INSTALLING A $43 EBAY HEADER ON A 320K MILE CIVIC

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Carter Maneki

Carter Maneki

Күн бұрын

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@98Kentuckian
@98Kentuckian 4 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: if you think a bolt is going to snap, loosen and then tighten on and off and that will usually keep it from breaking by freeing up the threads
@kjchannel8821
@kjchannel8821 2 жыл бұрын
So my car won’t blow up after using the eBay headers 😂
@jogalong
@jogalong Жыл бұрын
What I do is put the ratchet tip on the bolt, hammer it few times, then put on the rachet and just tap the handle with a hammer forwards and backwards. It' loosens up the rust without breaking the bolt. Works 99%
@armandoalejandro7209
@armandoalejandro7209 3 жыл бұрын
When I first did it was cool for a week then someone suggested that I wrapped the headers to muffle the sound well that sounded even better after driving it for 1 hour it caught fire and totaled the car lol this was before KZbin was a thing.
@tylertolbert2162
@tylertolbert2162 3 жыл бұрын
That took a turn 😭
@theorylolz
@theorylolz 3 жыл бұрын
what the hell did u wrap it with
@joecuenca838
@joecuenca838 3 жыл бұрын
whoah! but what i was wondering is, what did you wrapped it with?
@shelvin916sk916
@shelvin916sk916 3 жыл бұрын
What did you wrap it with lol
@instillthefear
@instillthefear 3 жыл бұрын
bro... you should avoid that person at all costs from here on out, they did you dirty.
@Guerrini2954
@Guerrini2954 3 жыл бұрын
Guys the problem with the rusted bolts and studs can be easily fixed! Spray on the best rust remover you can find. Leave it over night. Then start unscrewing the bolt. If it stops don‘t go further. Screw back in a little bit and unscrew until it stops and repeat. The rust gets stuck in the thread and if you proceed unscrewing then the studs break. So doing it like this will save you a lot of time and you don’t have to mess with this again. I myself read that tip on the internet and it worked great! :)
@tonywacek7446
@tonywacek7446 2 жыл бұрын
a wire brush to the rusty threads will help too
@SupercellsNSubies
@SupercellsNSubies 4 жыл бұрын
This is my car in the video. I wanted a different sound and since it’s a beater I don’t care about the rust or the other bs that’s associated with the car. Plus I was on a budget. The check engine light before the install was from something that happened and it remained on since. I will say if you are looking for good aftermarket headers check out skunk2, 1320 uel, or dc sports.
@ItsJustChase
@ItsJustChase 3 жыл бұрын
How did that header hold up after a few months? Welds still good?
@SupercellsNSubies
@SupercellsNSubies 3 жыл бұрын
@@ItsJustChase Yeah the welds held up fine, but I would suggest getting a better gasket in between the header pipe and down pipe. Mine blew like the next day.
@AdmiralRustyShackleford
@AdmiralRustyShackleford 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you eventually got a catback on there, even the cheapest one on ebay would sound better, as long as it has a muffler and a resonator too.
@SupercellsNSubies
@SupercellsNSubies 2 жыл бұрын
@@AdmiralRustyShackleford I scrapped he car, once i put this header on a lot more issues surfaced and I threw in the towel. The previous owners really messed up the car and it was just a little project car/daily that I thought I could get running better.
@soulsnatcher9228
@soulsnatcher9228 3 жыл бұрын
Every 30 min job is only one broken bolt away from becoming a 3 day job. Every civic manifold I've seen does that
@turbotommyguns
@turbotommyguns 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad the youth of today is still wrenching.
@anandkorrapati911
@anandkorrapati911 4 жыл бұрын
Quintessential Honda Civic mod.
@LMFAO5001
@LMFAO5001 3 жыл бұрын
At least it doesn't have an exhaust leak anymore lol
@gothinking3705
@gothinking3705 3 жыл бұрын
Help a brother out and tidy up that engine bay. Valve cover gasket degreaser and paint valve cover and update most of the rusty hardware
@SupercellsNSubies
@SupercellsNSubies 3 жыл бұрын
I did later on in like June of 2020 but I ended up scrapping the car. It had so many issues from when I got it and they only got worse in the long run. I do miss the civic though.
