Installing a false crotch Preset on limbless trees

[@dario_d9005]

Man this is a great idea. I’m going to use a variation of this and use some cheap hardware store rope as the false crotch and tie it tight to the tree with a loop somewhere on it. I’ll feed my preset paracord through that loop. Then when I want to hunt it using SRT, I will run my climbing line through and girth hitch around the tree. Identically if you were to hang your preset paracord around a sucker branch, just using the hardware store rope instead of the sucker branch. Another great idea, you guys are awesome.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

That's fine for SRT because then your not climbing on cheap hardware store rope your just using it to position the climbing line , just if your going to climb off the false crotch you want to build it with a 600lb WLL so your safe .

[@dario_d9005]

@@NYSaddleHunter absolutely. This would be like SRT’ing around a false sucker branch. That would be a more accurate name for it.

[@justingreber9717]

Another great videp to add to my homescreen for future use....Great idea! Hopefully see you guys at the next get together.

[@Mr333panda]

Great video may be just what I need for a pine tree that is in a perfect spot, but did not what pine sap on my climbing line.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Yes good point I wish we thought of that aspect when we made the video.

[@Mr333panda]

@@NYSaddleHunter Tried installing tether with carabiner around a limb today. Works great, thanks again for your video.

[@underdogoutdoors]

This was a question I always had-- in some of your video's where you said you don't need a branch to use DRT, every piece of knowledge I didn't have yesterday is valuable. I learned a lot from you guys. Glad to see Scott again.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

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[@josephtreadlightly5686]

I haven’t climbed a 🌳 with no branches. But i have had alot of busy poplar 🌳 that ive wanted to hunt. But the lower branches all die off while they grow a canopy of many live smaller branches above. I have 2 of the 4' Dan House friction savers that i wasnt able to preset with 90" of snow & very cold weather we had well into turkey season immediately followed by 5 consecutive days of 90* heat later in April here in central MN. But I'm confident that with that new order i made with u guys in January that i can incorporate this system with that new 9.5 climbing rope. The way i want to do it is with the Dan House installed over 2 branches while the friction saver goes around the wrong side of the 🌳 which leaves u climbing on the right side with no friction climbing with a self tending closed MRS climbing system. This is possible since the Predator 11.4mm rope is not used. I found that the Pinto Pulley works very well when u put a small Italian Wild Edge carabiner to go thru the beckett side of the pulley. I stealth stripped the carabiner as well as the Petzyl oval carabiner on the other side while the Fusion carabiner attached to my bridge is left clean. I didnt find that this rope worked very well with a split-tail system that is open but this setup is really effortless & possibly better than a DMM Hitchclimber which i wouldnt recommended for hunting in a stealthy manner. I'm biking a long way back on all my hunts & im also packing a 4 to 1 mechanical advantage pulley for quartering out a deer. Looking forward to better weather ahead & a lighter setup going in & not too concerned about not going out heavy. 😅

[@davemason7640]

I did something similar using a rescue pulley I got from Amazon. It was on my property so was able to use spurs to set it. Lack of friction made an easy DRT climb.

[@recallthehunt4322]

Nice to see you old man! Great info!

[@kennethrogers1129]

just ordered a 5-20 ft pole, lot of really big tall trees in my woods

[@altorry1083]

Definitely going to use this setup on a couple of spots I have. Thanks guys!

[@FTLiberty]

Awesome video! Great idea.

[@chadgoebel7476]

Another great video!! I will definately be using this in a few key locations.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks how are you feeling ?

