the same diagnoses but completely different personalities and morals

[@amandamandamands]

Exactly. Being extremely honest, not understanding sarcasm or sayings are extremely common traits. We are still the same as anyone else that we can learn and adapt to our surroundings and what we have to do/say to survive

[@ilmianafirmantika8079]

Greta and Elon is such a great comparison. Couldn't agree more

[@quinnfarris]

Much like anyone else, theres a wide array of autistic people with widely different lifes and morals. Has nothing to do with being a "sociopath" or an "empath" lmao

[@SophieTalksTooMuch]

@@quinnfarris yes it does, my point was you can have dual diagnosis of sociopathy and autism, which is relevant to the case at hand

[@kat8559]

@@SophieTalksTooMuchsociopathy is not a diagnosis lol

[@ewarrior9776]

Trivia Note: Gypsy Rose Blanchard was most likely named after berlesque entertainer Gypsy Rose Lee who was imortalized in the musical Gypsy (1959) and the film of the same name (1962.) The play and film is about a domineering stage mother who lived through and controlled her daughter until she was an adult and started her career as a stripper much to her mother's chagrin. The parallels are uncanny.

[@KaileyB616]

Dude that's friggin wild!

[@RKingis]

I thought about that movie too when my Mom had me watch The Act last week.

[@elzbieta78]

Her dad said somewhere - I think in that long Buzzfeed piece - that it’s a coincidence. They thought Gypsy was a cool name (not touching that one) and they liked Guns N Roses, plus Rose is one of those classic girl middle names anyhow. Her dad had never heard of Gypsy Rose Lee and he doesn’t remember DeeDee bringing up the association. But yes, it’s an interesting parallel.

[@lisaemery8871]

Wow interesting thanks for sharing that

[@Angelsdemonsspirits]

No babe. It was the Aerosmith song covered by guns n roses where they got her name 😅 y'all make up anything.

[@Emymagdalena]

Her husband thinking she is easily manipulated is a red flag 🚩 for me

[@Latoya-]

The both of them are trying out manipulate each other.. their whole relationship dynamic is weird. I don't see them lasting too much longer. He is just a convenience for the time being to her. And she is a little vulnerable girl to him. It's all gross.

[@jillmarie4240]

@@Latoya-right?? She is just as manipulative!! They both are.

[@Latoya-]

@@jillmarie4240 💯💯 it's clear as the air. I don't know how these people out here snapping at others comments speaking out on her, or are praising her, don't see who she really is. Smh it's just yuk to me

[@cyberfiretiger5825]

It’s a codependent relationship if I’ve ever seen one. “The D is 🤮”

[@katscratchfever3506]

@@Latoya-you called it!

[@BritGlass]

I need people to STOP acting like she is just a sweet and innocent little girl that did nothing wrong. She KNEW what she was doing. She seems to be very similar to her mother in the level manipulation she has done herself. Please STOP idolizing her!! Whether she "identifies" as a murderer or not, she is one. Of course, like you said she did not deserve what happened to her, but it does NOT justify what she did.

[@DaysieRose]

Thank you for including those words from Nick's mom. I can't imagine having your son sentenced to life in prison, then have to watch Gypsy go free, turn into an influencer and say she doesn't even think about your son. I would wake up every day in a rage. My heart goes out to her.

[@Simplicityandkindness]

I'm very very sorry to tell you this but Nick's mother overdosed and is dead. Some speculation that it was suicide.😥. She just died of a broken heart. Because she couldn't take it anymore. So sad because Nick needs support right now. His dad is still advocating for him though. I really really wish that Nick and Gypsy Rose would have just set up a hidden camera and documented the abuse. Would have solved everything. Dee Dee would be in jail and these kids would be free. So much ripple effects of Dee Dees actions.

[@DaysieRose]

Oh my God. That's so horrible. 😢

[@metalanarchy5186]

Its a horrible story Nick isn't right in and eveeryone talks about how she suffered but she is responseable for two lifes ended she set up her mom's murder and she sacerificed her mom and Nicks life for her to be a celeb wait until she feels wronged by someone else what happens than two things can be true you can be victim and a victimizer and if people don't blame her for her moms death but she munipulated a mentally ill guy and it sounded like from her text messages she has her own bad side lots of killers are victims first maybe if they were female got someone else to do it in this sick internet infested world where people championthe wrong qualitys my Dad use to severly beat me my sisters mom and brother god rest his sole there other ways to get free

[@DaysieRose]

I used to subscribe to another commentary channel and they posted something about G Rose. The first comment was something like "we don't tolerate abuse!" in a way that glorified G Rose, and I unsubscribed immediately. Because if that was the flavor, no. No, I don't tolerate abuse. But I don't "yass girl" a person who plotted a murder and destroyed the life of a mentally challenged person. F*ck right off with that. I'm SO grateful Swoop didn't glorify G Rose. It's why I vibe with her. She smells something fishy, she points it TF out

[@dana102083]

​@@SimplicityandkindnessDefinitely some lack of capacity. Sad case.

[@danicasoper6545]

In the context of an extreme situation, when someone says "I would have done this," you can pretty much ignore it. They're telling you how they HOPE they would handle it.

[@dissipatedcloud]

100%

[@raymay7712]

Hi, Swoop, I am autistic and would like to say a few things: Autistic people tend to have a naive trust in everyone (hence why we are a vulnerable population to abuse), we also tend to be very obedient and easily manipulated (since we are so honest and literal, we think everyone else is, we also are bad at reading people and social cues, wich leads to missing malicious intent.). Having said that, I do not like nick's diagnosis being brought up in the way it was. Because we are so infantilized, people have this thought that autistic people are not capable of anything bad AND I CAN NOT STRESS ENOGH how untrue that is. Historically, autistic man, specifically straigh white cis autistic man ,TIME AND TIME AGAIN have a record of bring up their autism as justification to committing harm, ESPECIALLY TO WOMEN. I have seen autistic men harass and hurt women using their autism as a justification and protection (taking avantage of the fact the men and autistic people are seen as poor babys who dont know anything) a lot of times. Autism IS not a justification or excuse to hurt people and people using it that way only cause harm to the community, in a way that people tend to go to the extreme ableist thought of "if autistic people are bad, they shouldn't live in society". Autism is not a justification to commit crimes and I can't stress that enough. We are bad with social cues, but once we know something explicitly, there is no excuse Rebecca actually talks about that. You also mentioned nick's IQ and medically speaking, he does not fit the criteria for intelectual disability so in the eyes of the law he is a capable individual meaning he has to take responsibility for his actions.

