Installing Garmin Livescope | What You Need to Know

[@Bassingtv]

Finally someone that actually explained all we need

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@Bassingtv glad it was helpful for you! Thanks for watching!

[@samedgin9435]

By far the most helpful livescope install video. Really broke it down for anyone to understand. Really appreciate you showing the switch install as well.

[@myrondel]

Austin, nice job communicating clearly and accurately. I watched the video to see if there were any additional ideas related to DYI mount ideas. Although there wasn't what I was looking for I was impressed by how well you communicated the technical aspects of the Live Scope. BTW typically an electrician uses an additional wire when pulling wires not a rope, it's much smaller and easier because of the wire insulation slides easier. Anyway you brought hope back to me regarding the younger generation and the incompetence I see everywhere. Thank you for the video.

[@BradHagler]

We’re not all incompetent :) No electrical experience at all minus the willpower to research, I rewired and replumbed my entire boat and added about 12 new accessories. This is next. Cant wait

[@Everydayfishing]

Thanks for sharing all the good info! If you mount the box further back from the graph, I would recommend just buying a longer ethernet cable instead of buying an adapter cable. You can buy a 6 meter small connector ethernet for about $50 now.

[@allenupnorth2191]

from Garmin or anywhere

[@frankfiore2108]

You guys covered it! Having just installed it this year, I can tell you that this video is really helpful. Keep up the good work.

[@FillMolar]

I actually use a tape measure to run stuff up and down the bottom of the hull. I zip tie the wires to it and run it up.

[@cheetoz6902]

Great video but I went with a 18v Ryo bi X2 for power to 12xsv and gls10 works perfect and very little wire to deal with .great vid

[@jefferyhugh3464]

Enjoyed the video. I do have a question about the black box. Can I install it in the back of the boat and run the wire to the front of the boat to the transducer? Thanks for your help.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

You can. Two things that limit you are transducer length and network cable. Both have extensions you can buy though. Just depends on your boat length

[@joee681]

Everything You need to know and more, Thank You 👍👍 Subscribed

[@335elkhunter]

Great video. Thanks!

[@AstrosErin]

How has that swing arm mount held up now that it's been installed for a couple of years? I am looking to buy the same thing and set it up similarly, just want to know if you had to upgrade to something more substantial. It looks rock solid but a wave over the bow at 50mph has a lot of force. Don't ask me how I know, lol.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@AstrosErin it held up great with no issues! Just make sure you use beefy screws, or bolts if possible.

[@DavidMccallister65]

It's so crazy to me that Nitro put the gas tanks back there with all the batteries and electrical wires😬🔥

[@DannyBTalks]

That was just very common in older boats. My 2007 ProCraft, I’ve got a MASSIVE gas tank right in front of my cranking battery.

[@aspenswisher826]

Pretty sure 95% of companies do that

[@DavidMccallister65]

@@aspenswisher826 yes most used to. Not as much anymore

[@garagedoortec4083]

I’d put the transducer on the side not on the trolley motor so I can point it wherever I want manually cuase I sometimes use my trolley motor for a anchor

[@garagedoortec4083]

Nice work man!

[@paulskog22]

I wanted to see how you ran the big wires running from the live scope box to the trolling motor and the graf did you drill big holes in the boat or what cause that cable is a big damn thing ?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

On my Phoenix I was able to not drill any holes, but I had to put the big cable in first and then squeeze all of my other cables in after. I believe Nathan had to drill out the plastic cover a bit for the connector to fit. It is definitely a big connector. We were both able to fish tape/stick our hands down through the opening enough to grab the cables, if you need to fish tape it’s easiest to start from the hole in the bow and run it into the rod box, then pull everything back to you.

[@The4blade]

Great video, thank you.

