Installing Unifi WiFi Network at Middleton House

[@wiltse0]

Man, you made me sound a lot smarter than I felt like I came across, haha. Thanks for the feature and shout out!

[@npham1198]

Matt, put the ISP gateway into bridge mode. The way you have it currently is that you're double NATing which can cause some issues like poor online game or VOIP connectivity.

[@ObsessedGarage]

I have to call today and have them do it. There is no option to turn off WiFi in the Centric Fiber app.

[@brandonfbarnes]

@@ObsessedGarage they can turn it off. It’s known as bridge-mode or bypass-mode depending on the provider. This end result should be the same. You want the ISP router to basically do nothing but convert fiber to ethernet and for the UniFi security appliance to do all your “routing” of traffic. ISP router should have wifi, DHCP and NAT disabled. Depending of the ISP company they may not be willing to turn anything off unless you have a business account with them. Every ISP has their own requirements for such things.

[@haddiejonesy]

@@brandonfbarnes Agreed, where possible, business accont way to go, drop a line and a modem, let me worry about protection and distribution, but then again, I have done this for over 30 years, had an isdn and then t1 pumped into my house at one time + 2 42 u racks top to bottom with hp storage/servers and a nutanix block. nothing like 1K a month electricity bill.

[@davidkopack7274]

Not familiar with tour ISP but if their router is not PPPoE you can likely just take the Ethernet off the ONT directly to the cloud gateway. Most ISPs won’t tell you about this… worth a try anyways.

[@brandonfbarnes]

@@davidkopack7274very likely to require / know a gateway IP address to get it to work or the MAC of the Unifi gateway needs to be “trusted” by the ISP. But always worth a try in the chance the ISP is using DHCP and a “Yolo” config.

[@dthdthdthdth]

Have had Ubiquity in my home for a decade or so. It’s been astoundingly reliable, well worth the $1,500 or so initial price. Spec’ed, installed and supported entirely by me … switch, cloud gateway, six access points. First time I ever tried such an endeavor, worked out great.

[@refaelazi5913]

Nice beginning, but I’m sure you will go to the rack mount stuff soon, they rack mount products are more OG spec - once you get more cameras and APs you will see the system needs to scale up and it’s very easy to upgrade to the more scalable stuff, they also have streaming audio amps, you may want to check them too.

[@NIAtoolkit]

As some may have pointed out, the 45W Switch Lite 16 barely has enough PoE budget to power more than two WIFI access points. The ideal replacement is the Switch Pro Max 16 PoE I would connect the Cloud Gateway Max to the SFP+ interface on the new switch via 10Gb RJ45 transceiver so all four access points can connect to the 2.5Gb interfaces If you go this route, don’t forget to add a dozen 0.3m Etherlighting patch cables to the cart

[@kgottsman]

Careful with that PoE switch. It has a very small power budget for 8 powered ports. I had to swap mine after issues and Unifi power warnings.

[@BluePlanetDrone]

One of the best things about Matt is that he doesn’t claim to be a master of everything… just most. Haha! And surrounds himself with experts in each field.

[@joshm2243]

😂😂😂😂😂 you're joking right?

[@jamesclark7971]

Matt, whenever your're ready for more Ubiquiti design stuff inlcuding cameras, door access, and rack design please feel free to let me know. I work on this stuff on a normal basis and have done dozens of installs, designs, and configurations using ubiquiti equipment. All of my family members are running Unifi equipment in their homes now. I'm Ekahau WLAN design certified, have 18 years of experience in the IT field, with 12 of that being at a corporate level. I reached out to both Chris and Bryce whenever you bought the new OGHQ and offered my services. Bryce and I talked at length about what the future holds for you the new building whenever i visted in August. I'm only an hour or so away in Lakeland and would be more than happy to come do any of this stuff inlcuding installation, i'd love being part of the process, not afraid of being on camera, and cable mangement is a passion. ~Big Headed Publix Friend James

[@andyman820]

Ditch the Hunter and get a Rachio

[@UnknownProductions0]

best thing i ever did. also works with home assistant.