[@mortenhyvejle]

I have ADHD and Asbergers (autism), and I would never ever ever hurt any woman or child. If someone hurt my kids, it goes without saying that I would hurt them though... my point is that you are absolutely right in what you wrote. It's not an excuse to be autistic... and regarding being bad socially LOL.. having both ADHD and autism does that I don't even have a social life. I can't filter out sounds so I get so tired in like 30 minutes if if I'm together with a group of people... yes I can relate.

[@Mariomario-3942]

I have both autism and ADHD as well and I hate having these disabilities

[@mortenhyvejle]

@@Mariomario-3942 same here. Grew up in a institution due to that I was too wild and been a heroin junkie for almost 20 year's because I couldn't find a filter for the storm in my head and even though Ritalin (started 15 year's ago when I got the diagnosis) help me I still can't filter out voices, do what needs to be done etc... I hate too my friend.

[@Mariomario-3942]

@@mortenhyvejle I got diagnosed in 2010 when I was 14 years old

[@Dependencycourtsellschildren]

AudHD here. Agreed. We don’t do that stuff. That’s other groups.

[@Ellemenopea97]

Nick said she was the mastermind, SHE said she talked him into it... so yes, she was the manipulative mastermind of this stuff, not the other way around, Ryan 🙄

[@impposter560]

At the 20 min mark and I have to say; children that young CAN exhibit those behaviors, and you should never, ever ignore it. It means that something has happened to them, that they are repeating behaviors they have seen/experienced. Its a huge, HUGE red flag and people shouldn't dismiss it as them 'being too young' to exhibit such behaviors. Even if it was 'only' repeated exposure to seeing other people act inappropriately in front of them (which is very wrong too), they can still emulate that behavior. I DON'T believe the grandfather, personally, but just for anyone out there who sees a child acting/touching/speaking inappropriately; they don't know what they're doing, but the person who taught them that behavior dam well does. Its an echo of what they've seen/experienced and people should listen to it. (tho this does not always apply to ND children who struggle with boundary issues/appropriate behavior)

[@itsninjamo752]

Excellent point to bring up 👏🏻

[@AuntBethanys]

THIS part! My parents were foster parents and we had to keep children as young as 4 & 5 who had been SA’d, away from other children because they 100% emulated what had been done to them. It’s not their fault. It’s a blaring red flag!

[@hellsstorm9922]

this!! as someone who was sa'd in childhood (then blackmailed about it) by other children, it honestly hurts to hear the statement that it isnt at all possible for children to purposefully do those things and know the intent behind it. especially when some of those people continued on with that behavior into adulthood.

[@blondesense1708]

Yes. It is probably the hugest indicator of CSA. It can also be an indicator there is a lack of boundaries in the parent child relationship. A child in my family was being very inappropriate with relatives and visitors and we were extremely concerned and took them straight to a therapist. After numerous forensic interviews it was found the child had an overly close relationship with their bio mother - bathing together, spooning all night and for hours, frequently nude and being overly tactile. The child simply had no concept of privacy when it came to nudity, toileting or contact with the ‘bathing suit’ areas.

[@cinthiaham1517]

Do you have sources for this? I’m genuinely curious because of personal experience that I have never been able to explain.

[@brwnidangel83]

I survived 15 years of daily physical, emotional, and SA. I am so very proud to say that my daughter is now 15 and she is a strong, loving, and kind woman who will never put up with the things I did. She is an amazing person and we are breaking the generational A that has been going on for more than 4 generations.

[@aleeshamiah936]

Proud of you🫶🏽

[@me0101001000]

Congratulations on breaking that cycle!

[@_Nat_A_]

It was concerning that Gypsy started a documentary in prison and it appears she has an agency and PR tea prepping for her release. Gypsy has never lived without excessive attention, first brought on by her mother, and now from her own part of her mother’s murder. Gypsy has never been allowed herself to live a quiet life, without a man in it. I wish her all the best, but I don’t think she has surrounded herself with people who want the best for her, but the money she can generate for them.

[@belindarocky961]

This. The fact that before she even left jail, she was already married. It feels like she went from one codependent relationship (her mom) to another (her husband).

[@kennel878Xx]

​@belindarocky961 true but at that point how do you even teach yourself to recognize that fact? It's possible the trauma has prevented her from being able to be independent it would seem. Plus who knows how all the treatments and medications have effected her psychologically/mentally. I do pray for her 🙏. I hope she can be at peace and enjoy the things she can in life.

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

Travellers cons are clever

[@_Nat_A_]

@@kennel878Xx I agree with you. In a perfect world, the prison would provide long term therapy, life skills, education, psych evaluations and neuropsychological evaluations to prepare the guilty person to be a productive member of society once they are released, because putting someone in jail to serve their time and putting them back out into society without addressing and attempting to fix the problems will land them back in jail, and there will be more victims.

[@beepboop8374]

I agree.. but also, I try to imagine how lonely in general she must have felt her entire life. I’m sure some of the press is to try to mitigate that, but also to try to explain her feelings, which is pointless because I’m sure her feelings are confusing enough to her, and trying to get the public to understand them is only going to make her look bad. I can’t blame her for getting married etc.. again she’s always been so isolated I can’t imagine how alone she felt. Her whole adolescence was essentially everyone agreeing to the things her mom was doing to her. It must have felt like the world was against her. Maybe she’s trying to feel like the world is on her side now.

[@Universal_synchronicity]

Two things can be true at the same time she can be a victim and also a murderer. If you hire a hitman to kill somebody for you, you are still a murderer. And in a sense Nick is also both a victim and a murderer

[@shilowyatt3859]

I have my master's in child and adolescent developmental psychology, and I find this case so fascinating. I, like you, can see the situation from all sides and can sympathize and appreciate why Gypsy wanted to do this. That being said, since her release, the way she is viewing her role in the murder is quite frustrating, but also All of the trauma and abuse that she endured at such a young age, has probably altered her brain in a way that none of us know. She was being abused during the most important developmental stages of her life, so processing and understanding the repercussions of her actions could very have dissipated over time, meaning that her brain is shutting down the idea that it is partially, if not fully, her fault because her brain is trying to protect itself.