[@johndykstra3447]

Good video, and excellent way to set presets in difficult trees. Have either of you considered or done SRT using a pole to set the climbing rope similar to how you set the false crotch tether? Except you actually set the climbing rope, girth hitched with a quick link or through a Figure 8 end loop. I am thinking of and practicing doing so, using a telescoping pole like the Doca pole. I have both the 30 foot and the 24 foot Doca poles and also an 18 ft golf ball retriever that I modified (the lightest and shortest option, but not the most rugged) One could use a shorter telescoping pole and make a move similar to one sticking if the first set wasn't high enough. Set as high as possible, tether off and raise the rope to the next position, and continue climbing. Climbing height would not be limited by the length of the pole. The poles are great for the trees we have here in Maine where we need to deal with a fair number of limbs and surrounding branches to get to the right crotch as well. I have used a throw line and weight in combination with the poles that is quick and quiet. Have also skipped the throw line step and dropped a self unwinding coil of rope over a crotch. I believe there is a You Tube video of that method that I have seen as well. The 30 foot Docapole is great and would get you into about any hunting height you might want, up to about 35+ feet depending on how tall you are. A true 35 ft is a long ways up there!! A bit unwieldy for carrying around hunting any distance at 7 ft long. The 6 foot collapsed length of the 24 ft Doca is easier to get through the woods and will get you set to about 30 feet, again depending on your body height and arm reach. Doesn't weigh much more than a single stick setup. That probably covers most places I would hunt, and again there is the option to further advance your rope as described above. For mobility and weight the golf ball retriever is the lightest and shortest option, but limits your first set to about 23-24 ft. Which is often enough. Again there is the option of getting higher after that first set. I'm finding the poles to be quicker, quieter and less movement around the base of the tree than throwing a weight and line. Also more versatile as I don't have to have a crotch to be able to climb. Your thoughts?

[@paulcrave3112]

I’d give it another “Like” if I could. Good video guys.

[@loujirizarry77]

It's like you read my mind! Great idea. First year in a saddle. Been binging your videos. Your editing skills are getting better every video. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks brother!

[@JakeVickers]

about 1/3 of the trees I want to hunt out of here in NC are 6 feet too far to the first safe branch to DRT on with the kit from Wespur so this will come in handy. I'm not sure it would be less expensive to do this on 5-8 trees vs just buying a longer Predator rope but I may do it on one or two. Thanks!

[@Liam-ql7tr]

Ran into this issue on a out of state hunt (long story short) forced into unknown lands for the day and no tree had usable limbs. Was a frustrating day to say the least and which I was set up properly for this issue.

[@jimjohn6520]

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[@frosstynugs2073]

7K atta baby boys!

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks brother!

[@logansmith3541]

Could you guys do a video on how to SRT climb off of the false crotch? Not sure what knot to use and not have it get bound up in the carabiner.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

@@logansmith3541 sure we can ! I’ll show you another way as well .

[@michaelficarro2591]

Awesome...

[@davidheffron4481]

Great video! I set a false crotch like this today and left it with a carabiner for my climb up. What knot would be best for SRT climbing in this scenario? Would it matter with a carabiner at the top? I've been using the alpine butterfly knot and wonder if that's the best. I could have left a Notch quick link, in hindsight. I thinking the alpine butterfly knot may pull through the carabiner. This could make end of day rope retrieval difficult...

[@NYSaddleHunter]

So if I understand your question I'd say your loops in the preset Ib probably use a figure 8 on a bite or alpine butterfly. I also think a quick link or a locking carabiner on the end is what I'd use.

[@jakesevits9090]

I'm considering making a couple of these from tubular webbing water knotted into a continuous loop and girth hitched around the tree. I was going to use a radius ring from Wesspur instead of a carabiner to save cost, do you have a ring you recommend? I want to buy a quality ring but also want to be as budget friendly as possible as I will likely make several to place around my property for the season.

[@darthvollmer]

Scott made that look way too easy. In a setup like that, where there's very little friction up top, I've had some issues with blake's hitch ( usually too slippy ). Did Scott use any variation on that blake's hitch, like a 5/3 -vs- a 4/2 ?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

So we use a 4 wrap Blake's but you can go 5 wraps. Lots of guys tend to have so trouble setting the Blake's hitch so it bites and holds . The key is setting the Blake's hitch . In this video I share how we set the Blake's hitch kzbin.info/www/bejne/pp2YZXqfi5iXa6M

[@jamesmarsee3297]

So do guys carry those docapoles in with them when they hunt?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

No only setting presets

[@billfoltz6178]

How are you going to get it down at the end of the season?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

So Either same way with a docapole or I personally would tie in with my SRT rope , transition to that , pull the false crotch out and repel out. The nice thing with SRT is you can girth hitch the trunk no limb required. If you dont have SRT gear and you only have DRT gear you could still repel out on a munters hitch on a carabiner or a figure 8

[@cohesive3482]

Can you link to the pole he used here please? I can't find one anywhere. Thanks!