[@Wav10001]

As someone who used to work in the area, I absolutely love Galaxy Home Solutions and their addition of the Leviton panel in the garage of all the new home builds. They started doing that in 2012/2013 and it’s really nice.

[@LeeVal]

You will want the Dream Machine Pro Max together with Pro Max 24 PoE switch which can link together via the 10Gbe SFP. The 1Gbe link between the Cloud Gateway Max and the Lite 16 PoE switch will saturate very quickly with all them 4K cameras, AP’s and wired devices.

[@mofotose]

Would be hard to get that switch into that cabinet though...

[@lilhomie86]

Awesome video Matt, perfect timing too!! I've been looking into upgrading my home WiFi with Unifi. Love how clean it looks and how easy it is to setup.

[@impaleds]

First time seen this chan I thnk, and wet my pants when the cable guy asked for scissors, and he went on and opened the godly Knipex sortiment thingy. Now I knew exactly why he was worried about security and wanted surveilance. TY for nice video upload, like your refreshing format.

[@dtna]

Matt, thank you for telling your story about your background and how you started OG Garage. When I was just out of college, I did high end car stereo installations. Audiomobile, Zapco, Alpine, Nakamichi, etc. .

[@DozIT]

Surprised you haven’t purchased the Dream Wall, it would have worked well here. It would eliminate the CG Max, PoE switch, and the garage AP in this setup, also looks very slick

[@Zach_Miller]

Nah, not only is it a gimmick, it's a single point of failure

[@DozIT]

@ sure, but by that logic so is the switch and the CG Max. At least the dream wall has redundant power supplies

[@golf007sd2]

As always Matt...thank you for sharing. Very clean and classy setup.

[@bryanprehoda]

That is a bad ass setup legit Matt. If u want perfect internet all the time this is exactly how u do it. I would have starlink on backup no contract needed.

[@theantner]

Ez crimp is a great tool/rj45 head. Just need to make sure the wires are in the right spot and put them through the head and then crimp. It cuts the wires even.

[@gflores7018]

Pretty sweet Looks good Looks easy Thanks

[@UnknownProductions0]

i just did a deployment for my buddys place with the cloud gateway and it like it. if you are sticking to the unifi cameras you can just add a UNVR and keep the CGM.

[@MichaelSchneiderTexas]

I have a special tool that punches down the keystones in one shot and gets all six wires cut after placing the wires loosely in place. It also save your fingers from damage with old punch down tool.

[@wiltse0]

Got a link? I should add that to my kit.

[@progression_decibel]

Would love a link to the tool as well.

[@drdyno]

@@wiltse0 Fluke JackRapid made for the Leviton keystone jacks

[@dcalli]

Hey Matt, regarding your subs being connected via WiFi, please have Ryan to establish a VLAN within yout gateway max portal. The V-LAN will be dedicated strictly for your subs to separate communication and avoid overloading your main WiFi activity. It's Free...

[@ObsessedGarage]

Nice! I'll do that.

[@NIAtoolkit]

The fiber Termination Point is already in the cabinet, it shouldn’t be too difficult relocating the ONT/modem I don’t know about your ISP but they could replace the ONT/modem with a much smaller unit that doesn’t have WIFI since there’s Ubiquiti for that

[@mitch_cave]

Funny enough, I’ve been spec’ing a new Ubiquity home network myself. My current AmpliFi HD system is getting a little long in the tooth and I’m finding the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands are getting congested. But worth noting it has been bullet proof and I’ve been very happy with it for the past decade! Currently looking at the Dream Machine SE, Pro Max 16-Port PoE Switch, and 1 or 2 U7 Pro Access Points. Looking forward to this project and overhauling my AV rack. Thanks for the video! It also looks like some Park Tools are in the future... 👀

[@aRndBelgianGuy]

The only area where I am more overkill than you! Enjoyed the video.

