Installing OS/2 Warp 4 on an SD Card

[@stogie28]

WE FINALLY GOT THE OS/2 VIDEO THE RIOTS PAID OFF

[@meowpolitely981]

I want to try to put OS/2 on meh creepy laptop.

[@MuhammadIlhamuodd254512]

@TheTechChannel 1 ^

[@jacekjagosz]

Fun fact! There is Arca OS, which is a patched OS/2 Warp 4, so it can be run on modern hardware, and do modern things, like run new Firefox or Libre Office.

[@bobgrimes8618]

I am a subscriber to ArcaOS, running it on a THINKPAD T-60.

[@armanelgtron4533]

You can use the ArcaOS Package Manager on OS/2 Warp 4. I don't know how good compatibility is with applications, but it needs a network connection.

[@flambo1500]

This.

[@jacekjagosz]

@@xsychoreese9877 No, ReactOS tries to make an open-source OS from the ground up, that is compatible with Windows programs, ArcaOS tries to patch and License OS/2 from IBM and they don't release source code of what they're doing. Their goal it to support factories that still need to use OS/2. Here is an interview with the creator: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqC7fICQapuFaNE

[@MainAvel]

A license for ArcaOS Personal edition costs $129.99 Yep, I think I'll pass and wait for it along with MorphOS to pop up on some torrent site.

[@AliceC993]

I saw this video pop up in my subscription feed and audibly exclaimed "Oh, Jesus Christ." You've done it again Druaga1.

[@johnnieburkhalter5265]

This is what we came for

[@vwestlife]

HPFS is what later became known as NTFS, because Windows NT is based on OS/2.

[@zoomosis]

Not true. Both HPFS and NTFS were designed from the ground up. NTFS may have borrowed some concepts that were originally in HPFS, but they are entirely different file system formats. This is why Windows NT 4.0 required an explicit filesystem driver for HPFS. Versions of Windows after NT4 no longer support HPFS at all. OS/2 also can't natively read NTFS partitions.

[@vwestlife]

@@zoomosis HPFS and NTFS were both designed by Microsoft and are so similar that they both use the same partition identification type code (07). And Windows NT and 2000 could even run text-mode OS/2 programs.

[@zoomosis]

Yes, I've used Windows' 16-bit OS/2 subsystem in the past for software development. It's entirely independent of the HPFS driver though. I suspect Type 07 is used for both HPFS and NTFS because they were both written by Microsoft as you say. But the underlying filesystem is entirely different - enough to require completely separate driver code in the Linux kernel to read both formats, for example. And different enough for Windows NT 4.0 to require PINBALL.SYS instead of just using its own NTFS driver to read HPFS partitions. Type 07 is also used for exFAT, which obviously isn't HPFS/NTFS compatible.

[@beedslolkuntus2070]

zoomosis SMART

[@beedslolkuntus2070]

VWestlife Who designed GPT and MBR???

[@itsFoxxo]

Hey! Wasn't ever expecting an OS/2 video Also since I'm early and you might see this, please don't ever stop doing what you do. Your videos are informational, funny, and an overall treat to watch! Keep up the amazing work!

[@Eli-dx2uj]

This man is right. This woman is right. This gender neutral person is right ;w;

[@wolfinabox]

"And if I press help, well, I guess I could read all this..."

[@adancalderon8915]

The 1 Meg in the table was free space. This is because what ever formatted the SD card before, started the partition at sector 2048, this is common on new operating systems. It used to be that partitions started at sector 63. There might have been problems on your previous installs because you simply re formatted the partitions instead of deleting them and recreating them so that they start at sector 63. On the more modern machine you might also want to check how the "hard drive" is accessed in the BIOS. There are sometimes settings for, LBA, LARGE, CHS. Sometimes these are labeld UNIX or DOS or Other also. You are using CHS access mode on the 486.

[@ChrisYx511]

Adan Calderon up

[@incandescentwithrage]

It did say Advanced was for technical users.. Shoulda picked easy

[@Falco95]

33:07 Wow, I've never seen a CD drive like that before! That's cool! Have a spooky halloween, man :)

[@stonent]

It's a mitsumi drive.