@StreetSpeed10
@StreetSpeed10 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, years ago I had a 96 DX Civic that I put a Ebay header and exhaust on. It was still running fine 4 years later when I sold it after putting it on. It would backfire if I held it at higher rpms and let the car hold itself back. It sounded like a pretty loud gun or bomb going offlol. I remember riding by this club that used to be in the town where I lived while a bunch of people were outside waiting to get in and when I made it backfire, there were people screaming because they thought someone started shooting. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@AceDiego
@AceDiego 2 жыл бұрын
bout to buy one myself , howd u get it to shoot?😂
@jonathanbrown4961
@jonathanbrown4961 2 жыл бұрын
Explain how you do this lol
@jimsmith9546
@jimsmith9546 2 жыл бұрын
You could’ve gotten the cops called on you for having a firearm!🤔
@nestoworks3402
@nestoworks3402 5 күн бұрын
Thee ol honda drive by
@outdooralchemy7054
@outdooralchemy7054 4 жыл бұрын
Can we get a link to the header?
@mattbalsterholt7580
@mattbalsterholt7580 4 жыл бұрын
It sounds like a Subaru because it's not running right.
@theusedblink
@theusedblink 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, right.. misfiring maybe.
@cheetahgaming3642
@cheetahgaming3642 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t think anything’s wrong with it running wise never had any issues with aftermarket headers
@xXmassniperzXx
@xXmassniperzXx 4 жыл бұрын
nah....equal length headers = Subaru rumble..... the cars running fine
@JDMHMONGBOY96
@JDMHMONGBOY96 4 жыл бұрын
@@xXmassniperzXx equal length headers don’t give it a rumble smh. Unequal length gives it a rumble sound. Also gives it less power
@420ish5
@420ish5 3 жыл бұрын
That cars trash. Other then that. I have the plm header. It does sounds a bit rumble ish. At low rpms. Good for low end. Sucks up high from my experience with it. Its on my trash y8 lkq motor. Put a gt28 on there and post a vid
@mikeyjimenezz
@mikeyjimenezz 4 жыл бұрын
These guys are calm. I like that good job👍🏼
@LV-FOURTWENTYSIX
@LV-FOURTWENTYSIX 9 ай бұрын
Doesnt have to be a million dollar car to hook me just a couple of mates having fun with a nugget and im there. Great work.
@JDMHMONGBOY96
@JDMHMONGBOY96 4 жыл бұрын
“ it doesn’t sound that bad. I thought it was gonna sound super gross like eBay header” this car sounds exactly like that. Just wait until you actually try to gain speed on an onramp lmfaoooo
@FitemeUrlnotIrl
@FitemeUrlnotIrl 4 жыл бұрын
theres headers on a 2000 lx i just bought and it sounds fucking dope getting onto the ramp 😂
@JDMHMONGBOY96
@JDMHMONGBOY96 4 жыл бұрын
@@FitemeUrlnotIrl uhhhh
@benhowell6386
@benhowell6386 3 жыл бұрын
It would sound a lot better if you at least ran pipe to the rear or some muffler. When the header and the pipes under the car it vibrates the whole floor and is louder and a longer pipe to rear would quieten and make exhaust sound go to rear while driving
@calebmcelroy2988
@calebmcelroy2988 2 жыл бұрын
Fr
@calebmcelroy2988
@calebmcelroy2988 2 жыл бұрын
They just kids
@rncboy2
@rncboy2 4 жыл бұрын
Now might wanna try the Ebay full exhaust. I know on the Corolla's the ebay stainless cheap cat back has a deep throaty sound to it. Might do the same for the 1.6 Honda's. Just a thought!
@_hatersckater7269
@_hatersckater7269 4 жыл бұрын
My ebay exhaust for my d16y8 had fitment issues and horrible rasping from 3k rpm’s up. A cherry bomb makes it sound way better tho. Piping was 2.25”
@Romasu_
@Romasu_ 2 жыл бұрын
not only are younger gen kids working on their own car, its a stick. who tf are their parents, they need a award!
