Installing Mac OS X on an Apple TV - Krazy Ken's Tech Misadventures

[@ComputerClan]

Enjoy the new video, guys! Also, next week, I'll post the first "Lit Mobile" follow-up episode, so be sure to tune in for that! Also, special thanks to Linode for sponsoring this video.

[@orlandoarroyo7278]

Still no arrival yet?

[@SudosFTW]

DISREGARD my chat comment about needing the intel i915 kext. you need the one for the GeForce Go 7300, Details are in this insanelymac thread: www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/129035-geforce-go-7300/ as far as getting it going, and it looks like you need to use... NVInject?

[@TobStonk]

Could it even load linode?

[@kevin34ct]

Should have installed an SSD using a SATA to PATA daughterboard. It would be marginally faster.

[@deadbobomb6445]

Learn to pin your comments

[@andrewmontigue]

Finally, a high quality video showing the Apple TV 1st Gen running OS X.

[@pr9334]

Ikr

[@lachlanscott2250]

Legit been waiting for this

[@8834]

Imagine if it was just 144p lol

[@andrive]

Ikr

[@JamesnLollify]

@@rodrigochen7927 Find a second gen. I'm pretty sure those on older versions of tvOS (Pre-iOS, Pre-True tvOS) ran on modified Mac OS, so you could possibly get Windows 10 on there. Why? Because to handle Mac OS X better, It most likely would have a Core processor instead of a Pentium or Celeron.

[@jamiechampion299]

The Apple TV doesn't have a Core M, those weren't a thing until 2014. The Apple TV uses the Pentium M.

[@dsmandras]

Jamie Champion yeah it was a Pentium M. Based off the Pentium III

[@Nicolas-qc3jf]

wait, so you're telling me pentium cpus are hackintoshable? what?? isn't a core 2 duo the bare minimum?

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

@@Nicolas-qc3jf Nope, Pentium M could run the earliest Mac OS X Intel builds. I ran it on a Pentium M HP laptop back in the day. I don't know if Snow Leopard will work, though. The Core Solo in the very first generation Intel Mac Mini was basically a Pentium M - Core Solo was technically a single-core Core Duo, and Core Duo was basically a dual-core Pentium M.

[@mspeter97]

@@Nicolas-qc3jf The Apple DTK ran on a Pentium 4 so yeah, they had Mac OS running on stuff earlier than a Core 2. And by earlier I mean the CPU needs to support SSE3

[@IchWillNicht0119]

@@Nicolas-qc3jf Ran a hackintoshed Compaq laptop with a Celeron M CPU for 3 years, which is the same generation as a Merom-L Core 2 Solo. Ran Snow Leopard with Quartz even better than the native Vista with Aero. The first-year Macbooks used 32-bit Core Duos and as others have said the dev kits used Pentium 4s.

[@windowsvista1559]

Yo Ken The reason why Tiger doesn’t run well on the Apple TV 1st Gen is because of the lack of working hardware acceleration (when you deleted those Nvidia Kexts) Leopard doesn’t have problems with the Nvidia Kexts I recently got macOS X Leopard running on the Apple TV 1st Gen that is fully bootable, it also has QE/CI Hw acceleration working already if you want a hard drive image of it

[@CGGaT]

I can make a vista profile pic better than that

[@BilisNegra]

Cool! Really wish they'll try that (if there's really going to be a follow up episode at all, that is). Otherwise would be happy to see it demoed elsewhere. Really interesting.

[@appleinfl]

This and one of those PATA m.2 adapters with an SSD would be interesting to see

[@gioelececchinii]

yo windows vista send me an installation disc and s valid ultimate product key

[@shane3455]

Id love a copy of that hard drive image too!?

[@DrDuckey]

With only 256MB of RAM, it's probably swapping to disk whenever you [min/max]imize windows. Run Activity Monitor to see what it's doing exactly. It may also have something to do w/ not having QE/CI.

[@Kbrooks777]

Mark Jorgensen came here to say exactly that lol.

[@ebisuminoru]

They even made it onboard RAM maybe they never intended for anyone to boot MacOS on this

[@icraftcrafts8685]

DosDude1 has added ram in 2022

[@HughJeffreys]

Thats awesome!

[@ComputerClan]

Yeah! Thanks for watching. I'm surprised it worked on the first try. Well… Brent is way smarter than me, so I guess it wasn't a surprise. x_x

[@alisonbolinger8700]

Only one reply, till now!

