Inside The World of Twitter Groomers (The John Bob Documentary)

[@lightningcolond]

i like how tarhead told johnbob to get help and then instantly turned out to be a comically evil scooby-doo villain piece of shit

[@duckyjoel5373]

it's a bit hilarious actually

[@purpledinosaur5118]

Scooby doo!

[@CuriousOfficial]

That's just Among Us levels of suspicion.

[@jellohead1036]

We've unmaked the REAL culprit!

[@FrogmaskMusic]

@@lunaticmotorstormer It’s hard to explain but the way he worded it made it feel as if he would HAVE to not follow his own advice in order to give it

[@metapuns9004]

I knew TAR_HEAD personally, before he went by that name, and he was a terrible person. He treated his girlfriend like shit in front of everyone. He tortured a real living rat for fun and posted it online. When I warned John Bob about him, he didn't care. He stayed friends. I'm convinced they all knew about this shit.

[@sawedoffshottyshane9637]

Wow

[@decidnotmatter3942]

Jesus Christ, that was terrible.

[@notquitehuman5097]

That explains the shitty edgelord mouse thing as his avatar.

[@senorroachman6783]

How exactly did he torture the rat? I'm asking this because one time on reddit, I witnessed a video of someone cutting off a rat's dick with scissors. I never went back to that subreddit. I'm wondering if that's what you're talking about.

[@metapuns9004]

@@senorroachman6783 I don't think he did that, that sounds horrific... He beheaded it

[@hoodedman6579]

Regardless of context, "I'll draw hentai of us if you rp with me" is the weirdest offer I have ever heard.

[@Jx_-]

I'll draw hentai of us if you rp with me 😳 You're right, I feel like a groomer now.

[@SirBlackReeds]

That's putting it lightly.

[@MustacheDLuffy]

Is that a question? It’s oddly phrased as if they’d want to do it already

[@janeappleseed2154]

If you draw hentai of me, I will RP with you. Come here, my little pogchamp.

[@lemursven9195]

The art of the deal

[@WhiteNeedles]

Ahhh, i remember the days when grooming meant getting fresh cut from your local barbershop across the street.

[@PlumbG_uhh]

Or when they did the same with your dog

[@Nikku4211]

Dog grooming in 2010: Yeh get my dog that cut, G. *Dog grooming in 2020:*

[@Spongyboi897]

Groomers in 2015: Yo Jimmy!, I just got a cool haircut from the groomer! *Groomers in 2020:*

[@hicknopunk]

I feel weird now about how often I mention on the phone that I am grooming my cat 🤣🤣😂

[@chmezpolab]

Pet groomers in 2000s: yeah ill help out your pet to bexome pretty!! Pet groomers in 2015-2023: 💀

[@xcite3122]

Surprised so few comments mention GitGudNami. That guy was in his 30s asking a 13 year old to take pictures of himself in his underwear. He's the worst of them all. Truly sickening

[@cybercrasherstv]

I think it's cause the difference in tone. John was asking someone to draw NSFW for him, tar got CP, and Nami mostly got face pics. All are awful, but one at first looks less egregious. I agree tho, that age gab is the worse. But I don't blame people for thinking cursing out a child you abused is far worse

[@alexanderjakubowski6183]

It's weird for a 30 year old to be talking to a 13 year old online to begin with

[@TheLinposterIsSus]

Twitter “artists” are mainly perverts

[@statmemento3984]

@@alexanderjakubowski6183 If they specifically seek them out it is. In online communities there are big age differences and it really isn't that weird that people with like 20 years age difference are friends, but when people are befriending others because of their age, yeah that sounds like it's time to seek professional help.

[@Cinko420]

@@TheLinposterIsSus Well, that’s not completely true. They can be assholes too. Have you seen the amount of “art fixers” on Twitter?

[@denied9]

I can imagine Tarhead crying on his bed after seeing Leafy’s tweet and I love it

[@sinctova]

Now THAT makes me feel better

[@ponikoTV]

I know right hahahaha

[@kiyote437]

*OWNED*

[@whiterat_png]

-That's sad and funny at the same time-

[@Nik-yr2cx]

Funny

[@prinniapuff]

The moral of the story is: "don't meet your heroes, they'll probably just ask you for nudes."

[@theturtwig50]

Where is the lie XD

[@dantheman9750]

My wife left me

[@MrPerfectCellToYou]

when spiderman asks for your nudes 😳

[@geegoflex6762]

@@dantheman9750 ok

[@davidv3612]

@@MrPerfectCellToYou when Batman asks for nudes 😳

[@petergunner1091]

I think GetGudNami and Tarhead were far more damaging, they border on creepy and psychological where I just see John as an idiot dependent on internet validation. BUT John Bob being the figurehead of this massive group of artists really didn't help his case. At that point there was no real way he could defend or save himself. What a depressing period, crazier that these reveals were so close to each other too. There are some lessons to learn here about the lure of social media.

[@brytilaar]

What about Cosmodore?

[@taylorwest8465]

Jesus christ how did all these twitter artists end up being into kids? Statistically that confuses me so much

[@ajpdubz7049]

there are so many more pedophiles than we could imagine. they are all hiding obviously, either they want to abuse kids, or they're ashamed of how they feel. its scary. i wonder how many people would benefit from help and how many there really are. :(

[@taylorwest8465]

@@ajpdubz7049 It is just that it was literally a random group of artists, if it was a group of people who had found each other online for that purpose the it would make sense since it would be a pedi ring. But no, just a group pulled together coincidentally, for art, by a random guy. Yet so many nonces, and active ones too. Crazy

[@butasimpleidiotwizard]

Like I'm 21 and I didn't realise how easy it is to overlook someones age until I went back to finish high school (dropped out for medical reasons the first time), I assumed since its an "adult learning environment" (their words idk how else to put it) that everyone there would be at least 18 but more around my age, I was wrong. Apparently quite a few kids just go directly there to complete year 11 and 12 instead of staying at high school because they find the different class structure less stressful, I was like halfway into the term before I learned this and realised that half the people I was talking to were 16/17 years old, we're just not used to interacting with minors since adults don't encounter them irl outside of specific circumstances and minors don't encounter adults irl outside of specific circumstances so the idea that they could in fact be part of the same social age group fucks a lot of people up when they find themselves in the middle of it. I'm definitely more mature than a 17 year old, but it's really not that easy to tell when most situations don't require a huge amount of maturity to handle, it's only really evident when you end up talking about things like mental health or relationships but the problem there is I'm also more mature about those things than most people my age, and people with mental health conditions who are likely to turn to twitter as a source of social interaction and comfort are less mature than most people my age, which puts them a lot closer in maturity to minors than people expect them to be.

[@taylorwest8465]

@@butasimpleidiotwizard Yeah you can be friends with teens, and socially I would say around 16-22 can get on very well. But there is a difference between friendship and relationship and this isn't people interacting with people through circumstance. This is people online interacting with people they know are minors for purely sexual reasons. I don't get what your point is?

[@butasimpleidiotwizard]

@@taylorwest8465 you asked why so many twitter artists end up being into teenagers so I answered, I didn't say that it was okay or rational or that most people would fall into it it's just that twitter artists usually have the toxic mix of circumstances that make them less likely to have problems dating 16 year olds, most of them (under about 21/22) are not into kids, they just don't register for the reasons I said earlier that 16 year olds are not adults.

[@MLittleBrony]

Jesus Christ. i can't imagine how it must feel to learn one of your friends is a groomer. like, there's broken pedestal, and then there's _that._

[@Cyynapse]

as someone who was friends with john it feels very strange. its like learning they were someone completely different

[@ascii0n278]

@@Cyynapse I hope your doing good at your life

[@themoribundapathetic4530]

my groomer was my friend ._.

[@amelialonelyfart8848]

It's a gross feeling alright. One of my ex-'friends', who I respected greatly turned out to be a incredibly shitty person. He would demand his boyfriend into 'role-play sex' with him constantly and berate him if he ever stood up for himself, causing to become suicidal for God knows how long. The moment they split up, he got _really_ friendly with me, but I knew he was a creep so I didn't pay him any mind. Me and his boyfriend were 16-17. He was like 28.

[@tsukisuperior1001]

ive been there

[@HombreEnCelo5050]

Bro I remember seeing his twitter art and think to myself " bro this guy gives me a weird vibe, like an old fat guy giving free candy in his van to little kids " and oh boy did i hit close to home.

[@gremboxes]

REALLY?!!

[@quaygrass6212]

@@gremboxes it really isn‘t hard to imagine considering how he seemingly just rose to prominence so sudden. That‘s off putting.

[@scorchercarnation]

I literally always have gut feelings about people too lol Welcome to the "gut feelings for random people" squad lol

[@noahsains6227]

@@scorchercarnation im sorry but was the most innane and obvisous statements ive ever read

[@rubyy.7374]

@@noahsains6227 If you’re going to use thesaurus words to sound smart, at the very least learn to spell them right.

[@maybemablemaples2144]

Even for me as a grown ass adult I'm tired of artists being groomers. I've survived CSA and it infuriates me that I could've been supporting such an individual. Tbh I do my very best to keep away from younger *anything*. Why can't people just be not horrifically weird 🙃? Protip: if any adult asks you to do anything sexual, you take a screenshot and block. You tell whatever adult you know you can trust and you report that person. It doesn't matter if they find you *blank* for your age. You turn right around and get far away. God I wish I did have to say this.