[@skinwalker69420]

It's a really rare drive (a caddy drive)

[@NaviciaAbbot]

I've come to appreciate text-mode installers for Linux. Sure, installing the bare basics of Ubuntu off of the Server ISO may seem strange to most, but I can at least configure the desktop to my liking after install.

[@crylune]

I love Arch for this reason. If I do everything myself I know exactly what went wrong and what is happening

[@zoomosis]

From memory the OS/2 Warp 4.0 CD should be bootable. The OS/2 Warp 3.0 isn't bootable because it predates the concept of bootable CDs. The OS/2 Warp 4.52 CD is definitely bootable, as are all the eComStation install CDs.

[@basicforge]

Thanks for the video. Last year I installed OS/2 Warp 4.5.2 on my 1999 vintage ThinkPad X20. I thought the installation would go without a hitch what with it being period correct IBM hardware. Nope. It was a pain in the neck, but then I remembered that it was always like this making software work on various computers back in the day. Endless messing with drivers and config files, rebooting again and again.

[@basicforge]

I'll just add that the experience is much better with a Pentium of some kind. 486 machines are frustrating as OS/2 platforms.

[@DVaEtc]

Hey Druaga1, I’ve been watching your videos since 2015, and I think adding your recap sections and using that notebook idea is really good! I almost missed the part when you actually switched from a CompactFlash card to an SD card. I wouldn’t have known that had you not mentioned it in the recap at 17:51. Keep up the good work bro! I can’t wait for you to hit 100,000 subs!!

[@minijimi]

I ran OS/2 warp 3 on a 486 back in the day. I ran a renegade BBS from it. Oh the good old days.

[@BollingHolt]

Cool! I BRIEFLY ran Warp 3 on my 486, but I think at the time I only had 4 megs of RAM. TECHNICALLY it worked, but it was slooooooooooooow. I also ran a Telegard and Renegade BBS as well! I ran it from MS-DOS though. I actually downloaded the Renegade BBS software again the other day. I think I'm going to throw together a BBS on an old Pentium that was recently donated to me.

[@BrucesWorldofStuff]

Wow! I remember Renegade BBS. Great Days! The big issue with OS/2 it was very hardware specific, you just could not just install it on anything. When buying stuff you had to make sure that OS/2 support was mention on the label or it would not work..... :D I ran OS/2. 3, 4 on my 486 and I have the Stargazer BBS running Wildcat 4 BBS software. I still have the BBS today as it was in the days when I had 5 nodes running all at once... Those were some great times back then. I still boot it up every now and then. I had to take the 10 disk CD drive off line as there is a issue with it, I think it is Caps, it has that smell...Lol I have replaced the PS too, same issue.... :D

[@dDAMKErkk]

🫂🙏🏿🙏

[@sixfr0nt]

damn, OS/2 Warp really lives up to its name

[@Leonard_MT]

It’s on a 486

[@tibfulv]

@@Leonard_MT Yep, pretty much all OSs except DOS ran slow, I recall.

[@AgrimarYT]

I have to sleep, but... I really want to watch this to the end.

[@fairyball3929]

yeah 😶, I'm watching this video now at 11:36 pm on a Tuesday night. It's getting late, plus... I have school tomorrow. 😐

[@Nick-ef8tu]

Mom can I stay up and watch this (NO) but it’s that guy who smokes weed and plays around with computers (fine!)

[@awesomeferret]

I have to sleep, but... I know how KZbin works and know that Druaga1 isn't a controversial channel so it will be available for me in the morning when I wake up. I know people are just joking, but it really gets old if you think about it too many times (which is every time you see it which is every video).

[@fargeeks]

you did not miss out

[@Vienna3080]

The lord has posted! P.S dual boot Temple OS on Win Longhorn

[@vincentlamb3436]

Rest in peace Terry Davis, the greatest programmer of all time.

[@Stjaernljus]

When i installed os/2 on a computer ages ago i used two computers and one diskette due to having a per shortage of diskettes at the time.

[@Damaniel3]

I used OS/2 Warp during a college summer job I had at a supermarket's headquarters. They used it mainly to interface with their backroom IBM servers. Banks also liked to use it a lot in the 90s, even in ATMs.

[@justinsinger2505]

When druaga1 uploads. My depression and any bad thoughts go away until i finish the video.