[@FOSSware_360]

@@alisonbolinger8700 Excuse me... Count again

[@vinitapitambaran6615]

Hi hugh I'm your fan

[@Ymediarchives]

Hugh Jeffreys And Computer Clan!!!

[@Diegoooooo]

Me: Can i get a mac mini! Mom: We have a mac mini Mac at home

[@carlosortiz1224]

Mac n cheese

[@8834]

Mac "mini"

[@naraydaniels7832]

Nvm mom thx

[@andrive]

Lol

[@virtualtools_3021]

mac miniest

[@revcrussell]

Technically since the Apple TV is apple hardware it technically doesn't break the licence agreement. Absolute genius.

[@antikommunistischaktion]

**Me running El Capitan in a KVM instance on Arch Linux** What license agreement?

[@VBottasG]

Same on unsupported macOS

[@e.6z1]

@@antikommunistischaktion i use Arch btw

[@Reichstaubenminister]

@@e.6z1 Sent from my iPhone

[@rockpie.iso.tar.bz2]

@@antikommunistischaktion Me running Catalina in a VMware Workstation 16 VM on Windows 10: no one reads the license agreement

[@name_here___4070]

Fun fact: on Mac, pressing [shift] + [command] + [.] shows hidden files.

[@ims2129]

Pretty sure that shortcut was only introduced in Yosemite/El Capitan

[@gbfgtki]

It was introduced in Sierra ;)

[@MatiEP09]

@GD Marble010 nope

[@MaximNightFury]

Took them plenty of time... All the desktop environments I've used has that, but Alt+.

[@orlandoarroyo7278]

So this was how the mac mini was invented.....

[@BilisNegra]

Except the mini predates this machine by over two years, with the first iteration coming up in the very late PowerPC era.

[@MaddTheSane]

@@BilisNegra That was the boxy version. The squatter version and Apple TV 1 came out around the same time.

[@BeesonsCars]

Madd the Sane the squatter version came out in 2009 or so. The Apple TV first generation came out in 2006-2007.

[@jellepetje]

The first flat aluminum Mac mini was introduced in mid-2010. Before that it was the older smaller but taller aluminum and white design which came from the G4 Mac mini which was introduced in 2005. In 2006 it went intel up to the last version in this design the late-2009. Meanwhile, the Apple TV was officially introduced in 2007 and previewed as a hobby project in 2006.

[@dominic0305]

"It's not going to that fast, because it has a spinning hard drive and a Core M" Me with a hard drive and an i7: *bottleneck intensifies*

[@sadmac356]

Ouch. I feel that pain

[@rockpie.iso.tar.bz2]

Me with an SSD and a 4th gen i5: *bottleneck intensification intensifies*

[@KaiCheetah]

Ken as a fellow Mid 07 iMac user it makes me happy to see one on the show

[@TimMonk1911]

Pentium M, NOT Core M.

[@andrive]

Yep

[@WalnutSpice]

"Do you have your installation media for Tiger?" "No!" Idk why but that got me

[@hiimlunaaaa]

9:59 i like how in the reflection of the screen you can see how genuine their reactions were

[@JohnMackweb]

What’s the most graphical program you think this’ll run? Ken: M a i l

[@taa6356]

I am Japanese and watch your videos using automatic translation. I love your videos!

[@crashbandicoot4everr]

I believe that the slow animations, apart from QE/CI acceleration that doesn't work, is because of the incorrect CPU busratio frequency. You may notice that the clock is also slow. (like in Sys prefs - > date and time).

[@billermanthegreat]

With all of that hair, you would think these guys have a hair dryer around to remove that nasty ass glue.

[@tommy-jf4xh]

Yuck

[@tommy-jf4xh]

No shower taking ahh lmao 💀

[@sadmac356]

Probably just didn't think of it at the time

[@MaxOakland]

Is PATA the same thing as IDE?

[@ComputerClan]

IDE was reverse-acronymed as PATA. It can be confusing because it seems like people are just throwing terms around. IDE uses a parallel connection with the ATA standard, so the "P" got thrown onto there. Boom. "PATA".

[@yueibm]

I think the sound might be inductor whine. The DC-DC inverter's inductors could be carrying higher peak currents or having larger changes in current flowing through, causing the coil to vibrate more due to magnetic forces. Inductors don't have to be so audible - they can have silastic to prevent/absorb vibrations, or would tightly enough against its ferrite core. Thanks for another great episode!

[@KOSMOS1701A]

Blent, Ken's new best friend.

[@nelizmastr]

That's what you get when you remove the Nvidia kexts. The Geforce 7300Go in these is pretty good otherwise.