[@trevorsgamingroom5284]

whats does CSA mean?

[@shindayuza6456]

@@trevorsgamingroom5284 Centro Sportivo Alagoano

[@xXx_Oshino_xXx]

@@trevorsgamingroom5284 Confederate States of America

[@wildfire9280]

@@trevorsgamingroom5284 Combines Syndicates of America, the better CSA

[@ImperialisticTendencies]

CSA means child sexual assault right? If so, I hope your doing good right now,

[@PikaPetey]

this is the first time im hearing about this animator. interesting outcome.. Im so glad these social platforms weren't around when i was going through teen years

[@supermarvingaming]

hi

[@citlalinajera3745]

love ur stuff dude

[@supermarvingaming]

@@citlalinajera3745 thanks

[@Tanookicatoon]

Yeah because you'd actually be held accountable for all the freaky shit that YOU'VE actually been called out on. Freaky how no one ever brings that up, but here you are, being all "hee hee, I lived!"

[@itsClaptrap]

@@Tanookicatoon And that's bad because... why? "let's hold every immature thing every immature person has done to them to make them accountable!" is not a healthy way to have people grow, they have to be willing to fess up to their wrong doings, and being hostile toward them out the door isnt going to make that happen. Its just going to make them scared and hide, to which they wont change, theyll just run from the situation because theyre being attacked. That is not to say people can't be angry or offended, but if you cant even be mature enough to hold back your anger and not lash out at someone doing or saying something controversial, giving them the chance to redeem themselves, then you shouldnt be trying to teach others how to better themselves or correct behavior If you genuinely want people to change, you need to give them the chance to change. Platforms like Twitter bullying people for edgy shit theyve done is not justice, its self indulging harrassment campaign Twitter users use in an attempt to feel better about themselves for attacking a perceived bad guy Of course this doesn't apply to people who've done actually malicious (ie they've caused actual emotional/physical/sexual/mental harm on someone) shit, and if they dont want to change, but someone like a teenager saying an edgy joke, or someone generally having risque humor, when they know it's not their view, that it's just over the top humor, or somebody who thinks it's wrong and wants to change, those people are not malicious at all. Certainly not close enough to warrant people threatening them online over it.

[@n3onf0x]

The good moral is: To be careful who you trust, whether they're "talented", "wholesome" and "popular", or not.

[@VinalG4ce]

Problem is that the people that are attracted to these predators are kids. Young impressionable ones.

[@Johanaa]

Yea I almost made fan art for them good thing I didnt

[@DrMecha]

But be more wary of the charismatic and powerful, for they're the ones more likely to get away.

[@c05]

This aged well pretty quickly

[@stevepensando2593]

This aged well because of CallMeCarson

[@toetotipthatsabart5048]

“Tarhead seems kind of like an asshole to be so dismissive of victims and-“ “TARHEAD WAS OUTED AS A GROOMER” “OH SHI-“

[@krazykatedraws1145]

Biggest fucking plot twist I've ever seen

[@Helicopter7]

OH NO

[@sobersplash6172]

he was dismissive because it'd be useful to him

[@ron9365]

that was the largest plot twist ever

[@epochii2756]

Just like bart!

[@farrelanggaraksa2299]

11:49 The part where John Bob draws NSFW art of deer girl without original artist's knowledge was cut...

[@ponikoTV]

Wait really?

[@falendemo546]

Farrel Anggaraksa --- my nightmare is over, yeah!

[@solsol9515]

Moral of the story: Power corrupts, lust corrupts, Twitter sucks.

[@ansrfururactions]

HA, never heard that before.

[@lordlehuezerher]

Hm yeah basically

[@devcron7041]

Anar Chism

[@dog-ez2nu]

BRING BACK TUMBLR. I NEVER THOUGHT ID SAY THAT BUT FUCK TWITTER

[@moseni]

@@dog-ez2nu honestly at least tumblr didnt had boring people

[@skelebones1954]

The John Bob messages were cringey, but the TarHead stuff was fucking EXCRUCIATING.

[@mistereagleman]

Yeah absolutely, I almost felt violated reading it lol

[@skelebones1954]

@@Yumfriedrice

[@amanerahali3300]

@@skelebones1954 did your own stand just vibe check you? o_o

[@markzuckerberg3347]

@@Yumfriedrice Same!

[@user-pr6gn2un8z]

Ngl it made me feel wanting to punch Tarhead in his edgy face because I was pissed xD

[@Saltydkdan]

Awesome video dude as per the usual. I’m still mortified that I had used his art as my PFP for so long on Twitter, still disgusts me to this day

[@bigfatkitkat1714]

rip

[@solsol9515]

bruh moment

[@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn]

u gonna read the rest of the sonic bible ;DDDDD

[@chill5611]

my name Jeff

[@thewarpipe6368]

Wow! Is that Salty "Damn Daniel" Dan!?

[@jordythecat7181]

It feels like sometimes you’ll find twitter artists who’ll draw nothing but cute characters in charming situations, who look like they were the artist of a beloved children’s series in a parallel timeline, and then a week later you’ll find out they’ve been running a child trafficking ring in Guatemala for the past two years.

[@AvareKotenok]

The moral of the story is this: DO NOT idolize people with clout. They are not perfect, flawless people. And often times, they will take advantage of their power to manipulate people. I am very sick of basically hearing the same story over and over again. Social media does too good a job of giving groomers a platform to sexually abuse minors. And there's nothing we can do about it other than be smarter about the sort of relationships we form with these people.

[@firstnamelastname6327]

exactly

[@courier4529]

I mean parents could raise their own kids too but yeah.

[@AvareKotenok]

@@courier4529 stricter parents don't make for safer children, they only produce sneakier children. It's quite a bit deeper than that.

[@courier4529]

@@AvareKotenok Strict and intelligent parents produce upstanding children. I'm living proof.

[@SeekerLancer]

This. Anyone who builds a cult of personality around them is bound to be an asshole.

[@firstlast]

I remember when me and a group of friends were trolling him on Twitter. Good, good times those were.

[@Droilius]

hi!

[@scooch4742]

Yooo, itsa pahty up in here!!!

[@pjFrixMediaArchive]

oh hey

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

When was that? Before he was exposed or after?

[@pjFrixMediaArchive]

last time i remember it was before

[@spaceace9103]

Why is it so hard for some people to stay away from the kids

[@kylegarrison6216]

Because children are always the ones that want to talk to them

[@vomit2go]

@@kylegarrison6216 just say no to drugs.

[@CBRN-115]

I cannot understand why kids are "appealing" to some people. To me, kids are annoying little shits. Just why are those people want to fuck kids? Just WHY?

[@finnd9580]

FOR REALL. Kids pick there noses and are just annoying why would you want to...

[@jeanfrancozaratemarcial7916]

@@CBRN-115 Sexual frustration takes a toll psychologically, and then, the lust grows and the individual goes on a downward spiral.

[@toothlilli]

This video is almost 3 years old and only now did i notice my sona in the lil crowd shot with john bobs sona flying around. I didnt even remember interacting with john bob directly but What a jumpscare! Anyways great video, i like to watch it on loop every once in a while. Edit : I FORGOT HE OUTTED HIMSELF ON MY BIRTHDAY AS WELL. CHRIST.

[@reggiethenuclearbomb]

Interesting

[@pj1343]

can we have the cake now? happy happy birthday to you~!

[@abreathingcoffin8089]

This shit hurts me. As a developing artist I also attempt to reach out to other artists to establish connections and have people to talk to. The idea that something seemingly so innocent could be so malicious turns my stomach.

[@Malachi_C]

I'll drink to that. Same here.

[@fartpluswetone8077]

Have respect for others, yet have some respect for yourself, and respect your borders.

[@PineappleMagician]

Hey I’d love to show art!

[@SirBlackReeds]

I hope your art style develops farther than John Bob's.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

Sus af, bro

[@severalcakes3267]

“We had a similar sense of humour.” *”I’m Jeff.”*

[@RareTrack]

Peak comedy.