@kerfewo.5949
@kerfewo.5949 4 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I found this video! I am about to buy the same headers for the same type car. But wasnt sure of the mods needed to make it work. Great video! 🤔💪👍😎🍻
@Stvzbnk
@Stvzbnk 4 жыл бұрын
Does it have Cold Air? Is that a Check Engine Light? Maybe a Cat Code? Signed, owner 96 Civic DX 198,728 miles.
@historyhunter5215
@historyhunter5215 4 жыл бұрын
Check engine will be a cat code for the bank 1 o2.... just pull the gauges and take out the light.
@void_jl
@void_jl 4 жыл бұрын
ayeee I'm also a 96 civic DX owner
@NesleySnipes
@NesleySnipes 4 жыл бұрын
@@historyhunter5215 check engine light is due to the catalitic converter delete. there is a downstream senson which was left unplugged in this vid
@seannoh672
@seannoh672 Жыл бұрын
I didn't notice any jack stands in the video, but you don't want to risk your life over it. Hydraulic jacks can and do fail, so best to put in some sturdy jack stands underneath instead.
@Vacated204
@Vacated204 3 жыл бұрын
There’s no vtec on a y7 lol
@carlosarellano4
@carlosarellano4 4 жыл бұрын
Thank God for the west coast. My civic same year. My motor looks like new. Mann that sucks to deal with Rust
@woofgang319
@woofgang319 4 жыл бұрын
Tell me about it i had to weld a new floor to my 97 4 door
@jonathanboughtone230
@jonathanboughtone230 3 жыл бұрын
Its rumbling because its not running right. I took the second sensor off my car when i did headers and it was way slower after, so i put it back in with an L spacer because i have no cat, and i got my power back, actually had a little more. It doesnt have the second sensor just to see how the cat is working, the engine adjusts fuel input and spark timing based off how the two sensors read. When theres a cat, the exhaust gases after the cat are relatively stable, because thats what cats do, but as the second sensors reading changes the engine adjusts things and uses the first sensor to verify what its doing.
@REDMISTINTHEAIR
@REDMISTINTHEAIR 3 жыл бұрын
does unplugging the bottom o2 sensor make the CE light come on ?
@ryukx4674
@ryukx4674 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@_sousa_delsol
@_sousa_delsol 3 жыл бұрын
Vtec doesn’t kick in with check engine light on
@jrorozco7847
@jrorozco7847 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao mine do 😭 shit is fucking crazy
@carleynorthcoast1915
@carleynorthcoast1915 3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious what it sounds like over 2800 rpm
@carlosarellano4
@carlosarellano4 4 жыл бұрын
Will check engine Turn on if you dont use secondary O2 Sensor?
@mattbalsterholt7580
@mattbalsterholt7580 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@historyhunter5215
@historyhunter5215 4 жыл бұрын
YES
@pxpii426
@pxpii426 2 жыл бұрын
depends on if its OBD1 or 2
@jdmchickkustomz9417
@jdmchickkustomz9417 Жыл бұрын
Okay so you were still able to use your O2 sensor how did you do that they had a place for it on the headers or on the pipe. I'm trying to replace my OEM cat with a performance one and then put headers
@adamgroszkiewicz814
@adamgroszkiewicz814 11 ай бұрын
Have fun with getting that past smog. And better PRAY you never get dinged by a cop....the tickets start at around $1000 and go up from there.
@juliosmiley937
@juliosmiley937 3 жыл бұрын
What a 👋to help a brother out what a good friend
@jdmchickkustomz9417
@jdmchickkustomz9417 Жыл бұрын
I thought if there was no cat and you omit the O2 it's going to have emissions problem
@DDnight546
@DDnight546 6 ай бұрын
So where can I find a manifold like that for 43 bucks?
@josephfigueroa3527
@josephfigueroa3527 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I could still buy these
@jdm-lover-4202
@jdm-lover-4202 2 жыл бұрын
I got a civic too almost same color and cracked window shield and I ordered some header for $207 I hope it sounds good
@CompleXkornejus
@CompleXkornejus 3 жыл бұрын
Can you share the purchase link for the header?
@josueamado1871
@josueamado1871 Ай бұрын
Man, I don't know if you are skills active OK youtube, but, can you please tell me, did the headers worth? Did they get damage? Did they make the engine fail, let me know so I can purchase them
@historyhunter5215
@historyhunter5215 4 жыл бұрын
That stud goes there btw... It's for a ground wire...