[@jacksonxiong8683]

Which longer network do I need. Will the longer network cable connects to the original one.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@jacksonxiong8683 amzn.to/3Ats0U7 this replaces the one that comes with it

[@jacksonxiong8683]

Can u send me a link which one I need

[@phoenix0336]

Hello sir, I ran across this video on garmin and livescope installation....my question is about the 10,8&6 AWG wire....do you need all three wiring or one of the three, thanks for the instructive video.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Just one of the three depending on the distance. On a bass boat 10 is fine to power just the black box. If it’s near the console

[@phoenix0336]

First I would like to thank you for getting back with me and I have a 16' tracker which I plan on mounting mine up front and hopefully everything will work out. Once again thanks for a great video, very helpful.

[@sethwheeler7811]

GREAT video fellas! Do you guys see much interference on the Garmin or the Lowrance electronics since both transducers are so close together on that trolling motor?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

I have experienced no interference between either my Lowrance or Garmin graphs with the transducers being as close as they are.

[@Bassingtv]

I have 2 93sv 1st gen with a 54trans they both come with panoptixs but what’s the difference between that and livescope also would live scope work with that same graph?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@Bassingtv livescope will work with that, you’ll click on the panoptix screen on the 93sv to get to livescope. Panoptix was just the predecessor of Livescope. Same concept, just a larger beam with less detail and not quite as effective

[@Bassingtv]

@ what screen or graph do you recommend getting to get the best view for livescope?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@ 8616 is the best screen and resolution. I have a 126sv and it serves me well. Some people are buying smaller 8600 series and linking them to 16” or 22” NBT screens as well

[@ThatFishingGuy89]

So is there a separate set of power wires going to both the head unit and the black box? Or does it just go to the black box?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Separate set. Graph needs its own power as well as the black box.

[@ThatFishingGuy89]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience thank you!

[@mtayloroutdoors]

My boat came with two power switches, one for trolling motor batteries one for all other electronics. Do you think I still need a power switch just for the black box? Thanks.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Ideally yes. 99% of boats from the factory do not have adequate wiring for todays electronics. It depends what size wire they have in there from the factory though. Also having it on a dedicated circuit can help reduce interference, you could try it and see what happens though if they have at least 10 gauge wire in it from the factory.

[@timross7046]

Does livescope Blackbox have to be programed through active captain ?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

No it’s ready to go. Now if you want to update it to a new version then you can use active captain or a SD card into the unit.

[@Will-ih1xk]

The power switch in the back. is it going to one battery or do you have it going positive on one battery and negative on the other ?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Going to one battery. Only on the positive leg.

[@joebass4947]

Power question - does the gls 10 box and sonar/chartplotter get dedicated power? So 1 switch with 10awg run to the gls 10 box and another switch with 10awg run to the sonar/chartplotter?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Yes on the dedicated power, but you can put them both on the same switch. 1 run of 10awg for the GLS10 and 1 run of 10 for graphs, all controlled on the same switch.

[@kendragon2827]

I know this is an older video, but I ordered livescope 34 plus from bass pro and it says the perspective mode mount is included. Is this the adjustable one? i get i tomorrow

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Yes that is the perspective mount!

[@philh.363]

How far apart are the mount holes on the module?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

That is a great question. I’d have to measure.

[@chrisfoley3320]

Great job guys, getting ready to do this install 😁. One question, does the sonar unit have to have a separate power source or does it get power from the black box.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Separate power source for the actual unit (screen)

[@chrisfoley3320]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience Thanks 👍

[@drstifler]

I need some education on the F8ah 250v cable. What are the blue and brown wires for? I have read the install manual and I cannot find a section about that cable. Did you put the and negative on an accessory wire or did you run separate wires to the battery for that? Thanks

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

I’m assuming you’re talking about the power cable to your unit, as I believe the GLS10 power cable only has a positive and negative. The brown and blue wires are NMEA 0183 data output/input. They aren’t used most of the time as NMEA 2K has replaced them because it is more efficient at transferring data. As far as your unit power goes, either run dedicated runs to the battery, or make a large gauge run from the battery to a fuse panel, then individual runs from there. Your goal is to reduce voltage drop as much as possible to the unit.