[@ZabaTheFrog]

She also had weekly therapy and the therapy may have influenced how she speaks about the situation

[@violeta3555]

Not to mention whatever her mother forced her to consume to stay “ill”. That much unneeded medications and tubes, with abuse is just unimaginable to an average person

[@judeflynn9223]

LOL...WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU ON MY DEFENCE TEAM

[@garnetbelial]

My son is 26 years old with autism so the interview with Nick's mother really got me. Now I don't like getting into the whole functioning labels because ew, but there is the whole range of severity with autism. I can function in society and mask my autism, my son cannot and requires strict routines, calmness, and external help to emotionally regulate. Socially, he acts more like an eight year old. I had to teach him empathy through years of caring for progressively more difficult pets. That level of concern the mother has for Nick tells me that his diagnosis is valid, and I strongly believe he should be in a facility for mental health support rather than a prison.

[@basicallyno1722]

The dude is still violent and was fantasizing about violence prior to meeting gypsy. He was arrested for masturbating in public and got lucky that there was charges dropped for a concealed carry. Where was her concern when he was doing g these actions? Seems like he’s high functioning and capable of knowing right from wrong…and it seems like her infantilizing her son has hindered him from any real progress in life.

[@tracyomalley9470]

He should be released 💯 gypsy did instigate it due to not seeing any way out of the abuse SO why isn't she standing by this young man that she convinced to help her ??? He has the same mental issues FFS ..the authorities in charge need to step up and help this young man 💯😔😢

[@SkyeSoleil]

Thank you! I’m autistic and I feel like something missing from this conversation is support needs. What might seem infantilizing to one autistic may be a support that another autistic needs. Each case should be treated individually

[@PrettyFlyFor_aWifi]

​@@basicallyno1722 yeah but that kind of behavior is exactly what we have mental health facilities for. I used to work with clients who mastrubated in inappropriate settings and clients with violent tendencies, if they have an IDD or mental disorder and have those behaviors they often will be put in a facility for at least some length of time. In this guy's case, with the murder, it would be a court-controlled amount of time.

[@rachelk9343]

This man was a literal rapist. I genuinely don't understand the pity party. To be damned with his diagnoses.

[@impagain]

Me, an autistic woman, learning for the first time through this video that apparently we don't like the term "on the spectrum" now 😭😭 I can't keep up with what is and isn't acceptable to call ourselves anymore

[@willow.bell.illustration]

I'm right there with you, lol, I just avoid talking to people about it at all now. AuDHD diagnosed since 5, yet I still can offend people in my own community. I can't keep up. ☠️

[@XxElfriedexX]

I'm also autistic and could care less what people want to call/label me lmao. I don't see the point of getting offended over stuff like that.

[@HalBoswell]

I literally called myself an “autistic person” once and some neurotypical person corrected me saying, “oh, person with autism.”

[@claritey]

​@@HalBoswellThe audacity! Neurotypicals do not get to decide what you call yourself. I once heard it compared to having a handbag vs having blue eyes. A handbag is a separate thing from from you so you would be a "person with a handbag" not a "handbagged person." Contrast that with having blue eyes which is part of you. "Blue-eyed person" and "person with blue eyes" both work.

[@bethwooldridge738]

I'm not autistic, but I did find that part rather strange as it is very much a spectrum...as are most things I guess

[@marissabulso6439]

Becca Scoops has a great documentary on all of this, as well. The evidence she has gathered together put all of this in a new light for me, especially regarding the level of medical abuse. It may not have been as intense as Gypsy claims. It’s hard to know the truth…it’s all so murky…but Becca Scoops provides additional insight into the medical stuff.

[@NursissisticOfficial]

I'm AuDHD (Autistic with ADHD) and I fully agree with those that stated that we are more likely to be victims of abuse. I have dealt with a string of abusive relationships in my adult life, as well as growing up with an abusive parent in the home. I was late diagnosed because my difficulties were not supported, but disciplined to the point I learned to mask... albeit poorly. "Smart but lazy", that was the label I wore. Thank you for opening up the discussion to actual Autistic people the way that you did. That is so important when so many speak over us (looking at you autism speaks). I appreciate you and your commitment to remembering the humans behind the topics you discuss.

[@AlyssHarte]

Fellow ‘smart but lazy’ late diagnosis person with abusive parent, abusive relationships (romantic and non romantic), and masking here. Sending you love ❤

[@NursissisticOfficial]

@@AlyssHarte Right back at ya! Happy over commercialized love day, friend. I hope it brings you joy and peace. 🤟

[@jojoblowjo]

Ditto! AuDHDer here, grateful for Swoops research

[@skechyassmofo]

Lol smart, high IQ, but lazy... Hate how often I heard that for almost 40 years because. Well let's just say I was that unique enough, I was brought into the hospital for junior drs to "train" on, see if they could work out any of my mental & physical disabilities. Yay And that was decades before me and my family were told I was on the spectrum a few years ago

[@NursissisticOfficial]

@@skechyassmofo Look at Swoop bringing the community together. My people! I'm so sorry you had to play the role of test subject. That's super poopy.

[@parkerposey8155]

My 26 year old brother is autistic. He can lie, sure. But it is a conscious effort. His first instinct is to answer the question, not to cover up the truth. My brother is very well spoken. He's finally in a position to get his education away from family. He does have a paid companion/roommate who escorts him to classes and other situations just in case my brother has a disconnect. He is very precise, intelligent and has a beautiful, empathetic heart. It would be really easy to manipulate him due to the fact that he depends on those around him for cues. Luckily he has a very good support system and he's safe.

[@linneys8246]

Best of everything to your brother and family.

[@sugarplum2467]

I am very very close to someone who is autistic and he is known in our friend group as "being incapable of telling the truth". All he ever does is lie- mostly to manipulate people and for his own gain, mostly to make himself look good. He lies about shit that doesn't even have any NEED or REASON to be lied about. It's insane. And yes he was professionally diagnosed. So it varies. Autistic people are very much capable of lying as naturally as they are breathing- as we all know autism is a spectrum and no two people are the same.

