The Film That Could Send Marilyn Manson to Prison

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[@wishingb5859]

The actress from Groupie has come on the record saying that she was not a minor, was not abused and in spite of rumors to the contrary, is not dead. Manson's sense of humor may have confused them. But Walters was mad at him for firing her after she got drunk and stole his fancy car and totalled it.

[@terrieosborne3907]

Vetting your sources BEFORE you post a video. This has already been proven false as the actress is alive and well and was off she and a willing participant. Furthermore, she found the film fun and they really hammed it up

[@bernievidz]

@@terrieosborne3907it’s embarrassing how many people are trying to correct a video they haven’t watched. all of this information is present, including the interview.

[@wishingb5859]

@@terrieosborne3907 Actually, if you watch this video the whole way, you will find out that your information is in there already.

[@terrieosborne3907]

@@wishingb5859 I ended up doing that and then couldn’t find my original comment to remove it 🙄. That’s what I get for working a 12 hour shift and then getting caught up in click bait 😵‍💫. I can’t believe that more people can’t figure out they are lying about so much. It makes me sad and angry that women are doing this and there seems to be no repercussions. The FBI letter alone shows ERWs character. The Groupie video took internet sleuths about half an hour to debunk. The fake photos, how can anyone believe any of it is beyond me 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@DarkWestern]

Somehow Andy Dick manages to inject himself into every controversy imaginable.

[@RadikAlice]

His surname well and truly suits him

[@ryanjavierortega8513]

I was randomly watching some Star Trek episode in order to get interested in the show, and Andy dick was in it, so he is everywhere

[@nicksanders9148]

oh no, its drunk Andy!~joe rogan

[@roninworks3497]

He can sense when there's about to be a shit show anywhere in 500 miles, and he just shows up there.

[@joanncaribbeanfan4505]

@@roninworks3497 underrated

[@radracing3370]

"A goth girl with black hair and weird bangs" that narrows it down

[@jackofallgods7764]

Calm down please. I’m looking as hard as I can but the warehouse I’m holding them in is getting crowded

[@kinnicksackman6237]

@@jackofallgods7764it’s crazy this video is this old and I still find fresh comments

[@man.actual]

I need a goth girl with black hair and weird bangs

[@bl0odytuness415]

⁠@@man.actualtip: learn her favorite bands, if you’re dating a girl that is actually goth and listens to the genre then you should do research on bands like Bauhaus, Kentucky Vampires, Souxie and the Banshees, The Cure, Soft Cell, Sisters of Mercy which is my personal favorite goth band. Most of them take on more 80’s-esc styles because they were made in the 80’s and based off of it mostly unless they are a different type of goth like a Victorian goth. But for the most part that’s what the 80’s goth community is, trad makeup was also very popular in the 80’s, try complementing a goths makeup, I’m sure they would be really flattered that someone took the time to appreciate their art, and also remember that if someone is goth, they can also listen to different genres like grunge, deathcore, classic rock, etc., they also may dress in different styles, you never have to stick to one music style or fashion, style in music and fashion is a fluid concept and it’s purely based off of what you gravitate towards, so just be your most authentic self and support people who also may be different, for example if you prefer to dress more casual it doesn’t mean you can’t be with someone who is different or goth

[@rockymtnboi1158]

That’s so hot

[@zachariahpoltergeist4516]

The most disturbing part of this whole video is finding out Andy Dick has kids.

[@bellautopia818]

If you ever decide to rob a bank ....p o l t e r h e i s t 🤔🤔🧠💨 😋😉🤘 🫂🫀🩺♾️ 💋🤌💥 💜☠️🧚🏻‍♀️🦔🦩

[@oaklandmade007]

I pray they all look like their moms🙏🙏🙏

[@LegalesePodcast]

I'm just impressed someone that gay could stomach the experience of knocking up some woman... On second thought I suppose his stomaching heterosexual sex was helped a great deal by his complete lack of a gag reflex...

[@RiverSprite30]

Yeah. I thought the same. Do these people not realize that one day their kids are gonna grow up and see this garbage??? It's going to make their children completely lose all respect for their parents, cause them to act out, and then repeat the process but even worse due to a collapsing society around them. 'Merica...

[@zachariahpoltergeist4516]

@@RiverSprite30 Andy Dick is not known for his incredible forethought.

[@Jaymic]

If you told someone 20 years ago you talked to Andy Dick, it would be impressive. Now in 2022, I absolutely don't doubt that anyone could just hit him up because he's so desperate for attention.

[@raynehell1217]

Andy Dick was sentenced to 90 days in Los Angeles County jail, then 12 months of summary probation, must register as a sex offender, pay restitution to the victim, complete 52 Alcoholics Anonymous sessions, 52 sexual compulsion anonymous sessions, and 12 counseling sessions. Dick’s history of assault allegations stretch back several decades

[@MickMcGarnackle]

Word. If someone told me that they talked to Andy Dick nowadays, I'd tell them to shower twice and get tested.

[@flightofthebumblebee9529]

How do I contact him?

[@raynehell1217]

@@flightofthebumblebee9529 kiss ass

[@flightofthebumblebee9529]

@@raynehell1217 your mom

[@mattm.992]

can't believe you sent Andy Dick on a "dark web" hunt lmao. great video

[@najadamu2724]

I doubt it'd be the first time for him lol

[@FredHerbert999]

He will never find it lol

[@crystal25288]

He can't remember 🤣 wtf ever

[@joanncaribbeanfan4505]

Didn't he something about ( paraphrased) " I bet it's on that dark web that my kids are always on". 🤣 Personally I think he was playing the role of an out of touch dad.

[@hayleywhelan3243]

He's telling porkies and it's like he's dien 2 burst out laughing

[@jasperhalco871]

The myth and shock surrounding this Groupie video is just another example of how Brian Warner/Marilyn manson lives to troll people.. Think about it : Tell everyone you made a horrible shocking video but don't go into detail so they have to use their imagination and think the worst . This is how he built his fame from day one - he understood the power of spreading rumours and myth about the band to spread fear and controversy . Before doing music he used to be a journalist so he understands how to sell a story to people, how sensationalism works, and how shock and repulsion will always attract attention. 20 years later and everyone's still falling for it!

[@Sanoss457]

*The good ending*

[@denisek292]

I came across this video by accident. Watched it out of curiosity, even though I find him extremely offensive and creepy. Making, or even bragging about a film so violent, is troubling. Honestly, I have a pit in my stomach now.

[@denisek292]

@BlazingBlackness The FBI is investigating him for this VHS tape, that he kept hidden. Did you not watch the entire video? You’re mistaking horror movies with snuff films. Big difference!

