Installing NEW OEM N52 Vanos Solenoids And Calibration Using ISTA-D

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Hi guys, so this video shows how to do the vanos solenoids in bmw's after 2006 , I reset the calibration for the start and end stop for the solenoids, can you do this without the calibration? YES you can, in theory this will make it re-learn, but is it absolutely needed? Maybe not... I have changed many of them in the past without doing this and had no issue, Thanks again for watching !!! For Business Contact :
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[@michaelbarton439]

This reset procedure was for learning the variable valve lift motor limit positions against the eccentric shaft. This procedure has nothing to do with vanos solenoids. This procedure will run the vvl motor in both directions and watch the amperage the motor is drawing to determine the end travel of the vvl motor as it is installed. This procedure is done anytime the vvl system has been repaired or parts have been removed and installed.

[@araz1994]

im not an expert, but im quite sure that he was at the right spot when you first started recording the Ista-D on his laptop, before he switched to find "valvetronic re-calibration"

[@orion1two]

Is it necessary to calibrate VANOS solenoids? I've changed them on multiple cars I've owned over the years and I've never done this...

[@orion1two]

@@JamesKL969 Pretty sure you can recalibrate VANOS Solenoids.. there is an option in Bimmergeeks Protool. I've just never done it. since the cars always ran fine.

[@TheKeenMechanic]

This is the kind of videos I want to see in the future. A combination of mechanical work combined with diagnostics with ista d/+. Most people can handle the mechanical work but the diagnistics and finding your way arround ista + could be a bit frustrating. Thank you Nathan for another great video. Big thubms up

[@maxfrancis5924]

Dean is a good dude...👍 Good friend better than pocket money.

[@earnestbunbury2103]

A good friend with pocket money...

[@ivanpetrov9230]

Very nice! Can you post a link to the cable?

[@salvito5551]

Hi Nathan, that procdure you show on the screen lets the VALVETRONIC learn the the limits for the variable valve Lift and NOT fo rthe VANOS solenoids

[@kingb7080]

The Chinese parts are very good. 👌 Anyone can change the vanos solenoids all they want or clean them up, but the rough start and idling will still exist. What people don't know is those solenoids have filters beneath them and if they're clogged you will always get the rough idle. There's 2 of them, take them out and clean them and you will see how this fixes the problem. Just my opinion though.

[@19craig93]

i put 2 aftermarket ones in myself and it runs beautiful

[@kevinvandevelde9789]

I loved this vid!!!!!!!

[@carlmartinz8662]

Good video ! Good stuff good stuff . Thanks Nathan! Them damm Chiiinniieee

[@blado3442]

Are there scanners that can perform the same programming? Like the Launch scanners for example.

[@ButteredPeanuts]

I just did my vanos sprocket bolts and put the engine back together. Now my engine popped out a 2a7c code for the inlet vanos. Does that mean I have to calibrate/program my vanos solenoids?

[@speralta1]

Here's an idea (maybe?) for either a follow up or another video. It would be interesting to run the VANOS test procedure in ISTA (or DIS or a 3rd party Scanner) and compare the results between the two solenoids, Chinese vs. OEM. I'd be curious to see how the DME reports back the timing results from the two kinds. That'd be kinda cool!

[@martymeyer4125]

I ordered some FEBI Solenoid from Amazon, got here in less than 10 days. I hope they work! I think that the brand was referred by Dean? But not sure. Haven't installed them yet. Are you able to remotely update the software, I'm willing to pay.

[@hanynowsky]

There is absolutely no relationship between changing vanos solenoids and learning Valvetronic limit positions. Vanos solenoids are responsible for timing related to RPM, load... Etc. It s VVT. The valvetronic (vvl) is handled by the eccentric shaft motor and sensor. What u did through ISTA is only useful when you change the ES motor or replace valvetronic gear like the eccentric shaft or the rocker springs. What you really need to do in your case is deleting engine adaptations and performing a re-adaptation for the engine (driving session, flywheel adaptation, fuel trims... Etc)

[@Angel.snchez]

Would the aftermarket solenoids cause the p052b cold start timing code ?

[@BEACHYz]

Fyi. I was going to replace my vanos but did the valvetronic learning after watching your vid, and viola ;) it's now running perfectly. I think many people think they need to change these things but they just need to change the oil and reset the valvetronic system and clear the codes.