[@Nunya_Argo79]

I'm always surprised they don't do stuff like this in newer house builds.

[@hgraphix]

They did on mine, but they did a shitty job. Had to redo most of it on my own.

[@andyman820]

Also, got that same doorbell in PoE and it's really nice. You'll like it!

[@Sportcat-kk3dw]

I have 2 u6 in walls and 2 u6 long range ap’s and 45watts of Poe is not enough fyi. I get messages a couple times a day telling me my Poe usage is over. Finding a UniFi Poe switch that’s got enough power that isn’t a huge rack mount is a spot that they don’t really have a model for currently without running multiple switches

[@ObsessedGarage]

Yep...I just figured that out. I just got the same warning.

[@danohara2211]

Love Unifi equipment and aesthetics. Just switched over all my equipment myself, super user friendly. Learned the hard way of buying budget AP’s and switches. The Poe lite isn’t enough to run all AP’s and future cameras. With your budget Matt, buy top shelf to future proof yourself👍🏻 great video on the install though🤙🏻

[@frank7106]

Dream machine is perfect to go with your setup, you will love your wifi

[@tomgosy]

Honestly, I had higher expectations for an OG spec Unifi set up. The install is pretty clean, but spend some time on the r/Ubiquiti subreddit and get inspired. For your security needs you definitely need a UDM based rack. For OG spec I'd go UDM Pro, a Pro PoE switch, and a U-NVR. Throw in a solid rack mount UPS and get as much equipment hard wired as possible. Put the rack where your cabling is routed (right above that utility box would be perfect) to save making any unnecessary connections. I think Unified IT is based out of Florida so you could use them

[@ObsessedGarage]

This isn't my thing. I don't care that much about it for this little house.

[@tomgosy]

@@ObsessedGarage fair enough

[@SkilldPanda]

you should never cut cables til you know 100% where the switch is going to be.

[@brandonfbarnes]

I prefer to use the in-wall WAP models with a 4 port switch integrated. Great for rooms where there is A/V equipment, game consoles, computers, etc.

[@stockingstuffer696]

That first sentence was some of the biggest brain shit I've ever read on KZbin. 😂

[@Cyber-Sized]

Love their devices. I run a handful of sites.

[@maz_uwu]

Looking good, very similar to a sub-network in my garage that I just did. Don't bother with cat7 for the cameras, just run solid core cat6 and be done with it. You can do 10G over cat6 at reasonable lengths and your security cameras won't need that anyways (a NAS/media server or something would be pretty much the only thing that could saturate that).

[@Patrick-co1qm]

How come you didn't go with a ceiling mount access point other than you already had the cable on the wall. wWould you have liked the ceiling ones too?

[@aguywiththreefirstnames1850]

flip your switch and gateway... dont want dust and dirt "falling" into the open ports and creating headaches down the road as your trying to add new service lines

[@bertraminc9412]

I like Ubiquity. Are you going with all their cameras? Server? I will do this too.

[@ObsessedGarage]

Yep, that's the plan.

[@bertraminc9412]

@ Only reason I havent is no customer support to ask questions.

[@bertraminc9412]

@ I love the Ubiquity stuff! Ive had their Alien Mesh router for a while but Id like to step up to a better mesh. Im going to dump Nest/Google. When Google took over they destroyed that great Nest company. I hope Ubiquity survives this kind if incompetent greedy takeover plan. Im putting their blades rolling rack in a back room off my master. They do need to improve their doorbell camera form factor. Too big right now but Ill fo it anyway to dump Nest/Google cameras.

[@souk4507]

Ubiquiti even sells the color coded cover for their APs.

[@kenbode8806]

Matt you should look into the UniFi wall

[@p4ult1]

🕵 I saw a load of Park Tools. Are you going to have a Park Tool set up/collection too?