[@thereason1010]

Call out to Adiblasi? Wow you know you're an old school KZbin user when this happens! Well done Ken! Golden era!

[@desther7975]

Surely it's still too soon to be talking about "old school KZbin" anything.

[@thebristolbruiser]

Does the component video still work properly?

[@carterhobson310]

Great Video! Is there a way to install macOS on a USB to then boot off of on the Apple TV? Or put the os installer on the usb and boot that from the Apple TV? And would the process be the same for MacOS leopard?

[@skesinis]

Could you also try the opposite and run the TV OS on the iMac by swapping/bless(ing) the kernel with the one from the Tiger OS X, along with the EFI and the nVidia & ethernet kernel extensions that it needs? (Or even all of them) Maybe it will boot that way and if it does it should definitely be much faster than the AppleTV itself. Also on dd you can press Ctrl-T at anytime to see the status/performance and you can also use ddrescue instead of dd if you install it through Mac ports or through the Homebrew project along with a lot of other Linux utilities.

[@HB-Productions]

I’ve heard of this being done but it’s great to see it been done in HD and well documented. Nice work folks!

[@MaximNightFury]

The 1st generation Apple TV used an Intel Pentium M, it is not based off the Core M, since that series of processors did not come out until 2014

[@brandonh1613]

also, you could speed it up a bit by using an SSD (using an IDE to SATA converter) but I'm not entirely sure how the older Mac OS X would react to the newer solid-state storage, my guess it would be that it detects it as a USB although I don't think that would happen because you're using the SATA interface, it will be interesting nonetheless to see what happens

[@sugarbooty]

PATA*

[@IAmMan-]

Using a pata to msata adapter, I get about 82MB/s with instant seeking times, but I've never tried OSX with this. This is probably the best way to go, as you wont have any problems closing the case, can remove the fan and make it totally silent (the case will be cooler using a msata with the fan disabled, than with the fan active + a spinning disk) and it's also seems to be the fastest, almost saturating the 100MB/s PATA interface). I also have a pata to sata adapter that i got ages ago and with this I got about 60-66MB/s. I remember that using this, OSX Leopard 10.5.8 "wasnt too bad". Using the msata adapter should be even better. The fast SSD is almost like getting extra ram.

[@aidenbagshaw5573]

“Conveniently, that is the exact version on this disk!” Wow, as someone who does a lot of debugging, you may as well have just won the lottery.

[@JimNichols]

The hair behind the ear pieces of the glasses just made me scream silently for 29 minutes. Really brainiac Brent??? really?

[@richardcarlson127]

4:39 That is a shock pad, they use an adhesive tape to keep it in place. They get gummy after a few years.

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

I got excited when the AppleTV boot logo showed up on the Mac. That would be really funny to see.

[@empyrical]

You can use the key combination CTRL+T to see the progress of the `dd` command

[@theswaff699]

Windows: change boot order MacOS: THIS DRIVE HAS BEEN BLESSED BY STEVE JOBS

[@Logicalx]

Man it’s like I’ve travelled back to the early 2000’s with that hair!

[@OSSHeadquarters]

17:34 Best Brainiac -Blent- Brent moment right there!

[@graphicsgod]

Since you backed up the Apple TV software, can you hack it to run on "newer" hardware?? Like a Hackintosh?

[@graphicsgod]

Love to see this image put online for Apple hackers..

[@LevelUp_ErikJ]

Congrats. You guys made the very first Mac Air.

[@enzopissani]

Well. now i gotta pull out my TV from the drawer to experiment too, awesome video dudes! always wanted to do that but didn't think it was possible

[@hmvocaloid7360]

The inside of it is honestly pretty cool

[@birdnerd9437]

1:40 Flashbacks to KKTM #50 with the "Well, there goes our effects budget." moment. One of my favorite scenes from the series.

[@Cyber_Horse_Studios87]

“What do you think the most intensive app this thing will be able to run is?” “MAIL.”

[@samuelsalt3890]

Just came from the PS5 Event, Great Video Ken 👍🏻

[@lavacreeperbossb9376]

16:03 or just use CMD+SHIFT+. as in the period

[@ComputerClan]

That didn't work. We looked that up. It works in newer systems, but I guess not in Tiger. That is a cool trick, though! I learned it recently! Super handy.

[@lavacreeperbossb9376]

@@ComputerClan Oh, nevermind then. I didn't know it doesn't work on tiger. Thanks for the reply!