[@Grubbydub]

@Scott Crawford you obviously do not know anything about marilyn manson.

[@Grubbydub]

@Scott Crawford please go ahead and explain to me how he’s a sick fuck

[@pauleiwalsh]

I met Marilyn Manson around 8 times between 94 and 97 , one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met. It was beyond freezing in Allentown pa outside stars nightclub and instead of having us wait outside to meet him , he invited us all on the bus for photos. There wasn’t an ounce of sketch in it.

[@rockidove]

A reminder: a large majority of abusers (parents, partners, leaders) are people who are deeply adored in public.

[@yeshuas_follower]

I agree, I've watched so much about this guy and uts a fake persona. You can make stuff look like something but its just staged,its not real.

[@martinezperez4908]

You're also a dude...

[@pauleiwalsh]

@@martinezperez4908 and????

[@rockidove]

@@martinezperez4908 I’m a female. This has nothing to do with gender. Both Paul and I both make completely opposite but valid points. Are you really so narrow minded by assuming he is wrong simply because he is male? He and I both made a valid point/opinion, neither of us are wrong.

[@TJThomas116]

fucking lol that Andy Dick of all people is one of the only people to have seen this tape

[@berserkmangareadingproject1386]

I wouldnt be surprised if this was tj kirks sock account

[@zakohat365]

Dude got ghosted by Marilyn Manson 😭😭😭😭

[@user-vw4xp5nt9f]

im so fucking stupid why do i keep confusing marylin manson and marylin monroe

[@xanosghoul]

His name was actually a portmanteau of Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson

[@WobblesandBean]

You're not stupid. Would it make you feel better if I told you I regularly confused Al Bundy of "Married With Children" with Ted Bundy?

[@raynehell1217]

@@WobblesandBean How stupid

[@raynehell1217]

Yeah, don't you know that Manson's a natural blonde while Monroe was a bleached blonde?

[@fffrrraannkk]

@@WobblesandBean I still get those 2 mixed up and it's been 30-ish years.

[@korie4198]

I think that people also forget that "snuff" films were a hit topic at this time. Remember 8mm with Nicolas Cage and Joaquin Phoenix? People were literally post videos if people dying as the were run over or beaten to death. Everyone I knew had watched at least 1 bootleg copy of faces of death. Generation X was wild. Even Dee Snider released a body horror movie called Strangeland. It's funny to me that people take this seriously and shocking.

[@matturner6890]

Faces of Death was completely fake so that's not really a big deal.

[@dansorrap8713]

That’s not the point, the point is this type of subject matter (fake or real) was brought more to mainstream.

[@sinnsage]

8 mm came out a year after dead to the world

[@youneedpeoplelikeme5376]

​@@matturner6890That's not true. That political figure who was at the podium & blew his head off was 100% real-May he rest in peace. That's not my type of thing but this girl put that tape in & I saw something I NEVER wanted to see & still remember over 25 years later. She kept telling me 'you need to see this part-jist watch this part.....I kept turning away-begging her to turn it off-Somehow I remember catching a glimpse of something with a pig & something where a guy put a nail into his private part. That stuff was real-I don't know how that tape is legal. Don't go looking for it-It's stuff that should not be watched for entertainment & something that will stay in your mind & deeply bother you if have empathy & are pretty normal. By the way 'Hey Man Nice Shot by Filter is about that first part I mentioned & I just found that out in last few months & as I heard them saying it was about this guy being accused of stealing money & then during the press conference he did what I said & it was live on the news.....I thought-'Is that that terrible thing I saw on Traces of Death all those years ago..... Sure enough it was Also I never hung out with that girl again

[@matturner6890]

@@youneedpeoplelikeme5376 buddy I'm sorry but I can't even get through that comment, your grammar & punctuation are insane.

[@MegaReacts]

Sounds like the usual 90's edge lord shock video.

[@l.salisbury1253]

I remember in the late 90s Marilyn Manson thriving on all this negative publicity. Yet, not too many years earlier there were four infamous figures in the rock n roll underground who were far more extreme yet didn't get half the attention: Eldon "El Duce" Hoke (the Mentors), Ian Stuart (Skrewdriver), GG Allin and Varg Vikernes (Burzum). Compared to any one of these acts Marylin could play a Sunday School picnic!

[@scherryvalentine9673]

It all began with Genesis P Orridge and Psychic TV in the early 70’s, I think.

[@NefariousSpineLizard]

​@@scherryvalentine9673 What? How does Genesis play into this whatsoever?

[@scherryvalentine9673]

@@NefariousSpineLizard Well the post refers to GG Alin and others as being more extreme than MM. Genesis was the first. Have you seen the old Psychic TV videos that they made? Makes all of them look like school boys in my opinion. More psychologically deviant and disturbing. GG just threw tantrums and had no talent.

[@notoriousgoblin83]

Varg was a batshit insane neo Nazi murderer and somehow people still act as if the genre he influenced is superior to all other heavy metal.

[@Th3Raz96]

@@scherryvalentine9673 I'm intrigued, never heard of them before I'm gonna look into it Do you have any specific titles I should look for?

[@petarkojic3567]

No joke, found your channel like an hour ago and have been binging your videos so the fact that you just uploaded a video is the closest i will ever come to believing in fate.

[@meylinlibertaskeef3346]

Thanks!!!😁

[@Jay22222]

I do that nearly every time there’s an upload. (And sometimes when there isn’t.)

[@WobblesandBean]

He deserves WAY more subs, it's nice to find a channel before it gets big.

[@orxy5316]

You better believe in it, you are just a pawn to fate, might as well settle in. You are not escaping it by rejecting it, just setting yourself up for disappointment when you realize that there is no escaping it. The past and the events and actions that happened in it have already decided the present and the future, just enjoy the ride.

[@Akunai_]

@@meylinlibertaskeef3346 who are you

[@zachariahpoltergeist4516]

"I hate to see a friend getting dragged by the media like this" He made a fake snuff film. What did she think the reaction was gonna be?

[@joem527]

Fake is the key word there really, he did something no worse than the creators of Saw or August Underground did and August Underground is some really fucked up shit but at the end of the day it’s nothing but a movie with paid actors that probably got something to eat afterwards

[@WhatisReal11]

@@joem527 fake.. yet accused by real people of doing real similar things

[@joem527]

@@WhatisReal11 this isolated incident is blow extremely out of proportion but if there is other situations where he was being weird I don’t know

[@ponyboy421.]

but why would the FBI want a edgy art film so bad?