[@digitalexploitz]

I don't disagree. My E65 threw codes after sitting for a few weeks when the wife and I were away on hiatus

[@DNoneya-co5wi]

Is there a way to recalibrate the vanos solenoids without ista or software?

[@hickton45]

What was the brand of the Chinese sensor? Was it Vaico or Bremmen?

[@frankdogg75]

This calibration you did was for the valvetronic unit. Not vanos solenoids adaptation.

[@mr.gilliam7000]

do you know where the vanos solenoid is located on the 328i twin turbo ? i believe its an n20

[@kevhen4740]

Real tech stuff am having a dtc 27bd DME . camshaft control exhaust output stage I can't seem to figure it out I was wondering if it's my vanus are cam sensor

[@eddiebaker8802]

How much would you charge to do a vanos job. Pulled the code and that is what i need to do for my car.

[@MrMoneyinda77]

I ordered some SKP VANOS from rock-auto. ... DO U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT that SKP brand ?

[@MrStam1234]

how do you just pull it out? my solenoid is kinda stuck, can't get it out...

[@pfoglar]

Thanks Nathan for another great vid, and this is why I am keen to bite the bullet and replace the old Vanos solenoids (old part number variant) in my '05 330i - the symptoms that I've had for ages are so indicative of one or both bad Vanos solenoids. I've cleaned and swapped them around plenty times over the years, and whether imagined or not, the improvement has always been minor and/or short lived. But I want to say that it is different depending on the orientation of the two solenoids, so assuming one of them is the bad unit, it's then affecting the engine differently depending on if it is attached to the intake or exhaust side. I am still trying to find out if the local BMW ECU specialists have the latest software that does the auto cleaning that you mentioned in a previous video, so once my car has that update I will be fitting new solenoids, and hold fingers! :)

[@NathansBMWWorkshop]

Hello, the 05 is still the m54 engine which don't have solenoid issues

[@pfoglar]

Nathan's DIY Garage, it’s an ‘05 E90 330i 6MT, one of the very first N52B30 powered cars, so not the M54B30 like my ‘04 E46 330iM 6MT.

[@TXSIZEGAP]

Have a question. Currently in the market for a sedan around the 5k range as a daily driver. Would you honestly recommend a natraully aspirated e60, e92 ? Or should I just play it safe with a v6 camry, accord or g37

[@NathansBMWWorkshop]

If you never want to touch it buy a Camry or a lexis is250, they are not as comfortable cars but rarely go bad, the e90 would be easier than a e60

[@eugeneschafer6992]

Hi Nathan i got a p0015 after replacing exhaust side with a china valve bit the bullet and bought a OEM and code went away took the car for a drive although no codes the car had no power low end so what i did was clear vanos, intake pipe and throttle adaptations power came back immediately and al was good.I was just thinking that you should do that on that 328 you have and see if that makes a difference on power after the 3 stage upgrade.

[@thatguy-f7276]

What u used to clear it. . A regular type scanner

[@eugeneschafer6992]

@@thatguy-f7276 Inpa

[@fisherloso007]

Hello pls ...i change my vanos for e60 ..since den its has bin din hard start

[@honzaj995]

Hi, is it the same on N46? I had occasianally vanos issues so I bought both new, replaced them and engine gone crazy with them. Threw me p00 codes on both sides. Seller replied me that the solenoids need to be set in control unit. Thanks

[@thatguy-f7276]

Hey can u explain this

[@garlenselie9835]

How do you recalibrate them without the program

[@Navisworker]

What was the red switch at 5:22?

[@mcgusto82]

O-ring goes one in the block first. Solenoid snaps right into place. Cheers from Ct USA

[@orion1two]

That seems like it would leave room for the o ring to roll as you're putting in the Solenoid... I've never seen anyone do that and I've personally done this job about half a dozen times over the years on different cars.

[@mcgusto82]

Tyler Padgett - there’s a lip where the oring sits. I guess it could fall out of place. Try it next time.

[@Dutch79]

How's the rough start now??

[@muhammetalbayrak3603]

Hi Nathan. I have 2007 N52B25 with plastic cover and I notice that my intake manifold have lots of oil. I have changed plastic cover with new one which has got original bmw logo. My problem is continue. What can you say about my problem? Thanks.

[@priveprive5315]

Valvetronic gasket

[@mecheng1977]

I have the fogging error too it’s for the auto climate control to defog the windows, the sensor is in the rear mirror

[@NathansBMWWorkshop]

I will check into it thank you

[@Bluesmokeresto]

Hi Nathan. In the video you mention getting some vanos solenoids from a contact named Dean in England. I'm in england and am looking for a good BMW parts supplier. Do you have contact details for Dean please.