[@LostieTrekieTechie]

Back in 2010 or so our school have each student a MacBook. Front row was disabled for some reason, but it would spawn a pop-up that would re-appear each time you hit "ok". If you didn't like someone you could hit command-escape on their laptop and they'd have a pop-up that wouldn't go away until they rebooted their computer.

[@ChelmsfordIT]

I had OS X 10.6 running on one of these a while ago.

[@MaxOakland]

That so cool. How did it run?

[@thesnatcher721]

yeah i got debian installed on my gen1 apple tv, and it can't get into the login screen..... maybe i'll try install mac os x on it sometime

[@nismoklutchkicker]

Finding one of those original apple TV's without the bottom deteriorating like that would be shocking.

[@scottzekanis]

Lol, got one sitting here.

[@alifmumtaaz]

So impressed now to break through tge computer thingy 👍

[@M364A]

"brent is gonna bless the hard drive" brent: bless you hard drive

[@lucymorrison]

Apple literally having a “lock” checkbox that works on critical system files is hysterical

[@dafoex]

Not sure what funnier: this, or having to type "Yes, now do as I say" into the terminal when you try to remove critical system files on *nix

[@TheGlitchyMario]

where can I find those kexts?

[@Aiden_campbell0551]

I missed this. I hope he does more of these misadventures episodes soon. I like the tech talk, but I like these a little more to be honest

[@ithinkitspickingupalittleb8011]

omg suffering!! thank you

[@JimmyHodge698]

can you put windows 7 on the apple TV

[@tylermator]

He really do be looking like jar jar binks had a love child with Sinjin from victorious

[@devnol]

Why is this comment so not incorrect

[@falconfx4042]

Just a thought, maybe it was already suggested but would a PATA to SATA converter gizmo thing and a SATA SSD help with the performance?

[@nano_dank]

7:48 dd does give you feedback, you just need to include "status=progress" at the end of the command. Also, I really like your haircut, Ken!

[@jsubuntuxp]

"status=progress" was added to GNU's dd in 2014. By this point, GNU was shipping its coreutils (which included dd) under the GPLv3 license, which companies like Apple try to avoid.

[@kristiansims]

Yep, macOS’s dd does not have this unfortunately. You need the gnu dd or some kind of pipe viewer.

[@nickwallette6201]

In another terminal: ps -A dd (Get the PID) kill -USR1 You can also use: watch -n 30 kill -USR1 ... to update automatically every 30 sec.

[@DNMMRDR]

Pressing crtl + t will print dd's output to terminal on any FreeBSD based dd, such as macos :)

[@nano_dank]

I thought that it was the same thing as the dd in *nix. Thanks everyone for correcting me!

[@JeffCD77]

Brainiac Brent on the otherhand, did not get a haircut.

[@vondahe]

Please allow us to sponsor a haircut. It wasn’t cool in 1973 and it’s no better in 2020.

[@felixband3000]

I want more of this, this is amazing! Please make a followup episode! :D

[@ComputerClan]

I might! I gotta do some research first, but if I discover worth-while stuff, I will do a follow-up!

[@Castawhere]

@@ComputerClan windows 10 on Apple TV?

[@Castawhere]

@@ComputerClan or linux

[@TOMI-ro7yr]

@@ComputerClan gaming on it. Try it

[@Allgone-b4k]

That stereo sound, awwww you guys made at 19mins 07seconds that was worth the wait, made me laugh. Well done boys

[@chemergency]

Is it possible to do anything like this on a second-gen apple TV?

[@DangerousPictures]

on newer dd versions you can add the "status=progress" flag to have a progress printout

[@madson-web]

What can be done in therms of modding about those newer apple tv?

[@aIexloI]

When it was stuck on the blue screen when you were shutting it down it was trying to say “ *it is now safe to turn off your computer* “

[@WarhavenSC]

10:32 -- Yeah, back in the day, I had replaced the boot png with the logo that's on the side of Serenity from Firefly. :D

[@anata.one.1967]

15:50 Instead of doing that just press "cmd + shift + . "

[@mrparalyzed6024]

That means, you can Boot Camp it and run Windows

[@mrparalyzed6024]

@@ForestGrieferMC_YT haha, Windows TV is such a weird name, good thing Microsoft is not using that name lel

[@stuckinthebentclouds3790]

It might have an outdated boot rom

[@desther7975]

@@ForestGrieferMC_YT Windows XP Media Center Edition!

[@armeniancrusader301]

ツLCEA yea , run nothing higher than windows XP since any newer windows would struggle to run on it.

[@TheTechDudeYT]

I’ve been trying to do this for a year! I never knew how to lol. I need to try this!