[@RandomGuy-bg8zy]

Yeah seems like a top notch guy 13:35

[@jerkanerm]

ery dahmer

[@user-pr6gn2un8z]

@@jerkanerm nice

[@dachillknight6918]

Funi

[@wonderwaffle93]

Months before JB groomer drama, I was beginning to slowly pull away from his circle piece by piece. I was actually prepping a statement pretty much cutting off ties both from the group and his animations, including my characters(even though it was just Sheep I wanted to make it clear that I no longer wanted anything to do with him whatsoever) I basically was planning the best way to escape from it all. It all started when I began to have a real strange gut feeling that something just was not right, I just could not really put my finger on it. Some of it was due to how he would go about things both in twitter and discord, to how he would be all "soft innocent sfw boi only" yet at the same time running both a NSFW page and even a NSFW server in his discord. It was like he had a double standard or just did not know exactly how to go about things. A majority of the reason I was upset due to the fact that he would not bother crediting me in hardly any animations Sheep was included in. He did for the first few vids and post, but as he got bigger he stopped doing that more and more(including many other artist characters he would feature) He even had a voice actor for her and CREDITED HER BUT STILL DID NOT BOTHER TO CREDIT ME. Many people asked me why I didnt say anything sooner, well thats the thing. The guy had a huge following over night and didn't have the best control over his following, I even seen him basically weaponizing his following against people that rubbed him the wrong way(not really going out to cancel but still, you know the internet). Then you got me, with a much smaller following compared to his, the last thing I wanted was him to send his followers at me and making me look like a bad guy when in reality I was just tired how he basically took over my character that people would start thinking I was just some weird obsessed fan artist, Sheep was even considered to be HIS mascot due to how he even used her for promoting his follower goals. Thats it, that is what basically what made me mad the most. He took something of mine and made it his own and would basically leave me in the dark when it came to input or would just ignore it. I would at rare times get random messages and wips from him but he would be basically done with whatever animation he was going to use her in. 90% of the time I would only find about his animations featuring Sheep via stumbling across it on my TL or someone messaging me about it. Though people thought I was a friend, I really wasnt. I tried, i really did but it just felt like he took what needed from me and thats it. Nothing else. I would always be left in the dark and it was frustrating that I found it pointless to even bother and also why I decided to try and step out. When the groomer reveal happened, I used it as a chance to say screw it and take a dive and reclaim what was mine. I burned away every bridge I had that even associated with him, even went through to nuke every interaction I might have had, including saved works from him. It was a challenge but thanks to the help from both friends, followers and complete strangers, I manage to reclaim what was truly mine. I even had people making post and clarifying which characters where his and which were not. At the end of the day though it was hard for alot of us. I consider myself just a bystander who just had the luck of being dragged in for the ride, but man I could not have imagined what those who where actually close to him felt like. As you pointed out, many of us drifted away from each other now, or well I feel like I drifted off the furthest but I have nothing against many of those who where in his circle(except for Tarhead, for obvious reasons) The only one I still talk to is Choco who has been a good friend through this all. As for everyone else I still interact with them time to time and all I can say is that I wish for the best for each and all of them.

[@AniMikeTions]

Bump

[@gobscave]

Man it really is crazy how he pretty much stole sheep from you. She was in almost everything I saw from him. Its weird that he made sheep obsessed with him when you wanted nothing to do with him.

[@AniMikeTions]

@@gobscave yeah that was honestly so disgusting to see, so many people, including me only knew her from his vids and therefore so many associate her with him

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

Sorry about that, that was pretty scummy for him to do that.

[@flugherbutter3434]

I actually thought that sheep was one of johns characters for a long time; I made an animation featuring both John and sheep, but only ended up crediting John because I thought both of the characters belonged to him. So uhhh I’m kinda sorry about that :|

[@pbsmills5815]

Literally everything clicked as soon as him using amino was mentioned

[@MothGuyz-]

LITTLE KING JOHN

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

Stranger danger is real, never trust people online, never trust e-celebs just because they've got numbers, stay anonymous and keep lurking, wait until you're old enough to find the "old you" cringy before you start posting in communities.

[@magencrisis1682]

Stranger danger PSAs need to make a comeback.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

@Death Hand Studios And the internet enables people to be close with strangers.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

@Death Hand Studios And I'm talking about the rampant amount of grooming and exploitations that go on in every community and from more and more creators every day. I understand what your comment is referencing and the statistics report that relates to it, I also understand that it was a statistic that was made before internet celebrity and communities became a large part of every child's life in this current age. It has no merit or value towards or against what I have said here and the modern landscape that is seeming to be affecting way too many online groups.

[@ThatBugBehindYou]

@Death Hand Studios It still doesn't change the validity of anything I've said, not to mention the fact that online users and children online users is only growing every day, it's impossible to say grooming isn't growing with it and that the new online culture isn't becoming more entrenched in it. I find your willingness to devalue my statement that has value no matter what because "muh other forms of abuse" to be strange and creepy TBH.

[@hypernebula8711]

just be me and give up. i never had friends or people i look up to and i never will...everyone sucks and sometimes i like the idea that im gonna be gone someday. sooner or not

[@Ayeloo]

i've said it before and i'll say it again, whenever an artist (or anyone for that matter) pushes overtly cutesy soft personality or mannerisms, steer fucking clear

[@joshzuker8308]

100%. It's the same thing with those kid-friendly Minecraft youtubers like Lionmaker that end up taking advantage of their fans.

[@bananabuns1369]

it seems safer to be with people who are straight edge instead of being with people who are cutesy and all happy

[@faresalsayed9005]

Whenever someone is being overly nice or cutesy it usually means they’re hiding something It’s rare to find someone who genuinely has that kind of personality

[@synthavision]

Fucking RUN, they always got some shit going on behind the scenes. No human can be THAT cute and positive (unless you are a toddler idk)

[@pixaafterdark9915]

@@synthavision Not even toddlers can be that consistently content.

[@Anna-tk7ui]

Every day I feel glad my dad's weird paranoid ideas had leaked into my 13-year-old brain enough that I thought Twitter demanding my phone number was a gross overstep of boundaries. Edit: I realize now I was being a bit too harsh on my dad. Maybe his paranoia about the Internet was true in some way. Least it stopped me from being groomed. So, Dad, if you're reading this, thanks for raising me right.

[@carlweeper7436]

Social media has led to too much sharing of personal information I mean c’mon I have to use my real name on Facebook???

[@joy4084]

True, I never give my phone number in any social media.

[@artemisameretsu6905]

@@carlweeper7436 Do you? I don't, weird

[@ils4844]

Don't let the easy options trick you out. Social Media develops like a parasite on to weak willed people, I would know. All modern SM sites are asinine garbage. We need to go back to the days of IM, BBS and individual sites created by users. Even if it is a risky endeavor it's better than the current options imo.

[@carlweeper7436]

@@artemisameretsu6905 nah I don’t but still really weird

[@xpandorasboxx]

Honestly, John is probably the lesser of the evils here, and has the highest chance of working on himself, as a dumb 18 year old might not be able to see it as wrong at first. Because a three year gap would be fine, if they were both 18 or older. He needs to stay off the internet for a long ass while, get therapy, rethink his choices. The other two were far worse, victim blaming and especially the fucking 30 year old man. Have you done a video on that guy yet? I'd love to watch one, I have no idea who any of these people are

[@kekistani_meme_farmer7242]

An 18 yo dating a 15 yo doesn't need therapy, what kind of drugs are you on?

[@nakedslayer6685]

@MR Hamster agree with this. What he did was reckless at best. An 18 y/o dating someone three years their junior is not fucking pedo shit. I need to say again, people need to take this energy out on the grown and powerful predators in places like hollywood and even the internet and irl in general. It’s like people want to be involved in something without having to actually witness what it really looks like. This is reckless youngsters, y’all are equating this to a poor child getting forced into a relationship with a fully grown adult. It’s scary, the second you turn 18 you have lost any semblance of childishness you once had, according to everyone I’ve seen here, and it’s just not the case. The world is not black and white

[@nakedslayer6685]

@MR Hamster again not defending this guys other abhorrent actions like the fact he was being an actual creep bordering SA but I’m just clarifying that the problem isn’t the 3 years between the person he groomed and himself

[@mpo48]

@MR Hamster you don't need to understand or give chances you only need to punish, and if you try to defend people like this, you need to be in jail.

[@monkeytimestamps4915]

16:46 This message from John (as he is querying his pissed off fans through DMs) is really easy to miss as the video moves along, but it contains one of potentially many different ways John as a predator was attemping to put a spin on the situation that would buy him some reasonable doubt and maybe even sympathy. In this message, John has cobbled together a defense that goes something like, "It is unfortunate for all parties involved, including me (John) that fans mistakenly assumed I was 'squeaky clean' and normal based solely upon the fact that I happened to have a public image that was squeaky clean and normal, which I just happened to have crafted and maintained for myself as a sheer coincidence that was totally unbeknownst to me and out of my hands. Had my public image happened to instead reflect my true self as a depraved and selfish pedophile, then they would have been able to make an informed decision to be my fans anyway and then they would have been spared the shock and distress regarding these unfortunate revelations about my true predatory nature. We're all victims here - victims of some really unlucky circumstances. And no one moreso than myself. Talk about some rotten luck."

[@maxhydekyle2425]

John is bad, but this Tarhead guy seems awful.

[@imnot_hereiswear]

I might be too young to understand the situation well; but is it just me or does john bob feel somewhat forgivable? Like; I can understand how he thought it was okay since it was only a 3 year age gap. Am I the only one thinking this?

[@StitchedUpPunkette]

@@1millionwarships nah i have to disagree

[@bartsussygaming487]

@@1millionwarships what if you were in the Philippines (age of consent is 12)

[@mrprescription4153]

@;_; ok While anyone doing that kind of thing might not be doing it with malicious intent you still have to keep the power dynamics in mind

[@embreadiment]

I would forgive him but it's not an under 3 year age gap. Still, he realized his wrongdoings.

[@EMOTIONOGRAPHY]

The way he got completely rejected by Leafy was savage.

[@faresalsayed9005]

Hilarious how it hurt him so much he fucking deleted his account

[@thineevee7345]

@@faresalsayed9005 lol

[@EMOTIONOGRAPHY]

@Vlad Vorland Productions no you don't

[@matheusaragao7640]

@Vlad Vorland Productions You don't lmao

[@maajestiic7098]

@@EMOTIONOGRAPHY I would like too, he’s a fuckin amazing dude

[@dolomitilino9015]

I honestly think Tar Head is worse, John had the minuscule decency to admit fault but TarHead just went full on blaming the victim and call out John when he himself did the same

[@WhatIsMyLif3]

Dude they're both bad, I mean I guess yeah but you can't fucking believe anyone who just says, "I'm sorry forgive me and feel bad :(" They're both predators.