[@ObsessedGarage]

Yep

[@ab185]

Our house is decked out with a ton of Unifi stuff (including 10x security cameras). Turn autoupdates *OFF*

[@datboi8140]

do you regret sticking with the unifi ecosystem? i looked into switching, the main reason being a single pane of glass for management, but the products really are sub-par outside of enterprise deployment

[@reyarthur2792]

Im thinking about doing so in the future. Mostly because my router right now just game me a message on the app to agree to the new TOS or they was keeping my wifi hostage.

[@ab185]

@@datboi8140 it's the best all-around solution if you're looking for home network + security cameras. The biggest issue I have is updates breaking existing functionality, but I can deal with that.

[@yayinternets]

Unifi is awesome. It's not perfect but nothing is. I think they have been doing it long enough now that someone who can figure tech out at a surface level can get it running. A lot of their stuff used to basically work for one use case, and if you needed something outside of the basics you would need to do all kinds of pain in the butt stuff like manually editing config files on a command line. However you can finally do pretty much everything from their admin UI. And if you can't figure it out between the internet, support, etc, you can find someone local to help you out as it's pretty common gear these days.

[@drdyno]

Matt, I would be interested to see if you start to have the TX retry issues that are showing up with the U7 products. I just moved into a new house and upgraded my existing Unifi equipment to U7 Pro's and I had tons of issues with devices dropping out due to the transmit issues. My existing U6 Pro in my garage hasn't had this issue, just my U7's. As others have stated make sure you have your channels set correctly then be prepared to set minimum RSSI on each AP. If you have any questions or need assistance let me know, I will shoot you a follow up text message so you have my contact info.

[@tech-trials-and-tribulations]

I'm a Unifi user of probably around 8 yrs or so, they are still the best but Alta labs AP's are also quite good, I have a few of those now, the advantage (or disadvantage) is that the Alta are managed from a cloud based UI. Some prefer the self hosted rather than cloud based. Swings and Roundabouts really but both good. Nice setup though!

[@progression_decibel]

Another disadvantage is the Alta Labs AP's don't come with integrated switch ports like some of the UniFi wall units do. Kind of a nice-to-have for certain rooms. But the AL stuff is really nice indeed.

[@nismoweissach9626]

I’ve sold a TON of this gear. That 16lite get rid of as soon as you can. The Pro Max works much better if you want to keep form factor small.

[@ObsessedGarage]

Yeah...I think that's the move for me.

[@moe85moe85]

@29:14 looks like you are double NAT and need to put the ISP router into bridge mode.

[@theMikeB53]

Matt you need a rack my man. Good dip into UniFi but this is only the tip of the iceberg.

[@patrickquinn1330]

You should try Alta labs. I’ve used both and like the Alta labs a lot more than the Ubiquiti.

[@Vijaythalapathy28]

What’s the difference between them two please

[@keithredsox36]

What kind of doorbell cam ? What kind of cameras in the future

[@ObsessedGarage]

It's the Unifi doorbell cam. I'm using their cameras too.

[@ratspeedgarage]

When you get the cameras get the Dream Machine Pro. That will run the network and cameras easy.

[@Gawain7826]

Interesting, I mean Matt always goes overboard (it's his brand basically). But I just installed my first Unifi system for my church yesterday and love it. Cloud Gateway Max is great, I'm just running U6+ AP's. Nobody really has WiFi7 Clients yet. Haha I love the 568B question, EVERYONE uses B NOBODY seems to know why. Unifi is what we should all be using if you're doing much more than just having wifi for your computer to hook up to. It's doing what Cisco has been doing for enterprises for a long time but doing it smarter.

[@emilepmartin]

Why not do power over ethernet for doorbell to avoid any wifi snafus?

[@ObsessedGarage]

There is no ethernet cable there.