[@pleasecho2]

OMG I was a total devotee back in 1993. This was during the Famous OS Wars. It was OS/2 v3 aka "Warp", intentionally out just before the delayed release of win95 and the end of days for DOS. For all the negative press it got, for its time it actually worked well. You could run Windows 3.1 in a window along with and OS/2 apps. What I used it for was climbing out of the memory barrier and running a resource hogging DOS based database prog. Worked well but it wasn't for everyone. Then again so is Linux

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

"It took five years to boot" Ahh, memories.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

"Do not install printer" Good advice with OS/2.

[@snigwithasword1284]

Oh my gourd the sharpie launch and the robot arm middle finger.. I am totally stealing that thing!

[@dreambyte7926]

Cool video, thanks for sharing! ^^ Also thumbs up for showing a classic Mitsumi LU005? CD-ROM Drive! +1 That was one of the drives that nicely worked with OS/2 Warp 3, too, before PATA/ATAPI was fully (more or less) supported. It's normal, btw., that the Audio-CD can't be accessed via file manager. OS/2 didn't simulate audio tracks as *.cda yet, as Windows later would.

[@wskinnyodden]

Dear lord, you are murdering this OS... Let me do it, please. And btw, put at least 64Mb of RAM, preferably 256 and HPFS.

[@ipeters61]

I remember when I installed OS/2 in a virtual machine at my uncle's house and he said to me, "If you demand less from your operating system, try OS/2!"

[@reki353]

you know that OS/2 has windows 3.1 built into it right? its in one of those menus and it brings up a window thats just like an 3.1 emulator

[@BollingHolt]

38:00 Hey! That's an old Mitsumi single-speed drive! That's the first CD-ROM drive that I ever owned! Yes, it did require its own, proprietary interface card if I remember correctly, but it surely was a nice addition to my 486dx-33!

[@guycrew728]

Sim city 1 had an OS/2 port.

[@chrisfratz]

Simcity 2000 also had OS/2 port

[@sugaryhull9688]

And both were incredibly unstable 😂

[@IanThatMetalBassist]

The OS/2 installer reminds me of Slackware Linux

[@CommodoreFan64]

I was thinking that myself lol

[@Vlad-1986]

It was quite common. Arch used to have a similar installer, and freeBSD gets close too

[@ido8bit]

Someone buy this man a gotek.

[@rs0389]

The higher you set the skill level of the chess engine the longer it takes for the computer to make a move.

[@Caltash]

Next up: eComStation on an SSD

[@askhowiknow5527]

Druaga has a PhD in knife fights and saying fu

[@paulwratt]

primary partition (without boot manager) < 512Mb (ie 500Mb) - done on any of your drives

[@HarmonicVector]

Next Video: OS/2 Warp on an SSD... Wait, that's just a bigger SD card.

[@Lethaltail]

"Kept me in the illusion" "The system must be restarted"

[@cleverlyblonde]

For OS/2 2.1, you only need to make disk 0, 1 and 2, and download an IDE ATAPI driver onto disk 1. For OS/2 3 or later, you need disk 0, 1 and 2 only.

[@bakatoroi]

Well, why didn't you tell him that before he made the video?

[@cleverlyblonde]

I wish I could have, @@bakatoroi :)

[@petrdemuth4963]

@Druaga1 You should make a video how you are installing Gentoo :)

[@Storm_.]

Druaga1, you dissapoint me! 4:43 "HPFS? I've never heard of that file system!" And you're a Mac fan! :DDD

[@tibfulv]

Clearly unused to the marvels of OS/2, lol.

[@kathrynradonich3982]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but there is a release of Sim City 2000 on OS/2 that is pretty good if you have a computer that can run it. Ran just fine on my P2 running ecomstation

[@Os2world]

Thanks for sharing. Remember that the OS/2 community still hangouts at the OS2World.com Forum !!!

[@JamesAllmond]

OS2 Warp (but 3) the only OS I ever tried to load that damaged equipment whilst loading...good luck! Oh my, this brings back some really bad memories. Geez, watching you try to install it was more frustrating than actually having to install it for a living, like I had to way back in the day...ugh.