[@QuakeGamerROTMG]

@@ponyboy421. Because that's what happens when you sue someone and make official legal statements saying that somebody showed you video of them raping and murdering a teenager Fun fact, law enforcement need to take that stuff seriously

[@Otis_.]

Can’t believe the guy who made the Food Pyramid song was behind Groupie.

[@liammcnicholas918]

JFK was right, he is a scary white guy

[@YourMomsFavoriteCommenter]

The Food Pyramid is a lie, so I believe it.

[@liammcnicholas918]

@@YourMomsFavoriteCommenter It's a plate now

[@WhatisReal11]

the church of satan is Hollywood

[@Lilacrosepetalleaf]

😂😂

[@boombap6007]

Andy Dick looks like he remembers the video very well, but does not want to be dragged into it. But "the dark web" comment seems like a suggestion that its contents are indeed criminal.

[@JamesStewart-xz9cp]

From the comments I read, I can tell no one actually paused the video to fully read the transcripts this video includes. Groupie was clearly a professional production.

[@RebeccaO619]

What’s interesting about this whole Groupie video is what an urban legend it is. So much talk over one video that’s never seen the light of day publicly. If there’s nothing illegal about it, I think M should just release it….unless…

[@raynehell1217]

Maybe, if he's able, he will, once these cases are over

[@yourassasin8844]

The urban legends that cropped up around this guy is insane, like he had his bottom ribs removed so he can give himself head. He did such a good job with his gimmick it was the only real information about him. Then columbine happened and not long after that he was just a shock rocker, I guess everyone was done pretending the gimmick was real.

[@ajterra2047]

@@yourassasin8844 the funny thing is that same "legend" has been attributed to Cher, Alice Cooper, Sting, Prince, and Gene Simmons (or maybe someone else in KISS), as if there is some Island of Dr. Moreau where all even slightly freaky-deeky musicians go to have their bottom ribs removed so they can, em, perform a solo.

[@dr.cheeks3589]

I remember Manson saying in an interview that him and Jonathan Davis videotape a girl being slap in the face (all with consent of her of course) and drinking the Urine of Manson and Andy Dick. And all the tie and beating of some of his fans was on an audiotape, Manson and a roadie of the band (According to Manson) call some Groupie to one backroom and start doing some type of S&M session with one willing participant ( usually women). Maybe those 2 storyes ( and some rumors from that time) mix in to make this "Legend of the evil deeds of Manson"

[@geehadarillo1]

Reminds me of the Poughkeepsie tapes.

[@themarilynmansoncases]

Great work especially the link with the NIN video. Since a lot of people do not know about the controversy as it relates to the 90's nostalgia.

[@Barkii]

this is the PERFECT topic for your channel, I was fascinated by this piece of lost media for a long time and I've been waiting for a full video on it for a while

[@Shadamyfan-rs8xc]

The girl who was in groupie was an actress named Pola Weiss. She was of age, consented to the project, and was perfectly find. She even later starred in his music video for long hard road out of hell. She did an interview here on KZbin about a year ago if anyone is interested

[@mothballchronic3322]

You didn't watch the video and it shows 🤭

[@kingthief9118]

@@mothballchronic3322 I don't think you did, and it shows...

[@courtney3893]

Where's the vid?

[@Shadamyfan-rs8xc]

@@courtney3893 kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKq7gK18hLyHes0

[@ponyboy421.]

ye ok bud

[@KittyPieVibes]

I have a theory that most ‘disturbing’ horror movies/content is just fetish art for the director and this case makes me even more convinced. Just the fact he makes everyone he knows watch it even when they don’t want to to get their reaction shows he has a weird attachment/ passion for his “project”

[@JamesStewart-xz9cp]

If you get a chance look into the reason and psychology of why Video games came to be. The summary is so people can live out their “imagination” without it becoming real…

[@feralhog6350]

In some cases maybe, but I don't believe forcing someone to sit through something like that can be caused by just a fetish, especially in mansons case. Usually forcing people into distressing or uncomfortable situations is more of a "projecting your trauma onto other people" kind of thing, and given that manson allegedly had a quite traumatic childhood I think that makes more sense in this context

[@Aluenvey]

That would be nearly so weird if it were tamer subject matter and the people watching it wanted to. From context I heard about it, this goes well beyond fetish art.

[@drangc0bex119]

Andy Dick is on the dark web

[@inoshishi8]

What's he doing on there and why? 😳

[@MikeMovesPLK]

😂​@@inoshishi8

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

Has someone got a ladder, or rope or something, to get him out of there?

[@foad1424]

I remember seeing clips of this in the dead to the world vhs I own, it was pretty gnarly but I was so familiar with his work that I wasn’t too shocked. I was entering HS at the time so around 2008, I still have the vhs. Great video btw, just found your channel definitely a new subscriber:)

[@Ikgeloofhetniet]

I still have this and god is in the tv on vhs. I watch it from time to time for good old nostalgia’s sake

[@Skazellino]

@@Ikgeloofhetniet Same here. Fuckin great tapes.

[@MisstressMourtisha]

You lucky fks

[@sinnsage]

honestly love both of these to this day. graduated in 2001

[@JayLatne]

i love your editing so much, you have a really good way of just creating a vibe as stupid as that may sound. another banger as always

[@coctilecrocodile1293]

Pretty cool seeing you here. Love your content

[@thatguyjoe8646]

Imagine just imagine that rob zombie and Marilyn Manson made a movie together

[@ZillMob]

Did they?

[@MacintoshT.Reznor]

Might as well. They both suck.

[@midwestripppa]

What scares me the most is someone actually watched this whole video & walked away with “She should’ve known better.” Like…wtf how about your idols stop acting f**king weird to fans.

[@sludgemouf780]

it isn't a real snuff film. The woman in it has done interviews since the controversy. She dated Manson and this was a film made consensually.

[@sinnsage]

did you watch this video to the end?

[@midwestripppa]

@@sludgemouf780 that indeed eases my worries. Still a lot of weirdies out there

[@theneonchimpchannel9095]

I'd be more interested in the people who were at the party and thought what they were seeing was real. If they just let it happen, then that makes them even worse because they as a group could have overpowered Manson who's a pretty frail person to begin with.

[@denisek292]

Completely agree with you. It’s beyond disturbing…he’s disturbing. Overpower him, and call the police. Otherwise, they’re just as guilty.

[@WhatisReal11]

@@denisek292 you can't agree with the context you aren't following.... the comments is implying if they didn't know, they would have collectively stopped him. This didn't happen. that's what the comment is stating, so you don't agree. But yes this crap is disturbing.