[@Quagmire925]

Hi Nathan. Quick question. Which do you prefer to drive, a good E39 or an E60? I have a decent E39 530i 107k miles Euro Msport that is mechanically perfect (atm lol) but I was thinking of changing to an E60, is it worth it?

[@BMWDoctor]

Take my word hell no if you have no skills and electronic knowledge keep with e39 e60 is more headache more problems with ny e69 then i ever did with my e39 530d i miss that car dearly and it was aegean edition m sport low mileage 80k which in uk is very low mileage very reliable and always got looked at keep your e39 trust me

[@NathansBMWWorkshop]

I enjoy driving the e60 more but the e39 is easier, hop this helps and thanks for watching Chad

[@rasonjason4066]

I'd keep any special edition e39! They will be going up in value.

[@Quagmire925]

Rason Jason thanks mate. I have decided to keep it. 🍻

[@AlxN52]

So vanos are not plug and play we still have to re learn them if replacing ?

[@BLAZENYCBLACKOPS]

AlexisN52 the software work he did had nothing to do with the solenoid replacement if I’m not mistaken, but double check that to be sure.

[@philipdenner8504]

when you clean the solenoids you need to have 12v power to them to open and close them whilst you are spraying them other wise they will not clean properly.

[@partalien9862]

if you don't do the filter down the side at the same time then whats the point?!!

[@weaselmcweaselson1543]

im struggling like hell to get oem solenoids in the uk for the n52 2.5 e92. no clue what to do!

[@BMWDoctor]

Weasel Mcweaselson very easy mate go Bmw you can’t get oem ones anywhere else only Bmw or on eBay

[@BLAZENYCBLACKOPS]

Or you can always get them from under the hood of someone else’s BMW, lol. I’m absolutely just joking, please don’t do this, lol.

[@user-jn7or4ry3p]

Just changed mines, Looks like still having problems accelerating and going up hills.

[@user-jn7or4ry3p]

Thanks

[@buddiec]

I'll check tomorrow laptop dead, and software came when I ordered the k and d can programmer off ebay

[@oishirley]

Wait, so if we change the vanos solenoids, we have to program them?

[@jonnykintanilla]

nice bro can u do one to program valvetronic motor also thanks bro

[@BMWDoctor]

Go watch my video on adaptions

[@jenxy4014]

As per Michael Barton comment

[@7Mario777]

My one solenoid have 10.9 ohm,but other is 10.5 ohm... Ok or no? Thanks!

[@seikoandora6485]

Ok

[@bappelzoller1817]

Dang brother, I never even thought about calibration!!! but heck What is the ISTA-D and where can I get that ? Im in a 07 328i and was chasing codes all over the internet. I also have the carly but it does not allow to do some thorough diags. is the ISTA-d a perfessional software program (dealer thing)

[@BMWDoctor]

No it aint mate itd open to general public but people like me create servers to have access to this desler system as i build the database without it the program wont work as bme took it from there server years ago and we had to find a way around it to run ista i provide all programs like this but not for free

[@NathansBMWWorkshop]

Some small scanners let you reset adaptions Bob, thanks for watching

[@JaimeRobledodotcom]

@@BMWDoctor Where can I get the software from? Also do I build a server at home and install the app or use azure?

[@bigdeal87]

Just clean them in break fluid and 12v to open and close worked great on mine

[@thatguy-f7276]

I did that with mass air flow cleaner and it qont rev past 4rpm

[@bigdeal87]

Jerrol Lowe break fluid is much better for cleaning that part

[@kungfulender8733]

Don't use after market vanos valves. I found out the hard way that the $40 chinese one are crap like he said. ECS tuning sells the BMW ones for about $150 a piece.

[@speralta1]

Hi Nathan, I think you confused VANOS with Valvetronic in ISTA. The relearn procedure you ran doesn't affect the VANOS phasing or adaptation values. I don't believe there are any relearn procedures having to do with the VANOS solenoids. You can reset the adaptation values for the VANOS but should only reset if you'd changed or rebuild them. Otherwise the solenoids are simply PWM controlled given the phasing maps in the DME software and adjusted with the adaptations over time. I'm sure you knew all this though. I believe also that the valvetronic limits (the min and max opening of the valves) are relearned after terminal 15 is switched on and the car not started. I think this is true for everything from 2007 on. Prior you have to run the relearn procedure. But don't quote me on that. The learn procedure in INSTA or DIS is a manual procedure if needed for whatever reason, especially if the valvetronic motors have been removed and replaced.