[@KnockedupNout]

I love your understanding and the way you word this. I feel like I'm at the level your brother is, but no chance of getting help like that, he's very lucky🖤

[@beepboop8374]

As a weird little side note, in the clip of her and Nick afterward in the hotel room, when she has a giddiness in her voice.. all I could think of was the scene in “Tangled” when Rapunzel leaves the tower with Eugene and is going back and forth between extreme ecstatic joy for little taste of freedom and intense guilt for disobeying. In many ways they were both kept from experiencing true childhood and adolescence and trying to play catch-up.

[@blacksesamecandies]

I think of it less in terms of child-like glee and more like duping delight. They are *estastic* about fulfilling a murder they planned and are all out bragging about it. The fact Gypsy wrote those awful Facebook posts just says alot about her character. She didn't want to just flee because she was in a bad situation, she wanted revenge.She succeeded and she wanted *everyone* to know it. If she was really so innocent or didn't take pleasure in the murder, she wouldn't have made those posts or those videos or acted as she did when she was at Nick's house. Honestly I think she is a lowkey sociopath, undoubtedly scared by her abuse from her mom but I seriously don't think the two are that different.

[@sugarplum2467]

Nah, she was euphoric that she murdered her mom. Even got sexually turned on by it, because she's a psychopath.

[@starlingswallow]

Wow. Great point! I'm 43 and in trauma therapy to untangle my childhood trauma/neglect and an abusive marriage that realllly screwed up my head and identity. Even though what I went through was bad, for me, I still can't wrap my mind around what Gypsy went through and how _that_ kind of abuse can affect a person 😢

[@Ilovetoxicyuri]

@@blacksesamecandiesbeing a sociopath (or a better term would be someone with antisocial personality disorder) is VERY different from wanting revenge on your abuser but ok…

[@beepboop8374]

@@blacksesamecandieslet’s be clear.. I’m not saying killing someone should be swept under the rug. Full stop. However, Gypsy’s abuse began AT BIRTH and we do know that the abuse would not have stopped or gotten better had she not have gotten away from her mother in a full capacity. Her mother literally did the absolute most, including telling people she was physically and mentally younger than she was, that she was physically incapacitated, and had her declared mentally disabled and unable to consent to medical treatment for herself. Can you actually imagine that! I honestly don’t think anyone anyone can fully comprehend the ramifications of that amount of abuse unless they’ve lived it. She even had Gypsy gaslit into believing she was younger than she was, until she found out the truth. And not only that, her mother did actually physically chain her to a bed for some time and physically threaten her with a weapon. Psychology has shown time and time again that abuse and neglect during childhood creates literal chaos on a person’s wellbeing. AND… she was only 23 when she made the decision to end her mother’s life. Anyone with a normal childhood would still not have a fully formed decision making process (because the frontal lobe takes 25 years to finish developing) but Gypsy was wayyyy behind because of the forced infantilization and abuse she endured for years. Two things can be true, she can be both a victim and a killer. But her mother would absolutely still be alive if she had not abused Gypsy. That is 1000000% true. The circumstances of the one time she committed murder were completely dependent on her mother holding her hostage in her own body and abusing her.

[@bperez9066]

He needs to be in a mental healthcare facility, not jail. It’s crazy that Gypsy is free today, pregnant and living her life while he suffers.

[@cambiata]

Surprisingly, your video on this has softened my view of Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Because one thing to think about when your mother has been isolating you your literal entire life is that you don't actually know how the world works at all. Look at the case of the Turpin teens: Daughter escapes the house and is able to call 911, but she doesn't know how to tell them what street she lives on. That is the potential of disconnect when your parent is the one giving the coercive control. I've sometimes seen posts on Reddit where an unknowing child asks if they really need to live with their dad until they're 23 and pay him their salary from work in order to "pay him back" for raising them. Parents have a lottttt of ability to make you think that normal options are simply not available to you. I do also know that by her own admission, her mother taught her to be a good liar, so I take it with a grain of salt, but still it is true if she had met someone who didn't have murder fantasies she would have been brought to the police instead of going straight to murder.

[@rowanquynn9964]

I thought I had to live with my parents until I was 25. My oldest sibling moved out at 27, the next one at 25, and thankfully a college counselor told me if I was unhappy at home (I very much was) I could move out whenever. I truly thought I was sinning if I moved out before my parents gave me permission. I moved out at 22, which gave my last sibling the courage to move out at 18 and I'll always be grateful for that. After I was out I started learning all the other things my parents had used to control me my entire life. It's crazy how much stuff you just believe as a kid

[@graceful.wings.1]

@@rowanquynn9964how sad

[@miss1of2]

There's also a point at which abuse can make you feel like there is no option other option and that often happens when you have tried to escape and failed. Which happened here. She was shackled to her bed for 2 weeks afterwards. Dee Dee manipulated the authorities after the BB gun incident. I can 100% believe that she thought her only option was for her mother to die.

[@dardega]

@@miss1of2On top of that, her mother was actively destroying her health and potentially slowly murdering her. I think that Gypsy Rose's life was actually in danger. So I'm quite baffled that she was sentenced to any prison time at all. I see this case as a complicated self defense and escaping captivity.

[@miss1of2]

@@dardega I don't think she would have been to prison if this story had happened where I'm from....

[@tsukig.p.7848]

As someone on the ASD spectrum, being honest to a fault is always painted with a "well, I'm glad you were honest, but now you're fucked" mentality. I would never lie, especially if I actually did whatever it was. It's like, you've already caught me, lieing would just make it worse. And then I'm a liar on top of whatever else I did.

[@michelleelizabethknight5905]

I feel the same way about lying

[@searranolan8039]

Right and also, its rather easy to own up to mistakes, so what's the point in lying? Just don't do terrible things.

[@chrisstine828]

I have Asperger's and SAME

[@maddiebrat945]

Being honest is great. However, my issue is a singular honest person being put in a stressful situation without representation. He should have had immediate legal council in my opinion. Nothing wrong with being honest but having a mediator could make a world of difference in the assistance available and the outcome of his honesty. It’s not always about what you say but how you say it.

[@raygefdz4423]

I always catch myself saying "it's not drama, it's dangerous"

[@michelleelizabethknight5905]

Thats cool

[@jamienotamy]

What boils my blood is that Gypsy Rose threw her boyfriend under the bus for the murder. They should have gotten the exact same sentences, and when she was released he should have been, too.