@jimsmith9546
@jimsmith9546 2 жыл бұрын
Did I see the CEL on the dash?!
@armandoalejandro7209
@armandoalejandro7209 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe because it has a exhaust leak from the two bolts you you cut off and didn't replace
@trentonmccreary2206
@trentonmccreary2206 2 жыл бұрын
We got the exact same header and down pipe it may be a lil off like may not line up properly
@jdmchickkustomz9417
@jdmchickkustomz9417 Жыл бұрын
So did you guys completely just cut the cat out of it
@ricowayman6399
@ricowayman6399 3 жыл бұрын
i had gotten headers but i’ve been told multiple things about tuning, i wanted to know this before i put them on so do headers require a tune?
@justcallhimday
@justcallhimday 2 жыл бұрын
Was that a manifold catalytic converter?
@FaderSkate
@FaderSkate 4 жыл бұрын
Thinking about getting this for my 97 lx civic trying to make a fun daily so my commute to work won’t be all that terrible
@nate3610
@nate3610 4 жыл бұрын
you find anything yet? exactly what i drive trying to get mine loud for cheapish
@codewaterairsoftandmore1050
@codewaterairsoftandmore1050 4 жыл бұрын
If you really want it to sound like a Subaru and have some money I would go with 1320 headers
@lyfelyne7194
@lyfelyne7194 2 жыл бұрын
Know any other UEL header brands? 1320 stopped making UEL headers
@TePasasALV
@TePasasALV 7 ай бұрын
Been looking too mane ​@@lyfelyne7194
@missmistymirage
@missmistymirage 4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't this fail inspection? i know they just check for safety but won't it be a problem if they notice the second o2 and the cat are gone?
@dmvlos3929
@dmvlos3929 4 жыл бұрын
How did you wire the downsteam o2 sensor?
@tristansmith88
@tristansmith88 4 жыл бұрын
You don’t need down stream
@NesleySnipes
@NesleySnipes 4 жыл бұрын
thats why the check engine light is there. its was not ran. he deleted his catalitic converter delete.
@3binkss
@3binkss 2 жыл бұрын
Anybody know how I can get a custom uel header for a 2019 civic?!?! I want Subaru rumble
@thercgallery9641
@thercgallery9641 4 жыл бұрын
thats a single overhead cam 1.6L it doesn"t have v-tech
@apple4apple247
@apple4apple247 4 жыл бұрын
If its a y8 its got vtec
@FiendTheatre
@FiendTheatre 4 жыл бұрын
Vtec is standard on all civics you pleb.
@apple4apple247
@apple4apple247 4 жыл бұрын
@@FiendTheatre that's not even close to true
@FlightyWolfwood
@FlightyWolfwood 3 жыл бұрын
@@apple4apple247 its not a y8 tho. its a y7. no vtec solenoid and both Intake and exhaust manifolds are not y8 spec. so hes right. it doesnt have vtec
@apple4apple247
@apple4apple247 3 жыл бұрын
@@FlightyWolfwood his claim is bc its a single cam 1.6 is why theres no vtec, which other 1.6 sohc do have vtec, sooo...
@ohstratz4747
@ohstratz4747 3 жыл бұрын
yo i have a serious question, i changed the exact same part for headers on a honda civic 2004 LX but im worried it might not pass smog cuz the stock had the catalytic converter on it, im in california btw
@MonsterFtwGaming
@MonsterFtwGaming 3 жыл бұрын
You don't have the exact same car so it's not the same part. If you look inside you aftermarket header, you'll see a white screen which is your cat. If you have one, you should pass. If not, like me, im running 4-1 headers on my d17a1 however i have my ebay cat ready when i need to smog.
@Otsp922
@Otsp922 3 жыл бұрын
Did the header change color?
@bengarcia2201
@bengarcia2201 3 жыл бұрын
Just got my first Honda Civic EX 96 So I’m new to the whole game but What’s the difference between a Catalytic converter and header?