[@raydeen2k]

I almost tried OS/2 once. Got about 2 pages into the manual and a very prominent warning box warned me that there was absotively posilutely no support for my graphics card (I think it was a Boca SVGA card) so I promptly closed the manual, put the disks back into the box and gave them back to my friend, and never got to experience this exquisite pain that I see you enjoying. FML.

[@massmike11]

That mitsumi cd drive was also sold by radio shack under their own brand here in the USA

[@andrewcassidy1790]

I love how many of the design decisions are just "we're not windows! we put the status bar on the top and the trash can is called the shredder!"

[@keithwhisman]

OS/2 was around Windows 3.1 era. I was able to install DOS and then launch OS/2 or Windows 3.1 from there. Back then DOS was the gaming OS of choice.

[@com1killer751]

Hey, I don’t think Macs use the MBR to boot. The master boot record is probably dismissed by the adapter, that’s why it hasn’t worked anywhere else.

[@MiroslavRD]

If you haven't used OS/2 before, you wouldn't understand!

[@nrg753]

I wish you hit the WIN-OS/2 option, I remember it being really bizarre, like I think it opened something that looked like Win3.1.

[@tibfulv]

Win 3.1 was current at the time, so that would have been entirely natural. There was an extension to make Windows look like the rest of the operating system, though, called WPS for Windows or something.

[@Hogdriva]

YESSSSSSSS OS/2 love it. Also, I recently got a PC XT that some crazy man put a CD drive in, a caddy loading NEC one with a matching 8 bit ISA NEC CD ROM controller card.

[@mushroomsamba82]

I love how the chess program absolutely crushed that poor cpu

[@RetroReviewYT]

I’ve installed it once on an old laptop from the early 2000’s.

[@Arhentir]

Go BIOS & change HDD type to CHS I think os/2 warp not compatible with LBA or LARGE type disks. After changing HDD need re-partitioning.

[@meatchunkbruh2761]

27:19 Footage of a man going FUCKING INSANE

[@zoomosis]

I ran OS/2 Warp 3.0 on a Cyrix 486DLC/40 with 4 MB back in 1994 (that's a lot of fours). I recall it was a bit quicker than the 486 in your video. One issue could be that you need to install the right video drivers as it's currently running in 640x480 16 colour. But it still seems unusually slow to me. As for games, OS/2 didn't have much ported to it. I believe there's an OS/2 version of SimCity, but I wouldn't bother running it on such a slow PC.

[@bakatoroi]

I don't know the first thing about OS/2 but it's clear it's an OS that heavily depends on hardware acceleration. But I wouldn't risk breaking that installation after all that effort.

[@StevenSmyth]

Of course Druaga has a Mitsumi CD drive. I've just been looking for one for like three years. It's what Tandy used in their original multimedia 486 PCs. Please note, caddy drives were considered more reliable than tray loading, and the Mitsumi drive was handy because you didn't need a caddy. Also, Windows 3.1 is baked into OS/2 Warp, so you could run Windows 3.1 games if you want. A Pentium or PII would be fine to run Warp. I know you don't like to read, but you should get Warp for Dummies, which let me know how to use it.

[@Meikurey]

Oh shit im early let me think of a joke MS-DOS on a Macbook

[@Nick-ef8tu]

He’s done that already

[@ssupii2631]

He already did it

[@bdhale34]

Gaming on a MacBook.

[@yjk_music]

He already did it. I think there was another video, but I think this also counts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJzRgINoZtesra8

[@JamesAllmond]

I was gonna say, that's easy and fun!

[@MrStevetmq]

When you booted and tried to install Warp 3 you should have used the option to make a partition using fdisk. Because there drive you used did not have a system sector on it. The other options where to boot on a DOS floppy and type "fdisk /mbr" before installing.

[@mik-o-mack7674]

These videos with Drauga1 are always very entertaining to watch.

[@chasegilmond5637]

If you do another Whistler video, do build 2419. The time bomb date is 01/23/01 Also if you do longhorn again, I recommend build 4074. I can't remember the time bomb date though

[@leediffusion]

takes me back to the mid to late 90's and buying a van load of IBM ex ePOS PC's very cheap. Not realising they were all MCA bus! But some had DOS or Windows 3.11 or OS2/Warp. Installed OS2/Warp a few times without issue, but of course the hardware was somewhat designed for it

[@ManiacalMichael504]

The Mitsumi CD drive is really interesting to see. I haven't seen one like it before or from that time period. Very cool.