[@marmaladeandtea1]

I lived in similar circumstances until I was 12 and went into foster care. Spending your formative years living like that, the isolation, despair, feeling of being abandoned by society as a whole, the lack of hope that you'll ever be able to escape and live a normal life, complete fucks you up. Unless you have lived it, you will have no idea and will never understand. I've been in therapy for 15 years and still living with the consequences. She needs to be left alone and learn how to be a person.

[@krissunsixx]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 THIS!! I’ve been there in my own version and it’s definitely played its part in my way of life. Exactly like you said, if they haven’t been there, they will never understand.

[@kataminedj]

Yep. My childhood abuse was not nearly as bad as Gypsy Rose, or yours, and it affected me so deeply I have a literal personality disorder. Takes years of therapy to get into remission. Going from abusive household to prison straight into marriage and celebrity is a really scary concept.

[@sxyniece]

She needs therapy and to take responsibility for what she has done

[@LacquerLockdown]

I agree with much of what you’ve said here however her abuse does not invalidate the crimes she committed. One point that I hoped was going to be made is that GR was raised to lie & act by her mother rom the time she got ill. As such lying, manipulation to get your way, etc would come easy. I’d be shocked if she didn’t have several Cluster C personality disorder traits. However the truth is GR is the one thrusting herself into the eyes of the public & unfortunately no matter how you look at it monetizing her trauma & crime. I think instead of trying to become a social media influencer hawking her book & movie as you sad she should be in therapy & seeking critical CBT treatment & therapy to help guide her as she steps back into the world. I also feel a marriage strait out of prison was not a great decision but also makes me wonder if her other relatives have abandoned her or at a minimum are wary of inviting her into their homes. As a clinician I find this entire story & new disclosures by GR herself distressing on a number of levels. I also will add I wish you continued success in healing from & surviving your own traumas!

[@Monkey114]

💯 until you go through it, you just don't know.

[@SaerBear5]

I hope it isn’t inappropriate to mention this on such a serious video, but that shade of lipstick looks so perfect on you, I gasped when I saw it!

[@Maladaptive.Malady]

Also unsure if it's appropriate, but I feel the same, that colour is stunning. 😊

[@staceyann1180]

Absolutely gorgeous shade! Particularly on Swoop!

[@biogirl1381]

loveeee that lip shade looks gorgeous on swoop!!! 😍😍😍

[@ultimategameredits]

Swoop is extremely beautiful!!

[@kaylaaa363]

commenting here just in case someone knows the answer 😅

[@AnimationNerdGirl]

Honestly, your videos make it so much easier to stomach stories like this, whatever your final opinion is on the matter, you approach these topics with such care and respect, thank you for all your hard work 💛💛

[@PettyUniversity]

That's so kind thank you

[@sponge_belle7585]

@@PettyUniversitywe all love u girl ❤ thank u & your team for the great work u all put in these docs

[@murderiwont]

Hi im sorry but there is something I'm not quite understanding. Why did gypsy rose get released when there was another infamous "murderer" (charles manson) who manipulated people to murder for him and he was sentences to life?

[@victoriarailsback3311]

Munchausen by Proxy is also called medical abuse and is considered by many professionals not to be a mental illness, but a form of abuse. There is a really interesting podcast called Nobody Should Believe Me which discusses the topic and looks at several different cases related to it, including covering Take Care of Maya - it’s a really informative podcast on this subject for anyone who is interested!

[@kristenkalinowski2551]

Thank you for this. I’ll check out the podcast!

[@Kaiser_MHA]

It is often said that Munchausen by proxy is the only ‘mental health condition’ that GUARANTEES abusive behaviour. You can’t have it & NOT be abusive.

[@kinkykitty77]

​@@kristenkalinowski2551 Take Care of Maya us heartbreaking. I just wanna give you a heads up.

[@jayofthedeadd]

Total respect for not portraying a "good" and "bad" guy in this situation. I had full support for Gypsy and her story from the first time I heard it many years ago, but seeing her pattern of manipulative behavior was very telling. Of course I still sympathize with what was done to her, but we need to stop pretending like people who are abused can't take any accountability for bad actions. I say this as someone who has experienced abused myself. I'm really surprised people aren't talking about the weird interviews with her husband where she displays the same exact behavior Dee Dee did to her.

[@SamGarrett]

I'm the same way. I think what a lot of people forget about survivors of childhood abuse, especially if it involved manipulation and other psychological and emotional abuse, is that they usually adopt the same behaviors as their abusers. It's not their fault for that being all they know, but it's IS their fault if they don't take steps to correct that harmful behavior. That's why generational abuse is so common in those kinds of families. I hope she gets the help she needs.

[@tanwynann]

i have watched your videos for years but never commented but i feel it is important to do so now. whenever i see documentaries or videos on this case the one part i dread is the mention of ASD and DID. as someone with both i find the public view very isolating and distressing. the way you approached it (especially as someone who didnt feel the most informed so reached out to others) it made me feel seen and heard. it didnt make me feel like yet another person villinising the dissorders because someone who did a bad thing has it. i cannot express enough how much this is appreciated

[@denisepeterson2082]

I know it's not a popular stance, but I feel so bad for Nickolas. He should of gotten out before they let her out. She learned how to manipulate from the master that was her mom. Yes, he should of been punished for his part. Just not like he did.

[@meganmahaffey5421]

I also hope ppl take into consideration how medications (especially meds u don’t need) can cause ppl to act or behavior in a bad or specific way, I can’t even imagine how many meds she was on that she didn’t need and how they probably caused her to not be able to function like an adult:

[@DrinkYourNailPolish]

When I was a teen I was put on an asthma medication that basically was like speed. I was totally erratic and thankfully my parents noticed what caused the change and got me off that medication and into something more mild. And that's just an ASTHMA medication. I can't imagine what sort of drugs GR was on!!

[@jenkem69]

Her saying she doesn't identify as a killer or the whole "I didn't do the act" thing is CRAZY! she knows exactly what she did...

[@trepidjam]

autistic viewer here: I love the way you crowdsourced/asked for autistic people's preferences in language 😭💕 it makes me so happy to know that we're heard

[@HistoryGurl78]

I would love to see an update on this with all the new drama going on with the pregnancy and the bullying of other Munchausen by proxy survivor content creators...