@cartermaneki
@cartermaneki 3 жыл бұрын
the catalytic converter is the component of the exhaust system that scrubs the exhaust of gasses that are harmful to the environment. The header is just the exhaust component that comes off the engine and “collects” the exhaust into typically one pipe. A header could contain a catalytic converter, but a lot of the time aftermarket headers will either not have a cat or have a “high flow” performance cat. Hopefully this helps!
@vandogg2246
@vandogg2246 4 жыл бұрын
Why is the check engine light on
@Macfrugal_
@Macfrugal_ 4 жыл бұрын
Vando GG because they think you don't need the downstream o2 sensor lol you DO need it and if your a EX or HX model say goodbye to vtec until the check engine light is taken care of
@cartermaneki
@cartermaneki 4 жыл бұрын
I wasn’t aware about the vtec using info from the downstream, however the car used in this is the non-vtec LX model.
@Macfrugal_
@Macfrugal_ 4 жыл бұрын
Carter Maneki you can't legally pass emissions with the check engine light on or without a cat, hang onto the old one for the next owner or emissions time. You need to route the the other wire to the 2nd o2 bung at the back of the header, it will take care of the check engine light and keep the car from getting shitty gas mileage.
@cartermaneki
@cartermaneki 4 жыл бұрын
MacFrugal this car is registered in Ohio, which doesn’t require general or emissions inspections, which is good because the car has so much rust that it wouldn’t even pass the general. I personally live in Pennsylvania and am all too familiar with the emissions portion of the inspection, I run cat shells on all of my cars and have the P0420 CEL tuned out
@garymijangos9403
@garymijangos9403 4 жыл бұрын
Because this car has a catalytic converter exhaust manifold and when you remove your catalytic converter the obd2 will sense it’s missing and if will trigger a check engine code it’s best to do this on a d16y8 or a d16y5 cause they have the cat 🐈 that’s not attached to your exhaust Manifold
@mikewhite4612
@mikewhite4612 2 жыл бұрын
Would this pass emmisions ?
@ryqns
@ryqns 3 жыл бұрын
sort of an off topic question lol but would it b safe to run it without heat shield on the headers? ive heard of some ppl doing it and is it bad for the long run? does the heat interfere with anything? thanks
@zeke2053
@zeke2053 2 жыл бұрын
I run heat wraps
@jdmchickkustomz9417
@jdmchickkustomz9417 Жыл бұрын
I wish I could find mine for 43 bucks they're like $150 and I can't find them for my 97 anywhere either
@bajapanti7681
@bajapanti7681 Жыл бұрын
WHATS THE NAME OF IT,... I CANT FIND THEM...
@exploredw8959
@exploredw8959 3 жыл бұрын
Where did you get those intake pipe
@frias2287
@frias2287 Жыл бұрын
Cool🔥💯👍💪
@UPliftme1
@UPliftme1 3 жыл бұрын
I want to clean your engine bay so bad XD
@ashtonjohnson2492
@ashtonjohnson2492 3 жыл бұрын
So your telling me you installed new headers and didn’t hear run it with no headers?!?!
@C3Roach
@C3Roach 4 жыл бұрын
That exhaust leak tho. Losing throttle performance with that
@chicago_beats
@chicago_beats 3 жыл бұрын
This dope. Beautiful
@jordysrevenge
@jordysrevenge 3 жыл бұрын
imagine if you put pipes after the headers out the back 💀 it’d be stoopidly loud but still sounds good though 👌
@BlakeGibbons
@BlakeGibbons 2 жыл бұрын
How does this sound good 🤣
@hudboys8120
@hudboys8120 2 жыл бұрын
It deff doesn’t, it needs a Yonaka then maybe it will
@NerminBoskovic-k5v
@NerminBoskovic-k5v Жыл бұрын
Lol exhausted leak bro the whole converter is gone
@halturt7046
@halturt7046 2 жыл бұрын
This car sounds like a v6. Wish you could scream it to 5000 rpms.
@throttlefilms
@throttlefilms 3 жыл бұрын
so now its cat-less?
@Lockwood360
@Lockwood360 4 жыл бұрын
Why does it sound just as bad after....it's just a header it should sound almost stock. I have basically the same on mine.