[@Saghetti]

And it gets better and better and better and... INSTALL AN OS ON A NETWORK DRIVE

[@yoshi314]

install on a tape drive.

[@KogeyFox]

He doesn't even open the Win 3.1 window and show that off. He looked at them but didnt click one.

[@JessicaFEREM]

I think the reason windows stagnated for so long at that time is because they wanted/thought OS/2 Warp 4 would be the successor to windows

[@RoyOP1407]

Ahh a good video to fall asleep to, thank you Druaga.

[@stephencox4224]

OS2 initially used three disks to boot but from OS2 Warp 4 convenience package which turned it into OS2 Warp 4.52 which could boot from CD, Currently I use Arca OS which is an updated Waro 4.52 with support for modern hardware such as USB 3 many forms of Sata and soon will go from Beta for support for EFI instead of legacy BIOS based systems. HPFS File system was considerably better than most file systems and only ZFS or JFS is an actual improvement and JFS is also an option in ArcaOs OS2 Warp 4 was also the first operating system that allowed Voice commands to use the operating system shades of Star Trek there and when it comes to Dos it will run anything Dos better than Dos have a Dos program that needs EMS Memory just set the parameters for that software and if another Dos program needs XMS memory simply set the parameters for that program to start with XMS. Back in the Dos days you needed a different Config Sys file and a menu to change from EMS to XMS when booting the config sys you needed so to change from EMS to XMS it needed to reboot OS2 did not need that reboot and could run DOS in either a window or full screen in a protected mode. There is much information about OS2 if you search and it never actually went away IBM simply stopped supporting E the public but Business users were supported and people never realised ATM's ran on OS2 and the Train Networks in America ran on OS2.

[@kbhasi]

(39:31) I believe that's because the disc you got was from a copy purchased in the UK.

[@remcovangoozen6146]

that cd-drive is AMAZING!!!!!! never knew those existed ....

[@BrucesWorldofStuff]

The big issue with OS/2 it was very hardware specific, you just could not install it on anything. When buying stuff you had to make sure that OS/2 support was mention on the label or it would not work..... :D The first time I installed it it took 5 tries with OS/2 and all the disk all 18 of them. Then it took another 3 days to get it configured to work and use the CD to play music... Lol Then came along Warp 3, boy was that fun too, less disks, same fun, but 2 days this time. Getting everything working was a snap as the new computer was built to OS/2 specification and not Dos or Windows. All was great, then I got the idea of running a Wildcat BBS. Man that was 4 months of fun with batch files and learning to write batch coding and drawing the screens and so on... You had to make everything!!!! But I had it working on 1 node and all was good for 4 months, had lots of callers, the BBS was humming along everything was good. Wildcat came out with Multi-Nodes and you guessed it! I spent the $500 bucks and bought the 10 Node version and setup a hole new USS Stargazer BBS with 5 nodes active all the time and the 6th was the sysop login area. Thant meant 5 $200 USR 28.8 modems and 6 phone lines just for the BBS. My wife thought I was nuts...Lol The nice part was I did it on the same OS/2 system with the BBS running all 5 nodes and never missed a call. Multi-tasking in OS/2 was GREAT! Much like Linux today... That was the BBS for 5 years, then came this new thing called the internet. Lots of people said that AOL would not let it take over, guess they were wrong! Well less and less callers started and the internet took over and after 7 years, the USS Stargazer BBS took her last call from me the sysop saying Good BYE! Sad times for sure.... (:-(

[@Blackadder75]

I was like 12 when BBS were a thing. but they were my first introduction to 'inter-networking' I used them to download Sierra games walkthroughs and when I was a bit older to look for pictures with naked ladies.... I remember i got a heart attack one day when a sysop opened a chat channel with me for the first time, asking what I was doing on his BBS. the PC (a 286 at the time) was talking to me!!!! that was mind blowing and I think partly responsible for me choosing computer sciences as a study at university

[@yussafmalik7712]

Reminds me how older computers felt so slow we so spoilt with processor power nowadays.