[@sheenaldeo]

I’m baffled at what she said in prison about Nick. Basically blaming him for her being in jail and saying he’s not a real man. Like she planned it and she’s the reason he’s in jail and her mom’s dead.

[@jogrant3851]

I think she's been taken under a few wings in jail and she's being taught (coached) about what took place. She's smart enough to see where that is going.

[@azuxiv]

​@@Andromyway yes, not wrong. but denying accountability all the same and fully throwing the other person under the bus. it just... speaks her character. it's odd to listen her saying "i don't identify with murder" when her involvement is quite big, from planning, procuring tools, and guiding. murder is a permanent stain. and people who get second chance, for all means go, move on with your live, but never denies the past. that's just lying to yourself.

[@redshed2020]

She is not the reason he's in jail. He's in jail because HE murdered someone, he chose to do so. They both committed a crime. He's not a victim.

[@monikajohnson8236]

@@redshed2020Nick is the ONLY victim.

[@monikajohnson8236]

@gen3328 yea the guy who has a brain defect and is easily manipulated by a con artist who used s*x to have him do her dirty work. She was complicit with her mom on conning people out of money for trips,homes,gifts ect… she could’ve 100% WALKED out any time. Chose to stay,loved the gifts and attention. No different than why her mother was doing it. Loved being in the spotlight. Just like now.

[@jstwtchm3]

When you think about it, those 8 years in prison was more freedom than Gypsy has ever had her entire life. That why she seems so unbothered by all of this.

[@Hellokittytheonetheylovetohate]

Any excuse is better than none.

[@caseyc2497]

she's literally said in the past that she had more freedom in prison than she ever did wiht her mother.

[@jstwtchm3]

@@Hellokittytheonetheylovetohate definitely not making any excuses for her. If anything, the guy should have gotten less time than she did. In all actuality, she took advantage of someone who actually had less reliable decisions making skills than she did.

[@TalRashal]

I live in Springfield, and have before the murder. It was actually not a total surprise to a lot of people here. That family was involved in MANY donations and fundraisers after they moved here from Louisiana.

[@THEDubbleHelixx]

The murder was not a surprise, or the fake disabilities?

[@parawomenradio]

what made it not a total shock? Were there noticeable cracks?

[@TalRashal]

They were on the nightly local news a TON, in church (there's 1000+ here) newsletters, in every fundraiser, and in the news paper a lot. Her mother was a good manipulator, but you also can't see a dying child in the news for YEARS... ya know?@@parawomenradio

[@LunaKnightmare]

At the beginning of 2023, I was obsessed with Gypsy Rose, thinking she got justice or deserved to get out of prison. Now I think it's f**ked up that she came up with her mother's murder and manipulated Nick.

[@sleekspeech]

There's a podcast called the hidden true crime podcast where a (frankly brilliant) forensic psychologist took a lot of heat for asking the same questions you're asking and he's a freaking expert in the motivation of criminal offenders. (To be clear, he isn't assigning motives or diagnosing. Just asking the questions ) I definitely appreciate the multiple perspectives you've brought to this.

[@foxymama9203]

@sleekspeech, LOVE Dr John!!

[@KelseyDrummer]

They're awesome!

[@booknerd9850]

I always looked at the case in a way that two people who have learning difficulties, Nick being Autistic with difficulties understanding things and GR (short version of her name) wasn't taught things that most people learn at school, so it impacts the way they both think about things. So for GR it was probably seen as the only way she could think of removing the person who is metaphorically suffocating her in the lack of freedom, and Nick wasn't able to comprehend that there were other ways of helping her.

[@witchyemmy8090]

Just correcting u there. Having autism does not mean you have a learning difficulty. Learnign difficulties are more prominant in autistic people, yes. But that does not mean that every autistic person has it. Im an example. I have autism whist simultaniously having the IQ higher than 98% of the population (thata what the psychologist that diognosed me said at least) So yeah. That whole thing is bs

[@JadeSm96]

​@@witchyemmy8090Thank you for commenting this. Peoples belief that ASD is a learning difficulty means people never believe me when they find out I am Autistic or take my needs seriously because of masking. It's so exhausting how badly we are misrepresented in the media that this is such a common belief...

[@booknerd9850]

@@witchyemmy8090 I know that autism and having learning difficulties aren't always linked together, but from the why they said that at 26 years old he had a mind of a 15 year old, along with how he didn't have a full understanding of things such as that he could of called the police or reported what was happening to GR to people who could help her without either of them getting arrested for murder.

[@booknerd9850]

@@witchyemmy8090 Also I have autism (along with Dyslexia and colour dyslexia) and where I am in the UK, it is more associated together as most autistic people have difficulty in learning in one aspect of another, it's a branch term used to mean that they/themselves have problems understanding something in a certain way and need a different approach to understand things. For example, if someone who is 14 - 15 and book smart (a term to mean they are smart by learning from books) was told that they had to present a report on a film with a small group in front of everyone, but they struggled to understand why they couldn't just write a report by themselves, then the adult would teach them that they have to work with others as a group to talk about the film, that they may write it down with the help of the rest of the group and read it to the rest of the people when doing the presentation.

[@booknerd9850]

@@JadeSm96 I don't believe it is one in the same, just that he seemed to have problems understanding certain things, am sorry if my wording came across like that but believe me it was not my intention for it to come across that way. I can relate to you in the sense that I mask unintentionally around people, but when people hear that I'm autistic then some have treated me like I am a child and don't understand things. It has even caused people to believe that I am violent due to them only knowing the bad stories about autistic people, which has in turn caused mental health issues growing up. The media was putting autism in a negative light for a very long time, for basically not understanding or wanting to understand what it actually is. But in areas around where I live it has come out in more positives by local papers and media coverage as they are more open to understanding, not that everywhere is the same but since around 2015 talks about autism/autistic people are seen as interesting people who look at things a different way. There have even been autistic people working with local councils and training people to understand the needs that they have and what to do to help.