[@denisek292]

@@WhatisReal11 My bad…it’s extremely disturbing, definitely. Manson’s sick for believing a “snuff film” (real or not) would be entertaining. He’s got some serious demons…

[@Lilacrosepetalleaf]

Better not watch any horror movies then.

[@mischagoss3599]

Frail? He’s about 6’5 and bigger than you’d think. I have a pic of me sitting in his lap in 2018 I’m 6’3 in heels and he felt much bigger in person

[@jamescooper1681]

Melora Creager and Julia Kent were definitely on Dead to the World. Not sure about the 3rd name, though she very likely was part of the band Rasputina, as are Melora and Julia. Rasputina was one of the opening acts for Marilyn Manson on his tour in support of his 1996 album Antichrist Superstar. Rasputina appears very briefly on Dead to the World during the performance of " Apple of Sodom " . The 3 ladies appear, on stage behind Manson, wearing white victorian night gowns. They are definitely NOT the 'victim' at the end of the video.

[@cvrator]

I can corroborate.

[@landonwiese6850]

1. Groupie is an art project. Not a snuff film. 2. The actress in groupie said “hey yeah, it was an art project I got paid to do. 3. The video was destroyed nearly two decades ago under the advice of his lawyer.

[@nonyabiz550]

She's lying. Quid pro quo

[@nonyabiz550]

Destroyed when it was legal??????? Yeah 🙄

[@nonyabiz550]

@Samuel Miller She's lying when she recants

[@ViviPestilenz]

@@nonyabiz550 She's still close to Manson and the fans and she is not lying. She also appeared in the 2001 video Long Hard Road Out of Hell.

[@nonyabiz550]

@@ViviPestilenz Yeah, I believe anybody that associates with that scum of the earth 🙄

[@regenerations67]

I've been hearing about this for years, had no idea there was this much history in it.

[@katzvlog5541]

great video! completely true facts. wasn't sure what this was gonna be when i found it but was so glad you told the truth about this. And I still found it very interesting the way you put everything together even tho I already knew about this. Gonna check out some of your other videos

[@MF-R]

I mean, are people surprised that the king of Edgelords would of done a very edgy thing? This is honestly pretty standard for the industrial and shock-rock scenes. Your publicity is highly dependant on public revulsion, which make teens think your cool -- like drugs.

[@dianevanderlinden3480]

Yeah I remember MM and The Spooky Kids from their pre-fame days at the Button South. They walked around with thise kiddie lunchboxes which were rumored to have body parts in them. As ridiculous as that sounds there were people who thought it could be true. I remember MM from then, just a tall odd looking guy who had to do something extreme for attention, as he wasn't some handsome rock star type. He found his niche flipping that on its head. I remember him doing poetry readings and like 6 people showing up.

[@tcrijwanachoudhury]

Facts, the industrial scene was full of this shit, like no one mentions the og edgelord Trent Reznor, the Broken film is srsly fucked up

[@MickMcGarnackle]

The difference here being that Marilyn Manson will never be as cool as drugs

[@phnigra111]

@@tcrijwanachoudhuryis the Trent reznor Broken video viewable?

[@yawnaru]

@@phnigra111 yeah, you can just find it online

[@natatatm]

Here's the thing, regardless of whether the actress knew what she was getting into, Manson still showed that video to people decontextualized from how staged it was in order to incite fear from them and make them believe he could harm them in that same way. That's still abusive, and the video is a testament to the kind of fantasy he could have wanted to make a reality. Can't believe the ppl commenting who think bc the actress was okay with it, it somehow makes it okay to use that video to psychologically abuse others who don't know the context or wouldn't want to consume that level of disturbing media anyways. edit: if people cant tell the difference between watching a horror movie knowing that it's a fantasy and being shown something that you've been lead to believe is a snuff film... well that's really on you and your own stupidity. i am a horror fan. i love that subversive art exists and frequently enjoy it. that fact does not mean i get to disregard the context in which a piece of disturbing media was used to intimidate people. stop with the straw man arguments, it's very tiresome.

[@DARTHMOBIUS]

Manson often had guests whom would express their socio-psychopathy, he would test that with his ‘Groupie Video’, so people pushing ‘buyers remorse’ decades after, nah that’s not abuse, their worries over getting called out on their personal Evil is their psychodrama and they should be called out on their hypocrisy.

[@raynehell1217]

Yeah, it's outrageous that any horror film was ever made, and even worse that they still ake them today! Only violence-free, safe, happy scenes should ever be filmed and shown as entertainment. Every film, TV episode, online video, book, song, etc should be subject to censorship, so only the nicest of sweetest upbeat content is permitted for public consumption

[@carlitosway471]

@Viva Cristo Rey it's crazy though how much like the moral panic Christians you are.

[@bbnnbb789]

On the money 🤑💰💰

[@bigdaddychemster1201]

So are all horror movies abusive fantasies then? Should I be jailed because I bought a friend American Psycho?

[@AshleyWilliams-xq7lj]

Good video but doesn't the title violate the clickbait rule? Because the video cannot and will not send him to prison. No hate to you, it's just annoying how KZbin doesn't enforce rules like this consistently.

[@raynehell1217]

Censorship is and always has been selective, subjective, arbitrary. Expression is open to and reliant on interpretation, so really the guilty party is the interpreter not the creator

[@MacintoshT.Reznor]

​@@raynehell1217no.

[@TranzparentMethods]

Nine Inch Nails did something very similar in 1993 called Broken. It was meant to be shocking as well as completely off kilter. The FBI even looked into the video, as they thought it was a snuff film. It wasn't released until almost 20 years later, granted not an official release.

[@KamenSentaiMetalHero]

You're confusing it with the Down In It music video.

[@TranzparentMethods]

@@KamenSentaiMetalHero I did, my fault.

[@KamenSentaiMetalHero]

@@TranzparentMethods Of course, it's possible that the Broken Movie was partially made in response to the controversy.

[@06mrselfdestruct]

Your wrong, the FBI thought the video for “down in it” was a snuff film, google it

[@myreasonforlife.9511]

I still have that nasty VHS 😅

[@adyorvanderlei4767]

He made this in the 90's and no one actually died everyone is ok and alive. If it was going to send him to prison it would have by now.

[@spiderqueen601]

A scripted horror movie with a paid actress and director can get someone put in prison? Stop it. The actress of Groupie, Pola Weiss, is alive and well and enjoyed the experience and is a witness in his case against ERW.