[@LightTheUnicorn]

I can't help but think your OS/2 experience would have been greatly improved with a beefier CPU, and I want to say some of the features didn't look like they installed right :P Love your random install videos, hope ‘ya had a fun Halloween!

[@bobgrimes8618]

Warp 4 was limited to 4.3 gig HDD unless you got the updated install floppies which allowed up to 8 gigs HDD.

[@inzMBL]

HPFS became NTFS and even shows up in some tools as the same id (07)

[@tibfulv]

There is some OS/2 software on Winworld. And of course OS/2 should be able to run most DOS software. It also had a claim to do a better Windows than Windows, so I'd expect at least _some_ Windows 3 software to run. Win 4 was Win95, so you'll know the era.

[@eznix]

Since you did not do any research or preparation for OS/2, this video is painful to watch, especially since I used OS/2 Warp for most of the 1990s.

[@morphshag]

What’s the trick to getting audio working in DOS? I have sound in the OS, But not DOS, and when I come back out of DOS I have no sound in the OS and have to reboot. Also,you can get Sim City and Sim City 2000 native OS/2. And I think Doom?

[@studioxxswe]

Very few OS:es at that age where able to play CD's with CDDA filesystems, Amiga iirc the only one who had drivers for it where you could just copy the tracks right of the CD.

[@gauravsrao8887]

If there are no problems, it is not a Druaga1 video.

[@adamkurtz5836]

Stardock software used to make software for OS/2. Tried the Internet archive OS/2 section?

[@WhiteGreenFox]

Did you try to play the CDs via the multimedia menu (under programs)?

[@dezmobluefire8217]

How’s about “Basic” on a clamshell apple laptop

[@DForce26]

Whoohoo!! 1 Hour of pure goodness!!

[@TheFakeVIP]

Why do I get the feeling he was running in slow mode instead of turbo mode?

[@DimitriPapadopoulos1]

I faced the exact same problem. OS/2 Warp 4.52 would not install on the CF card to IDE adapter of my IBM PC 300XL (Pentium II). Just like you, I tried everything, and after installation it would not load, no matter what. Solution: I installed OS/2 on an IDE HDD, then on my Windows 10 box I cloned the HDD to a CF card with "HDD Raw Copy Tool". Then inserted the cloned CF card to the IDE adapter at the back of the PII... and it worked!

[@cleverlyblonde]

You have issues of 1023 cylinders, type of disk set in BIOS (LBA, Large, CHS etc), and the old partition scheme used in OS/2 and DOS required at most 4 primary or 3 primary and as many logical as you like.

[@dudeawsomeness1]

He turned into a vga cable for a second there, spooky

[@UpwardOpossum9]

Yes another really good druaga1 video!

[@nigelcooper1191]

You forgot to show the WIN-OS/2 system!!!

[@jpnc2319]

OS/2 worked for me perfectly installing in a compact flash card using an ide or sata adapter.

[@CRYPTiCEXiLE]

why the partition said fat instead of HPFS ?

[@andythrasher5789]

I remember watching my step-dad try and install this chit back in the mid 1990's. It took him a month or so. I just stuck with my crappy windows and laughed at him. Lol. I'll finish the rest of your video tomorrow and see how the outcome is (stopped for now at the 29.26 mark)

[@mmgamer9276]

have you check out the 2.5 40 pin IDE SSD drive some might work for old os

[@heiwa3713]

It warped your mind ;)

[@TheRetroRaven]

I'm writing this while watching the video, so you probably figured out the issue with the non-bootable stuff, but it's related to the Compact Flash Drive. The issue doesn't exist if you use SDCard instead. Basically you can fix it by somehow setting the "bootable flag" on the compact flash drive. Phil from Phil's Computer Lab has covered this in the past.

[@TheRetroRaven]

Ok, I was too fast... Nevermind.

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

Hpfs is a headache to use, go for fat and then upgrade

[@chazbotic]

don't know if you're still having disk availability issues, but i have a box of new or lightly used EIDE disks you can have. something like 20-30 of them.

[@televisionandcheese]

The CD drive is so cool

[@unfortunatelyswagged6226]

Oh thank goodness, he’s _finally_ using CD-Rs. No more wasted dual-layer DVDs!

[@nigelcooper1191]

High performance file system = early NTFS before NTFS and Windows NT