[@kazengen911]

my voltage starts off at 12v with my hds live 12, hds live 9, and the garmin 1022 with livescope. within the first 15min the voltage will drop to 11.9. my batteries are usually fully charged. we are using 10 gauge wire. what do you think it could be? not sure why my voltage is at 11.9 at the beginning of the day. I have the same battery as yours and i just bought it 3 weeks ago.

[@supersetfishing1435]

hey nice video very helpful. could you tell me where you got the aluminum for the mount

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Go to any local fabrication or machine shop and ask if you can have or buy a small piece. They usually have scrap pieces that are big enough for something like this.

[@gapingtonbobuah9299]

Crazy that Garmin doesn’t have a remote turn on. That just activates when it sees 12v so you can just install toggle switch.

[@hunte567]

Thanks for the video. Are the livescope power wire and the front graph power wire connected together by the black box? Thanks again

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

No they are independently powered. The black box is the processor for livescope and only controls the transducer power/imaging and sends the data to the graph for display purposes.

[@MizzouGuy]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience Thank you for the video. I think you answered this in different threads. Would it be best to run the cable from the battery to a fuse panel and then connect all 3 to the fuse panel (Livescope, Echomap, and GLS 10)? It looks like one of the boats is straight to the GLS 10, so how did you power the LiveScope and Display for power? Thanks!

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@MizzouGuy that is how my boat is. #6 to a fuse panel and all electronics powered off of it. Nathan’s boat has individual runs from battery to the front for gls10 and graphs.

[@MizzouGuy1970]

@Midwest Outdoor Experience thanks, did you run #6 to all the electronics from the fuse panel too? I have only found the GLS wire requirements so far.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@MizzouGuy1970 no, I ran #10 or #12 individually from the fuse panel. GLS10 was #10 for sure, I think my graphs I did #12 independent and there’s basically no voltage drop for low amperage on such a short run.

[@JIgginCrappie]

Do you have separate battery just for the livescope or is it wired into your trolling motor batteries?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Wired into the starting battery. Don’t use TM batteries you’ll get interference

[@cbenninger]

What size screws do you use to mount the black box?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

I think 1/4” or 3/16” bolts work well. If you’re screwing it in, just something with a decent size panhead will do the trick.

[@cbenninger]

Thank you! Much appreciated! Thank you for making great content! Love following it!

[@zoranreljic6541]

How do u like that 9 inch screen? Is it too small or not? I m thinking to buy it for ice fishing

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Works good for us. Ideally I would get a 12” Garmin and make my lowrance 9” though. 9” would be perfect for ice fishing

[@jeremiahalmos2643]

Do I have to buy the network cable separately?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

The short network cable comes with it. You’ll need to buy the extension if you need it.

[@jeremiahalmos2643]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience thanks. Just setting it up for ice ATM. So the short will be perfect

[@ribbs67]

I have 2 Garmin 106sv that I want to be able to connect to the Livescope. How would I wire them up to the black box? Is there only 1 network hum in the black box?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

If each 106sv has two network ports they will all tie together. If not you’ll have to get a GMS10

[@ribbs67]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience Thanks yes they have 2 network ports

[@jonahurban8972]

Can you get live scope with the echo map uhd 95sv?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Yes it’s compatible

[@JB-ct8kf]

What do you use your lowrance for if u got the garmin?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Mapping and 2D

[@175firefighter]

We're 100% certain that the black box pulls power all the time even when your Power switch is turned off??? I was going to wire mine to a 6-way fuse hub which is powered by my main power switch on the dash.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Yes it does. That’s fine, just make sure the main is turned off when you’re not using the boat or charging batteries

[@flipper2473]

Hello, so if I get a deep cycle 80 amp hours battery, I should get at least 15 hours of fishing at 5 amp depletion per hour? I found a size 27 deeo cycle with either 80 or 100 ah

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

That is correct. I would subtract some time off the hours to be on the safe side. You'll get 12 hours at least, but may get up to 15 or more depending on actual load variation.