[@mel2d2]

Swoop, so grateful for your coverage on this. I’m an adult human with AuDHD. One of the things I think needs to be discussed in this case, and in court, is the difference in how we process, not just negative emotions, but love. We typically have issues with interoception, and we sometimes, literally, feel emotions. That’s part of the sensory processing. Love can be intoxicating, in a very real way. I love with my whole being. That can tend towards being naive, and very easily manipulated, even with a high IQ. Our jacked up empathy can make us easy targets, and feeling everyone else’s emotions all the time can be a hugely confusing thing, because you have to filter out what isn’t yours. We also often struggle with lying. That’s why social situations are so hard. We can often tell when people’s words and intentions don’t match. It makes living in society in general kind of hard, because a lot of it is built upon mutually agreed upon lying. (Like, what is money even, really?) (I hope this makes sense.) This case has always bothered me. I do feel like she took advantage of a vulnerable person. Gypsy is a survivor, and I feel for her for that reason, but she learned from a master how to get what she needs. I feel for Nick, and I think his sentence is heartbreaking. Can’t thank you enough for including the ND community in your conversation. ❤

[@piggiesmallspodcast9102]

I agree with you

[@Nasdaqbaby]

why was a deal offered in first place they had them both

[@Iluvmysontate]

My son is currently 8 when he was 5 he was diagnosed with ADHD in 2020 he was diagnosed with Asperger's so I can say my son is super emotional & sensitive. It's hard to put into words he can't read social clues, doesn't like being touch has serious fears of world issues it's like he can't articulate but he's the most honest loving boy wants to help EVERYONE to be happy

[@Oddytwin]

I'm gonna leave this as a singular thought because this wasn't mentioned in this Doc: The coroner's report states the mother was stabbed 17 times, but Nick has been adamant that he stabbed her only 4 times. Where did the other 13 times come from?

[@patriciapearl2529]

I believe gypsy did. There was a Barney stuffed animal found near Dee Dees body. I doubt Nick brought it to her bedroom so why was it there? Even the police mention this Barney. I think Gypsy stabbed her supervisor but nick did the more deadly stabs.

[@jenniferwilliams3986]

I heard she got two of the same type of knife that day and probably was in the room when her mom died and probably did the 13 and nick did the final four to end her life . She’s def as innocent in this as she previously claimed to be

[@Oddytwin]

@jenniferwilliams3986 Without evidence, that is just conjecture and rumor. The point I brought is based off his statement and the coroner's report bringing educated conjecture. Without actually having evidence, this shouldn't be discussed

[@katscratchfever3506]

Yep yep

[@OmgBroCoolStory]

I understand the situation is very nuanced but I think it’s fairly clear that Gypsy was under a lot of mental stress that Nick was not. Gypsy was thinking of horrible things as her body’s way of trying to get her to safety away from her abusive mother. That is entirely psychologically understandable. While I do feel for Nick, I think it is important to recognize that he himself admitted he wanted to engage in these dark fantasies before even meeting Gypsy. With how many true crime cases come out about young boys like Nick fantasizing about wanting to hurt others and then actualizing them later in life I wonder if people are properly taking into consideration his role in all of this. I do not think Gypsy should be an influencer, I think she is being taken advantage of by her current husband and the media. But it is wild to me how many people want to scrutinize this poor girl who literally is having her first taste of freedom ever in her life and doesn’t even get to figure things out privately. I think Nick should receive a lot of reformative therapy and potentially be offered early release depending how evaluations go. I am sorry but this craze of pitting him and Gypsy against eachother seems like senseless true crime drama devoid of any progressive reasoning. Just my thoughts.

[@LunaBeth97]

This comment actually made me realise why I feel kinda angry at the boyfriends sentence. I initially thought it was because it's another example of neurodivergent people being treated badly by society and social systems in comparison to neurotypical people. However, it's also that there's no chance for restorative justice. They both did a very bad thing but had somewhat moral intentions and, while Gypsy can now be free and heal, the boyfriend has no chance to have a normal life ever again. It also sucks as in the investigation he was open and honest whereas gypsy was being manipulative and deceitful but there was no merit for him at the end.

[@ArDeeMee]

There‘s also the „males are aggressors/females are weak little victims“ bias playing a role in this.

[@orangesweetness]

Swoooop, you did an amazing job at highlighting the many sides of this complex situation. There’s no winners here, and this whole thing is sad all the way around. I have mixed feelings as well.

[@amandaelle1462]

Thank you for not only caring about how you speak about autism but sharing what you learned at the beginning of the video! 🙌🏻🌸

[@sleepyspacegremlin]

As a person who struggles with several mental health conditions, thank you for being so sensitive to the mental health issues tangled up in this story. I feel like you genuinely tried to represent everyone as fairly as possible.

[@elizel90]

Ive grown sick and tired of hearing about Gypsy Rose, however i was willing to make an acception for a Swoop documentary.

[@Petitephysiquebarre]

There was a bunch of very same-ey content from a lot of content producers when she was first released but I think swoop demonstrated a high level of research and explored this topic from some very unique angles.

[@Myzcreant90s]

I have to say thank you for covering this! The entire story, from when it first aired, bothered me to my core. Full transparency, I have 2 sons on the spectrum, and I'm one of those many people who fell through the cracks, unable to get diagnosed until later as an adult. I also came from a very.... I'm not really sure the PC way to say it, so abusive home life... isolation, csa, etc. So, this story seriously disturbs me. For someone like myself, who thrives on the patterns and connections of life, this pattern probably spans back generations... each person compounding and adding new and even darker forms of abuse and manipulation. I'm not sure how I ended up with any self-awareness that how I was being raised wasn't right or healthy. I'm so thankful for the brain i was blessed with because it helped me see it, and it became a daily choice to try to live positively, carrying over into my adult life and motherhood. My career is now based on creating positive content, mostly on Tiktok, and helping others embrace their neurospiciness and have a better quality of life. This entire story is proof that we have denied mental health for so long... since the beginning of humanity really... that it makes this level of disgusting and toxic behavior possible. And we're so much more connected as a society that we're seeing more and more stories like this. The glamorization of the case in the media, her documentaries, and social media hype... it's a horrible recipe that is only going to allow her to continue the manipulative pattern in new ways. It's refreshing to hear you discuss this case, the way you see below the surface of it. Keep shining a light on the darkness, you're making a huge difference! And anyone that might read this mini rant... you are amazing! If you come from a dark background, you do not have to continue the pattern. Breaking that chain starts with you. And if you are the chain breaker in your family, I'm proud of you! I know it takes so much work, it's so difficult and you probably don't get recognition for it. please know you're not alone in that battle, and it will make all the difference to those you love. And to all my fellow spectrum-beanz (term of endearment 💖) you are fantastical! Keep moving forward embracing who you are and may your mask not be needed today!

