Insulating My Pole Building

[@rksmith5273]

Love the attitude. Making light of what is an enormous job. Cool. Your method definitely takes a lot of patience. I have watched at least 50 different techniques only to determine how I will do mine as soon as my building is finished. The first task is insulation. Then dust collection, then I will bring my machines in to complete the workshop.

[@MrIndyjoe]

Nice job. I am curious about whether to hang drywall vs plywood after I insulate. I like the idea of drywall as fireproofing is better but I guess many use plywood due to it's rigid nature to protect the walls, etc. Would like to hear ideas on that. Thanks!

[@pbmachines972]

Eventually I’m doing plywood cost is the main reason it’s not all ready done thanks for watching ✌️

[@randycecil7375]

Looks great! I'll be doing exactly like you. Probably should've done when my shop was empty, but I needed to move in it asap. Couldn't wait.... oh well. Glad you posted video. Good job dude

[@slipshaft]

Man, that scaffolding. Labor intensive but works well enough. I bought a beat up used Sky Jack and what a difference that makes in a job like this. I was lucky...less than $3500 and it works great.

[@itsme3928]

I just got done insulating my pole barn using the 2 inch rigid insulation one thing you may want to try score the installation for the cut but then use a single hacksaw blade to cut through also I tape my joints but probably a waste of my money because now I'm covering the insulation with 4 by 8 sheets of wood

[@pbmachines972]

Brian Ochs cool I’m going to do plywood to but man so spensive thanks 👍🏻

[@itsme3928]

@@pbmachines972 Instead of plywood I used 7/16 4x8 OSB sheathing under $10 per sheet that's cheaper than drywall. I also used the same 2" insulation I used 4" deck screws to fasten the OSB it to the horizontal 2x4 you may get by with 3 1/2 " screws, like you I did it the hard way before I insulate I covered interior walls with 7/16 OSB years before deciding to insulate the pole building

[@pbmachines972]

Brian Ochs osb is definitely cheaper I don’t think I could stand looking at it I’m probably crazy

[@itsme3928]

@@pbmachines972 that's what paint is for 😊

[@jwclardy1111]

My understanding is that the reflective side should be facing to the outside of the building, serves no purpose facing inside. Is that correct?

[@pbmachines972]

Jw Clardy no both sides are the same

[@invisiblyclean]

I'm looking at insulating my pole building. I have seen it done both ways and can't find a reason behind either. Why go on top of the 2x4's instead of between? Is there a pro to having that air pocket? FYI mine is wood siding, not metal.

[@michaelbloodworth2401]

you have much more patience than I do, I would have grabbed a razor knife or skill saw; however it looks great. I have a 46x30 that I need to insulate, debating between what you have done and spray foam.

[@pbmachines972]

If your shop is empty and your ok with it stuck everywhere forever spray foam is the best

[@zachgoestoeuro]

1. What are the plans for the ceiling? 2. Does one have to put drywall/OSB over the insulation to get the best result - or can I simply put the insulation sheets up and leave it as you’ve shown in this video?

[@pbmachines972]

The roof has insulation under the metal I did everything before things went sideways that R max was $30 ea. now it’s $60 ea. I’m done spending money for a while ✌️

[@zachgoestoeuro]

@@pbmachines972 do I have to put drywall up or can I get good results with just the insulation?

[@pbmachines972]

@@zachgoestoeuro just insulation is fine

[@slipshaft]

My dad used to have a Bridgeport like that in his pattern and model shop.

[@kevinhare7136]

So I'm starting my insulation with foam board in between the 2x4s, and sliding them behind posts. Alot more work than just laying it over them. Am I wasting time and effort? Or is it better than this?

[@pbmachines972]

It’s hard to say doesn’t get too cold around here so I did the easiest

[@tiger200910]

It looks nice and you did a great job. What is the measurement of each insulation panel? Thanks

[@pbmachines972]

tiger200910 thanks they are 4x8

[@ShopTherapy623]

I'm just about to insulate my pole barn, and have been debating whether to insulate between the girts/purlins, or just leave that air gap behind it, like you did. Are you having any problems with how you did it?