[@flipper2473]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience thanks, just wanted to be sure

[@BassFishing8247]

Where can I find that cable keeper that goes at the top of the ultrex

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Factory keeper for ultrex wiring or the extra one I have on there?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Google rubber coated clamp. Any hardware store should have them

[@mick6426]

on your boat , where did you get the small fuse panel ? i may install that panel like yours in the similar location to Nathans. Then power 2 head units (106 and 93) and livescope box too. did you run #6 from battery to switch then #6 again from switch to fuse panel ?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

I got it off of Amazon. It’s a Blue Sea brand, there’s several styles and sizes. They’re all rock solid. Yes I ran #6 exactly how you described it.

[@charliemoseley2233]

Have you guys had any trouble with your unit popping out of the case

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

No, although I did have mine start to get kind of wiggly in the cradle after a year and a half. I called garmin and they sent a new one overnight, it’s been good since then.

[@ribbs67]

What amps were the blue seas red switches did you use? Thsnks

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

300 Amp. The link is to them is in the description

[@ribbs67]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience Thanks for the quick reply I thought I looked in there but I must have missed it!

[@willdaugherty627]

Is there a reason you didn’t use a relay to toggle the power from the console instead of switching the 8 ga supply line?

[@sgicinto]

I live at The Lake of the Ozarks. Looking to upgrade all my electronics. I want to make sure I have the right power. Did you get your battery local?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Batteries plus. Odyssey or pro guide would be another good choice, but hard to beat the X2 for price, warranty, and specs.

[@kazengen911]

i noticed that my 1022 and livescope came with a 6 amp glass fuse, they don't make 6amp fuse for the square fuses so my only option is to use a 5amp fuse or a 7amp fuse. I wired everything into a fusebox but the fusebox don't take a glass fuse. which fuse do you use? what size?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

You have two choices. Either put in a 5 amp (rather be on the lower end) or put a larger fuse in the fuse holder and make your connection to the panel, but have your glass fuse inline still. A little goofy, but it will just bypass the fuse panel and blow the glass fuse if there’s ever an issue. Hopefully that makes sense

[@kazengen911]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience thanks for the reply. yes. right now i have a 5amp in and was just wondering if I'm losing out on anything with the smaller fuse.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@kazengen911 no you’re not losing out on anything. They over fuse the units by about 150% of their max amp draw. I’d have to look at the unit specs, but I’d bet you’d never be able to get to that amperage without a fault of some sort

[@rickstrawn6591]

Like the video great job.Where did you get the rubber loop at the trolling motor head and where did you connect it too.Thanks Rick

[@liltoasty]

I have that X2 battery and with all of the electronics I have it doesn't really provide the necessary power to operate long periods of time. I ran all of my electronics to a separate lithium 126 amp/h battery.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

It does pretty good for us. After a long day with minimal running it’s ready for a charge. What is your charger setup with 1 lithium? I’m assuming you have 5 batteries

[@liltoasty]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience At the stern I have all AGM batteries. I have the Ionic battery in my starboard rod locker. You can check out the video on my KZbin channel

[@mrb9502]

Is the GLS 10 splash proff?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Splash proof momentarily yes. Waterproof not really. It’s rated as an IPX7 per the Ingress Protection Code so technically it could be submerged, but I wouldn’t count on it. Best to have it covered up and protected from the elements.

[@bradyweinert7616]

When you have your batteries charging how come on the battery disconnect still shows power when you have the battery disconnect on the off position. Is this normal? I just installed mine and I want to make sure I’m okay. When you unplug the charger and put the volt meter back on the wires it shows 0volts when the battery disconnect is on the off mode. Will that short anything out or blow the inline fuse?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

I’m having trouble understanding your question. Are you saying voltage on the source side of the disconnect switch in the off position?