[@CrypticPara]

@;_; ok I'm so glad someone says it, i am so so glad to see you said it

[@compa6251]

@;_; ok she was 15, not "in the age range as him". While she just started high school, he was probably looking for a job for university

[@Chia_Mochia]

That's still in the same age range. And he could've just gotten out of highschool. And the person said MENTAL age range, learn to read.

[@joshgroban5291]

@@compa6251 not really, you're just giving the worst possible scenario. He could've easily been a senior in highschool while she was a junior as well. It's still the same range

[@LtJason20]

Moral(s) of the story: 1. Don't message underage fans 2. Don't associate people who don't want to be associated with each other. & 3. Don't have your username be the same as your "private account". Take your pick...

[@imaginativedelusional2389]

1. dont be a pedo

[@inhuman_human6790]

The real moral of the story is don’t let your inner desires for pleasure consume you. You can communicate with young fans, but keep it short and simple and don’t be a creep.

[@freshonion7534]

moral of the story: dont groom minors. and if someone comes out as younger, discontinue communication

[@BBWahoo]

ESPECIALLY if the previous messages were of a sexual nature, that's an immediate out

[@man-wv8xj]

just don’t message fans in general with the intent of having personal or sexual conversations, whether they’re minors or not that’s still a huge power imbalance going on there

[@BBWahoo]

@@man-wv8xj agreed, it's degenerate, selfish and needs to stop

[@eternal4780]

@@man-wv8xj right?? it's just fucking weird for people to even be messaging fans sexually in the first place

[@oliverzwatermelongum]

reminds me of something that happened

[@maplebaconz2122]

"Twitter friendships are frail. Most people will self-destruct before you ever learn their real name." Fucking truuuuue.

[@deidredarling8352]

Lost a friend thru Twitter that way.

[@GLXY23]

@@deidredarling8352 dang... I guess it be that way...

[@deidredarling8352]

@@GLXY23 yeah...it still messes me up to this day

[@GLXY23]

@@deidredarling8352 well I hope that you do find better friends in other places than Twitter

[@deidredarling8352]

@@GLXY23 thank you. I actually found out who my real friends are thanks to that site. I'm surrounded by better people now. :)

[@bigbrungus5284]

How to not get groomed: Step one: don't use discord

[@masternilla6652]

Step two live in finland

[@canyounotmydude9155]

@@masternilla6652 Step 3, don't trust anyone with two first names

[@Microwaveables11]

@@canyounotmydude9155 4, never forgive John Joe

[@RareTrack]

Step 5, don't have an eboy/girl or anime pfp

[@ochacouraraka5176]

@69Vapemaster69 Step 7, get the fuck away from everyone you'll see everyone in hell anyways so why interact with them now

[@Fournier46]

12:26 - 14:30 wow.... this is why I'm a psychology major. Sex education seems to me like an utter joke when it fails to give people insight into the _emotional dynamics_ we go through!

[@1bridgeyboo]

My old wolf OC at 3:05 in the video. I was his first GF and created a small community on google plus. He had us do a project called cakewalk, but I can't even describe how bad some of the shit he put me through was. Me and some of those people (I'm longer friends with a few or our relationships are strained at best right now) have stuff that hasn't been shared. Perhaps if you considered making any type of follow-up you could tell our story that hasn't been heard yet? He constantly talked about his mommy issues and forced his sexual troubles onto me when I was pretty depressed. I used to go by WolfyDeWolf but pretty soon after our horrible relationship and him constantly venting about how sinful he was, lonely he was, and other personal stuff about NSFW that I can't mention. I can say he talked about getting off to things in detail which I made clear was uncomfortable. I have to mention he is 3 years older, and that I was in 13 and he was 16. I remember once he drew me with pretty big boobs, and why I can say me is because the blond wolf girl was basically just me but as a wolf girl. I can go on, though it's actually kind of hard to look at this avatar without my heart beating hard. I was silent for almost 4 whole years and that has made me mentally unstable to this day. I tried to forgive him because an old friend told me he was better and it was at the time I had people who hurt me, like a bully, show me kindness. He was dismissive about stuff he did but I was still trying to hope. Literally a week after his non-apology to me the grooming stuff came out. That's when I messaged him that he could have stopped with me, I could have been the last one he mentally fucked up with his constant manipulation. I also told him to leave the internet and seek actual help instead of relying on underage people to fill his social and sexual desires for intimacy. The last thing I have screenshot which was what I put on twitter after sharing what he'd done. I could help provide some more stuff from 2016 if needed. Please, anyone reading this. Help keep the dude off the internet. Personally I believe he's a danger to society. That old ex-friend group of mine legit joked about the dude being a future cult leader. Keeping him away from the internet and kids is best.

[@rockhistoria2537]

Jesus shit that fucked up, I hope you are doing better now, have a good new year!

[@1bridgeyboo]

@@rockhistoria2537 Thanks. Appreciated.

[@rockhistoria2537]

@@1bridgeyboo No problem

[@dandygun7786]

It’s a small world after all, I was a part of Cakewalk too. I really hope things get better for you.

[@1bridgeyboo]

@@dandygun7786 Well glad you're fine but I actually have stuff I remember about you being less than great. :/ Appreciate the sentiment either way though.

[@doraeguyakaneddie6586]

This whole situation feels like a parody of internet culture you would see on a adult swim show. It's so over the top He litteraly just grabbed a bunch of random people and was like "You will now be my marketable freind group...nothing could go wrong"

[@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398]

... ... Holy shit, you're actually not far off...

[@se.224]

I need PsychicPebbles (creator of Smiling Friends) to animate that

[@evagineer9165]

@@se.224 your wish has been granted

[@covarksigma1113]

* everything proceeds to go wrong *

[@oshabot1646]

@@evagineer9165 how

[@HarryAmoros]

I'm still sickened by this guy, a shame i allowed him to use my Ingrid on his Halloween game.

[@wonderwaffle93]

I feel ya. That’s basically where I got stuck with him

[@Dajobertomans]

Actual skill issue.

[@habuhomeboy]

Shit my dude I'm so sorry abt that

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

Do you allow people to use your ocs normally without permission? I mean like, you said you allowed him to use your oc even though he didn’t ask about it first.

[@HarryAmoros]

@@JustCallMeHeavy yeah i allow it. But im sickened it ended up being used by someone like him. I might have to change the way i allow people to use my characters

[@NinyaBOT]

I saw Tarhead's art when you first started talking about him and was like "ooo thats a nice style I'll go check him out later" and then I continued the video and was like "nevermind!"

[@robproductions2599]

i can trace his art and no one will ever know

[@Jacadamia]

Reeeaaaally fucking hate that I can point out my old character in this, but it didn’t stop me from appreciating this video. Great job! lol

[@joshuamcintosh1859]

Hi jacadamia and also i can see it lol

[@joshuamcintosh1859]

Its real missed up

[@bremensims6086]

hey it is thy

[@fluffyzuffy]

@@bremensims6086 uh, you may want to edit your comment, you said ‘thy’ lol

[@bremensims6086]

@@fluffyzuffy I said what I meant and I meant what I said

[@urt1202]

>Inoffensive PG Humor >Cutesy drawings >Marketable I could feel the yikes right away

[@sobersplash6172]

really not liking how he drew his avatar as this benevolent angel in that one animation

[@vinteb7987]

Ur almost close to 666 likes

[@vinteb7987]

@hhxa :0

[@TheManinBlack9054]

Uhhh no, Its usually the people with like edgy interests who are like this, slashers, true crime, metal, etc. like tarhead.

[@my_anaconda_dont_want_none]

a groomer can be anyone, no matter how friendly or edgy, they can be a predator

[@urbicide_if]

Favorite part of this is Tar Head leaving the internet after Leafy told him to stfu

[@pointers2010]

yeah kek, final nail in the coffin

[@chaosincarnate7304]

I'd leave social media forever too if THE CRINGE LORD HIMSELF told me I was being cringe and annoying

[@marko-gj1uj]

W

[@marko-gj1uj]

To Leafy

[@qlitch]

Classic leafy W

[@samcantanswer]

it honestly makes me mad about how dirty people did chip. he was a guy with edgy humor, not a groomer at all, he even put down groomers, and he got deplatformed and doxxed for it. his life was ruined when you guys easily forgot about real groomers.

[@KingBoner]

Thats twitter, sick motherfuckers

[@Creator_indy]

I know right?? THESE GUYS WERE GROOMERS YET TWITTER GOT MAD AT CHIP BECAUSE HE WAS EDGY WTF???

[@yosh9192]

I think it speaks volumes about art twitter that incidents involving grooming get swept under the rug and are essentially treated like bringing up a Wendigo at a Native American reservation, but someone being relatively edgy and poking fun at someone for their poorly-hidden fat slob fetish is raked through the coals and skinned alive

[@kyaing9047]

he deserved it for what he did to n64cartridges lol cope

[@ayemex5444]

He's annoying...whatever

[@Gooseworx]

4:22 hey look it's me!