[@NYSaddleHunter]

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[@Liam-ql7tr]

So is. there no issue using a ' carabiner ' to pull rope through as to using a Link / quick Link at the false crotch set up?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

As long as its 24kn or better I don't see an issue with using either. You'd only want to only use a quick link if it's on the girth hitch on the tree and side loaded .

[@AvocaSingleTrack]

Don't do this where you have porcupines...or don't leave it there long. I'm in Delaware county, NY...porcupines eat plastic, rope, tires, engine hoses, belts, wires....Aluminum, galvanized steel ...they'll eat and destroy everything except shingles. Thanks for this idea

[@prec8080]

How safe is it to leave the tether out for a long time? I'm wondering if it would dry rot being in the elements all the time.

[@prec8080]

You guys spoke to this in the video right after I commented hah.

[@jeffsalsieder640]

I am thinking of using chain on a few tress because of the robust squirrel population. I have shot many of their cousins, so they probably would love to have revenge by chewing through one! If I weigh 200 pounds in full hunting gear would chain rated at 2000 pounds be a safe option?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

😆. Yes absolutely. Live load limit is 1/10 of body weight. 👍

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Sorry meant 1/10 of breaking strength at 200 lbs Your fine

[@jeffsalsieder640]

Thanks! Chain gets expensive, but it is peace of mind.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

@@jeffsalsieder640 you could also use cable and girth hitch tree.

[@timahern7214]

Do you ever go around a smaller branch with your preset and then just girth hitch the tree and not the branch

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Yes we do that all the time , it's called "crotching in". Its safer to climb that way when DRT climbing

[@timahern7214]

@@NYSaddleHunter Thanks guy's keep up the great job you are doing on your video's and keeping us safe

[@NYSaddleHunter]

@@timahern7214 Thanks Tim!

[@wolffair1119]

Why not tie the tether to the carabiner instead of using the prusik?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

You could if you know the girth of the tree before hand . The prussic is basically presenting a tether to climb in on and its adustable.

[@TimothyLeMoine1Cor13_4-8]

Do you guys have any thoughts on using a nylon runner as the crotch?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

You could do that too , I'd recommend a climb rated one but yes absolutely

[@paulcrave3112]

Are false crotches considered legal to leave in a tree on public land?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

I doubt any state would even recognize them. Ethically it won't harm the tree and its semi permanent. I'd probably view it like any fixed position tree stand probably. I'd think it might depend on any specific rules in that state but it's such a low impact I wouldn't think it's an issue though it's probably a good idea to possibly remove it after the season just in case

[@vincentlabruzzo5368]

Are you not worried about rodent damage? If this is for a preset you can just put a screw in step and use that as a "limb"

[@NYSaddleHunter]

What we recommend ifvyour concerned about rodents is use 5/16 galvanized cable. It's strong enough, weather, sun light, and critter resistant and it's inexpensive. Sure you could install a screw in steps however if your hunting public land usually not allowed

[@undertheradar9295]

@@NYSaddleHunter I was considering 3/16'' wire rope but thought I should go with 1/4'' to be safe. Is 5/16 really needed? Thanks, love the videos.

[@danielg2253]

Again Great video, love Scott's knowledge. However I saw a video By JB Holdway called "Stem Cinch Set From The Ground" here is the URL kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHXJpaqchstlaZY. He uses a throw line, thrown over a small branch that would not hold a climbers weight, or a higher branch and pulls the cinch up with the throw line. Only downfall have to climb SRT, but I almost always climb SRT. You could with a little modification set a false crotch up this way if you really wanted DRT