[@carlmartinz8662]

Shut your face!

[@speralta1]

@@BMWDoctor I meant no disrespect to Nathan or what he's showing. I apologize if my comment came off that way. Especially to Nathan and yourself. I was just trying to point out that the procedure that he ran in ISTA was the relearn for the valvetronic, not clearing adaptations. Which I agree with you should be cleared. I should have said as much and more clearer. About the relearn for the valvetronic... I do know that it is a real procedure that is run after switching the car on and have read it in BMW documents. With that said, I'm now never going to be able to find it to prove it... I've also witnessed the motors go through the procedure personally after doing work on my own E63 with an N62. Assuming that the procedure is not engine specific? I'll admit I'm not an "expert" but have done a good deal of work on BMWs and know my way around the different BMW software. But by no means have your level of expertise with the software. So much respect to you on that, my friend. I only brought up DIS because from it or ISTA you can run the valvetronic relearn procedure or clear adaptations... Sorry again if I offended you (or Nathan). Very much had no intention.

[@BMWDoctor]

@@speralta1 no problem nathan and me are very good buddys and i watch the comments for people like this who try think there smarter then then him yet your watching his videos so you must be learning from him then trying to make him look stupid i aint about that n62 is a complete different engine to n52 here in the uk we have every car with n52 engine espically e63 im am a master technician with bmw i started as a mechanic and went on to diagnose code and program and clone ecus on the bench and fix modules second hand or not and my training didnt cpme through youtube believe me there aint noone who knows what i do or shows you on youtube its somethinf that you have to learn yourself me and nathan both have the same car same year same colour only difference mine is m sport edition

[@speralta1]

@@BMWDoctor Thanks for the reply. I would never want to make Nathan, or anyone for that matter, look stupid. I have a huge amount of respect for Nathan and what he does on his channel. I know that it takes a huge commitment to produce good content on/for KZbin and Nathan's are some of the best. My hope is that Nathan didn't take my original comment the wrong way and understood what I was trying to say. The intent of my comment was in no way to try and make myself look smart. I put myself through school as a mechanic earning my degree in mechanical engineering (I now work for NASA) and have a good background on the electrical and software side of things. So these days I don't do much as I used to, but I have been working on cars for almost 30 years and try and keep myself current with all the different emerging technologies. And I find that the saying, "the more you learn, the more you find you don't know" is very much true. So you are correct when you say that watching these videos you learn something. I watch mainly for entertainment purposes, however, there are little things here or there that you can learn and pick up from these guys. For example, I just changed the timing chains and guides in my e39 (w/ M62) and Nathans video(s) on that turned me onto the German Auto Solution tools. So grateful for that! I've done coding but not so much in terms of programming - yet. Starting to lean toward a J2534 pass through and going through BMW Tech (here in the states) and just pay for a subscription. But still researching like mad and learning! Cheers, my friend!

[@pfoglar]