[@grimreaper4579]

nice

[@solkoroads7337]

lol

[@tenkaiizer]

Yep, that's you

[@eduardosilva3255]

bruh

[@Holysnowboard]

Goose over here all “I have become more powerful than you could ever know”

[@lotti696]

it breaks my heart every time i see minors blame themselves for being groomed/abused/taken advantage of. it is not your fault. it is never your fault.

[@IiImonix3]

It changes them forever. Like I showed my gf, who was groomed as a teen this video, and she unironically thought that tarheads 15 year old gf was in the wrong for leaking the convos, saying "she was the more immature one" and she should have understood why he yelled and got mad at her, saying "she should have cared for him more and tried to comfort him" Like jeez, i swear they get brainwashed into believing its always their fault, ive been trying to get her to be more assertive and strong willed since we started dating.

[@butasimpleidiotwizard]

@@IiImonix3 thats because they literally do get brainwashed into believing it's all their fault, the point of grooming is to make the minor think they're on equal footing with their abuser while their abuser holds all the power over them, whether the abuser is aware of it or not (many "adults" (under 21 usually) who groom genuinely believe they're on equal footing with minors because they lack maturity for whatever reason, their emotional development was stunted in some way which makes them dangerous), it makes it very hard for the victim to understand that they were not in any way responsible for anything that happened to them, and that others in the same situation are equally not responsible for their own abuse.

[@butasimpleidiotwizard]

@@IiImonix3 like I somehow got convinced when I was 15/16 that my friend's (14/15) ""boyfriend"" who was in his mid 20s was fine and my friend would be able to handle it if he turned out to be creepy, as if him talking to her in the first place wasn't already super creepy and not okay, just because he'd groomed her into believing that it was okay and she could trust him and she in turn repeated that to me and reassured me that I didn't need to step in and tell somebody because she was totally fine. It took me a few years to unlearn that and realise that teenagers cannot under any circumstances be in a healthy relationship with an adult and if an adult is going after them that way that is already really wrong and the adult needs to be stopped, not the kid.

[@IiImonix3]

@@butasimpleidiotwizard whatever happened to your friend?

[@butasimpleidiotwizard]

@@IiImonix3 we drifted apart not long after that but from what I've heard she's doing better, I have no idea how that situation ended but I'm glad that it did

[@burnt_0range319]

The definition of “Hate the artist, not the art.” Like his animations are really nice, but he’s just so... EW.

[@LeGoodMusica23]

I get what you mean but even though him being bad doesnt affect the way he animates I just can't bring myself to enjoy it because I'll instantly think about how gross he is

[@tonypepporoni1271]

"they also say the impression of the artist is there too" - every music teacher ever... not to be hard on your sentence.

[@AbobrinhaAJ]

like, the art style is so cute but... ew

[@TainaElisabeth]

his art looks like the something a 14 year old would draw as their oc on deviantart

[@jakedoll5782]

@@tonypepporoni1271 very moronic comment

[@dislikebutton6269]

The moral of the story is be distrustful of adults who act childlike and appear to be stuck in a perpetual childhood or adolescence. And always trust your gut instincts. They are correct more often than not.

[@1p0z83]

John Bob sounds like a name a tech support scammer would think of

[@nerfgunpng7552]

Helro, I am John Bob, and I see you haeve a viruse on your compyutor.

[@crunchdoof]

@@nerfgunpng7552 “Tell me something about your daughter”

[@zh9664]

its because its 2 first names

[@estebann2007]

helo this is john bob you have da viruse on ur computa

[@rubocky6126]

"Please? I am this, high in debt, they are gonna saw off my fingers, I need to pay my taxes, my son has been downloading nipples all over!"

[@thecommie9992]

You know what's really easy? *Not grooming a child like oh my God, get someone your own age and get with them with CONSENT. Consent matters no matter what or whom. Why do so many people ignore those 2 things? Consentual and healthy relationships.*

[@thecommie9992]

Let me say that again: *Consent matters no matter what or whom.*

[@evrythingischaos8602]

I don't know if this is a guilty pleasure or not but sometimes I look in the mirror and say "actually y'know what? I AM better than a lot of people! I may be doing the bare minimum but atleast I never groomed a child!" It's one of the only things that boosts my ego now lol

[@IiImonix3]

I couldn't care less about consent. I'm stuck in this stupid ass classroom and you're gonna love me whether you want to or not.

[@butasimpleidiotwizard]

@@IiImonix3 wtf

[@haroldsen4238]

@@butasimpleidiotwizard I think that comment is a refrence.

[@galaxyman7026]

We're all gonna just ignore that fact that these people soliciting nudes from minors got away from the law scott free? Yeah they got bullied off twitter but they aren't serving the time they deserve to.

[@galaxyman7026]

Maybe the reason behind the MAP And zoophile invasion on your godawful site has something to do with the groomers who you just simply let go.

[@galaxyman7026]

Twitter is the garbage fire and the people who just let the pedos go are the ones who are responsible for not extinguishing it

[@galaxyman7026]

I bet you my life savings that Carson is gonna get away in the same way everyone listed in your video got away. "Yeah I bet being bullied off of the silly social media site will stop 'em guys! Pat yourselves on the back!"

[@galaxyman7026]

@Zagger Ziggity yeah but when social media people make it a whole big thing then the predators have a chance to hightail it. if you just contact the police silently then you don't give them as much of a chance to know that they are caught. thank you for your comment either way though.

[@galaxyman7026]

what I'm saying is that it's the influencer's fault for handling data like this so poorly.

[@mrsurge4789]

TAR-HEAD is a prime example that whenever you see someone defend someone outed for predatory behaviour, there's a 90% chance they themselves are also a predator

[@KaslisCat]

how does this not have a reply yet

[@Bruhza5870]

@@KaslisCatyou know I really don’t know tbh

[@americawashington2700]

It was actually shocking to me how vile TarHead’s messages were. He called his *victim* the *n word* and that wasn’t even the worst part.

[@americawashington2700]

@chris b I don't think that's true

[@mehmemeh5285]

I find it more funny than anything that he called his victim the n word lmao, like if that's not childish as hell then idk what is

[@covarksigma1113]

tarhead didnt even go with the standard n word or hard r it he HARD R-ED IT

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

@@covarksigma1113 he is the physical manifestation of an average redditor

[@shoelessbandit1581]

Go play rust for roughly 30 seconds the word basically becomes meaningless.

[@varyingvideos1578]

At least tar got berated by one of his favourite content creators before he deactivated, karma i guess

[@Kittttydotcom]

pure gold

[@conndor2753]

Is it possible to feel another stranger get shot in the soul?

[@zigzoinks5493]

Truly funny and cathartic.

[@autopsyturvy]

funniest part to me is knowing what sort of person Leafy is as an ex fan myself and even HIM being like "not reading this shit lol" is hilarious

[@ripzmad9846]

Doesn't matter what kind of person you are or what you do, that one will hurt for centuries.

[@MaiaPalazzo]

I been seeing a lot of "I'm a safe adult trust me kiddo ☺️", "every adult is out to groom you 😡- but not me ofc~ 😊" on twitter recently. Lots of profiles that year after year, never gets older than 17/18yo... 🤔 They only change their pfp to some new cartoon, anime etc, or when shit happens, changes the @... Intriguing.

[@synthavision]

I DO not trust anyone beyond the age of 17 and older (I am 17 myself) who says "I'm a safe adult, kiddies :)) no need to worry". I never want anyone younger to interact with me lmfao, it feels weird.

[@vokzaal]

Yet somehow 17 year olds whine about being ‘groomed’ by people only one or two years older than them.

[@MaiaPalazzo]

@@vokzaal They just can't decide what IT'S grooming and what's is NOT... Probably depends on what they're getting out of it I guess.

[@MaiaPalazzo]

I think teenagers interact and give way too much personal information to strangers, be them their own age or not (older or younger)... I do remember being approached by older men on MSN but we always had that voice in the back of our head that sounded exactly like our mothers, saying "DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS", and we did just that: quitted on them mtfs. The adventurer ones waited to quit just as they asked to turn on the webcam lol Anyways, DON'T GIVE YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION TO *ANYONE* ON INTERNET.

[@chronotrigger3919]

I'll be honest that "never trust anyone" reminded me of Carson. He's not entirely a groomer per se (19 and 17 year old, two year difference) however he has been revealed as a total piece of sh1t. A "social vampire" if you would.

[@alcerdemon9768]

Being totally honest, I would be more concerned about Tar Head than John, 15 and 18 aint that escándalous of an age gap, thats a relationship you would see in any high School, but with Tar Head age gap being 21 and 15, thats woo, thats the real yikes

[@timmysleftnutsack5075]

An 18 year old is a graduate/ senior, tf they doing dating a freshman? 😭 that’s still weird af

[@Shrek_es_mi_pastor]

@@timmysleftnutsack5075 It's kinda weird but definetely not being a fucking pedo

[@deeperthantheabyss624]

@@timmysleftnutsack5075 happened to my Highschool 18yo dated my classmate 14 at that time. Weirdist shit was everyone supported it (even her classmates).

[@Sharkamfss]

@@deeperthantheabyss624 What the fuck that's not OK at all

[@deeperthantheabyss624]

@@Sharkamfss They broke up. Dude is living his life now.