[@BabbleOn777]

I got to tour with the 1994 NIN/ Jim Rose Circus Sideshow/ Marilyn Manson bandwagon, due to my fiancee being one of the performers. What a ride it was. Sharing a dressing room, hotels and catered meals every single day with these guys was awesome, of course the whole cluster on this tour was, but it was quite the phenomenon...the guest stars, the amount of folks every night in the backstage party antics, to communal breakfasts at the closest Danny's every time the sun rose? I can only say it was a major impact on the life I lead now. Sleepovers and secrets, drunken antics, never having to pay to see them ever after? They did what they were spawned to do, and I can guarantee you, there is a lot of lies and gossip that many of these performers attract. It all comes down to protocol, presentation and priorities...in this industry, you get a pretty good idea just how successful you are by the press that are steady on seeing you fail. It's not an industry of truth except by those that the media keep trying to shut down.

[@FarelForever]

Thank you very much for making this video. I have heard people take jabs at Marilyn Manson for years, and I never understood why all of a sudden things changed. This gave me a lot more insight.

[@LegalesePodcast]

Did anyone else think it was weird when one of his accusers said she waited so long to file her lawsuit because she had repressed the memory and only remembered the abuse after a meeting with other alleged abuse victims? Who attends a support group for victims of abuse when she stated herself she was totally unaware of that abuse... Isn't that like attending a support group for people with terminal cancer when you have not received a terminal cancer diagnosis yourself, because you haven't gone to the doctor seeking a diagnosis, because you haven't even realized you were sick...

[@heathertims2872]

Yes thats cux they all lied if you notice none of his other lovers like Rose McGowan or Dita Von Teese always said that he was never that way with them then whenever they got backlash for that was then that they changed there stories. I believe yes he might be dark and a bit of a d!ck but I dont believe any of them girls he did that too I believe it was all consenstional maybe it was too rough but I know I was attacked one night when I was pregnant with my daughter and I never wanted too see the man that did actually r@pe me agian. So if he did those things why would they stay?

[@Lilacrosepetalleaf]

Especially since at least 4 of the accusers are claiming repressed memory....

[@mushmush4980]

you do understand that repression is totally normal behavior for sexual abuse victims right they're trying to go to therapy because they realized that the pain is way too much to just ignore. why would you think she's lying when she voluntarily attended therapy for abuse not everything is a sign of someone trying to fake a lawsuit

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

You are comparing human psychology and mental states to physical illness. How did you ever think this is smart to post? Even if she is lying, your comparison makes no sense.

[@johns3927]

@@mushmush4980 It's actually not totally normal to repress memories. In fact, repressed memories don't exist.

[@xotronic]

This is art, everyone is an adult in these videos as long as that is true this is just art with adults who agreed to do these acts

[@liliristagno7061]

I hope everyone knows the actress in this movie is not only alive but is a huge MM supporter

[@MacintoshT.Reznor]

Doesn't matter. Manson sucks. He's a predator.

[@BiancaGreysin]

I had that Dead to the World VHS, and I always thought that was just some sort of horror bit at the end, as that’s what it felt like to me watching it back in the day. I never realized there was a whole other video it was about or trying to promote. I get why people would believe this to be real as (like you mentioned) the whole staged / real footage genre didn’t exist yet until after Blair Witch (1999) come about, even then everyone and their mom thought it was real. You wouldn’t believe how many ppl thought the actors had actually died in that film also. After the success of Blair Witch the whole Reality TV & Mocumentaries started slowly becoming the norm in entertainment. Even looking back on old reality tv you can tell it’s staged / fake but ppl believe it to be just as real as back than. Ppl do still fall for staged/fake videos online today tho. The only difference is we can actually watch the footage and try to determine if it’s real or fake, with out anything to pick apart we’re just left here debating about the authenticity of the film. But with that being said, I totally agree w/what his publicist or manager said about not releasing as no one would of been ready for that type of footage in the early to mid 90s.

[@tgiacin435]

@zawadiukI was about to bring up that movie

[@tgiacin435]

You’d think people would realized it was fake when the girl that was “killed” showed up in a one of his music videos

[@youneedpeoplelikeme5376]

I remember seeing Blair Witch in the movies back then & my friends heard about it on the Internet. Although while watching, I kept saying 'this can't be real-they wouldn' put this FOUND FOOTAGE from MISSING PEOPLE in the movies & Why would these people keep filming while going through all this in the woods????? Yet it scared the crap out of me-Not knowing for sure & I was too scared to go home for about 3 days because I had a dark yard & a back door entrance & was scared to go into the dark or near anything like 'woods' LOL. I'm actually glad that I got to see it before it became well known & obviously NOT real because that experience was unlike anything else & a good fake scare-LIKE A GOOD HAUNTED HOUSE ON HALLOWEEN. I should also say that I have no interest in snuff films or gore or anything like that but anybody who got to see Blair Witch before it was advertised on tv-those of us who SAW IT & weren't really 100% sure if it was real or not-Even though I kept saying 'this seems like it would be illegal if it were real to play in the movies & so many little things that made it unreal.....It was REAL ENOUGH to really scare the crap out of me. Anybody who later saw it on DVD or after seeing the 'actors doing interviews & stuff had no need to waste their time with it because knowing its fake makes it ridiculous to watch-I mean JUST the CONSTANT shaking of the handheld cameras gave me a bad headache too 😮

[@golunged1383]

Always love your vids man, always a highlight of my day. Keep up the good work berns.

[@colddarkness1798]

WE ARE ALL THE ABUSERS NOW IN THE CENSORSHIP SHOW!

[@CKNZ161]

And yet, Pola Weiss who was the "groupie" IN the video with no small amount of annoyance, refuted the abuse claims insofar that this work was made against her will and that she had no say in how she was presented. She was insulted by the label of victim. In short: another "Worldcorp" sham.

[@nomorebozo7782]

worldcorp is not a sham lmao the videos of child abuse iin that situation are very real and very very disturbing

[@CKNZ161]

@@nomorebozo7782 Nope. Entirely faked. It was the Worldcorp guy's little brother acting.

[@quentinheard9009]

It's strange how society begs for controversy but in the end play victim to profit or hurt someone

[@bigblue344]

I used to think the Manson lawsuits had no ground until I learned who Andy Dick was, what he did and being friends with Mason. Not saying that Manson is guilty, just that there is now credibility to the claims even if every other person is now being accused and failing at it.

[@wishingb5859]

Well, so far, the women have all been hoaxes. The hoax of the Groupie video is that they keep saying it was an underage actress and she killed herself but the actress has given an interview saying that she is alive and well and was not a minor and enjoyed the experience.