[@pbmachines972]

No haven’t seen any moisture ✌️

[@ShopTherapy623]

@@pbmachines972 Thank you for the response! Did you do the same for the ceiling (leaving the air gap)? I keep reading conflicting information. It's definitely much easier NOT trying to insulate between the purlins and girts.

[@pbmachines972]

@@ShopTherapy623 1/4 funky roll foil on on side type insulation went on before roof metal snow takes a long time to melt so I think it’s working I’m in South Jersey doesn’t get that cold here just snowed for the first time in 720 days

[@danlanham8883]

This is the same information i've been looking for. Everyone seems to do it differently.

[@leetebbutt406]

Older video but thanks for posting. Understand building as you can. Spent my wad getting mine built last fall. Had to move in immediately. Cold all winter saving for the next phase. I'm about to do the same thing. Got a deal (I know, hard to do in this covid era of 35.00 osb) on some 2" rigid foam board. Will be more than adequate for me to heat a workshop. I'm not planning on cooling it or living in it. LOL Also going to use it as my ceiling. Directly against the bottom joist members. My question is about the foil side. My panels only have foil on one side. Logic tells me to point it in to retain heat better when heating. However when trying to stop the condensation on the inside of the roof I'm wondering if pointed outward would be better. Any thoughts from folks?

[@pbmachines972]

I would do foil facing in no doubt ✌️

[@suavilica]

I forgot to ask you about your scaffold. Is that a home made with your ladders? Or did you buy those pieces attaches to your ladders and where you stand? What is that? Thanks again!

[@pbmachines972]

suavilica there called ladder jacks witch are adjustable to accept a painters plank or “pick” mine is twenty feet

[@markiemularky924]

GOOD JOB!!!! Hey....most of us sometimes just gotta improvise...(Clint Eastwood's voice)

[@walterdavis4808]

It's better doing stuff out of order, it leaves more flexibility in the build ! Lol. Can you plane a cylinder head for a ford 300 6 ?

[@stevie..d..pontiactransamm1215]

Nice shop my man. I would love to get a BRIDGEPORT AND SMALL LATHE. My goal is to get a Van Norman's cylinder boring bore machine,aline hone equipment, valve seat grinder. And do my own machine work. Keep up all the GREAT WORK MY MAN.

[@pbmachines972]

Thanks dude yeah I have a bit of a tool habit

[@stevie..d..pontiactransamm1215]

Your welcome, nothing wrong with that my man.

[@Powerstroke7911]

Where do you get plastic washers like that? Getting ready to insulate my building with foam board also.....

[@pbmachines972]

Kraig Long I think e bay or maybe amazon I forget it was one of those ✌️

[@hv1461]

Another youtuber insulated is pole building, but he framed in a wall and stapled in rolled R19 insulation, paper side toward the inside. Well obviously it's a lot more work to frame in a wall, but the R value is increased. Question : Why did you decide to use rigid foam rather than frame a wall and use rolled insuation for example. Thanks.

[@pbmachines972]

H V the code here is drywall is required if you were to go with that type R max is fire resistant foil both sides✌️

[@ronhochstetler5648]

I havebeen using a skill saw with a metal cutting blade .very quick and clean with minimal mess

[@makojuicedaniel9307]

Is that Rmax display on both sides?

[@pbmachines972]

One side

[@phillipvansickle4220]

What do you plan to do for the ceiling?

[@pbmachines972]

Phillip VanSickle good question it’s supposed to get metal but it’s gonna have to wait

[@westernefficientenergy902]

Nice job. Where did you get the washers?

[@pbmachines972]

Western Efficient Energy oh it was eBay or Amazon I can’t remember I had to buy a huge box I have more than half left you need em?

[@westernefficientenergy902]

@@pbmachines972 Thank you. Not at the moment but we have may need them for future jobs.

[@Al-tl2ov]

I see you replied you bought the washers either from Amazon or E-Bay, my question is what are they called? Thanks for sharing.

[@pbmachines972]

Oh I don’t know search board insulation washers

[@Al-tl2ov]

@@pbmachines972 Thanks.