[@grimmwiitch]

autistic and ADHD here. your videos have been an immense comfort for me as an abuse survivor and they have helped me so much during my healing. seeing how thorough and careful you were while researching autism and bringing awareness to the proper language in order to talk about autism means the world, specially considering the impact of your work. thank you so much for bringing awareness to the topic regarding GR’s name and the G slur. it always irked me how no one seemed to mention it while covering this story. i’m not roma but it’s crucial that their concerns, as a people that has been dehumanized and subject to horrendous racism for centuries, are heard and that people take it seriously, and i’ve only seen others dismissing it out of hand. stellar covering as always. thank you for keeping my hopes up in the world.

[@basicallyno1722]

@grimm Irish travelers seem to really embrace the name. Most likely because for them it isn’t a slur.

[@Gxylord]

@@basicallyno1722 yeah it's on the ethnicity registry in the UK (I'm assuming you're from the UK or Ireland)

[@libertymadness9812]

I think Nick’s whole Angel vs Devil situation is a way for him to explain his conflicting thoughts and feelings toward what he does. Using this metaphor would make it much easier to explain to people how you’re feeling and what you’re thinking at times if you don’t fully understand what’s going on within yourself

[@leebliss3622]

It also makes it easier to seperate yourself from the behaviour and thoughts, it’s a way of framing his own behaviour as though it’s being done by something exterior or mysterious, because he’s so horrified that he did it, so he needs to seperate himself from it to be able to sit with himself without just falling apart

[@joxclever]

That Prison Confession show really rubbed me the wrong way. It really went hard on the Nick-is-a-bad-guy angle. There was a lot of kink shaming too. Like, having fantasies and being into BDSM is not a crime, in itself. Not trying to detract from what he did, but he's not a moustache twirling villain.

[@Gothymothmoth]

this.....also the tape/why GR and her EX talked was to me that of a young cringy edgy teenager couple........like both of them are mentally stunted in their growth, have to addd again:some of us kinky foke end up this way from damage

[@PebblesMama0403]

I live 2 miles from her former home here in Springfield. People drive by that house all the time just to photograph the “Gypsy Rose” home. The people that live there have had to put up no trespassing signs all over the yard and get no privacy. She also put her neighbors through mental trauma by doing this after they trusted her and her mother. She messed up big time

[@huggablepenguin1465]

This woman, who is arguably in the mental state of a young girl, should've been protected, not pushed into the spotlight the day she left prison. She did the crime, she served her time, she should've went out of prison, changed her name, and started anew.

[@ahrimechell7598]

I agree

[@joleenquack]

As an AuADHD gal, i appreciate the care you took in reference to the diagnosis that are a part of this story. The sensitivity and compassion you show is one of the reasons I love watching your docs Thank you for everything you do

[@greenvic90]

I was in an abusive home, with my mum being the abuser. I tried getting help, but since she is such a good manipulator nothing ever happened. Until I was an adult. But then again; she got out of prison because of “good behavior” 😰🤦🏽‍♀️

[@kyleemeg2171]

“When they say I’m a murderer, I don’t identify as that”….. yeah, and I’m sure her mother wouldn’t have “identified” as an abuser… doesn’t mean it’s not true

[@mvlad8725]

Her husband clearly said that about GR as a way to remain in denial about his own skewed/fetishizing nature _and_ to justify his relationship with her, as well. Its got nothing to do with his take on her, its simply his own fresh brand of delulu and defensive maneuvering in the eyes of the public.

[@iolitelight]

I doubt that he wants all the attention though. He just wanted his private fantasy of being the knight that gives her a happily ever after. I feel a bit sorry for him. But yeah, now he's getting cornered and has to say something so he doesn't look like a total dope.

[@mvlad8725]

Also, just take another look at her expression when he's saying this. Even _she_ isn't agreeing with it on the inside - it's written all over her face.

[@LilMorphineAnnie]

I love that you’re discussing this case! I genuinely don’t think there’s a perfect answer to this situation at all. No one in the situation is “perfectly” innocent or guilty.

[@Vanessa2-qt9ym]

Murder is murder…… everyone involved in murder….. is guilty

[@stikk_bugg]

It honestly pisses me off how the internet will just turn a blind eye to the fact that she had a part in the deed as well Do I blame her for doing it? No I do however condemn her for blaming Nick for everything the second she got out, acting like she didnt plead guilty to second degree Shes not a "girlboss" for that

[@stikk_bugg]

I believe she did manipulate Nick Idk that for a fact, but the way shes now putting all the blame on him now that shes out and hes spending his LIFE in prison It just seems like she got exactly what she wanted from Nick, and is now throwing him away after hes no longer useful

[@drill4206]

She learned to manipulate from the best teacher her mom. She will always be dangerous in my mind

[@debbiewong6539]

Agreed I also noticed in one of the most recent videos on Instagram that her husband just looks so drained like being with her has been a nightmare and every ounce of life that he has been sucked away if that is the cass poor guy

[@nicolekaye1236]

@@drill4206 I completely agree, she knows how to play people and it was the only way she knew how to live so for her to just come out of prison reformed I don’t think she was but for her to keep going on shows and podcasts and completely saying she didn’t do the actual murder and having to repeat it over and over again but she needs to not speak on anything with him

[@katscratchfever3506]

@@stikk_buggand now she got what she wanted from Ryan too. Threw him away like trash just like she did Nick 😢

[@L3ttucePr3y]

Charles Manson never murdered anyone, but he commanded his minions to murder for him. Isn't Gypsy the exact same, in that regard? Why was she released from prison, yet those who performed similar crimes to her got life in prison? Is it simply due to the Munchausen syndrome by proxy? I have many questions, but this whole thing (especially her release) has always rubbed me the wrong way.

[@druelia9485]

I used to be obsessed with this story when I first heard it a few years ago, then when she got released, the internet did what the internet does and ran it into the ground and I got super tired of hearing about her. But I will ALWAYS stop and watch a swoop doc when it's on one of my favorite subjects, I don't care who else has covered it!! BTW your lipstick is BEAUTIFUL!!

[@Msjanellej]

I was just thinking that about her lipstick!