[@raynehell1217]

Manson's made many friends (and lost many) over decades. SOome of them may've done terrible things; Dick seems mostly to have done daft, drunken, drugged thingsbut nothing that terrible. Whatever. How's that anything at all to do with what Manson's accused of by ERW and co?

[@DARTHMOBIUS]

@@jessebrown3976lol his autobiography is bullsh**

[@bigrat5135]

Guilt by association? Nah

[@raynehell1217]

@Jesse Brown Manson, in interviews, music and writings, is notoriously and intentionally unreliable. But in court he's being serious. Let's see if these lying beetches can do likewise

[@someoneout-there2165]

I am in no way defending him, but I do wonder why on Earth did his ex think Manson was prince charming? He made it pretty clear, who he was, in many of his music videos.

[@yogijager]

He was actually very charming to Dita and Rose.

[@jamiemetcalfe7945]

When a horrible person makes an effort, it's charming. What a pack of fools

[@rageagainstthemachine7434]

GO GET EM MATLOCK😂😂😂😂😂👎👎👎👎👎👎👎

[@Grwenhuhc]

If you look into it just a little bit, you will find out these girls are lying. Exactly why he's taking them to court. I'm not even a fan of Mansons music, but after watching the documentary Phoenix rising, I could tell Evan was lying. I went through extreme domestic violence and could tell this chick was lyyyying. So I started searching, and there are numerous detailed videos going through all the allegations and showing the girls contradict their lies. One girl claimed to be abused and shared a picture of her abuse... Except they traced that photo back to a Pinterest fetish page for love bites. It wasn't even her picture. Just an hour into looking through the claims and videos it exposed the girls badly. There is nothing I cannot stand more than liars and claiming to have been abused. Truly it's DISGUSTING!!

[@lisalegato0109]

He's just a performance

[@animuslux]

What really needs to be investigated is how women associated with high level artists just form groups of their own and literally plan out public slander so far as to come out as victims and sue with completely made up allegations. Why does that go unpunished?

[@moserfugger6363]

Yeah, very interesting topic with tons of examples. But even after the whole Depp-vs-Heard debacle nobody wants to dive deeper into this issue. Seems like people are afraid of the consequences. greetings from germany :)

[@sunofpeter2]

It happens to regular guys and it ruins men’s lives and the women have zero consequences. Is that part of the patriarchal hierarchy?

[@moserfugger6363]

@@sunofpeter2 No, that's simply reality. A reality many people decide to actively ignore. Those are people who have no moral compass of their own. People whose moral values are only defined by zeitgeist and government. Greetings from Europe! :)

[@sunofpeter2]

@@moserfugger6363 greetings from Wyo-Braska! Men must be very careful to look for the signs or flags of narcissism and victim mentality in women. These are the type that will hurt a man the most, in anyway they can. Despicable creatures. This whole identity politics is rampant narcissism. Do you have that there too, this woke movement?

[@moserfugger6363]

@@sunofpeter2 Thank you! :) Wow, Wyo-Braska! It still fascinates me to be able to talk with people from so far away. Especially from such a beautiful area. This reminds me what an amazing thing the internet can be inspite of all the toxicity. Yeah, I had to learn pretty fast to read those signs. When I was 17 years old my first steady relationship broke apart. A few weeks after getting seperated we ran into each other, talked extensively and realized that we still enjoy spending together. After a short while we started becoming intimate again - inspite of her already being in a new relationship with another guy. She called me several times every week and wanted to hook up. I enjoyed up until the point where I realized that I still had feelings for her. So I talked to her about it, wanting to know how she feels. Instead of having an honest conversation she immediately became very aggressive. She yelled at me that she'll say I forced her to sleep with me, if anybody came to know about our affair. She pointed out, that nobody will believe me, because I'm a guy. Yeah, those were her exact words. We were still very young and naive back then, but she already understood how society works in cases like this. This was a very enlightening experience for me. At that point I never would have thought that a girl/woman would be able to do something like this. Especially not someone who once was so close to me. Later on I had a job as a social worker for many years. I often had to work with families who assisted by child protective services. And you couldn't even imagine how many cases I've experienced during those years where women used false allegations to harm their (ex) partners/husbands. It was very eye opening. Greetings from Germany :)

[@acidicspecter]

These videos are so high quality, you deserve more traction for sure.

[@jackchop1576]

Trying to give credibility to Andy Dick of all people sort of defeats the entire purpose of this if you are "trying to give a voice to victims of sexual assault".

[@AryBerry1031]

I remember being really hyped for it being released on that Antichrist Superstar box set (like Manson teased that it would be. Obviously not a guarantee, but still.) Probably the most I've been disappointed looking for/looking into stuff like this.

[@bryan123483]

He should release it whenever he's able to. I think it would be very suiting. It could be like The Golden Age of Grotesque album when you got an extra disc of some pretty explicit videos. I forget what it was. Maybe just music videos. Either way, it would be a great fuck you to everyone jumping on this witch hunt bandwagon.

[@raynehell1217]

A lo-fi production home-video joke? Let it lie

[@rthua5718]

Part of that film was available on a pirate program called Limewire

[@rthua5718]

That was like in 2001

[@KrashyKharma]

@@bryan123483 Doppelherz, it's just stream of consciousness poetry with some siamese twins in bondage.

[@andrewhudson7108]

On another note, Favreau should bring back Dinner for Five, even if it’s a KZbin series.

[@herelieskittythomas3726]

We can't be comparing Groupie to Broken, there is no comparison. Manson's little Indy film is cute but Broken is the OG here.

[@liammcnicholas918]

NIN were also profiled on a tabloid news show where they thought footage of their music video was a snuff film. I think they made Broken because of that

[@DefinitiveDubs]

You're on a roll with these. You should try and tackle the case against Michael Jackson next.

[@taffysaur]

Both Jackson and Manson unfortunately became victims of the public personas they themselves had created.

[@Schellsea]

@@taffysauryou had me in the first half ngl

[@raynehell1217]

@@taffysaur Only insofar as people fail to distinguish fact from fantasy

[@fffrrraannkk]

Rumor has it he was killed because he was worth more money dead than alive.

[@taffysaur]

@@raynehell1217 Yes, they are both artists who believe in living their art in public. Unfortunately that can be used against each of them as the public are primed to believe the worst things about them already.

[@GrannyPlaysGames-dm4hq]

It is art! My son is an artist, and some of his media is film. He makes dark films to explore the deeper levels of humanity. An artist who makes his work about dark subjects does not mean that it is a reflection of the artist, quite the reverse, it is usually a reflection of certain parts of society.