[@brandonfbarnes]

That would probably require the help of Mike. The wire running to the doorbell currently may very well be Cat5 cable but its not running anywhere useful (most likely into the attic into a transfer unit or to the bell itself). Mike could use it as a pull string to pull a net-new Cat rated cable from the front door and into the low-voltage cabinet but certainly easier to see how well wifi works first.

[@craiglange4852]

My experience is the door bell cable is stapled to the house framing. You can't use it to pull new cable.

[@UnknownProductions0]

how many square feet is the house? you may have more AP's than you truly need. too many will tend to make the environment noisy and actually hurt performance.

[@ObsessedGarage]

3100

[@UnknownProductions0]

@@ObsessedGarage the U7 pro's supposedly have issues with 2.4g so keep an eye on that, and if you notice all your devices are not connecting to certain AP's you may have a few too many, you can always turn the power down on them as well if necessary. having the one outside i think youll be fine though with 3100 square feet. i have a u7 pro and have noticed issues connecting older 2.4g devices. i have a spare AC PRO in my deployment that i have a separate hidden network just to connect legacy devices to for that situation.

[@refaelazi5913]

Also the doorbell is not 4k but it is dual camera

[@WRX09MD]

They certainly didn’t leave any length on the cables in the box

[@ObsessedGarage]

I wired all of that.

[@BluePlanetDrone]

Unfortunately the HomeKit system maxes resolution at 1080P. So I don’t blame you for getting a different camera system. Hopefully  updates that at some point. These home tech videos are some of my favs.

[@DozIT]

I’m pretty sure you can get UniFi protect in Home with Home Assistant which would give you the best of both worlds (2K recording + homekit monitoring)

[@BluePlanetDrone]

Idk what home assistant is. But iCloud secure video is limited to 1080P currently

[@DozIT]

@@BluePlanetDrone home assistant crossed the line into nerd/enthusiast territory, I’ve never used it but know of it as an option. It’s a Linux based OS you run on your network (either virtualized or on a raspberry pi) that is highly configurable and lets you bring almost anything into HomeKit. From what I hear it’s very easy to setup, but would need some knowledge of networking, ability to read and follow documentation, and experience installing an OS to get it running. Home assistant also sells devices (pretty sure they are just pre-configured raspberry pi’s) that you just have to plug into your network and configure from another computer.

[@DozIT]

@@BluePlanetDrone specifically in the case of this doorbell cam you’d enable RTSP stream at 1080p in the unifi console, then use home assistant to add that stream as a camera in Home.

[@Zach_Miller]

@@DozIT You can set up a Scrypted or HomeBridge server to acheive this. I love it, doorbell presses show up on my apple TV while watching

[@micturatedupon]

A+ Ziptie usage.

[@Wombology101]

PLEASE Tell me what sectional you have

[@ObsessedGarage]

It's a custom made one from Fulkners in North Carolina.

[@Death2Rum]

what did all your equipment cost Matt?

[@ObsessedGarage]

$2023.67 was my total

[@hughmann1908]

How big is your house? 4 AP’s would be overkill for most homes, and can have negative effects.

[@ObsessedGarage]

Yeah, it's probably too much. 3100 sq ft.

[@sp33der617]

You turn down the power. I have 1/2 the sq ft and have more AP's than this. It's not rocket science, just do some site surveys.

[@timkinley1779]

Rytec doors, APG Bronco and now this? Those bots aren't lying.

[@brandonfbarnes]

Also if you find that you have issues with services like video conference calls, have your unifi guy come back out and address your double NAT issue. Also please be careful when showing the interface to things like your router (Unifi). You will expose things like your WAN IP address (the IP address your internet provider assigns you) and then you welcome the trolls to start doing stupid shit. Your video only happened to show a private (192.160.x.x) IP address because your Unifi Security Appliance is being NAT'ed behind your ISPs router (not ideal) but it did hide your WAN IP address this time.