[@flamingstallion]

Ironic having callmecarson in a documentary about groomers weeks before

[@squawkcrowquack1437]

Yeah

[@ZionnetheMeme]

sweet, free pet spider

[@crutch517]

@@ZionnetheMeme The Giant Enemy Spider

[@-_.Melody._-]

@@crutch517 **beatboxing noises**

[@DiegoMartinez-ur7gi]

Wym I’m confused

[@sloth4844]

i've alway felt slight discomfort with "I'm edgy and cute" types of artist. now i know why.

[@synthavision]

I absolutely can't trust any artist who does a cute yet edgy style. I just can't anymore LOL, there's been wayyy too many incidents

[@sloth4844]

@@synthavision IKR

[@synthavision]

@@sloth4844 I'm better off just working on my own stuff than taking my own chances with these people. Twitter artists be crazy.

[@sloth4844]

@@synthavision Spoken like a lone wolf. I can respect that. Some of those artist just seeking attentions anyway. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But once they achieved it, hubris is their downfall.

[@synthavision]

@@sloth4844 I honestly would rather not be a lone wolf but Twitter artists bring hella stress to the table and my life p stressful as it is lol, but thank u for respecting. Attention is nice but too much can lead to problems, it’s practically addicting

[@hannag4768]

The ONLY way a pedophile or groomer can ever "redeem" themself is by going to therapy long term and actively working to make people who has thoughts like they did seek proffessional help, therefore lowering the potential number of victims being groomed or minors being sexually approached. But nah, instead, they take the pity route feeling bad for themselves. A lot of them do not regret what they did, they only regret being caught.

[@juansan2406]

@@User_Here414 that’s a bit of a stretch. Most of these people need therapy. All 3 of those won’t help them get better

[@User_Here414]

@@juansan2406 it would because they would be dead

[@berbtheherb]

Therapy is long and expensive 9mm is fast and costs around 21cents when people aint panicbuying

[@User_Here414]

@Lazys The Dank Engineer I understand where you're coming from and I agree with you but we were talking about all pedophiles and groomer and how they should be dealt with

[@finished6267]

Nah. They need to douse themselves with gasoline, then find a spark. They never "get well"

[@Minittwastaken]

The art community wasn’t "destroyed" (how can a community that broad even be destroyed?), John Bob destroyed no one but himself.

[@superbot3994]

I was a key member of that community. I won't say who I was in this video, but I was part of it. A big part of it. And let me tell you this: It was destroyed. Reduced to ash. As soon as this whole ordeal went down, the community fell apart. Distrust and discord grew throughout our relationships. The people I once talked to every day and drew and posted comics for every day grew distant. I felt like I couldn't face them anymore after what happened. Even the most popular ones who continued going for a little while afterwards have stopped now. Or straight up don't interact with anyone anymore. It's heartbreaking to watch. And 3 years later, I still struggle to look at their pages.

[@ToxicMonster5]

moral of the story, be careful of your actions online, be careful of the things you send to people, always ask for a persons age before sending nsfw content and if that person refuses to tell you their age, don't send shit and don't ask for shit in return. if they're of age still ask them if they're comfortable to be sent nsfw content, some are not. always ask before just doing, some people are not okay with their characters being featured in nsfw content. always be polite when interacting with another human being. at least that's what i've gleamed from this.

[@dog-ez2nu]

@Egg T a bit too broad I think. that strikes off skype calls with grandma.

[@sleepyavenue5572]

tl;dr: don't be weird

[@tisjustangie]

@@dog-ez2nu stranger older than you* then?

[@TheDawnx]

@Egg T Sounds like exactly what the groomers we're doing

[@missPhos3]

@MechanYex I want people to realize this message more. Social medias in general are now more dangerous than before due to exposure to new users everyday around the world and easily become a victim if you don't notice the bad signs regarding things or people. Took me 7 years to learn this lesson... especially minors

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

>he was 18 and she was 15 Idk maybe I'm just old so 3 years isn't a lot to me but that doesn't sound THAT ba- >talks about her going through puberty OOOKKAAAYYY NEVERMIND

[@ilikebigboysonly8456]

The issue is man the younger the individuals are in a relationship with an age gap, the "bigger" the gap actually is. I'm twenty. If I happened to catch feelings for a twenty three year old I'd catch some heat, but, not that much. In less than a year's time I'll be seen as "mature" enough to legally consume a highly addictive mind altering drug (alcohol). So of course I am seen as legally mature enough to consent to an intimate relationship with someone older than me, hell even if they're old enough to be my dad there's still nothing stopping my consent from being viable in court. Thing is, subtract three years from my age. At 17 (with the exception of a provisional which is very rare & hard to get) I've only been able to drive by myself (by law) for a year. Why? Eighteen months ago I was seen as too immature, too likely to make a decision without fully seeing the consequences to be trusted with a powerful vehicle. To be trusted with my life and the lives of everyone around me. Oh, and, not a day before my 17th birthday has the government deemed me mature enough to see an R/TVMA/NC17 program by myself at any establishments. At 17 I will be seeing my first mature films, first horror movie etc, in theatres without an adult present. Now think about if, hypothetically, at 17 I caught feelings for a 20 year old. Again, at 20 you are almost deemed mature enough to consume a highly addictive mind altering chemical. You are almost mature enough to book your own hotel room, Airbnb etc. You have been seeing gorey sexy movies (by yourself) for three years now. You have been trusted with actual human lives driving by yourself for four years. I hope you see what I'm getting at. That 20 year old 17 year old me wants to date? They have more life experience. They have had to make more serious decisions than me. They are *better* at making decisions than I am. For all intents and purposes, they are "smarter" than me. If you don't get that 17 year olds shouldn't date 20 year olds... ugh, think about it this way. If I'm 17 hanging out with a group of 21 year olds and they are drinking booze? Yeah, it'd be fucked up and illegal for them to let me drink booze too. It's up to them to BABYSIT me and watch what I'm putting in my body. If they are supposed to stop me from doing drugs (alcohol, cigarettes etc), well then they're supposed to stop me from having sex too. Same goes for a 20 year old. If they're the only one that sees me take a beer from the fridge (even though they can't drink either) it's up to them to *once again BABYSIT* me. It's up to them to say "what are you doing? Put it back". So, it should be up to them to tell me I can't do sexual things either- just like I can't put certain chemicals in my body. I know that in my state I could legally do sexual things at 17. That doesn't make it right for me to do those with someone that OBVIOUSLY knows better than I do (someone older). Especially when you realize the second someone tries to film a 17 year old doing what they're "legally allowed to do" it's a crime. A felony, which if you don't know means prison not jail. I.e you'll be locked up with other felons, maybe even murderers. Tldr: 18 and 15 IS a huge age gap, but 20 and 23 is not.

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

@@ilikebigboysonly8456 Man I don't give a shit what the govt says, noone considers an 18 year old to be an adult. Not defending him to be clear. I actually had a family member do similar things at a similar age and he was a little pervert too. Idk I feel like if my hypothetical daughter were in a relationship with a 3 year age gap I'd feel the need to evaluate the person she was interested in first before I'd put a stop to it.

[@ilikebigboysonly8456]

@@OMalleyTheMaggot As someone's daughter I can tell you that while she may hate your guts, scream and holler how much you're ruining her life, she will thank you for *not evaluating the person* after all is said and done *when and only when* she has entered womanhood. Which I agree with you- won't be the second she turns 18. Where do you draw the line? 14 and 17? 13 and 16? Why make it so fine, so easily crossed, when you could plain and simple reject the Romeo and Julliette laws until they aren't even applicable anymore? Sons and daughters have all the time in the world to explore their sexuality. A fifteen year old boy or girl does not need to be buddy buddy with an eighteen year old boy or girl. I was a kid that was sexually abused at a young age, we're talking barely pubescent. I was a kid that for the life of me could not understand why my parents rejected my girlfriend, my boyfriends, when I knew they knew I had already lost my innocence in their own home from their own adult son. (I was adopted, by family so the son was still related but our "mother" had him in the late 70s) It made me furious, it didn't stop me from continuing to have sex far too young, it didn't undo the damage that had been done. I still resent them for how they treated me and how they treat their pedophile son. I still have major issues. But goddammit would I be so much worse had I been allowed to have half the sex I wanted to at 12, 13, 14, 15, yes even at 16, 17, 18, 19, and to this day do they make it clear I'd better not fuck in their house. Don't get to know some person two or three grades above your child daughter. Tell them to fuck right on off, straight to the next unfortunate girl they'll undoubtedly set their sights on. Likely the same *week* they had their sights on her. Same goes for your son, boys need to be protected too. I personally know one that was abused by an older female, it happens and no they are not "lucky to get a chance with a woman" like some absolute idiots say with that shit eating grin on their face. I guarantee you they will look back on it, with that beer they're legally allowed to drink in hand, and they will tell you they dodged a fucking bullet- thanks for pushing them out of the way.

[@BushBumperBaker]

@@ilikebigboysonly8456 Who would give you "heat" for an age gap in your 20's? x'D what

[@BushBumperBaker]

@@ilikebigboysonly8456 You know most countries legal ages are 15/16, right? Also, most countries allow alcohol at 14 or so. America infantilises its teens and its problematic.