[@ericisabell7873]

The film was staged and a fan was playing as an actress. It is like found footage, and provokes a reaction.

[@lisalegato0109]

It's fake. Pola is alive and well.

[@colt4608]

Great coverage been following this story for a while really surprised at all the new information you provided

[@lexiepixie9188]

Pola Weiss is alive and well and spoke good about working with Marilyn Manson. :)

[@heikkijhautanen4576]

Well no one can promote himself as good as mr manson, keeping himself on peoples heads for 30 years, a true shock rocker......

[@DMTInfinity]

I'm Pretty Sure that I saw Bits And Pieces of it on a very Low-Viewed KZbin Video of Marilyn Mansion Behind The Scenes, where parts of it were Spliced in, especially Towards The End, and then a few years later when I went back to Watch the Video, those Parts were Cut Out of The Video entirely with The KZbin Studio Editor.

[@DMTInfinity]

The Part where they're Sexually Assulting a Dog is still in there though.

[@matthewpitre8159]

Okay so if he can go to jail for making it art/horror film that was directed and everybody was in agreement and knew what was going on and of age then anybody who makes a horror movie Put in jail right?

[@whydahell3816]

Trent Reznor and MM has a rocky relationship, once Reznor says to Manson, "I miss when music use to scare people." I believe Manson delivered that 100%. You couldn't get MM cds at the music store that sold GOD SMACK , the manager had no explanation for this.

[@bryan123483]

Great work! I hope that everyone that knows about this case would watch this video.

[@Seraphim_skateboards]

Never liked Marilyn Mansons music or persona he always felt rapey

[@1v1keely]

It was probably to get people’s reactions. In other interviews, Manson states that how people respond to his music and performances is just as important as the music itself. He’s a very smart & talented artist. I trust that he knows/knew what he was doing.

[@donnowme]

he has graduated in the satanic church

[@samwill7259]

The way your content is and the way that your icon looks (a generally "cute" character done in grimey colors and a negative expression), I keep half convincing myself that it's changed when I look back down

[@travishardy5757]

Andy and Manson.. Two people that never tell a lie. It was never a full movie, probably dropped b roll from a video project and he used it to boost his lore.

[@mikerophone235]

Andy Dick and his kids searching the Dark Web together. What a wholesome and entirely appropriate way to end this story 😐

[@shepherdsson]

Words are the most powerful forms of magic. Using every word carefully to get out a certain outcome. Spelling is a spell.

[@Oceans11.11]

MM is all about the theatrical aspect but so many fall for it, which means he was successful in the productions. As a native South Floridian, one of my best friends was friends with him and we used to go to his shows before he got big. It’s all an act and he’s a super, down to earth, nice guy. I can’t speak on what the accusers are alleging, but let’s hope the justice system does its job. The more I hear, read and watch about the accusers, the more I feel confident that none of it’s true but time will tell. What I can say is anybody who goes to the extent of faking an FBI letter doesn’t have truths to share. Question is.. why does she have such beef with him to devise an elaborate hoax…. It’s not like she needs money.. 🤔

[@angelaforshee4443]

I've researched a lot and I'm 99% sure those woman are lying& have mental problems. A couple have just fallen completely apart. She's another Amber fucking Heard& I hope they lock railroad those trifling heifers if in fact they're full of shit because that's a f***ed-up thing to do to someone! Especially trying to say he had kid porn& shit. They've got his computers& I believe that's something that would've been found quickly but guess what? You got it, that's bs as well! This man's is is well above average, you can tell if you've watched his interviews esp when they try to put him down (David Letterman). He didn't get angry, didn't fire back but rolled with it& just tried to explain himself. That says a lot about who he is In my mind anyways. These folks that wanna persecute& prosecute you without a fair trial, that shits a dangerous, slippery fucking slope! These lil girls pulling this BS....IDK are taking away the significance of the me too movement & that's no good, it's sad. They need to set some stiff ass penalties for their sorry assess but hell some women think they'll get away with it but Amber found out the hard way! She should've just gotta divorce & moved in with o Elon Musk lol

[@Spaceghost22]

She’s doing for political agenda, to build her activist status… she’ll claim for the rest of her life she’s a victim (even when evidence proves otherwise - that she and her friends have been lying about all of this)… reminds me of Amber Heard, using victimization to describe her life and actions.

[@TheJayofthejungle]

My straightlaced dad saw Manson in the airport in like 96 and like a champ got his autograph for his teenaged son, me. He said he was really nice even though he was most definitely reeeeeally hung over.

[@Mr.InbetweenFX]

You just got a like, subscribe and comment for the energy and research you put into this one- but let me be clear, it's mainly because you got in touch with Andy Dick and got him to respond directly to you concerning this subject❤️

[@ZillMob]

I remember in HS my friend convinced everyone the the broken video was real. It took about 2 minutes of me watching it to know it was fake. It's super obvious

[@bubbyberry]

amazing video as always bernie!

[@amberdyet8059]

It was before my body wrap around tattoo in 1999, when groupie was filmed in 1996. Just in case they need more info.

[@Epochs33]

Give it up already .

[@howardfiske9229]

I'm confused. I thought John 5 told a producer that Manson got away with murder and that he paid that Pola chick a shit ton of money to say it was her. Then someone supposedly recorded Twiggy all fucked up and asked him and he corroborated 5's story and the video was on KZbin for less than 48 hours. That was like a decade ago. Called Manson the 'Albino O.J.' and THEN Rob Zombie's wife said 5's account was accurate and that Manson showed the video to a bunch of them while Zombie and Manson were on tour together and how he bragged about getting away with murder. Fuck, who knows? Antichrist is a bomb record and the Helmet/Manson show I saw in 96 was brutal amazing.

[@wolvenfae]

I believe this more than what everyone thinks currently.

[@RebeccaO619]

Also Illma testified in October that a relative of Jeanette Pollard’s reached out to her, worried that the reason Jeanette took her life was because of it was her in the Groupie video and not Poala Weiss. So Poala’s version and Illma’s version of events differ there.

[@raynehell1217]

Gore's a compulsive liar who justifies her fiction as 'art'. There's truth and 'there's Illma's version'; the two are at odds

[@RebeccaO619]

@@raynehell1217 well she said it on the record. Manson actually has already put a fraudulent declaration before the judge where the witness later admitted to submitting screenshots of a faked conversation between himself and Ashley Morgan Smithline. Both sides have a huge credibility issue.