[@Rephrased]

4 Aps for how many sqft ? Be careful of interference..... You should also if you didn't, make sure the channels are set correctly in unifi OS. 2.4ghz is going to be fighting given its range on all of those APs.

[@murderbymusic12]

Just run cat 6. Cat 7 is not a ratified standard only cat 6, cat6a and cat 8 are. And you have no need for 6a or 8.

[@Riverguide33]

👍

[@gdavidp]

Jeezus, $4000 USD of Knipix tools.

[@genechoquette8999]

Seen way too many DOA with ubiquiti equipment. Meraki costs more but is far superior.

[@Zach_Miller]

Meraki is good, but the cost benefit is just not there. The logical next steps up from ubiquiti would be Ruckus, then Aruba

[@genechoquette8999]

@ ruckus doesn’t make a firewall and is going to be sold eventually so who knows what happens to them. Aruba is an option but the future of them with the Juniper / Mist purchase is an unknown. But for a channel that is about obsession and typically very high end I kind of feel like Meraki falls in that category.

[@Zach_Miller]

@@genechoquette8999 So Meraki is immune to being sold off? Single pane of glass management isn't the deciding factor for a robust setup, it's okay to mix vendors you know

[@JonMichaelDeBona]

Meraki not only costs more, but you have to maintain the licenses. In some ways Meraki might be superior and definitely has more 3rd party integration options appealing mostly to businesses, but Ubiquiti has virtually no licensing requirements which is why it is more popular for the pro-sumer market.

[@craigflatley7370]

🇨🇦👍

[@rpkett]

Biggest tool in all of KZbin

[@ObsessedGarage]

No

[@rix911]

Mid-grade. Not up to your obsessed Wi-Fi standards.

[@ObsessedGarage]

So I get yelled at for only doing "the best." That makes me elitest and materialistic. Then I get something more basic, and I'm not doing good enough. It's a rough existence out here. Ha, ha...

[@davidkopack7274]

I’d say Unifi meets the obsessed standard. It might not be the most “enterprise” but it’s hands down the best option available today for residential. My only comment would be, good luck with the U7… firmware is still a work in progress and U6 is bulletproof stable at the moment.

[@rix911]

@@ObsessedGarage I'm more obsessed about WiFi than you are I guess.

[@nickpau3756]

Where is Mike?

[@ObsessedGarage]

At home, it is Sunday.

[@-Silly-Willy-0]

The material life.

[@ObsessedGarage]

I'm not sure what that mean. If you intend it as in insult, you might not be getting the intended result.

[@frank7106]

Its 568A and 568B its the color code the way it goes into the jack.568B is the international standard

[@frank7106]

Also the jack termination is way better than the RJ45 and the Jack holds it at 110ft lbs and the RJ45 will eventually let go

[@LeadfootFabrication]

Access networks is WAY better.

[@LeadfootFabrication]

This guy you have doing your network is terrible

[@ObsessedGarage]

Nonsense

[@yayinternets]

If you were actually paying attention instead of trying to find a way to get offended, Ryan literally said it's not something he does all day in the video. Most of the people who are experts in building out cabinets and dealing with wiring you aren't going to find unless you are doing commercial work. He's a friend of Matts just helping him out getting something going vs designing the ultimate final solution. I'm a Software Engineer currently working at a company who builds out fiber internet infrastructure. Other big companies resell our networks for home and commercial internet service. He's doing great and far above having Geek Squad come out.

[@wiltse0]

@@yayinternets Thanks man, I was feeling very self conscious during this whole process, and if I'm totally honest I did miss a couple things that I would have done slightly differently if I had to do it again, but luckily they're all things I can fix without any actual cost/loss associated, just some buttoning up.

[@Wav10001]

You did a good job Ryan. I’ve been in boxes that looked like dog 💩. Your cable management was nice and tidy. One thing I’ll mention is that if you do this A LOT then get the Vertical Cable keystone crimper and the respective Vertical Cable keystone jacks. Punch down the whole keystone with one crimp.