[@randomknight2585]

I’m just impressed that you were able to read the texts out loud like that without vomiting from disgust. Bravo

[@danielshore1457]

I'm surprised he was able to say, "artist harem" without laughing his ass off

[@touchgrass7129]

Tarhead starting his condemnation with "I don't think John Bob is a monster" is honestly excellent foreshadowing from the universe, like he's forcing himself to be angry but needs to make some gesture, throw himself one more premature rope since he knows what's about to happen

[@제길-l7n]

Tarhead when he’s proven to be a groomer: ok. Tarhead when leafy won’t read his apology: 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 fine I guess I’ll just leave!!!!! 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@daigocore2906]

LMAOO THAT PAT WAS SO FUNNY THO OMGMGRJH

[@ponikoTV]

True

[@sberky98]

me when papi leafy wont read my apology: (sob)

[@YowLife]

1:48 Well I wouldn't consider 7.1k subscribers to be "little attention". It's still a big accomplishment.

[@zuazz]

Oh hey Yowlife! Fancy seeing you here! (Subscriber since like 2017 or 2018)

[@OrcaTheDorka]

AaaaAaAa it's u

[@Tanwolly]

7,000 subs is literally nothing. That's the very definition of "little attention" by today's standards. 😂😂😂

[@Scanner3D2003]

i see you everywhere dude

[@mr.delirium5854]

I'm starting to see you everywhere as well

[@locochavo4560]

The moral of story: Don't force people to like you and check yourself before you wreck yourself

[@trshbgs]

that and keep it in your pants

[@locochavo4560]

@@trshbgs Exactly

[@locochavo4560]

@@khalaphobos7903 Idk who that is but it seems like that will be their fate based on your description

[@trshbgs]

@@khalaphobos7903 turn it into a shirt

[@fdsdfsfds698]

@@khalaphobos7903 man I just know that person cause they caused a pal of mine some drama regarding a freekin Bunny character

[@cottontaelle]

thank you for making this video an extremely reasonable 20 minutes instead of unnecessarily stretching it to an hour like people do so often on youtube!!!

[@caringheart34]

Fr, they go into unnecessary, unimportant details to extend to that sweet sweet 1 hour

[@RacingSnails64]

Never heard of this guy, but everything about him SCREAMS groomer. The shitty simple "innocent" artstyle that incidentally includes exaggerated female thighs, the mismanagement and basically theft of others' characters... The sexual tweets are like what Shane Dawson does, playing off Freudian Slips as "edgy/offensive/mature" humor. I call them Freudian Slaps. It's not even being hidden.

[@quaker47]

I see way too many artstyles that are "innocent" and have exaggerated female parts on twitter

[@zxvc849]

to be fair have no idea why u guys think the artstyle is " "innocent" "

[@jasminesantana14]

His character was a fishing hook for a child he knew what he was doing and who he wanted to get attention from

[@zeophalanx1751]

@Higgs Bonbon I agree! All that I've heard has been negative things about the impact the internet has on mental health, especially children.

[@muntu1221]

@Eli gumpot Simple, recognizable, expressive mascots that embody the creator have been a thing since animation began.

[@ashrielthewitch9934]

POV: You find yourself here after the Carson allegations.

[@Totally_not-TheSameDude]

yep ;(

[@geckoboy5050]

No beccause youtube wont stop showing me this video, but ive seen this guy on a BrodyAnimates video.

[@bubalackgaming8892]

What allegations? I'm out of the loop

[@leoa.5084]

@@bubalackgaming8892 grooming allegations 😬

[@nyawndere]

nope

[@nicknack124]

5:26 Callmecarson in a video about a twitter groomer, just a few days before "the big yikes". Damn, you on some Simpsons shit

[@professorlayman523]

At least Carson isn’t as bad as John Bob (As far as we know)

[@nicknack124]

@@professorlayman523 I know that. It was just a funny coincidence

[@professorlayman523]

@Henlono I know. It’s the wombo combo of Twitter and keemstar that has exploded this situation

[@nicknack124]

@Henlono are u saying im acting like that too?

[@nicknack124]

@Henlono good

[@NuclearNecro]

the tarhead thing hit me extra hard, since i was on somewhat alright terms with him, even getting free art from him out of absolutely nowhere it truly disgusted me learning about what he did, as i learned it at the same time as everyone else, to the point that i deleted the piece of art he drew for me a truly saddening situation, and learning more about the context of everything made me feel even more sickened

[@bluecoin3771]

AVGN: “If you haven’t heard of this, you may think you’re living under a rock 🪨, but let me tell you, it’s a rock worth living under”.

[@7_8_9]

absolute wise lad

[@rainysunday9664]

das tru

[@bigdoggo5827]

The fucking nerd is a good lad that you can look forward to.

[@Linkonpark100]

Which episode was that again?

[@EggEnjoyer]

@@7_8_9 “Imagjne you’re in a pool full of piss. And someone’s coming at you with a bucket of shit. Do you go under and take on the piss or stay above and take on the shit?” Yes, the nerd is very wise indeed

[@BabbyGGGgG]

Nobody talking about the badass intro? Like genuienly I was *instantly* interested after the strange Bojack Horseman theme remix started playing. Awesome editing all around.

[@aidan7913]

^

[@jellynut5903]

It was pretty good

[@hildahilda9468]

@@browniecinco very corny.....lol

[@BabbyGGGgG]

@@browniecinco yeah I might be biast because I love Bojack Horseman the show but still

[@BabbyGGGgG]

@@hildahilda9468 It wasn't that corny.. but kinda yeah I can see that. Still love it tho

[@StaryExtra]

2020 was Wild. First it was Cryoatic who outed himself as a groomer, a backstabber, and a friend abuser ever since he got his pills that clear his head which made him confess and tore his entire friend circle and community, now we also have another small niche group that had a backbone held by another groomer which upon outing themselves, destroyed their own community.

[@sberky98]

CRYOATIC DID WHAT

[@TheSutanian]

I like that one of the videos I watched on Cry was the CreepShowArt video, which is a nice contrast with 2021.

[@demake_art]

I was devasted when I first learned the news about Cry. Knowing that my former favourite KZbinr turned out to be such a horrible person was heartbreaking. You really can't trust anyone online.

[@jupiter9099]

Didn't the Smash community also implode with outed groomers that year?

[@DatOneCat]

@@sberky98 Yeah. It was quite a surprise too. I only noticed him start upload some very cryptic shit that made me raise an eyebrow. As it wasn't his usual stream announcement videos or gameplay vids. When I watched it, I got even more confused as to what was going on. It was only until a bit later and news broke out with people having more research done and compiled into a video that I saw the full picture. I feel extremely sorry for Russ throughout that situation. Poor guy got the short end of the stick in all of this..

[@higbeeproductions2340]

The moral of the story is be careful who you trust online

[@gobscave]

1:06 my meme made it, I've peaked as a content creator

[@wonderwaffle93]

oi

[@Ponk1]

The lad

[@AyyHotDogS]

legend

[@mediocremuffin6770]

Cool

[@thecommie9992]

This is a masterpiece

[@whataattsfdg]

That bojack horseman intro was genius. Literal chills.

[@moli2454]

agreed

[@cuterblueloveuwulilathepig3556]

Yes

[@MrJoo-zc5cd]

Didn't expect the intro to be here!

[@rolanroran]

fr

[@dollblooms]

as a survivor of grooming and online sexual abuse, thank you so much for making this video. spreading our stories and making them make sense to the average everyman like this is so, so important, and i appreciate your perspective and support of survivors.

[@alexwillkie1940]

I'm so sorry that happened to you, please know that you're not alone and that there's people who'll support you. I hope you are be okay. I don't know what else to say besides that.

[@dollblooms]

@chris b wat

[@dollblooms]

@chris b well i could explain how it’s more complicated than that, especially for people being abused or overly sheltered at home, but it sounds like you’ve already made up your mind and given yourself a pass to be a shithead, so far be it from me to get in the way of your self-righteousness. clearly you need it more than kindness and understanding. and, like. a brain.

[@dollblooms]

@@vetrurrrr you’re not very bright, are you?

[@beepboopily6285]

what part do these people not understand about GROOMING. You're literally unaware it's happening to you when it happens. Sometimes people don't realise after it happens to them at all! Because it's slowly manipulating and abusing a person. I've also come very close to being groomed before (dude was like 22 while I was 13, just ew) I'm sorry that happened to you and fuck the idiots in the replies telling you to just log off or close your laptop.

[@ruler_of_everything]

14:15 fellas, we have done it. being the groomer now makes you the victim.

[@rebble_rouser9959]

Bro I saw this go down on twitter shit was wild lol

[@danthezan6455]

Same it hurt but its some how feels strange

[@mossyartburger5400]

Yeah... it was a big yikers moment thats for sure

[@MrSwaggington]

Inkplasm is still out there...

[@burritomaster6000]

Same

[@Matthew-ls7rv]

@@MrSwaggington what did that guy do?

[@BobDoleTrasher]

Friends with Carson holy shit. Can you imagine the sheer number of groomers in these 'artist circles'

[@BBWahoo]

That's why I'm always avoidant, I can't keep myself sane knowing there are people that have done things...like cosmodore.

[@masonhughes_big]

carson didn't groom anyone, 19 and 17 is legal

[@BBWahoo]

@@masonhughes_big Yeah but the controversy is him asking for nudes, which is ILLEGAL, that and him being a monolithic content powerhouse, so big big power imbalance, but that part isn't illegal but can still be seen as giving him an advantage, which he used for eeeeeeviiiilllll.