[@originalmusician1098]

They're called Prong Washers.

[@blakebiltwell5]

Keep it up! That would be my pace. A couple of hours each day

[@marcnelson2645]

Hows it work?. Staying cool?

[@pbmachines972]

Marc Nelson man it’s like a cooler and much dryer👍🏻

[@marcnelson2645]

Are you installing a/c ? Im looking to do about the same. Thanks for replying.

[@pbmachines972]

Marc Nelson I wish the main reason I insulated was to keep my machines from sweating because of rapid temperature swings it worked perfect

[@levirogerson7458]

Any problem with mice behind the foam board since it’s not flush with 2x4s ?

[@pbmachines972]

No mice

[@im58woody]

You can also use a electric knife that you would normally use to carve your Thanksgiving turkey to cut the foam board with little fuss or mess.

[@nyannyan123456]

I like your work table. My employer had some obsolete Die shoes that they raffled off to us Tool Makers. I didn't win but some of my coworker got themselves some heavy duty tables.

[@Jeff-yu9vf]

Hey man your insulation video popped up when I was looking for ideas and I spotted two things in your shop totally unrelated that caught my curiosity, Your Bridgeport and your lathe, from what I can remember they are damn near identical to the machines my late grandfather used in his machine shop. He was a machinist in south Jersey was still working into his late eighties and was still using them and loved those machines. What’s the chances your from or bought them from the south Jersey area??

[@pbmachines972]

I’m in S Jersey the lathe came from a high school and the mill I bought from a used machinery supplier ✌️

[@chuckw302]

Awesome video.🤙🏽

[@bkbrown5881]

FYI a circular saw with the blade installed backwards works good for cutting these also.

[@pbmachines972]

bkbrown5881 cool I tried that first one cut made a pile of dust

[@bkbrown5881]

PB Machines bummer. Works great for the Owens Corning formular boards

[@pbmachines972]

bkbrown5881 if my shop was empty would have been a big time saver ✌️

[@scome98]

Thanks for posting. How cold does it get where you are in the winter? Have you had any issues with condensation in between the sheets? I'm thinking about doing the same thing as my barn "sweats" quite a bit in the winter and my tools suffer. Did you take condensation into account? Thank you!

[@pbmachines972]

Mostly 20’s at night I kept the heat set at 55 no problems with condensation and my machines aren’t sweating

[@kipcarroll486]

About what ended up being your cost per sq ft of wall and ceiling ? I like the Rmax. Its a polyisocyanurate foam. Very good R rating. I think its 5 or more per inch. Regular Styrofoam is 3, I believe.

[@pbmachines972]

Well I didn’t have time to shop around Home Depot had all of it in stock so it was like $32 per sheet R value of 13.1 it’s finished now and we’ll worth it

[@chownzi2461]

What are you doing for the ceiling

[@pbmachines972]

Good question saving up for metal then maybe blown insulation

[@Doyle-Nutbush]

What are you doing with the ceiling in insulation ??

[@pbmachines972]

Saving for metal ceiling insulation is on the backside of roof metal

[@walterdavis4808]

Do you need scaffolding for the ceiling? I can bring you some

[@pbmachines972]

Walter Davis maybe the ceiling is going to wait a while thank you your awesome 👊✌️

[@suavilica]

Would you still recommend using this product after the project? Batts insulation would be 20 cents cheaper for R21. Less R value and costs more....Please advice as I am trying to decide what to use on my 48X30 pole barn. Thank you so much!!!

[@pbmachines972]

suavilica yes I absolutely use R max easy to install easy to remove if I need to plus bat insulation is way flammable

[@suavilica]

@@pbmachines972 Awesome! Thank you for a quick response!!! Apricated it!

[@acreageliving]

@@pbmachines972 foam insulation is extremely flammable, in homes its required to cover with drywall because of its flammability (yes rigid foamboard) . lol Batt insulation is not required to cover by code

[@waynejones8844]

Without a vapor barrier that condensation occurring on your steel siding is happening between your metal and foam. Did you investigate how to, before you did??