First of all, I have the utmost respect for Nathan, and don't doubt your knowledge and experience Dean. I was also watching this video with specific interest regarding the calibration for Vanos solenoids which was new to me (not that I am a trained mechanic or specialist or anything of the sought, just been trying to understand and fix various issues on my N52 over the years). My understanding of the Valvetronic end stops calibration is specifically for the intake valve lift so that the Valvetronic motor and Eccentric Shaft Sensor are calibrated so that the throttle essentially working correctly. I have some experience with this when a local BMW specialist where I am picked up a Plausible Valvetronic error code which he determined was a faulty or slow Valvetronic motor. So a new OEM part was ordered and fitted, but I don't think he calibrated it properly, or tried to simply do it via coding without letting it perform the initial basic calibration. When I drove the car home it felt horrible, the throttle behaviour was weird and jerky, then when I gave it a few WOT runs it wouldn't run up to the red line. After I got home I remembered the reading about the DIY to change the Valvetronic motor and the basic calibration, so put the key fob in and turned the ignition on without starting the engine, and sure enough, I heard the Valvetronic motor running through the end stops. Went for a drive afterwards and the car was fine. But this is where your knowledge as well as Nathan's knowledge would have more understanding of the relationship between the Valvetronic system (valve lift/throttle) and the Vanos (valve timing) - the adjustments are very quick and precise and ever changing through the rev range and load and throttle position etc. My '05 E90 330i 6MT is one of the early N52 engined cars and has some older or different components compared to later N52 engines, including ever so slightly different coil packs and older Vanos solenoids to name a few. The issue that I have started as a minor and intermittent rattling sound on moderate throttle/load which, the local BMW dealer that I took the car to while still under Motorplan, suggested was a pinging issue. To be honest, it doesn't sound like pinging, more like a valvetrain rattle of some sort. But then I became more and more aware of dips, surges, stumbles, and other weird throttle behaviour after that. I don't have the HVA ticking lifters, and cold start and idle is fine generally. But, on some occasions I have noticed the revs climb by itself after cold start, and even more rarely, when warm. Economy and performance also doesn't seem to be where it should be and at times it feels like the engine is being "held back" with more engine braking than it should have and somewhat jerky throttle. So I have been suspecting the older part Vanos solenoids as being a possible cause for this. I've cleaned and swapped them around over the years, and even removed and cleaned the Check Valves for the Vanos system, they were perfectly clean. Anyway, I follow Nathan's channel because it is very interesting and I learn new things along the way. Thanks to Nathan and yourself for sharing your knowledge with us.

[@buddiec41]

Still waiting on copy of insta d if you dhareing

[@buddiec41]

Sharing

[@BMWDoctor]

Nobody is gonna be sharing my friend you want it im the guy who makes it and updates it nathan cannot share it without me putting yoy on the server and i can block access to ista p and d via my server i shared with nathan as he needed it for the channel but thats it

[@buddiec]

Np you never know if you never ask no need to block if I'm never getting, I have other software for BMW's but like to play and learn but it's all hood good

[@BMWDoctor]

@@buddiec cant block unless you get it i get notified of anyone using my software as it has my server file on so it cant go anywhere i providr updates for all my software you can have all software you want but ista d is now able to program code and do rrtrofits all via that one program no need for ista p any longer whatever your using must be outdated and old files but none of this comes for free if you got it free you probably get it off my old website i will not say on here like most do with all my old old flash files from 2010 and all my old software that i havent updated in years that was all before i become what i am and dont need to give it free to others only who i choose

[@buddiec]

Cool no I have and use inpa and ncs expert and winkfp

[@strajkovski8767]

I have come to realize that in the last 5 years I have had many Chinese items fail , from electronics to tools, I have learned that it is cheaper to buy good quality the first time around, because it has cost me double or triple and I'm also left with the electronics or tools that I needed in the first place. I don't blame the Chinese because I know they make a lot of good stuff as well, I blame myself and all the consumers because we created the market for cheap stuff by continuing to buy the crap. if consumers demanded better quality and weren't so quick to save a buck the vendors would have made this clear to their suppliers in china and the Chinese would have made better quality and naturally it would cost a bit more.

[@matthunnell6659]

Hey Nathan...I need to talk. Need Dean's help...can we talk offline?

[@Dingolfing]

VANOS solenoids are completely different to Valvetronic. So you changed VANOS solenoids but then went into ISTA to reset the Valvetronic values? Why? Totally unnecessary

[@brianandrews7099]

You’d think that someday the cheap Chinese automotive (electronic) parts industry will improve enough that you could at least get 1-3 year of good use out of a part before it fails; instead of it never working out of the box, working for a day or two, or just never working correctly. You would think that there would be limits to how long you can produce total junk before the word has spread enough in the marketplace that you either pony up and make stuff that is at least of acceptable quality, or get forced out of business?

[@jasbel671]

I have bought in the past a really cheap ac compressor and ac rebuild kit from eBay and it did the job very well for years... So sometime you pay more for nothing!

[@NathansBMWWorkshop]

Especially on things like cam sensors, you think it would just be easier to make the right instead of always wrong lol

[@bsouza1675]

It is hard to beat car parts made of Chinesium 💩.....NOT!

[@rasonjason4066]

Keep them away from me.

[@rasonjason4066]

Nothing worse than buying and replacing the same part twice other than buying and replacing it 3 times.

[@Wiseman189]

VANOS codes lol what a nightmare

[@jonlee580]

Thank god we have FCP Euro nowadays and the only thing i didnt like was the racists rant

[@derekmatthew2921]

And there ends lesson one don’t buy crap car 🚗 parts from China