[@masonhughes_big]

@@BBWahoo age of consent for their state is 16

[@masonhughes_big]

@@BBWahoo it is wrong but nothing illegal and nothing that should cause his 11 year old fans to turn on him immeadiately

[@pjFrixMediaArchive]

honestly never met the guy but my god something in his art kinda irked me

[@Armadill0h]

Right??

[@denniszetstkiman]

it reminds me of shmorky’s style which just really unsettles me

[@rockhistoria2537]

@@denniszetstkiman who is shmorky?

[@tvfhwd]

Ikr I really hated his voice too

[@dustydudle880]

@@rockhistoria2537 Diaper shitting enthusiast. Used to be a famous animator like most of these stories go.

[@-Jest3r-]

This has been all over my rec and wont leave me alone

[@electrocat07]

"sorry won't happen again" *Draws nsfw art of the person's oc* What kind of shit is this????

[@CuriousOfficial]

It's like they're great at playing as imposters.

[@cooperwright9515]

@@CuriousOfficial amogus

[@pummelweed784]

I’m getting really sick of talented people turning into pieces of trash

[@jaden_bricker]

Talented?

[@joy4084]

Don't worry, there's always going to be talented people that are also good! (or not predators or some kind of monster) and in the case of artists, a lot of them complain that because of the algoritm they cant reach to a lot of people so in a situation like this, is the perfect moment for looking at new artist that haven't hit the spotlight!

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

Well, being revealed as always being trash.

[@americantoastman7296]

Not turning into - being revealed to always have been.

[@kittyem63]

I’m part of a non toxic art community in twitter, trust me it exists.

[@sushipop7658]

Seeing this kind of stuff tarnish twitter art communities is horrible and it really gives everyone else a bad look when others do horrible things in the community. My heart goes out to the people hurt by this, nobody should have to deal with that.

[@sushipop7658]

It’s even worse because I know some of the people mentioned in this video- this kind of shit hurts people and the people around them. It’s horrible

[@nicklewry3854]

It doesn’t tarnish the community at all, because rational people don’t judge entire communities on the actions of individuals

[@AffyMoon]

@@nicklewry3854 true, but the problem is, many people aren't rational, and those also usually end up being the most vocal, which cause that irrationality to spread. Which means in the end it does end up tarnishing the community. Which is depressing

[@jellyfarmer313]

The comfort of a laugh track fits so perfectly with the ending. The song starting slowly with hopeful but down pacing and lyrics, and by the end we have this explosion of sound. Seemingly the fallout of all the actions set before it, to hear it in the credits with John’s God forsaken face i the background truly is enveloped the entirety of this awful situation. Amazing job on the video, I feel safer knowing.

[@dogcatcatdog3228]

Adults need to make the effort to explain this to children. About how people can be really creepy and how they shouldn’t answer dms from people they don’t know famous or not

[@zacharyhentze64]

Or just not let them have these things to begin with

[@durratulaishah3703]

@@zacharyhentze64 explain how the bad the Twitter is because it is full of creepy people and then just told them not to use Twitter. (Also always check their activity on the Internet)

[@neojenshi4055]

im starting to learn alot of these kids are spefically targeted not because of their age but because of their mental state hell even at 11 i still know when to stay away.

[@SunsetSullivan]

I have no idea if kids these days are just not being taught how to properly set up boundaries for themselves online or what, but it feels like these grooming allegations happen every other month. Never share images of yourself online with people you don't know in real life, don't use your full name in any interactions, and stay the hell away from any sexually oriented discussion from people of any age until you're well over the age of consent. Twitter mutuals are not your friends!

[@bensadfleck9972]

Most Kids these days are now growing up on the internet unsupervised

[@StarryOak76]

Yeah, I was 12-13 in like, 2012 when I first got onto a non moderated website (so, like, off neopets and shit) and I... never had these kind of issues with groomers and whatnot, and I was never supervised properly even, but I knew well enough to not let people know what I looked like or sexual things and I... don’t understand how someone could put their face online for anyone to see and feel comfortable with it. I don’t and never did let anyone, even parents, unconnected entirely to my accounts, post pictures of me either. I can only think of a few pictures of myself that exist online at all and I don’t know why that’s not standard.

[@gloriac.2795]

Kid are all over Twitter despite it being 18+. It’s super easy unfortunately to be where you shouldn’t. and I would also argue that grooming is actually becoming less normalized, which creates the impression that it is becoming more prominent. many of my parents generation met when one was an underage teen and the other was 7+ years older, and they became involved around that age too. I’m glad people actually know the word groomer now at least.

[@meepmoop2308]

kids usually dont get taught about boundaries, period. your parents will force you to kiss your relatives(sometimes even non-relatives), if another kid hits you its just because they like you. etc.

[@gloriac.2795]

@@meepmoop2308 facts! boundaries and grooming need a dedicated class period during sex ed

[@EmilXOM]

This is why I have a hard time vibing with twitter people ngl. Sometimes I'd just rather not take the chance, even if all my art friends know a certain person. If you live by the clout, you're gonna die by the clout.

[@synthavision]

Twitter artists are a whole another breed of artists honestly. Never again.

[@doomergoat]

The mention of Carson just hits different now.

[@valorthefox]

It really does man...

[@sky3_ow]

I am kinda out of the loop, what happened?

[@robinwangai3303]

What do you mean?

[@4gntm0th-alt]

@@sky3_ow basically he got outed for manipulating his friends and for allegedly grooming a 17 even though he was 19 at the time

[@hayoonpark7454]

@@4gntm0th-alt You mean it’s true.

[@rottenhamme]

"age is just a number" "know what else is a number?" "what?" "9 1 FREAKING 1"

[@geegoflex6762]

9mm is just two letters and 1 number

[@mewyorkcityf46607]

@@geegoflex6762 M1911 is just some numbers and a letter

[@XwX1001]

And hell is just a place!

[@chocky0]

@@XwX1001 hmm true

[@dachillknight6918]

Kids, when a stranger is Weird to you on discord, I t s n e r f o r n o t h I n g

[@RhiBread]

holy shit thank you for mentioning the old stuff too, especially the "mine" art at 3:06. i was actually in that friend group at the time so it was quite the shock to see that art. i've already said a lot in the comments of goose boose's video, being a former friend of john's. you know what was pretty messed up in a way? he already had a decent sized friend group, with a bunch of smaller artists. i remember when he started drawing the twitter artists with bigger followings, and once he became friends with them, i noticed that he didn't talk to any of us as much. he craved the validation that the bigger artists would give him, so i guess that's one reason why he didn't particularly care for the friends that he had a longer time. because in comparison to those guys on twitter, we were small potatoes, and we wouldn't get him the engagement he wanted so bad. it had hurt at the time cause we knew each other for 4 years, and i stayed friends cause i was expecting him to change for the better and mature. that... didn't really seem to happen at all. but what he did do well was getting groups of people together to be friends, and a good amount of the people i knew in 2016-2017 are still my friends or im still acquainted with. the other friend group, the one from 2019 to when he exposed himself, we're all still friends too. thanks for this video. there's was a ton of other stuff i knew about him and the past, and how it really shows that he didn't really change much from when i first met him. once again that's in a comment i made on goose boose's video, and i don't really feel like reposting it here as the comment and the replies do a good job of explaining stuff.

[@RhiBread]

as a small aside about the video, it would've been a good idea to get in touch with those who were friends with him at the time, and to do a little more research and go more in depth on certain topics. other than that it was a decent abridged version of what happened. good luck on your future projects, and dont be afraid to dive deeper and ask people for permission to use their work going forward!

[@caleberry4532]

dude i completely forgot about the ‘mine’ art until i watched this video. looking back at it is scary and unnerving stuff to be honest. seeing his art of my old character kinda makes me feel a bit nauseous haha its weird how theres a whole section of his early friends thats been completely missed here, though, that the only mention of us is that picture.

[@RhiBread]

@@caleberry4532 YEAH FR!!! even back then i was a bit weirded out by the picture but i didnt say anything and thats so true, i feel like if people knew what happened back then they'd realize that in hindsight he really didn't change much

[@caleberry4532]

@@RhiBread he barely changed at all, you know how he got into a. a real gross relationship in hindsight when he was with us it makes me sick thinking about it now

[@scoobusmaximusiii]

"exposed himself" I took that the wrong way ._.

[@alexv3372]

3 years later It’s still impactful

[@MineralGarbage]

kinda funny how "close friends" of his like Snappy Eagle tried to throw shade at NSFW artists for being groomers when he literally accepts fan art of his underage fans drawing him under wear edits of crash bandicoot. The sfw art community is so weird with its uwu soft boi persona and they shade nsfw artists with being open with our degeneracy and then end up being exposed for allowing kids into they space and being inappropriate

[@siphonix924]

Hi minty

[@TheGodofdrawing]

I've come to see that most NSFW artists are strangely a lot more honest than the sfw "soft artists." Not to say all of them are bad, though ever since John Bob and Commodore though my perception on them isn't exactly the greatest.

[@fenrirsrage4609]

It's kind of amazing how sometimes the Horny community seems a lot better compared to other communities especially the more puritan ones.

[@k4x1rda41]

NSFW community is great its kinda crazy

[@PigOnASkewer]

Still, I wouldn't put to much light on the NSFW community.