[@raynehell1217]

@@RebeccaO619 What witness? What screenshots? Gore says she's no evidence or reason to believe this supposed relative is who she (supposedly) says she is. Pola Weiss has made a sworn deposition stating she's the actress in 'Groupie'. There's plenty of reasons to doubt anything Gore says. What reason is there to doubt what Pola says?

[@matthewhibbard9807]

If there’s a legitimate threat of prison, she took a payoff after signing an NDA. That’s why she never came forward.

[@Gamemaster13000]

I throughly convinced Groupie was a completely staged publicity stunt Manson was known for pulling. Wouldn't even be surprised if it was always legal for viewing and Manson was never actually at risk of being sent to jail because of it. I'm also willing to believe he actually did abused those women because Hollywood.

[@KrashyKharma]

There's nothing "illegal" about the video, it features an 18+ actor who has publicly stated, including in court documents, that it was completely consensual and she was a paid actor who had no problem filming it.

[@JulianPerez-vf2hg]

It just sent him again to the stage. Thanks.

[@michaelbowmanjr.9724]

Awesome video, well thought out with background and factual explanation ✌️

[@Celadonfae]

I know for a fact he is sketchy as hell. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, so don't @ me. A friend of mine was a "groupie" of his, not the one at the centre of this video. She was 15 (the age of consent in my area being 16). He was abusive, gave her drugs and alcohol, and his bandmates are not innocent either.

[@RoyStorey]

you can tell which of these comments didn't even watch the whole video

[@terrenceswiff]

That first lawsuit honestly makes me laugh. Spooked so hard by a known showboating liar that you sue him

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

Manson did a little trolling

[@gabsgoo7716]

If your boss who is also one of the most famous people on earth made you watch a video that looked like him assaulting a girl and told you it was of him assaulting a girl of course that would be traumatic please think for even a second.

[@FulvioVenanzini]

Manson: "if i show my movie i can go to jail!" His fans: "he's innocent!!!"

[@xerotonin6776]

Pola Weiss interviewed by Colonel Kurtz said he was a gentleman during the whole groupie shoot. All the bitches trying to ruin him are full of shit.

[@VampiraVonGhoulscout]

I think this was probably before found footage was a thing though. Remember when everyone thought Blair Witch was real?

[@raynehell1217]

@@VampiraVonGhoulscout LIke when I was growing up in the '70s, people thought 'snuff films' were a thing

[@VampiraVonGhoulscout]

@@raynehell1217 I guess Groupie is kind of like a lost "video nasty" in a way.

[@jeromealexandre3391]

This film won’t send him to prison , look online and you’ll see the girl in this video is not only alive but was not underage during the filming .

[@tgiacin435]

Yeah, but how many people would actually do research when you can just believe every hit piece

[@thatguyoverthere2755]

You got in touch with Andy Dick? Wow, and he was sober enough to discuss the film...

[@MisterFrodo]

Great vid. Id heard mumblings about this hear and there but never dove into it so this is really interesting. Also, great choice of bgm, lain approves.

[@BigJnZayProductions]

Bro what if the girl that’s supposedly in the video isn’t the one that actually was? How do we have proof it was her ? Her name in the credits for a separate video doesn’t prove anything. Also the girl that claims to be in it is obviously a close personal friend of Manson with reason to lie.

[@phenolicphenomenon8155]

What reason is that?

[@liliristagno7061]

She said it is on the books

[@volodymyrbilyk555]

So basically a kink upper floor video but with poor production value?

[@simplyluner5866]

Please remember the girl in the video came forward and talked about it. What I've been told she never killed herself like illma gore claimed. She is still alive and she was on interviews talking about it to.

[@hippa2dahoppa2]

im a huge 90s manson fan ive hunted down almost every live show that exists over the years, but manson himself is sick. the fact his fans go to great lengths to defend him are mental. he made it bluntly clear through the 90s how he treated women on tour. he left the love of his life for fame and girls who were throw aways. ruined every real marriage and relationship he had. he continuously showed how he treated women like sex objects. which i dont have a problem with because the women were proud of it. the thing is im like how is anyone surprised? it was always right out in the open. the problem is he became famous to long into a new generation of people who live on going back 20 yrs and nailing these people for things that were kinda normaly right out in the open back then

[@LuchadorMasque]

jail and prison are not the same thing. one goes to jail and then goes to prison if given more than 365 -time served

[@ciciriddick]

Thank you! Some people spend a night in jail and then tell their friends they went to prison. Not the same thing at all.

[@brianhoward7277]

You're incorrect. You are in county jail when you are an unsentenced inmate going to court. Once you get convicted or accept a plea deal, then you get sent to prison. You could stay in county jail for several years waiting to be sentenced. Even if you only have a month left in your sentence you can get sent to prison. Jail is for unsentenced inmates regardless of time. Prison is for sentences inmates regardless of time.

[@ciciriddick]

@@brianhoward7277 As a rule, jail is where a person is held while they are awaiting trial and where those who have been convicted of minor crimes serve their sentences. Prison, on the other hand, is where those who are convicted of serious crimes serve their sentences.

[@fevergaming1]

I did 3 years in a county jail.

[@scottpeltier3977]

I believe it was all to push Mansons career and get eyes. Everything gross or jarring he does is to purposely build infamy and eyes. This is just another stunt and a well executed one

[@EHiggins]

People just trying to chill in their favorite "Red Room", and up pops Andy Dick making fart noises and saying "oh, that was a wet one!" You can't get those bitcoin back.

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

I doubt there was any feature length film of this actually made. I think the whole story is fake.

[@hoodedman6579]

That would be quite impressive given how many people who have claimed to actually watch the thing.

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

@@hoodedman6579 Not really. People love to make false claims, especially if it's a way to boast about something like being part of a famous musician's inner circle.

[@bobvilla8715]

I think it exists, but I think it likely wasn't released because it probably wasn't quite up to snuff in quality that was desired. So, with that, the lore is likely much better than the film. Likely, if it were released it wouldn't quite live up to the hype that has been made about it.

[@elm1230]

Manson has fabricated many things in his career, especially his beginnings. If the video was fake I wouldn’t be surprised lol his whole rise to fame was genius in marketing and the creation of rock and roll persona

[@johnmorrison5502]

Yeah it’s just clever marketing from MM and all the evil dark stuff. Even if only 3 people saw there was a party where it was supposedly made in front of people. There would be more witnesses. Then admitting to have an abusive movie that would land you in jail would be stupid if it was real. Given legal trouble MM has had. It could come up in a court case and be legally requested as evidence unless…….it doesn’t exist.