[@ComputerClan]

Have fun!

[@desther7975]

You never knew how to lol? This has taught you to lol?

[@TheTechDudeYT]

Ivan Karamazov Haha. Siiiick comedy bro.

[@lastnamechico]

I was able to run Mac OS Yosemite on a Intel Celeron 847 on a Virtual Machine on Windows 10 on a netbook

[@Ordlnary_Gamer]

what the

[@RWL2012]

This was already done years ago but I'm still going to watch this :P

[@commandpost1]

Oh you know what, maybe the GPU isn’t optimized like there’s no graphics driver because it’s not a standard GPU. Maybe when they developed the Apple TV, they created custom kernel kexts for the specialized Nvidia GPU built in

[@ComputerClan]

I believe there is a kext I could install to make this thing run faster. If I do a follow-up, I can try that out.

[@dubwave5975]

please explain how you pass the kernel black screen need help

[@botchedrepair1542]

Hi there, mind if you provided the image file of TVos? I want to experiment with it.

[@IxMoMo.]

Hi did you reserve that lit mobile product ??

[@oventree]

as a kid i always wanted to do this because i couldn't afford a real mac, but i never got around to it. i'm glad i'll be able to watch it at least

[@hejMagy]

i love this song at 4:27 minute! what title does it have?

[@falcy2889]

That Core M will be screaming in pain

[@jamiechampion299]

It is based on the Pentium M, not the Core M.

[@falcy2889]

@@jamiechampion299 It literally says in the video description

[@jamiechampion299]

@@falcy2889 And that doesn't mean it is right. The original Apple TV used a Pentium M. The Core M wasn't a thing until 2014.

[@thelballyt]

idk if it’s on that version of dd but you can add status=progress to the command to see progress

[@iRaven]

Very nice. Wondering if you could do the Mac key commands or flash the ROM with a different Mac or something so you could fix certain issues.

[@IslayAnderson]

does the progressive output still work and is it a mirror of the hdmi?

[@IslayAnderson]

also give it an ssd

[@drzeissler]

I have a wired issue with the atv1. if I plug ethernet in the atv1 stutters badly...don't know what it does. If I sync files over and unplug ethernet everything is OK. I bought a second one and it does the same....?!? crazy

[@pianokeyjoe]

Just out of curiosity, Can I buy a new old stock Apple TV box and use it as a local NON internet, non registered standalone media files player that allows me to load my mp3s and mp4 files from a plugged in USB drive like an ipod?

[@danielrhodes7594]

So, did the Apple TV 1st gen work as far as have movies installed on it to play? Can it be attached to a Powermac G4 and TV, load it with movies and get it to work?

[@V3racious3]

The protocol is PATA, the cable is an IDE cable.

[@ComputerClan]

Are you sure? It seems like the terms get interchanged a lot. IDE was renamed PATA, was it not?

[@V3racious3]

@@ComputerClan PATA existed the same time as IDE. Some people use them interchangeably but officially they are not. Not all IDE drives are PATA but all PATA drives do use IDE. Also see EIDE or Enhanced Integrated Drive Electronics using ATA-2.

[@CraKenteam]

Ken and Brent, You Guys Are the Best! Keep It Up!

[@flesh140]

Can someone tell me the EXACT disk they're using?? Ive been bashing my head against the desk trying over and over with the wrong disk every time.

[@andi]

Really enjoyed this :D kinda reminded me of myself trying to install Mac OS Leopard on my G4 eMac ages ago

[@29bacar]

Ken: How are you all doing? Me: Bad Ken: That is just great!

[@iambadatsomefunnies5572]

Everybody gangsta till Ken and Brainiac Brent get macOS Catalina running on it

[@uploads1179]

I'm guessing that to boot the AppleTV operating system, you'd (probably) have to: change the boot.efi, change mach_kernel, re-add the kexts (not required?).

[@advaithmadhukar2609]

Can't you use status=progress with dd to get info about what it's doing

[@XYZPlayers]

Is it possible to load appleTV onto a mac or on a hackintosh device?

[@marcoslaredo25980]

Hi I always listen that mi phone has more memory and a faster processor than the old pcs. Can you try to install an old MacOs in a new iPhone?

[@Luzgar]

Does the remote do anything?

[@drbali]

Make a follow-up with Windows XP/7 on it

[@sumakjadowity]

Hello. is it possible to upload any other system on Apple TV of the 3rd generation? reason? no KZbin which was very important to me. please help

[@iWhacko]

instead of using dd, cant you create an image using disk utiliy?