@Kanjo_Retired
@Kanjo_Retired 2 жыл бұрын
"and we should also"... CLEAN YOUR GOD DAMN BAY! A car is only as good as its maintenance! I know its a honda but you can only push them so far :P
@therealgiraffe6996
@therealgiraffe6996 2 жыл бұрын
i literally have the exact same intake and the exact same car
@historyhunter5215
@historyhunter5215 4 жыл бұрын
Omg, that motor.....🥴💔
@Still-Sitting
@Still-Sitting 3 жыл бұрын
🤢
@leonwhite3921
@leonwhite3921 4 жыл бұрын
Shes dope budget whip 👌
@mflance7197
@mflance7197 2 жыл бұрын
Well what seller on ebay
@historyhunter5215
@historyhunter5215 4 жыл бұрын
And this is why my honda gets much hate....🍚
@GampoEC
@GampoEC 2 жыл бұрын
Vtec kicks in around 5000rpm.
@neorehling331
@neorehling331 4 жыл бұрын
Can someone send the Link in?
@AS-uz2qz
@AS-uz2qz 4 жыл бұрын
Link to headers???
@Cornfed__
@Cornfed__ 4 жыл бұрын
www.ebay.com/itm/4-2-1-D15-D16-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Header-For-Honda-Civic-Del-Sol-Crx-Sohc-/323042209745
@AS-uz2qz
@AS-uz2qz 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@superbeebaby1
@superbeebaby1 2 жыл бұрын
Mine took 45 min! 🙄
@mrbigbuds1745
@mrbigbuds1745 3 жыл бұрын
Omg is that a subaru 😂
@tylerbuilt_chevy_tough5163
@tylerbuilt_chevy_tough5163 3 жыл бұрын
1320 performance makes unequal length headers for that car I had some and I was not disappointed yall should try it check my KZbin I have some vids of it on my old civic I had
@420ish5
@420ish5 3 жыл бұрын
Oh shit nvm not the same header lol
@kensmechanicalaffair
@kensmechanicalaffair 3 жыл бұрын
No AC.
@АлексейЮхименко-п3ь
@АлексейЮхименко-п3ь 3 жыл бұрын
Lol it will never sound like Subaru rumble.
@frankcastle9648
@frankcastle9648 4 жыл бұрын
give it a good wash bro
@elielmg8mg84
@elielmg8mg84 3 жыл бұрын
Is not a vtec do
@fantonio234
@fantonio234 3 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to hang out with you bro. When it comes to cars you’re my soul mate yo
@brandonb88
@brandonb88 3 жыл бұрын
Sus
@fantonio234
@fantonio234 3 жыл бұрын
@@brandonb88 lmfaooo
@PeterChan-z3v
@PeterChan-z3v Жыл бұрын
Low pro tire
@cleatusjr6063
@cleatusjr6063 4 жыл бұрын
it took yall way too long to install that, rust is no excuse....
@ghakeembrenner5524
@ghakeembrenner5524 Жыл бұрын
The exhaust is leaking 😂 fool
@treygriffin6318
@treygriffin6318 4 жыл бұрын
Yuk
@Luh-Maxo
@Luh-Maxo 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@vanessal7291
@vanessal7291 3 жыл бұрын
Not having that second o2 sensor will throw your check engine light on and make your engine run like shit. I'm sure you gained 0 power or efficiency by installing that header. Waste of time and money. That thing's a piece of shit anyways.
@MrSir-kj1gy
@MrSir-kj1gy 3 жыл бұрын
4 cylinders don't sound good, sounds like trash
@alexfernandez5688
@alexfernandez5688 3 жыл бұрын
I dunno bout dat. With right aftermarket exhaust The 2.3 liter turbo engine found in old mustang svo and thunderbirds sounds just like if not better then my 5.0 v8.
@MrSir-kj1gy
@MrSir-kj1gy 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexfernandez5688 turbos definitely change it
@officerxdoofy4882
@officerxdoofy4882 2 жыл бұрын
Cringe... blocking the channel!
@jeppybogznoit
@jeppybogznoit 3 жыл бұрын
Noobs
@fabian_elcuh6997
@fabian_elcuh6997 2 жыл бұрын
Link for the headers?
@themadnessofmars9331
@themadnessofmars9331 3 жыл бұрын
Link to the headers?
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