[@bradyweinert7616]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience yeah, I have 12 volts in the wires when the switch is in the off position only when the battery itself is charging. Once it’s off the charger is states 0 volts as it should due to the switch being in the off position. Is this normal? Will it blow the fuse going to the black box when unplugging the charger?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@bradyweinert7616 ok let me make sure I’m understanding this. You have 12v going to your electronics passed the switch in the off position…but only when the batteries are on the charger?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@bradyweinert7616 that is not normal. There should be no voltage on the other side of the switch in the off position. Did you check continuity of the switch? Or make sure nothing is connected from the battery past the switch?

[@bradyweinert7616]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience the only thing that is also connected to that battery is the power that’s feeding the graph. Will I short anything out?

[@LarsonFishing]

Wires, man I hate messy wires. It’s so hard to keep it uniform when it comes to boat wiring 😂

[@dallinklein1396]

How can I ground the black box?? Running a 32 AMPED outdoor battery dedicated to LiveScope

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Run a separate wire from the negative post to the box. You could also tap off your negative heading to the box, or from your dedicated fuse panel if that’s what you’re using. It’s really only a true necessity to ground the black box on an aluminum boat, on FG it’s just an extra precaution to eliminate any possible interference.

[@dallinklein1396]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience negative post from the battery we are using for LiveScope? We have the 32ah right next to the box...so you’re saying like a 2 foot jumper from the negative post to the box?

[@dallinklein1396]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience 175 Stinger Lowe

[@dallinklein1396]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience running a 93 we didn’t see much noise at all but we switched to a 1222 and we can’t see much of our jigs falling at 30ft...pretty frustrating.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@dallinklein1396 try that first. If you see no improvement then try running to the negative post of your starting battery. I would use long temporary cables with clamps to experiment before you spend the time truly running wires.

[@chrispezzetta1077]

Can you provide the extension cable name or serial number?

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Garmin Network Cables 010-12528-00

[@mikefretto4916]

What is that switch called

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Blue Sea Systems. There’s multiple versions for controlling/isolating multiple batteries or components. The single pole version is what’s in our boats.

[@tonyparsley641]

So only two wires to the fish finder

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Power, transducer, and network cable

[@stepitup5409]

really wish you had better lighting when you show stuff in the dark areas.

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@stepitup5409 us too! I’m actually going to be making a refresher video in a week or two. Upgrading to a LVS 34

[@JonR35]

Did I miss you installing cables to head unit? That's why I watched

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

It’s not in the video. Only one cable from the GLS10 to your unit. That is the network cable that looks like an Ethernet RJ45 connector at the unit.

[@JonR35]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience ok so I have my steady cast to nema 2k. Will that be an issue? Or do I just plug from blk box to the pan optics port in my 73sv and done

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

@@JonR35 Won't be an issue. NMEA 2k uses it's own connector. Just plug in to the pan optics port and you're good to go.

[@JonR35]

@@MidwestOutdoorExperience sweet! Thanks! This is all on my kayak lol

[@69Bowhunter]

You wouldn’t happen to have the part number for the 10 foot extension network cable ??????

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

www.basspro.com/shop/en/100806616-garmin-small-connector-marine-network-cable-100806616?hvarAID=shopping_googleproductextensions&ds_e=GOOGLE&ds_c=Shop%7CBPS%7CTopPerformers%7CBoating&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5PGFBhC2ARIsAIFIMNcilxfwef5eEbEvSGVMKi3pn_mBIPtH30ShCtffUIavfetb7zZ4WoQaAvyqEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds This is a 6 meter network extension cord

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

100806616-garmin-small-connector-marine-network-cable-100806616 Hopefully you noticed that was actually the transducer cable Extension, this is the network cable.

[@jasonbrogdon1]

Couldnt follow the part of doing the network cable or doing power for your graph or the graph connections. You skipped over all of it

[@MidwestOutdoorExperience]

Network cable is straight to the box and unit. Power is the same thing except individual runs, one to the graph one to the black box. You’ll only have 3 connections at the graph. Network, livescope transducer, and power

[@joncinc6485]

now its a LOWrance

[@megalivehotshotcrappiefishing]

I created a fully automatic remote control for live view transducers to put in and out of landscape. The Shade Tree Engineer youtube channel