[@pbmachines972]

So since the foam is an 1 1/2 away from the metal and air from each end of the corrugated sheet I know there is air cause before insulating sun light at the bottom and top would indicate that was my thoughts anyhow tell me what you think

[@antknee1072]

Awesome job man. Is that what they call POLYISOCYANURATE foam board?

[@pbmachines972]

Not sure but is woks✌️

[@stever3953]

You did a great job. Just curious did you consider glueing the insulation up?

[@pbmachines972]

Hey thanks no glue is forever if I need to remove a panel or two which I do for out side lights it’s no problem removing a few screws

[@MrTBDude]

Any updates on this? I am getting ready to under take the same project in my shop. What are you using as a heat source.

[@pbmachines972]

Nothing new my heat source is going to be a gas fired hanging unit like a modine

[@johnnymensi1865]

Wonder could you paint it

[@pbmachines972]

You can color match the liner any color

[@grasscutter88]

Is that all your going to do for insulation? Or are you putting a different type in addition to that?

[@pbmachines972]

Yeah R13 is plenty it not a home it a shop

[@grasscutter88]

@@pbmachines972 The guy who installed my hvac system said 19 on the walls and atleast 25 on the ceiling. I'm on the gulf coast. Have you installed enough panels to see how much noise it blocks going to the outside? I'm trying to get a good R value and keep the sound inside so the neighbors don't complain.

[@grasscutter88]

The nice thing about these foam boards is they're nice and light, so I can just install them myself.

[@grasscutter88]

@@pbmachines972 What is that supposed to mean? I'm not going to cheap out on insulating my shop, then find out it doesn't cool properly.

[@grasscutter88]

I want to have the ability to keep it at 70 degrees inside when it's 100 outside.

[@_DixonCider]

You can use a circular saw, table saw or even a bread knife to cut that foam. Way faster.

[@pbmachines972]

Yeah I got it up

[@t1259sw]

You can look at his machines and tell what kind of guy he is and tge type of work he does. Looks great.

[@markiemularky924]

Now way better than the OLD SCHOOL STYLE 👊👍 older equipment never breaks down ofter than the new shiii!!

[@jagboy69]

BIG JOB! How was the price compared to getting foam blown on? 2" Rmax is not cheap when you are getting screwed at the depot. Lowes and a military discount would have saved you some bucks.

[@pbmachines972]

worldtraveler blown would have been the way to go even though it’s more money can’t do it in a full shop

[@jagboy69]

@@pbmachines972 yeah there is that problem.🍹

[@kyledossey1892]

Hell yeah PB👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@pbmachines972]

👊✌️

[@walterbrob]

A good sharp non serated kitchen knife works well

[@MrFz1rider]

Use a bread knife to cut it and clamp down the ruler so it won't move

[@rocktruckrob]

hey hey buddy been a long minute...work got in the way of youtube...lol....sometimes bass ackward is the way to go..righty lefty tighty loosey...roflmao...great video bud keep up the great work...under and in

[@pbmachines972]

Hey Rocktruck good hearing from ya bud✌️

[@kenactofkindness4017]

search that type insulation colder it gets lower r value

[@ChevyMustang1]

Looks great dude and yeah I know what ya mean when your on a budget sometimes you have to do things ass backwards and the hard way

[@pbmachines972]

Yep backwards is awesome 🤣👍🏻✌️

[@scotschoor]

Watching this video to figure out how to insulate my full shop. 😁

[@JusTryNc]

Same here

[@weldmachine]

You mention at the start of the video. That you feel you are doing things backwards. It,s not so important which order they get done. Only that it gets done. The good thing about an insulated shop is. It,s nice and quiet from outside. You will not believe how good it is. When you finish, you will be amazed, i am sure.

[@pbmachines972]

Now I just have to find time in between work and projects

[@weldmachine]

@@pbmachines972 I know what you mean, lol. Busy is good. But sometimes, there is just to much to do.

[@Sherlock_MacGyver]

Now all I need is like 10 grand

[@pbmachines972]

Yeah nothing’s cheap